why do you have a second russian economy, of course ? well, at least in terms of resources, it is incomparably bigger, and well , what’s more, it is much easier to hide any problems there, just ignore them and do not pay any attention to them. well, let’s say we burned siberia. a bunch of villages disappeared, a bunch of people died, well, putin didn't care about it, just like now a bunch of people in russia are unemployed, he just can't wait for that well, you do n't have anything to do, and you don't have a job. - which are economical you can simply ignore the problems or not show them on the central tv channels, which in principle will not exist either. that's because they have virtual reality, but still, as of today . how much more of this resource war will russia be able to receive because, in any case, it has to end somewhere - it is this russian potential or what can end it, well , at least some reasonable prospects , please. well, if we talk about the meaning, of course

the sanctions policy was in relation to russia, it should hit the russian economy in the most painful places for it, and this is the energy sector - this is the defense sector, and financially, this is why, if we are talking about the energy center, it is full of energy color. unfortunately for them, it is simply it is not yet ready, that is, it is just beginning there, it is the sixth package of sanctions related to oil, and there is no full complete rejection of spin-oil, there is a seventh package of sense, it will already be natural gas , and well, in principle, europe has put such purpose 2027 is the year of whose head . let's say that the displacement of russian energy resources from the european market, as far as the financial sector is concerned, is a shutdown of the world's system

. this tool, for example, we have it so far, it is essential, it is essential, we do not articulate it in relation to western partners, although such proposals, for example, from the offices of the president, they came to our western partners, but so far the western world has not ready to include russia's personal situations. well, in principle, these are sanctions against uh, individual russian parties, and as for the defense sector, well, this is primarily a ban on the supply of science, uh, various materials, and so on, we see that uh, taiwan is actually from of defense supplies by this uh, the production of which he is, in fact, it should be a policy - this is an attempt, well, many other countries have completely packed modern technologies , that is, in principle, well, but well, that's right. well, they noticed

that the russian economy. what for the last eight years there since the 14th year due to the fact that one card was not issued they they they we know that they were preparing for war p . a little effect of the oil embargo, the prices of oil and gas, which allow russia to earn even more, this is the paradox of these sanctions so far, we hope that after all, this saying goes to the middle and to the russians, too, for 40 years, so they are donkeys, let's hope very much thank you thank you, everyone. there is no more time for conversation. thank you for the conversation, and our next guest is maria. and it is the people of ukraine, the deputy of ukraine, ms. maria. good afternoon. yes, ms. maria. and by the way, we will also talk about the possible candidacy of ukraine as to the european union, because they have already made

various statements. well, let's say that the president of the bundestag supported ukraine in the process of submitting its application to the european union and herself launched the fund . i will start you know what is more scandalous than this. well, then we will move on to the candidacy of ukraine in the european union and to how it is now considered by some of our partners as members of the european union, but this information is a reference to bloomberg, which quoted transformaiden. he met her in los angeles. well, he took part in a certain event there and, as they say, met with his voters. he did not say that he had warned president zelensky in a year that there would be a war, not because of some kind of invasion somewhere in the area, which means some kind of populated area of ​​donetsk region. and this will be a full-scale invasion of russia. and judging by how many battalions of tactical groups they gathered then

around ukraine from different sides. after that, the adviser to the head of the president, well, you can feel the level of the president of the united states and the adviser to the head of the entire president gave the answer, uh, so he said so at zelenskyi’s table constantly, accordingly, analytics based on qualitative intelligence, the president responded carefully to all the words and warnings of our partners, the only question was what exactly the scope of the invasion would be, and the scope it was shocked everyone, well, we started the answer, please tell me how you understand biden's words - this why did he say that in your opinion again and how do you assess the response level of the president's office. to be honest, it is difficult to comment because, after all, it is very important for us, and the relationship is now so strong with the united states, that is, our vkontakte allies

and then the provision of armaments and financial aid , as you pointed out, according to the protocol, there was an answer and in fact, but i still wouldn’t say it from the point of view of accusations, well, we need to be much wiser here now and we will uh and well, i will not comment on the words, but the president of the united states, er, noted that it was just what he did about the secretary of zelensky, er, of the international protocol, and it was not very positive. i am now speaking in contact with the country. such our government was aware of all the risks and was very wise now in the context of foreign political relations because we now need more

serious ones and we have only one enemy - the russian federation, and therefore we must not forget about it and take it into account it's global, i would comment. i guess we need to focus more on what unites us than what divides us, but the fact that there was information and the fact that we are just like the opposition in reality since 2019, they have been talking about the fact that putin did not and will not satisfy his appetites priority is given to the sphere of our struggle - this is the article of defense security, this is our army. and this is an international matter. it seems to me that it is no secret , after all, the fundamental directions on which we should have worked in an intensified mode, but the fact that after the victory there will already be conclusions a now the main thing is to keep this dignity not in words, but in

deeds, only i appeal to the authorities because, unfortunately, sometimes words do not match actions, and now to really work to provide our army with the latest weapons in the amount that need our weapons of strength and this is also the united states, including the parents, we also wish the ukrainian authorities wisdom and maximum wisdom and believe that even three months if it is three months of war can make a person wiser if he is at least open to this and now the visit is happening literally right now ursolefon der lain, who flew to came to kyiv actually to hold negotiations regarding ukraine's application to join the european union and is also reported with the link european truth reports that today to his sources that one of the reasons for the visit is suleyfon's desire to personally

convince or explain to president zelensky how he should behave now in order to attract more allies, a literally fateful decision on the eve of the end of this month will be made in one way or another for ukraine from one's own applications for the status of a candidate or refusal to grant this status for access to the european union well, actually, ms. maria, what do you think about this, what did the village come with, or what will be the answer well, you know, well, again, this podolyak mentioned recently, he was asked directly, uh, what about the appointed prosecutor of the sab, for example, wouldn't you have a very good ee with such a signal, it takes 5 minutes, the decision actually already exists, it's just a formality for two years for two years, he said that it is necessary to deal with liberal values ​​here and not to play during the war. if you asked my opinion, i would say that this is the

most cynical answer, but you are forcing me to answer questions that are actually i really don't like them in the context, because we are also working now on the diplomatic front . we saw and talked with her at the european people's party congress in rotterdam together with the holy chanterelles and poroshenko together with our colleagues ivan iryna and here are her recent speeches yes such political ones are actually political leadership especially in advocacy a candidate getting a candidate for ukraine well, it is very strong and we can see it. well, frankly, she is very eager for it and she does, in principle, very, well, such

difficult things when she talks about the specifics of countries and still have doubts and her position is uncertain, but for her it is a personal responsibility and that's why it's a big challenge for her and she understands that this responsibility, er, she will have for her, well, let's say a taxi, and that's why i think it's just the negotiations, um, i hope they were quite frank, because the issue is the rule of law, er the issue of freedom of speech the question is, you know, the balance of the government, that is, democracy, it is both the opposition and the government, and what we see are the reforms on which the european union, by the way, spent quite a lot of money. unfortunately , for three years, we saw a setback, and when you talk about the appointment, it actually became the same the criterion of our visa from implementation, that is,

you know, now the european union does not raise this issue, but we have to be very serious about the fact that some criteria 144 criteria, which we, well, since 2015, have implemented with great difficulty, and currently so this independence of state institutions is also under threat, and the balance of the government is for the european union, for the democratic countries. these are strong arguments, and that is why i think that there will be such difficult negotiations. i really hope that the authorities will hear and understand that receiving candidates depends a lot on them, ah, because this is how we are currently working on various international platforms, we talk about how important this candidacy is, but we, in turn, also know that we must show seriousness, ah, that we we understand that this is also a very high responsibility,

that we have to do a lot, but when excuse me, it has been a couple of weeks to call it a violation of procedures, umizumi is fired, well, it is not for the benefit of the state, that is, it is very important that the team understood and what everyone sees is a monitor and i understand that the connection with mrs. maria was lost. well, maybe we can fix it now, because i wanted to ask one more question. by the way, this is blackmailing ukraine by a number of countries, well, we are talking, first of all, about countries located in africa continent, let's give grain, let's unblock the ports, this pressure is there. well, i'm fine, then, please , finish the thought, and i want to ask you one more question, then i want to ask you. well, violations and serious intentions. what will we

do even more after we withdraw from the candidacy? ms. maria, i understand that you have the opportunity now at the diplomatic fund at the level of a people's deputy to participate in certain meetings in certain events. communicate with european politicians who hold certain positions or who are in representative bodies of power in certain countries and the issue of unblocking ukrainian ports and providing grain to those countries that are facing famine today without ukrainian grain, although , again, there is grain in russia, there is grain in china well, why? that is, don’t appeal to them now, but appeal to ukraine. ukraine clearly says that we don’t trust putin, we won’t make any changes , because then there will simply be an attack on odesa, we we understand very well what the level of dialogue is now here and what arguments can be made for ukraine, what is there? believe me, everything will be fine, and we will export the grain to feed people in africa. we have now lost a huge amount of grain in the mykolaiv oblast when the warehouse burned down. besides, according

to yarmak, now russia will conspire is shelling our fields with incendiary shells in order to destroy, in principle, the ukrainian harvest, and this country says that we are in favor of you feeding senegal, conditionally conditionally, or some other country in africa, please, questions, my answers on the three a, that is, the first thing is that we are on the diplomatic front and we really work as a human team on the diplomatic front, you see, because we protect the interests of ukraine and, especially for us, the priorities of the armed forces of ukraine, we are talking about uh, all of these , including the unblocking of grain supplies this is the second issue, this is the issue of providing heavy weapons for our armed forces where we will understand that we are not the enemy and have liberated those territories, including what concerns the sea

, and then yes. this is a matter of time. er, but without obtaining proper weapons, well, that too. we can demine the seas, especially a-and not only you, look. what to do with it, it will be a question of the emigration crisis, that is, the army itself should be interested in providing ukraine with the maximum amount of weapons a-and and and they sold to minimize a- and that is why we emphasize the fact that you know all the procedures for the provision of weapons. they should be simplified, and you also know. we should not hear only you say express, such debates on the number of weapons that will be provided to us there . dozens and when we know that russian side the federation is just thousands of tanks, for example, and that's why we also openly talk about it, but the second direction is what i would say, of course, this

is what causes outrage when we heard that the russian federation is negotiating with another country to steal ukrainian grain to deliver something there somehow. it definitely has to be, you know, the measures that are caused, which would make it impossible and explain it, and in that country, which if such negotiations were to start, it is impossible for the russian federation, well , that is, russia is the aggressor, or is it selling stolen grain? so really, that is, well, it all requires very serious work with strategic when you talk about transportation. unfortunately, unfortunately, what we can do there now for the difference is very minimal . we speak european. they also know all about this, so we return to the first question , maximum weapons, because those weapons will not only save the lives of our ukrainian

defenders, but still, uh, will soon be released on the territory under occupation due to the russian army going there from the territory of ukraine faster, and therefore faster we will unblock the same way and at least we will be able to solve it for the vast majority of food friends, so here the responsibility lies with ukraine. sorry, that is, the responsibility of the free world. e of democracy, protection of human rights, and about the question of international institutions, and what do we have then from the organization of the united nations, and where do we see any actions within this institution when they they see how one country of the rendezvous agreement is causing such global crises, well, this too needs to be answered . yes, they are not simple, but we must start this conversation , otherwise it will be too late, that is, everything will get worse and worse, then in principle the existence of such organizations and what kind of stations would there be

such organizations that were completely incapable of answering such challenges. thank you very much, ms. mariya mariya, and she is a people's deputy of ukraine, and i spoke with her, and that's why andriy. i read such a good opinion yesterday. when the professor asked the students at the university when do you think civilization began in the world of people in general no, there were different answers when the wheel was invented, there was something else invented, the horse was tamed or some other things, does it mean that clay was blamed, they started making pots, and she says no, when they found the first bone or then what date date it is the first bone on a person's leg that has grown, they say why because it means that people have already ceased to live like animals or animals, if an animal breaks its leg, they just throw it away and finish it off well, because it makes no sense, they can run, they can't jump and they can't protect themselves. and if a person saved another person and let his leg grow, it's some kind

of civilization. so, when i'm in ukraine, russia steals grain, and turkey buys it. and that's normal. well, i don't know. then where is the civilization to be finished off? no, don't let the bone grow; it's necessary to steal our grain. this is actually a very interesting question in the context of the fact that the russians demand that they be perceived not even as an empire, not as a state, not as a culture, namely as a separate civilization, it's the same thing by the way, china is trying to say herodotus about them like this, but china at least has some for this for sure, well, it really is a thousand-year-old powerful civilization, and as for russia, we actually have a person on our airwaves right now who can try to ask such a question. this is peter burkov executive director and analyst of the democratic initiatives and me light fund kucheriv and also the head of the center for researching the problems of the russian federation in the 19-20s mr. peter good day good day glory to ukraine glory to the heroes

to the heroes, have you actually heard our conversation and vasyl's question, and i join him? so what is russia, does russia have the right to be called a separate, separate civilization, or if at all is this country and how civilized is it in general? look here, i think we should turn to the british the historian arnold tonby, he really allocated a separate place for them, yes, more precisely, he said that it is part of the eastern european civilization, but that was the view of the british historian, so we call it, that britain is also an imperial country and was a view of civilization that the highest point of the development of civilization is the empire, after which it goes beyond the sky. that's how he believed that the russian civilization can be if it reached the stage of the development of the empire before the development, but it began to decline, just like europe, this is the view of the historian

a- but this is zov's view, if they themselves want to call themselves a separate civilization, then the question depends on which word they emphasize civilization or on the emphasis on the word separate specialization, as he correctly said mr. zima, so what is it when people take care of each other, when a culture is created, uh, in the lakes of which there is a desire for life, at one time ryakhrom described that there really is a country in which a desire for death is formed. yes , necrophilia is a desire for lack of creativity and for the destruction of what i am around and in the end it revolves around destruction within itself now we see that russia is being destroyed from the inside there is a lot for this sign that is, rather the emphasis is on the word separately there is such an opinion in philosophy, there was philosophy but this is my horse to a certain extent but simply

education succeeds signs after all for sure yes and someone from the philosophers said maybe it was heidiger it is quite possible that uh where philosophers spend a lot of time in order to explain something or scientists and so on a poet sometimes literally just one phrase is enough and they they are definitely kissing here, they are definitely working in the truth, and in this sense, i also like the quote of saagrauskas guitar, actually by the very cool poet litovsky , who said about the war in ukraine that it is not a war of civilization - it is a war against civilization. well, here we can also mention the russian poet who described them very well, which president petro poroshenko was interested in in 2017 about the fact that this is a country of slaves and a country of masters, where pigeonholes are valued, that is, a powerful vertical gendarmerie and political police that suppresses any relationship and any domesticity here, this story has been going on for several

centuries, unfortunately we don't see anything new, mr. petar. look, i wanted to explain what happens in russia when any army is an aggressor, even she feels confident, she methodically capture the territory there, adjusts some kind of life in your own way and tries to build something , it happened in the territories of europe captured by the nazis in the territories captured by the soviet union, and when there is no understanding of what will happen next because you are not confident in your own strength, chaos begins well, let's say robbery well here is a vivid example of a herding ball, people are taken to the occupied territory, why are the ghanaians looting houses, then they bring people and settle them in empty houses, that is, there is no logic in principle well, they stole, well, they burn our fields, well, they kill people in russia itself, so solovyov declares their propagandist. and let's capture those countries that produce important for russian production, let's say there are spare parts. well, let's say we capture finland. let's capture something

else. i hate because i will kill everyone because you all hate us, well, some crazy ideas , crazy actions are starting, they are not explained by anything except simply the destruction of civilizations, and please tell me now, in your opinion, russia, with that, i am like her acts both outside the front and on the front and internal political in russia, she is still an adequate actor, now these are already inadequate actions, which in principle explain the fact that, well , no one comes up with visionary plans, far-reaching plans in view of everything that is happening in russia because that means there is no well, except to shut up in yourself to live like north korea or it is even worse. yes, i think that this is also how it will end. northern landscapes really say that it will be isolation, defeat and in my opinion, well, inevitable defeat, but a big one the question what will happen inside the russian society itself, now there is a conscription campaign going on there, they

want to call up 135,000 conscripts, that is, young people, and in three months i think they will try to turn the maximum number of these conscripts into contract workers and drive them to ukraine for the war and thus cover all their losses and it is very telling that the takator will be, firstly, how many will be able to be forced into the army for conscription, and secondly, how many will be able to be transferred to a contract, and if this figure is lower than theirs losses in the war, that is, they will not be able to restore the losses they suffered, well, it will be a complete collapse, and this means that the war can no longer be carried on, the search for options for some negotiations will begin , and then they will mention the grain again, they said, they will ask for proof, remember what this is about. remember about macron again in europe, caravans with oil and gas and suitcases with money will go, they will start looking for these options, and

now here is ukrainian diplomacy, that is, in russia. yes, in russia there is a process of internal destruction, but we do not need to look at russia, we need to look on her actions, what will she do in the event of a crisis? that is , children, preventively, do not allow the influence of russia now in europe, do not allow them to control the negotiations, cut off any paths and convince the europeans that it is not a nuclear war where nuclear weapons are used, but a terrible life in the constant fear of waiting for this nuclear war is next to a country that, well, will constantly threaten it, and north korea is the size of russia, what is needed for this to overcome it, give us enough weapons to achieve a quick, maximum, quick victory only it pretended to save european civilization and what will happen to russia let's leave it to the russians uh, it's their punishment they have to live with it and continue

to think about what to do with it putin likes the regime, let them continue to oppose him, they choose his successor , they don't like it, that's how they start to live like the rest of the europeans will lose the example of the estonian skins in the end. well, very briefly. if possible, they say that up to 80% support putin. like this one, 50.3. what do you think about this, are they not candidates for just this mobilization here, no, here, another number is more scarier before the war, about 60% said that stalin deserved praise, preferably admiration. that is , on the eve of the war, this figure was 60% ready to follow and support stalin's policy, but believe me, when they start returning to russia now , the coffins are already returning when invalids will leave the hospital and will end up on the street, and young guys without arms, legs, and eyes, this is the number of those who love stalin and sign up for a sudden

enough, so it's very difficult for them. it's a pity to say goodbye . thank you very much for your comments, we just have time here limited petroburkovsky as our director and analyst of the fund strange holy day of the initiative named after rik kucherev so we say goodbye to you and that we wo n't be here for long now we will break and then we will return to the conversation we will be with you until 5:00 p.m. be from the press mariupol just recently the industrial center a wonderful city on the seashore and now the city is a martyr , a city for which the heart of every ukrainian aches, the russians wanted to capture mariupol 8 years ago, they destroyed the city, shelled peaceful quarters, but all in vain, but how did mariupol survive in 2014-2015 documentary by artem shevchenko mariupol the city of the unconquered june 13 at 10:30 p.m. on espresso

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