in the fight against this russia, as the practice of russia shows, even such parents, in principle, then convinces that it is better to shut up and be silent, moreover , he is. then she contacted him and he said, "don't call me anymore, i'm scared, there's something like that, friends. well, that's all. you see how scary it is, but you see it's not scary for us, and we'll actually have news in the future, so iryna koval is already ready to talk about the most important events that happened in the state for now iryna, please two words good, good day, thank you, colleagues, i congratulate you, i congratulate the viewers of the espresso tv channel, in a moment i will tell you about all the events that are happening at this hour of the 15th in ukraine . of objects are

dead and wounded among the aquatic population , the police of the region reported that the occupiers fired from tanks, small arms, heavy artillery, mortars, rockets, rockets, salvo fire systems, a hurricane, hail and a tornado damaged 14 residential buildings houses, power lines, transformer substations, woodlands and garages, the police noted that criminal proceedings are being investigated based on all the facts, and the situation in kharkiv oblast remains difficult. an industrial building in the kharkiv district of kyiv was also attacked by the civilians of malinivka and pechenegs of chkalovsk. however, we must make maximum

efforts to this end on each of our fronts. i urge the local population to heed the signals of anti-aircraft alarm and missile danger, it is very important to be in shelters if possible during such signals, in addition, during the curfew, it is necessary to strictly observe light-masking measures and ukrainian defenders are conducting a counteroffensive in the kherson region. the local city council reports that the armed forces of ukraine are advancing in the directions of the village of kiselyovka, soldatske, and oleksandrivka, completely under the village of tauriyske in kherson is under the control of ukraine, there has been no ukrainian mobile phone connection and the internet for a week, the mayor of the city ihor kolykhaev said, according to him, some companies are working, but they are already connected to the crimean internet, which

blocks ukrainian websites and social networks, most people are left without means of communication closed cafes and summer playgrounds thousands of people lost their jobs on the streets a lot of enemy equipment people feel in constant danger every day on the streets they hear explosions in the city has a lot of russian-made products, but people complain about the low quality, sum up the results of joint work, what is needed to restore ukraine's progress on the european path, with this goal, the president of the european commission, ursula von der leyen, arrived in kyiv, in the capital of ukraine, she will meet with president volodymyr zelenskyi. this is the second time the visit of the president of the european commission since the beginning of russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine during previous visits on april 8, ursula von der leyen handed over the ukrainian of the state, filling out a questionnaire, which is a necessary step for granting ukraine the status of a candidate for

eu membership, did not want to hear us president joe biden said that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi did not react to the warning that russia would invade ukraine as reported by the bloomberg agency, the head of the white house made such a statement during fundraiser in los angeles he also admitted that the threat of a full-scale invasion may have seemed far-fetched and i know a lot of people thought that was probably an exaggeration but i knew and we had data to confirm that he was going to cross the border, there was no doubt and zelenskyi did not want to hear this, and many people also commented on the statement of the president of ukraine, joe

biden . analytics based on high-quality intelligence , the president also responded carefully to all the words and warnings of our partners, without a doubt the scope of the invasion that we saw on february 24 was shocking many countries, including our partners, that is, i will repeat once again ukraine understood the intentions of the russians, they were waiting for this or that aggressive scenario, they were preparing for it mykhailo podolyak, advisor to the head of the president's office, the german irise anti-aircraft system will help cover kyiv in the fall, and in 3-4 years it will secure other cities and important areas objects of ukraine from missile strikes this was reported by the ambassador to germany andriy melnyk, according to whom the production of the system for ukraine will be completed at the end of the summer, then the training will take place in october - the arist will arrive. melnyk added that this the air defense system can be compared to the american

patriots, this is a weapon of the newest type, a home match in poland today. the national football team of ukraine will play its second match in this year's league of nations draw. the blue-yellow team will meet the national team of armenia due to the war . and our correspondent maria chernyakhivska maria glad to see you congratulations and we are waiting for details how the lot is preparing to cheer for ukraine iryna greetings greetings to all viewers espresso we are already there near the stadium in the city of łódź - it is 130 km from the capital of poland, warsaw, in fact , there are a lot of ukrainian fans who have figured out all the ukrainian symbols

. there are ukrainians in different cities who even came from other countries, in particular, we talked with a whole group of people who came here from germany to cheer for the ukrainians today, everyone convinced me that it would be very loud because now it is important for all ukrainians that the whole world hears us, that we are always in the front columns, all ukrainians of course hope today for the victory of our national team, it is the favorite in this group and is actually preparing to cheer very loudly, as i have already told you, and everyone says that every victory now it is important because it brings us closer to our main victory for which we are all waiting and you say you will cheer today of course i will host the press and we will also cheer for the national team of ukraine and i think the atmosphere will be great because already now

it feels like it is. thank you, maria, we are definitely waiting for news about our victory and i want to remind maria chernyakhivska from the polish city of lodz, where today the ukrainian national football team will play its home match in the league of nations. migrant day in kyiv, volunteers organize a small holiday every week for those who had to flee from the russian occupation valery pashko will continue the topic of this man's name is ivan, together with his pregnant wife he managed to leave kherson temporarily occupied by russia only in may there were no humanitarian corridors at their own risk, they escaped by private car, but not with their own, a local man took people to the controlled part of ukraine for a lot of money ivan talks about the situation in kherson, there are no jobs, closed enterprises, products are brought from the crimea and sold in three expensive products, space деньги nu deneng is worth it

купить их не что что какие ходи near the station and gave out this stuff in the city, it's normal in the region, they say terrible people there, ivan is one of almost half a thousand people who took advantage as a volunteer initiative, the day of the displaced person here helps the refugees temporarily living in kyiv with hygiene products, clothes, household chemicals and children's things, the latter came in handy yulia, women, two small daughters, their family left occupied donetsk before the war, even before the fourth of february, shelling intensified there, and men were forcibly mobilized, we hoped that there will still be something good, but this good thing never happened and we constantly moved here and there and here and there and the situation there is very difficult yes, they left there every day, well, on the beach and on the pier, there was shelling and it was very serious, so they were on the edge of the city. now they have already moved to the center for the day of the migrant who is brought

every friday. you can have a good meal, for example. chef at the same time other foreign cooks also want to become volunteers when they came here as a chef and decided to do something at least, they started making dinners for the armed forces of ukraine for the defense of our servicemen figures of 1250 troubles per day, and when it has already subsided around kyiv, thank god for the military tension to start the day of the displaced person to continue helping, if not the military, then people who were forced to move, refugees can also get medicine here that does not require a prescription , a qualified doctor conducts for them , he works as a volunteer for consultations and a lawyer, a lawyer , helps immigrants to understand the legal nuances, most of the people are worried about the social benefits that we currently have from the state from international organizations that provide assistance in

ukraine, this is the largest. they are interested in how to find a job, how to register at the employment center, information about the day of the displaced person, the address and time can be found on social networks, you must register such a full-fledged initiative that i would like to scale, of course, to the whole of ukraine, but for now i am making an appeal to support our our initiative of the day of displaced persons to help displaced persons according to statistics only according to statistics only in kyiv there are now 250,000 so-called temporarily displaced persons all over ukraine and they are already counted in the millions valery pashko andriy-verstyuk tv channel espresso and for now, this was all the news for this time, the updated issue wait at 17:00 and my colleagues andriy saichuk and vasyl zima continue this broadcast . watch espresso news and

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shown the enemy and the whole world that they know how to fight and win. and we are getting stronger every day . the date that changed the world and now what interests us most is our victory, when we will defeat the enemy , so predict the course of the war, the saturday political club program returns to the espresso airwaves to help understand the events and predict the consequences that saturday vitaly portnikov and maria gurska will discuss the most relevant to draw appropriate conclusions to know how what is happening today will affect our tomorrow

see subotnik that saturdays are not espresso mariupol until recently an industrial center but just a wonderful city on the seashore and now the city is a martyr, a city for which the heart of every ukrainian aches, the russians wanted to capture mariupol 8 years ago they destroyed the city, shelled peaceful quarters, but all in vain, but how did mariupol survive in 2014-2015, a documentary by artem shevchenko, mariupol , the city of the unconquered, june 13 at 22:30 on espresso, let's get back to the conversation, the espresso information marathon continues vasyl zima and andriy saichuk continue to work and will work with you until 17:00, now we will talk about the economy

let's add to the conversation oleksiy kushka, economist , financial analyst, oleksiy. we welcome you. we are glad to see you. i will ask a more general question. budget, where we currently have the biggest problems and, again, what our greatest hope is to economically withstand this war of attrition, which the russian federation has obviously already unleashed, please state of the ukrainian economy, it is quite difficult that it is huge. well, of course, by events, but in principle, business is gradually adapting to that . will be approximately 30-40%. but these

are very rare numbers. now we are also observing. among such toxic effects of the war on the economy is the expansion of the budget deficit. well, for example, if we take may, the total spending the budget amounted to about uah 150 billion. of these, military payments amounted to about uah 120 billion, and taxes provided only uah 80 billion, and from these types. that is, we see that there is a huge budget deficit for fish of approximately uah 140-150 billion. that is, we are equivalent - it is up to billions dollars monthly deficit, i.e. every month we have a budget deficit. it is minus e5 billion and dollars that are covered by external financial aid and external loans, well, that is, by the e-e donor aid of our western partners well, in principle, this is the initial shock of

the economy that i was talking about, that is, the economy is gradually beginning to weaken, because such enterprises that are able to resume work now , in principle, are trying to do so. we see an acceleration evacuation procedures and the transportation of enterprises to safer places, that is, the revolution program, which is now being launched at the state level, it has started, it has started to work, the state helps with transportation and connecting to the infrastructure, well, there are certain negative moments of course connected with unsuccessful tax experiments, but in principle, compared to the magnitude of the shock that the economy received during the war, it can be said that our economy still has a fairly high

resistance. that is, it continues to hold , continues to provide defense, the sector has big problems from the point of view of unemployment, that is, somewhere up to 40% there will be work tomorrow, and those who stayed to work also face a whole series of problems, this is a part-time, difficult week and a reduction in wages . well, of course, there are also problems of internally displaced persons, registration of five million people who are moving within the country, this is also a burden on the structure of the special system, but we see that fortunately, so far, such serious ones have been delayed by basic social transfers , that is, there are no pensions, for example, i am paid more or less support, but at the end of may, as far as i know, these debts and the budget are gradually closed, well, that is, we see a whole complex of toxic and negative influences that are inherent in such a situation and are related to the war

we state a huge package of financial aid that comes from our western partners well, in principle, we are also observing the resistance of the ukrainian economy uh-uh-uh very high i would say so, the question is with another ukraine, oleksiyovych , will you allow such a question, minister marchenko told you that it is already time to return er, you mentioned pre-war taxes here actually no, no, unsuccessful experiments with taxes ah, and at the same time, the day before yesterday evening, president zelensky also mentioned his vision of the economy after the war, he said that there will be no place in it in this economy, and the shadow economy, that is, we will not have an economy, it is impossible and it will not happen, i can even

listen . there was a shadow part of economic life in the country, of course i understand that in some of our regions now any economic activity, official or unofficial, is simply a matter of survival, but if we are talking about a normal, stable, strong life of society the work of states about our defense, we must understand that there are those who serve, there are those who provide their work and those who serve. so, this is official employment, this is the payment of taxes, this is the maximum expansion of economic opportunities in our country on a legal basis, and this is the complete modernization of state institutions. well, i don't know i'll just try to

ask some angle that i find interesting in this situation, on the one hand, one of the angles is that the president is not obliged to understand the economy well, because in principle it is his parochially speaking, this is this external foreign policy vectors and this is this is the security sphere and in fact even more so during the war and on the other hand i just wanted to say that you know even in such countries as denmark, the netherlands somewhere 9 10% - all the same, this shadow economy is from gdp. that is, it is always present if there is still freedom and the market, and on the contrary, it seems to me that the statistics of 107 european universities show that if you look at the higher the level of trust in the institution, the more effective they are and the more at the same time, the more liberal the economic system itself, the higher the index of the level of economic freedom, the lower the

percentage actually is in this shadow economy, however , it is important that the ukrainian sector of the shadow economy was different from, for example , a similar sector in bulgaria or in other countries of the last wave of annexation to the european union, which in principle means that this is not a critical factor, probably including in order to gain some prospects for accession there , that is, i approach this in such a way that you know the logic the question, well, it is really important for me to understand what is meant by president zelenskyi, who has such advisers as hetmantsev, who has such positions as mr. marchenko, for example, when he talks about the fact that we will not have a shadow economy, well, personally, i have the personality of zelenskyi's security in the text, what do you have there will be two large military fronts and an internal one. well, in this regard, as you can see, this is exactly the kind of skeleton

model for achieving victory. it can bring us closer to victory as we are faster, because if we see how they worked until the victory of other countries that also were in a rather difficult situation. well, in principle, they also created an internal economic or, as we called it, labor crowns, for example, we take the united states of america during the second world war, a liberal liberal market economy, but they did not, well, they should also use the term, for example, the labor fund, although the phone seems to be working. well, even more so, he fulfilled the plan to sign up, but in principle, uh, such an expression scared the lips, they called the internal labor front that they created under during the second world war, by the way, during this period they had the highest employment and the lowest level in history, and the unemployment rate is actually emphasized in the

302nd century. america descended on the territory, but in principle the concept itself is clear, that is, there must be a military format. it must be internal energy, and within the framework of this internal front, there must also be internal labor. well, what about this economy. well of course, this phenomenon is complex, it is so composite and, well, it is impossible to minimize it with simple solutions, so to speak. well, here you can simply read the works of such an economist as tornado , who uses and studied the problem of the shadow economy using the example of latin american countries . in principle, it is observed in ukraine that this is a disproportionate and asymmetric supply, i.e. when some business entities pay a full set of

taxes, others pay a minimized or optimized accordingly in order to er not lose the whole struggle so that a large tax pressure does not increase the economic er economic initiative for this support the shadow is suitable simply so that they have two shields or politicians and survive or remain in the official economy and bankruptcy well, that is, many choose the effect of political actions and due to this, the minimum is when they come to that because the tax burden is distributed among those economies that have left the real sector in the official sector and this the load becomes even heavier because it is distributed among a smaller number of entities that still pay taxes. well, in principle, this forces the new party to move into the shadow economy and such an orthological circle of creating a snow economy, it is proud to work the more

taxes it presses the more entrepreneurs move into the shadows and the stronger the word load of drinks is left to the official economy and again this forces new new companies to switch to some optimization schemes well and the second point which what it is necessary to write. he researched this regulatory pressure . what is the level of monopolization, that is, again, in order not to lose economic competition to monopolies, many subjects of legal medium-sized businesses go into the shadows thanks to this, i survive , that is, simple conclusions in order to now present them in a toxic form the shadow economy needs to create a starting point of taxation that will be consensual for business and the state, that is, business and the state and society. they must define the process of consensus in the word balanced the point of taxation, which it should start from the minimum positions, that is, we must find our place on the same offer curve that was once drawn by an outstanding economist on a napkin for the

future president reagan, and this bloody offer became the basis of the so-called reginomics, that is, we must start from this minimum tax burden and start moving along this laffer laffer curve in accordance with how the economy will build up its internal muscles . companies with one-person dominance and tree- deregulation, that is, the maximum destruction of burdensome regulatory procedures, then we really have a natural, natural level of that economy will be somewhere around 10-15% per year, which corresponds to such countries as france or germany, because absolutely absolutely for those listeners who viewers who have watched us until this moment and for example, everything is clear or not everything is clear, i still want to specify once again, and if you take it and slam your fist very hard on the table and roll away from

to shake the hands of those who do not pay these taxes , the child will disappear, this will happen, the child will happen now, this is a complex gradual process, that is, it cannot be achieved by administrative methods of etifinization, moreover, it will have the opposite effect of what you said that even more people will go into the shadow. as far as i understand, it is necessary just now during the books not to sign models of restorative and anticipating the growth of the economy and on a scooter to relax after the war , that is, even now, during the war, it is necessary these develop models in order to launch them after the war, because well, of course, now we have a model of mobilization in the new channel, and it involves a large, large role of the state, that is, regulatory processes, and this is objectively true after

, after the war, first of all, we will face the fact that a - and the old industrial core, which has been working in our country for the past 30 years, was amortized by the ukrainian oligarchs and consisted of the industrial complexes of the former ukrainian soviet republic. we need to create a new paster model of the economy and from a group of completely different tax regulatory codes in order to preserve the economic integrity of the fact that the first economy did not just grow there by 2-3% per year, but that it was restorative, ahead of the growth rates there at the level of seven and eight 10%. that is, we must have worked on this by now, you know, uh, i still knew that i wanted to ask this, how did that khachana tsylindbom say that i will teach your vissyuk to talk, he says how can you to make such a promise in 40 years, he says so in 40 years, or the shag will fall, die, or i will die from lux,

what is the russian economy leading to, of course well, at least in terms of resources, it is incomparably larger ah and well, it is even more so that it is much easier to hide any problems there, just ignore them and not pay any attention to them well, let's say siberia was burning, we were burning for ourselves well, a bunch of villages disappeared, a bunch of people died, well, putin didn't care, just like now a bunch of people in russia are unemployed, so he just can't wait for it well, there's nothing you can do yes and i don't have it with you work, god is with you, well, it is clear that in such a totalitarian country as russia, any economy can simply be ignored or not shown on central tv channels, which in principle will not exist either, because it is there virtual reality, but still for today what sanctions against russia are the most effective of those that are in effect and that really and how much more of this resource war could russia get because in any case , it has to end somewhere - it is this russian potential or what can it to finish, well, at least some such incomprehensible prospects, please, well