and also international organizations in the fight against our enemy for the liberation of our boys so that every defender of ukraine returns home, i am convinced that you students are very careful to monitor what appears in the information field , so what intentions does he declare what are your feelings in general, what are the plans of the defenders of azov, is there at least hope that they are being prepared for exchange, as it is claimed in ukraine, it is difficult and slow, but what about them, what about them, well, what if they are preparing give in return for something more important for russia itself and you know a-a thanks to a-a including your journalistic work e-e thanks to e every caring person in this world a-a society’s attention is focused around our boys e and this is a guarantee that russia will not

dare to do anything to them, on the other hand, we know the face of the enemy, we know what he is capable of, and that's why we can't relax and underestimate the enemy for a single second, and we must take all steps to liberate our men. e i personally do not lose faith and know that my husband will return home, and since they have already remained alive, ah, these are not the steps that were taken, they were taken not in vain, so i am convinced, on the other hand, that we must be patient and understand that it could be months, maybe even years ago that russia weighs the trophy in our defenders as much as possible will try to take everything it wants from their

captivity, but we must be aware that there is an information war. me too there are threatening calls and messages from the russians, but i clearly know what i'm not afraid and uh, they won't succeed in terms of information war, no matter how hard they try, we are strong together in relation to information war, the last questions are actually from us, from journalists, this issue is sensitive. well, there was no such presidential decree that it is not possible to call , for example, the azovians who have now entered the russian state, how is it correct to say them, you could not call the polish prisoners, at least that is for sure, this word has never been heard, for example , on a nationwide telethon, nevertheless president zelensky himself is being introduced, he is being restored with love, he still said the word that these are prisoners of war, what is the status of your husband and other azovians and others, so who left

azovstalia on may 17-18, the term that corresponds reality and because they carried out the order to lay down their weapons and leave australia and at the same time call this operation an evacuation. well, it is also not quite correct . name it, and i searched for a term for myself for a long time, and i chose that it was a way out, a way out for growth, but this way out was not the end of the struggle, but only a new stage of the struggle for the lives of our boys, and at the same time, i can inform you that when appeals to the national information bureau on the hotline at 4:48 p.m. confirmed to me that this is the case. my

husband has the status of a prisoner of war. i have er and his surname is recorded in such a list ms. natalia, i would like to er um hear the details of your own er love story with bohdan how are you? they came together. so why did the guys who chose such a difficult path of defense, serving the state during the war fall in love, they must have come together in spirit. i had a feeling that it was necessary to help the army. it arose 3.5 years ago, because the war lasts much longer for me, and staying in such under the conditions of the military , it all started as a friendship with the help of the man, he is still quite extraordinary, i was always interested in him, and at some stage the friendship turned into love, eventually he confessed to me and we established this relationship officially, the commander

of military unit 30-57, it was signed by denis shlekha. actually, i am proud of the fact that i have such a husband, and how did it become possible for you to sign when you were in different er, in different places territorially , er, i am also grateful to the government for the decision of the cabinet of ministers 213, it seems a- and when in wartime it is allowed if one of the spouses is a military man to do this procedure remotely with the help of video communication, here we used telegram and thus got married in the end, first of all, what was bohdan's condition before actually, before the eve of may 17, during your last date, what did he say to you and what plans do you have after your

husband's return, what do you want to implement together, what do you actually have in terms of family plans, your husband described his losses and the losses of our family in personal terms -and he wrote to me how many soldiers died and who wrote it that he seems to be alive and healthy in captivity eh. this means that he has arms and legs. april he lost more than 20 kg of weight. i think he had a contusion or he was complaining about his ear and he came under er bombardment with cluster bombs a-a what are the plans for the future er i promised him that upon his return home i would give him at least a son maybe a daughter a-a but a-a also a-a he told me during

one conversation that natalya er-er i would change everything er-er there would be more of you in my life because our relationship was mostly remote er and er i it would be more possible to travel with you, it was in the wild places of ukraine, or maybe abroad, a man i have never been abroad, i just said that abroad for me there is the so-called dpr and lpr but it is still the territory of ukraine and i have not traveled anywhere these are the plans to travel and give birth to a child thank you mrs. nataliya, we sincerely thank you for this from the whole heart of this we wish it will be possible after the release of our defenders, we as media constantly draw attention to this, we also know that the international media constantly talk about our defenders on polish television, well, this is what my friends who live in poland say every day a documentary about azovstal, about our soldiers every day, the inclusion of interviews, conversations about this, we

will continue to draw attention to the actual process of the release of our defenders, their return home, and we wish you to hug your husband as soon as possible natalya zarytska, the defender's wife is growing up, we told your story i was extremely touched. thanks to maria, who asked very correct questions at the end, and i just wanted to say that as mrs. natalya said that she is proud of her husband, we are proud of you both and also, well, all the defenders of azov are treated as this is this is this is a joke this is incredibly cool things that reach the very heart this is true, let's see the informational material is also fresh from the editorial office of espresso, our correspondents work around the clock to give you a picture dear tv viewers from different regions of the country, our correspondents have now visited sumy oblast in areas that were under occupation and are now

liberated, let's watch this material together and return to live discussions in the studio the trostyanets district of the sumy oblast was under occupation for the whole of march. this is how it looks now after liberation from the russians. bromlia, a settlement 40 km from the city of sumy. there was no position of the armed forces here, but the orks simply shot the entire settlement. this is what the local kindergarten looks like. the merciless and senseless russian peace brought her only troubles, when they flew in minutes, i can only hear and everything rained down so quickly, the shock wave was so terrible and the days and doors were blown away, the locks were blown away, that's how terrible it is

the village was under occupation for almost a month, the locals say that collaborators with the people's liberation army behaved even more aggressively than the occupiers. three of them were left and it was a russian who said something, and the son gave an answer. here, the cracks of sumshchyna were freed from the occupiers already at the beginning of april, but it has not become safer since then. the occupiers shell almost the entire region every day. and this is krasnopillya, a town 10 km from the border and constantly under fire on june 2, the orcs were hit by a rocket directly into the apartment building. i live here with my mother. we were lucky . we survived and did not receive such serious injuries

. we have not yet received all the injuries there on the legs and hands. surprisingly, no one died from this hit, although one of the houses was simply razed to the ground. i want to start with one projectile that flew about 50 km from here and then after a few seconds it was already there. whistling and the second shell hit right here a day before this arrival, the occupiers dropped home-made explosive objects on krasnopill from drones, they won't see these romchiks, the creatures, the fisherman, the fascist bastards, if they saw it, they wouldn't have done it, do you think maybe they want to do it well, they are brought up like that well, i don't think and i know if, although before that, i have never asked anything with such questions, although

i served in the mariyskyi ussr, they were already such rude people artem lagutenko, oleksiy kutsuk, for the espresso tv channel. well, we continue our live broadcast, maria gurska andriy sachuk are working for you e-e on espresso air we are talking about the main events of our wartime and in a moment we will be in touch with us lyudmila e-e the employee is in touch tell the editors religious scholar professor of the kyiv-mohyla academy doctors of philosophy nauk, we congratulate you, ladies and gentlemen, have a good day. well, first of all, let's say that today is the day of the holy trinity, a great orthodox holiday that is always celebrated on the 50th day after easter, and today ukrainians pray for peace in churches all over the country, and the trinity is also a traditional holiday unity and unity and in what state of affairs

the ukrainian church meets the trinity this year, let's talk about it first, and after that we will analyze the latest news of the church, which are also two from a political point of view. well, as far as i know, a common prayer day has been announced today not only the orthodox are praying for ukraine, but today christians and greek catholics and roman catholics and protestants are praying for others. i think that jews and muslims will join this prayer marathon, too. and buddhists. that is, all dry people in ukraine who believe in god because of that. today, for example, she was at a service in a pentecostal church. the pastor called on everyone to observe the fast and pray. that the power of this

joint prayer will be such that the lord will surely help ms. lyudmila herself. let 's talk about the processes that are taking place now in the ukrainian church of the moscow patriarchate . at least i don't know how it is right. honestly saying it is called, well, there is no such thing in moscow, if you say so officially, or officially, it is the official name of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, but the official name is the ukrainian church in their statute, especially already in the updated statute , there is no mention of the moscow patriarchate and the russia project of this church, mrs. lyudmila so let's really get down to it, we know from the latest news that kirill held a meeting of the synod of the russian church in moscow and decided to join the

crimean eparchy of the ukrainian diocese to the russian church of the orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, well, in fact yes. and now the already changed synod, simply the uoc , refers to the dzhankoy simferopol and feodosian dioceses, which from now on come under the direct subordination of patriarch kirill without any legal grounds for this. let 's try to understand what this decision means and what the relations between the uoc are and the rpc continue to demonstrate. well, i would call it raiding in one word, because it is impossible to perceive it otherwise, since the ukrainian orthodox church has not officially transferred these parishes under the guidance of patriarch kirill , they were simply annexed in the same way as they

annexed the crimean peninsula and thereby completed their idea of ​​annexing the peninsula not only in a geographical, political or social sense, but also in a spiritual sense, that is, now religiously, all people whose things were not asked, now they will belong to the russian orthodox church. well, i think that this is a criminal act and in the orthodox world , they will give their assessment without a doubt, because we see how the expansionist actions of the russians the orthodox church not only in relation to the crimean dioceses, but remember the patriarchate of alexandria, where they also cut off, uh, that means some african parishes. well, what did you want from the aggressor, that is, this aggressiveness is in the blood of the russian empire and the

russian church. well, we are just trying to really figure out what this means . does this mean that the russian orthodox church renounces its influence on the uoc, and in this case it would demonstrate that the only way for the uoc is to merge with the orthodox church of ukraine, which is actually recognized church because then the uoc in general to whom they are subject only to onuphrius or to whom in general this structure can look like it is detached from the orthodox church of ukraine on the one hand and the new orthodoxy on the other hand it is detached from the russian orthodox church because we are quite critical e- we watched and discussed the decisions of the synod, yes, all these are some kind of decorative decisions of the ukrainian orthodox church, which

allegedly said on the one hand that we are here there, we will not demonstrate unity with of the russian orthodox church, which justifies the aggression in ukraine, and on the other hand, how can it function independently, in fact there is no such church then, it turns out that way, i know. i think that the fact that the crimean parishes belonged to the ukrainian orthodox church, this was not natural, now it seems to me that order has been restored that can exist in this territory. what do you think? they live according to the russian constitution, only russian laws apply there, and how can there be a church that belongs to the ukrainian orthodox church and it is clear that it must be subject to ukrainian law of the orthodox church, that is, as i said,

the political, social, and economic dependence is already complete. as they say, with the last brain, when they subjugated the crimean peninsula spiritually and religiously, the only thing i say is that no one asked the parishioners whether they want to belong to this church or not and by the way, other e-e parishes that are located in the occupied territories are on the line of subordination, because you understand that there is to preserve one’s ukrainianness when they politically appoint leaders from russia, where they actually destroy all-ukrainian and ukrainian books and ukrainian language and ukrainian culture. well, to preserve the ukrainian orthodox church, the question now, then i will put it a little differently and whether or how russia can

preserve russianness in the ukrainian orthodox church, which we previously wrote in brackets of the moscow patriarchate, in other words, how much are the processes taking place now between metropolitan onuphrius the primate of this church, which is trying for some independence of this church . so here we can say how wide they are and how productive they are, because i will just allow myself to remind you that somewhere in the early 90s after reading from one of the regional experts, actually, the roman kips about the fact that until there is a single local church in ukraine, ukrainian independence will always remain in question, well, in ukraine , there is now an orthodox church of ukraine, which naturally the uoc should join in order not to end has already ended ms. lyudmila, in some way i am not as optimistic and imperative as it sounded in your last sentence that they should

join the fact is that the ukrainian orthodox church is very heterogeneous there are people who have long advocated autocephaly for that part of the church that is oriented towards ukraine. there are people who stood for russian peace and will stand until the end. well, like metropolitan luka, for example, zaporizhia or agafangel from odesa or crimea , also the metropolitan. and the last decision of the council of this church, which took place on may 27, there is a very interesting point, which gives a kind of autonomy to the bishops of this church in different territories, and depending on whether they under ukrainian rule or are they under the rule of the

occupiers, it means that the bishop is allowed to make decisions at night, they are on their side. well, how can you imagine in the same kherson now, even if there are patriotic bishops there, what can they do for ukraine, protest against the anti-pacification authorities, speak out against putin's kremlin and cyril and under no circumstances will they be closed, beaten, covered, and so on. well, what awaits this church is a split. it is obvious, and you know, they were proud all these years that volodymyr sabodan managed to preserve the unity of the church on it's a pity, now it is subject to terrible attacks, and today we have to say that there is no unity in this church. well, how can this process look like? actually, let's start with the

data that we saw there a few weeks ago of the transition of communities from the uoc of the moscow patriarchate to the orthodox church of ukraine, their number recently crossed the four hundred mark from more recent data from june. the war is about more than 100 communities, and actually, how do you think this process will look now, because it turns out that with this subordination of the crimean dioceses, cyril actually denied the very existence of the ukrainian orthodox church, which until recently was called the moscow patriarchate but it is not subject to the orthodox ukraine and is actually such a suspended formation, so actually how can this process

look like, it is reminiscent of the processes that took place in the early 90s, when they were in such a state the ukrainian orthodox church of the kyiv patriarchate, that is, it declared its autonomy, independence, autocephaly, which for 30 years was not recognized by the ecumenical patriarchate . autonomy, but there are still many bishops who did not support the decision of the council on may 27 and they will look for other ways to preserve the structure, there are several variations directly to become part of the e-e russian orthodox church, as it is happening in crimea or in

donetsk, they haven’t written on their churches for a long time that there is a church there, for example, st. barbara of the uoc mp. it was not a proposal that some priests applied to submit to the e-e direction of the kartopel patriarch bartholomew, that is, you know, this is the form of stauropedia for those who do not want to unite with the ptu well, the process no one will stop the transition of the parish from the ukrainian of the orthodox church into the orthodox church of ukraine , that is, it has already begun, and it seems to me that the number of these 400, which you mentioned, will increase, because i will tell you so, people already have little faith in the good intentions of this church, because it has actually been three months, and this is the hot phase of the war they didn't identify themselves in any way, they didn't define themselves as if you know

they wanted to learn with two hearts. and now kirill knocked out one chair and now it turns out that the perspective is very, very similar, you know. it's not clear for this church, well, actually, i would say that the situation is different since when the kyiv patriarchate announced its church independence, because then in principle there was no church independence in the ukrainian church, but now the ecumenical patriarch gave ukraine a tomos, there is church independence in ukraine and there is an orthodox church of ukraine actually, that is, everything looks very natural here, you just have to imagine what, for example, the governor of the kiev-pechersk lavra, the well-known metro metropolitan pavlo, who for 30 years told everyone that filaret and everything he did were schismatic heretics, and he is now you understand that this is only a trail of schism. it is enough for the

orthodox church in the heads of the believers of the ukrainian orthodox church. in addition, they paid and so on. and i don’t know. so 400 parishes were transferred. well, they may still be transferred, but don’t forget that in principle , about 12 thousand of all of them, what percentage actually realized that it is necessary to change their legal subordination and still define yourself in this triangle, you know, kyiv-moscow and istanbul or constantinople, you have to stand up, you did not declare yourself autocephalous, you cannot exist outside of universal law, all you need is recognition from other orthodox churches

, i don't know who now recognizes that part of the ukrainian orthodox church that remained on the territory under our control and has nothing to do with the orthodox church and cyril, these are very complex processes, they have always been complex in their own way, let's let's remember how long the moscow patriarchate was recognized, it's not one year, not two, in my opinion, something like 150 years, i couldn't achieve anything, in fact, there's no time for a conversation. well, i'll literally add a quote from myself, if you allow me. it seems to me that despite the fact that these are extremely days, the processes of the state cannot get rid of them on its own, since this is a matter of national security, as far as i'm concerned, even the same idea that poroshenko's example showed that in general, the state's policy is aimed at this, and it is allowed to move changes. it's not that no one before him i did, but they actually allowed me to achieve the final result of the tomos, the actual granting of the autocephalous church, and it seems to me

that this thing is very lacking because they are fighting not only for the parish but for the parishioners. look, there is no such follower under the head of our state now on the religious right, there is poroshenko , the current government is just demonstrating absolute neutrality, and stefanchuk very recently declared that the issue of the entire church will be resolved after the victory, well, this means that the state has removed itself from inclusion in this process, and so far we do not see no steps on the part of the state that would indicate that it wants to help the church solve such difficult situations because these are steps also for victory and because we actually see how russia uses the church for informational purposes and what mrs. lyudmila is talking about about this train of schism it is primarily pulled by the structures of the fsb, which uh leaked out, simply exploited this uh, this uh, the church structures got confused and

are actually trying to work in this way with the brains of believers in different countries, and ukraine is here at the peak of events. thank you lyudmila filipovychi eh actually religion from the skill that was included in our broadcasts, we will continue after a short pause, after important information messages from our tv channel , we will return to this studio, we will talk about the situation with human rights in the temporarily occupied territories, we will also talk about military affairs, about the situation on the fronts, this is important, so stay with us we'll be back in a moment mariupol until recently was an industrial center and just a wonderful city on the seashore and now the city of the martyr, the city for which the heart of every ukrainian aches, the russians sought to seize mariupol 8 years ago they destroyed the city