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the league of nations on june 11 at 4:00 p.m. the blue-yellow team will play armenia on the 14th at 9:45 p.m. ireland poland lodz stadium lx time when everyone plays for ukraine we will return to the conversation, i will remind you vasyl zima andriy chaychuk work with you and will work until 17:00 well, here is fresh information andriy read about well, finally, because he talks about losses like that, i understand the surname that somewhere there is something more or less official, yes, it is interesting that if only we had one the only one is simply exit or entry according to all of this, we have zelenskyi first says yes already so ​​you can say that it is different and well, here podolyak has drawn well, if already nearby arestovych told feygin, he must say that there as already arestovych told feygin, everyone knows here, really, there is no need to explain the rest and told fegging that about 10,000 ukrainian soldiers had already died. here i am

telling you in the original language to translate because we can understand now that there are several times more wounded, well , again, the wounded are of varying degrees of severity we all understand perfectly well, but i think that this is a war hm. unfortunately, well, this is a big number. in fact, i remember that during the eight years of the war in donbas, which grew to a large scale, we actually had from 14 to 17,000 dead, if i am not mistaken, but this is again after all, they weren't like that, although the first period of the war was very powerful. well, then that oleksandr antonyuk is already with us, a political expert-consultant of the analytical group of the organizational management of the apparatus of the verkhovna rada, mr. oleksandr. good day. congratulations. i wish you good health. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. we know that you worked for a long time, at least quite closely with the president's office and his representatives, but i'm still trying to understand why the system is built the way it is now, as communications say, we are from communications, that is, we are there. that's why there are so

many of us outbud, what's called exits of this information, why does it come out in the same way? here, for example, about the losses of the ukrainian armed forces . second, the only clarification is that i did not communicate directly with the office . i am following more and more such speeches of advisers. i want to point out that the adviser is not an official who would bear any responsibility as an official for disclosing certain figures because it was agreed in

in principle, it is a motivated approach to not voicing, not publicizing information for the time being until the end of the war. well, someone about our losses in order not to create a wave of demotivation. although everyone perfectly understands that we have , unfortunately, there are losses and they are big, but when they say somewhere around 10,000 well, to be honest, this is a kind of oleksii , again, he is trying to hype somewhere, you see, he lost the first two or three weeks, he was in demand and his functionality was needed and he fulfilled it extremely well. i say this as a person who was essentially the second speaker on the air even before the appearance of the single news marathon, that is, who worked the first hours for 3 hours on february 24. i know how to work under explosions. so when you are sitting on the sidelines of the verkhovna rada and you hear which one well, in fact , you don't know if you will go out, then you won't go out there with the host, so i have a certain impression

that in the office of the president, after all, they are carrying out some such incomprehensible subversive activity, because if oleksiiby should have submitted such information so lost we have a big that's what i would probably say , but today we can't talk about numbers, we'll talk about them after after our victory, after the war is over that is, it would be correct and responsible, the question arises if he has access to this information because that well and this it is obvious that it is in zuluzhny, it is obvious that zelenskyi has it, well, mr. reznikov was obviously recruited in the ministry of defense . i am convinced that it is definitely not zuluzhniy that did not authorize him. office and she could have reached well, because if yermak knows about her and, accordingly, mykhailo podolyak, then let 's go further, you know, let's go down. that is , rostovych already appears there, according to several more

telegram channels. well, and the like. well, but not even here. does he have this information? he has voiced it, if it was approximately. today we have and well, let's be honest , now there are heavy battles in the east of ukraine, well, that is, it is extraordinary and to voice the numbers. well, it seems to me that it would not be quite right, although, again , there is no need to talk about the fact that we do not have to spend, unfortunately there are people, you know, i wanted to say well, well, there is one story to talk about the losses in the war, about the wounded. we all roughly understand, er, everyone has relatives in one or another national points, er, they always bring the wounded and killed - this is a big war war in which russia used the maximum of its power

that it could use now, we are not yet talking obviously about the loss of the civilian population. i think that they are greater, well, this is logical, and we can only talk about mariupol, so again, there must be responsible people here who are responsible they will say that, but in your opinion, is it still necessary to put things in order in communication with our international partners, because again, to say some things about the chancellor of germany, there is something to advise him about macron, again, well, after all, he should be the appropriate level, yes, the current can advise, and then because of some certain statements that and you provide weapons and you are bad and you are brakes and you are there someone else a-a and then there is a statement of biden who says that he warned you in general a year ago well in principle , what did you do, apart from the fact that we gave you javelins and many other things, you did not even dig through the south of ukraine in order to at least make a ditch so that the equipment did not come, well, that is, relatively speaking, and here it is very important, now i told you correctly, mrs. maria i the people will be a deputy who doesn't have one in principle, there are now no such public statements that lead to this

very emotional discussion, er, again, in your opinion, who should put e here on pause, here are these statements of different people, and still define kuleba kuleba there is someone else, someone the other one, let vintsy do the communication, because now the most important thing is to have an understanding with our partners, a joint plan of action, and another thing is that the vast majority of ukrainians, you and i, in principle, do not know what this or that country still helps us with, because we only see what they say on the surface, please. i definitely think that krapka should be placed as the supreme commander-in-chief, because at the time of martial law, the parliament gave him absolutely all the powers, which means that the first step from the airwaves in general should be to remove all those advisors, in fact, an advisor is an advisor, not a speaker, if it is a person who is authorized to be conditionally the speaker there, she should, accordingly, be an official in the general staff and the ministry of defense has an absolutely adequate and professionally trained

staff of press secretaries, and she is absolutely adequately they voice this necessary official information, the second point, of course, is the code to kuleba, there are no questions at all. he works incredibly well. well, that is, he simply demonstrates the miracles of diplomacy, and to be honest , for this, the united states is great for him, and the second stage is what we are talking about communications. of course, what needs to be done before in order, because what is happening today in communications, in general, not only to us internationals inside well, frankly speaking, it is beginning to unbalance our such and such a single wave and so without this it is difficult and i think that if we are talking even about our partners , well, the truth calls to me about hungary. but i really believe that today it is necessary to form a maximum quality even political landing force from different factions, each faction has politicians who have the appropriate profile knowledge and

profile approaches and including from the groups not to arrange demonstrative performances, such as those that were a few weeks ago at, let's say, at the border crossing i mean petro poroshenko that even when he is leveled in this way, his head ruslan stepanchuk of the verkhovna rada also needs to be brought up to say and ruslan stepanchuk needs to be more careful in his statements because of that his colleagues from other parliaments well, they were not accused of lying at all . macron is behaving like this and i am not satisfied with the behavior of our western partners, er, partners, but enough forces and nubists have already appeared today in order not to transfer certain conflicting moments into the public sphere where it was necessary to make statements at the beginning, we made them

and we got a certain result, but you can't always go out on hype and rudeness either, because in the end it starts to annoy our partners and our enemies, that is, the russian federation, which today launched a second wave of powerful media space is a lobbyist of political lobbyists and the like are now using all those absolute moments, well, of course, returning to your question itself. when we talked about the fact that biden announced today that he is a zelenskyi voiced putin's plans, and you and i recall the statement about kebabs and the like, we must clearly realize that today even a mistake was made and that it was bucha and irpin, including that putin attacked us, but to say that we were prepared and absolutely for all 100, including regarding the evacuation, it is definitely not possible because, unfortunately, our government

is underperforming. practically by 80 percent. you know, i say this optimistically, not in order to make him wet one more time. and in order to set priorities, what do we need to think about today, after all, for how people who today will be forced migrants, who are forced to move, and who are still forced to write about it, how they spend the winter, how to ensure their appropriate work , and instead of making some drastic decisions today the statement should be worked out a road package and an exit from communication, how do we want to receive, in addition to military, economic aid , in order not to allow the economy to fall from 30% to 50% because today's war, which, unfortunately, will definitely not end tomorrow, this is still a war of resources, and we must admit that the russian federation has much more resources, and if we are talking about the fact that

a lot of companies from italy and france have moved and will pay to buy gas today and they will in fact buy, they cannot influence them for rubles. we must lobby interests so that for every conditionally there is a barrel of oil and a cubic meter of gas, that is, a fund was created and e-e were transferred there as a kind of tax on our development and support, because if the world is heading for such hybridity and we cannot push it to the end based on subjective and objective things, we must use, including humanitarian moments, in order to receive the resources that will help us endure and to win that war, sir, for this there must be a global vision, here is literally 1 minute on the verkhovna rada question if now what is the current status of the verkhovna rada, here they say and write about the fact that von der leylin's emissary came to zelenskyi - this is the source of ukrainian truth is writing in order to show him a list of decisions that can be made in one day or two days, but with this you will take away

the arguments of those who today do not really believe that ukraine will remain a democratic country after the war and will continue reforms to liberalize the economy and life a- and where, where, where is the initiative of the verkhovna rada, well, look, the verkhovna rada is a collective body, in fact, there are many good initiatives among different factions of the group, and they exist. that it is extremely difficult to conduct them through the committees, but i think that in principle the verkhovna rada itself is in any case ready to join those by representatives of at least two or three factions, then legislative initiatives among, let's say, factions or representatives of specialized committees

. exist, but without joint cooperation with the government and, in this case, with the office of the president, to implement any initiatives is practically at the level of impossible or difficult . by the way, mr. oleksandr, i just remembered my conversation about the fact that somewhere double was not ready because, let's say, the evacuation was not carried out on time , somewhere there was a reassurance of the people that led to well , including this, because here, not only there, someone is to blame well, there are many factors, not to the horrors that we saw near kyiv, in particular, in buch, irpen, gostomel, and many other national points of the kyiv region. and here we actually have the material: the russian occupiers thought of capturing kyiv in three days, but were forced to retreat after two months of fierce fighting our film crew talked with the ukrainian defenders of buchy irpen, well, now is the time

to tell about it and this. in the direction of irpen, a column of enemy equipment tried to break through irpen to the capital. and here this enemy equipment was destroyed on february 27. 64-year-old valentin, who was in the ranks of tereon that day, saw an enemy column moving along vokzalna street, where the man lives, i heard the sound of engines, i saw that the enemy was coming column well, whips were walking along the sidewalks from one side and from the other side. i had a trophy ammunition

mukha 18 and 4 r-5 grenades. i threw three grenades, one for myself, just in case. in this way, valentin destroyed the gasoline truck, then hid in a nearby yard and informed the teru soldiers who were occupying positions. at the entrance to irpen near that is the giraffe, that is where the enemy column was heading. then it turned out to be 101 units techniques came out 11-11 techniques, we destroyed everyone here, there would have been pskov paratroopers who came here, they destroyed everyone, not a single maximum was passed, they reached the railway, so it was still epic, we hung the red and black flag and under with a red and black flag, the moscow paratroopers were destroyed after this column was broken up by the armed forces of ukraine, valentin went out on his street and filmed this video, which was later seen by

millions of people all over the world, everything works out bucha in bucha, then there were two more attempts by the russians to break through to the capital once they tried to climb out here, the second time they also burned 11 mechanized vehicles, mainly bmd-2 assault vehicles and other modifications, and the third time four units were burned by the occupiers and they did not succeed never interrupted the defense at this position, the day when the occupiers retreated began as usual, only later it became clear that the russian offensive had failed on the third of april, the shelling began as usual, well, something ended very early, that is, they put up drones for reconnaissance, we no longer see that the last columns are leaving, they covered themselves with shelling and went, it is clear that they decided to change their tactics and not

to surround kyiv, that is, not to disperse their resources, of which they, of course, are running out, to build on some goals that are more achievable there, resentment prevailed in the number of personnel and equipment. however, the ukrainian defenders had incredible courage , the truth and experience, we had training directly during participation in the anti-terrorist operation . they don't miss it because it's a task, they sent themselves such a task tetyana litvinova ihor nikitenko from kyiv region for the espresso tv channel andriy knows that we are russians now, when something goes wrong, they say but she was very nice to me we didn't want this series. well, putin has already shown some kind of nobility, which means yielding, and left kyiv, and now we

're talking about it there . near the zhytomyr highway and another question is that how did they want to leave so much if they rushed to the kyiv region and rushed with them. so, in these packages, there are passports of the soviet union still on the forms there, issued in 1990 or 1991, which red i had the booklets, my sisters issued another such booklet. for some reason, they already gave me a yellow-blue one. maybe i don't remember anymore. well, in any case, they came for a long time, and here is the feat of the people in buch and in gostomel in irpen. he is just right it shows that they gave the request, he just arrived. is this kyriyenko or whatever and in kherson that we yes yes we have come forever this is their real one none of them doubts the truth valentin nalivaichenko we already see you valentin nalyvaichenko joins us people's deputy of ukraine head of the security service of ukraine at 14-15 years good day i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes

pano detector immediately i come to you as the former head of the security service of ukraine in serbia detained the deputy deputy head and security service whether he was a follow-up population of the general of the security service of ukraine let's say it andrii andrii naumov was detained in serbia we know that relatives say so in the mass media p naumov went to the owner of the head of the security service of the current mr. bakanov, it turned out that p- a few hours before the war, he ran away from crossed the borders and took with him 600-600 thousand euros in a bag well, in principle, what is 600,000 euros ordinary money, it's something like that, well, it doesn't matter. when you read this kind of war, your hair stands on end. what is

actually happening in the security service of ukraine? there are a lot of such conditions. everyone has left or someone has stayed. what do you know about this? how should we react to this? we should ask the current head of the security service of ukraine about this, but i can give professional comments. regarding this general, who is really detained in serbia, and you correctly point out that he was carrying a suitcase of cash in euros, 600,000 visas, diamonds , how many even the serbs cannot count to this day, they prevail and will pass, the report will be looked into, where did so many jewels come from, and not one was an accomplice e. he is a german citizen, but about this accomplice and about the smuggling office and about this general himself, there are all the videos on youtube for two years, there are all the revealing magazines, including journalists, exposed this corruption and in my opinion for the current leadership and the sbu, and since the sbu

is subordinate to the president, now is the time to show a firm hand and show the cleansing of the zra and deserters, because the most important thing is to tell our tv viewers that this former prosecutor, a prosecutor's employee, he received the title a year or 1.5 years ago the general is already in the security service of ukraine and transferred to the security service of ukraine a couple of years ago, but this is a stain of shame on the entire country. the news is coming and it is clearly stated who stole and at which border he was detained, so it comes back what needs to be done now, in my opinion , the first and most important thing is to demand and return this deserter here, who is he there, general, general, it does not matter, second, take the case to court immediately and everyone jewelry, all the money, it is urgent

to confiscate it and send it to finance the armed forces of ukraine. this is how i did it and did not think about it for a long time. for some reason, so far, i have not heard an official reaction from the leadership of the general prosecutor's office, and such a reaction should be we need to demand him here in ukraine, we need to transfer the case here to the ukrainian courts and confiscate everything that he stole into the budget, and the budgets should be immediately directed to the financing of our armed forces, then , you know, there will be no excuses for others to think about such desertions and the removal of jewels from the country award i think there will still be a question about naumov because there is one thing that should be discussed, i want to ask you about one more thing , so president zelenskyi has a whole queue of people who want to receive ukrainian citizenship and many of them are fighting for ukraine. maybe someone else participated in the development of our state or its defense, but they do not have

citizenship, but mr. nevzorov, oleksandr griebovyi , did a person who was putin's confidant, a deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, get citizenship? well, he is free to travel what is ukraine, mrs. ovsyannikova? i am a ukrainian, tkachuk, we are a real family name, and a ukrainian woman also wants to be here , and i have a completely logical question, and i may be that these people are perfect now, but they have changed, do they understand that putin is bad, russia is evil, ukraine, well done, we need to support and help, but still there must be a procedure. i'm not talking about the fact that you need to know the state language, even if to obtain citizenship of ukraine - it was with him. well, i wasn't with him, well, it's just fine. we are now so, but please tell me procedurally well, anyway, well, no one, if you are even an infiltrated agent, you won’t come, you won’t tell. i want to destroy your state, you know. i want to kill president zelenskyi, and let’s just shake hands. but i will have a poison ring. well, for example, yes. everything may not be possible, well, that is, the agent will not say that he is an agent, what should be the procedure for checking people there to which knee and how wide are their connections in order to say so, they are now clean, let them hold citizenship and have access here in ukraine to of these or other rights, please, the procedure

exists, it is established by the law on citizenship of ukraine, and i am currently working in the parliament, a member of the committee on gaming persian integration at the verkhovna rada, i clearly tell you that such a commission on citizenship issues exists and works under the president of ukraine, this commission includes the deputy minister of foreign affairs and the deputy head of the security service of ukraine and other departments specifically for what you, dear journalists, are asking, i.e., to check any application forms and declarations of those who wish to acquire, for example, citizenship of ukraine and such checks are required to be carried out by each department, i repeat, the ministry of foreign affairs and the security service of ukraine and others, before issuing documents for signature on the corresponding decree of the president granting citizenship of ukraine. this is the procedure that exists and it has, in my opinion, especially now during the martial law, work

hard and clearly but we need to separate, we in the parliament really voted a couple of months ago and simplified the acquisition of citizens of ukraine for our defenders for those who are currently in the ranks of the armed forces or territorial defense and protect our country at the front, for them we really simplified the procedure and terms of obtaining the citizenship of ukraine. this is the only exception for the only ones, as i have already named, that is, for people who defend our country with weapons in their hands in our armed forces. such a procedure is simplified only for these people, for all others, and there should continue to be a strengthened inspection and procedure and a commission repeated under the president for this and maintained at the expense of the budget at the expense of taxpayers of ukraine in order for them to carry out such inspections, such a commission is included in such a 10 to 12 people, and the head of such a

citizenship commission generally works in the office of the president of ukraine, this is their work. well, i don’t know the question, maybe you suddenly know something about it, valentin, i just remembered what we had before the war there was such a strange story with the deputy minister of internal affairs, oleksandr gilashvili, i forgot a little, but everything there was interesting , he was connected with russian deputies, in particular with this valuyev, he himself was from russia , for some reason he lived in the same apartment with mr. budanov, who heads next main directorate of intelligence and what's up with this babilashvili and now he is not heard from, is he in ukraine at all or does he still have any relationship with the state then it was started before the war started and we, the deputies, also insisted on an investigation because the deputy the minister of internal affairs whom you mentioned had and now has russian passports, had and has tax payer registration in the russian federation. and then we

demanded that the special services of ukraine check first of all his connections in the russian federation . that he was suspended. this is the right decision, and with the verification of the security services of ukraine, the only thing i don't know is whether the case has been brought to court or whether evidence of work against ukraine or work for the special services of an enemy country has been found there. of the russian federation to the special services of the aggressor country, but now there is a state of war. i think there are more important matters. and this case too. i think that if evidence is obtained, this person will be brought to justice. thank you. the most important thing here is not to such a sacramental phrase was sounded, it is not in time, it is not in time, because now everything is in time, especially what threatens the national security, the purification of the country is always in time now, martial law, we are stronger then when inside we do not have subversive groups of agents and

all the more in power, i agree with you valentina lavaychenko, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the security service of ukraine in 2014-2015, he was in touch with us . well, we will move on to a different topic. and here is the material, please, actually, let's talk a little bit with belarus all the time is giving us new signals, led by lukashenko, who is not recognized as its president, eh. again, there are some stories about what happened there. lukashenko even blurted out that he may still have to win back western ukraine, because the report will be to attack belarus and they will want level the front and they say that belarus will soon be captured by nativists, how can we perceive all of this delusion?