it just concerns, of course, the neighborhoods that were and are being subjected to brutal shootings by the russian aggressor, i can tell you that we will build a lot have underground parking lots that will have a dual purpose . in case of any emergency situation, well, it was very necessary to think about our security , because today a security system should be formed, including the city of kharkov, because the city of kharkov is imagined as a border city, but it was very necessary to stimulate production, because the city of kharkov has always been you see very large techno as such a

center, and i am sure that we will not only revive traditions, but we will multiply them and we will have a lot of technological industrial in the parks, we are already working on the problem of the it sector today, and for us it is extremely important because the city of kharkiv was one of the it capitals in ukraine, and today my main task is that the people who work from city ​​of kharkiv and enjoyed a decent life in city of kharkiv thank you thank you mr. igor i wish you peace and a successful recovery mayor of kharkiv igor terekhov was in touch with us and we are moving on to another very important conversation with the former people's the deputy of ukraine and the former post of ukraine in belarus to the participants of the adjustment of the contact group on the settlement of the situation in the east of ukraine an immortal novel congratulations mr. roman good day, the panel

was glad to see let's start with the negotiation process, after all, you know me. to be honest , the discourse itself, the discussion that led connected with the fact that a huge number of our compatriots, for one reason or another, are waiting for and fearing some kind of peace negotiations. others say that it is very dangerous that there will be soft negotiations and our western allies will push us to do something. to be honest, i do not see any desire on the part of russia to hold any negotiations with the ukrainian president and with ukraine as a state as such, and it seems to me that there is no such thing among ukrainians that no one in moscow perceives anymore after february 24 ukraine as a state of zelenskyi as president is simply a territory that needs to be seized on this, you can somehow send medinsky there to imitate they are moving. while the russian troops are regrouping for a new occupation. i don't know

how right i am. well, you're not just right, you're hitting the heart of the problem. because, in putin's concept, there can be negotiations only with the president of the united states of america, and remember more. for five years in ukraine, wise people said that his goal was to destroy versailles. well, let's not do that to yalta, otdam's model of the world and impose a different one, and literally in those years, for the first time , ideas appeared in the kremlin about what to stand for table negotiations with washington and they clapped their hands when trump became the president of the united states and already in helsinki

. that in such a situation, we will not include china in this , that is, in fact, in the concept, in the strategy , there were no putin, no negotiations at the level of leaders, in principle, there never were and never will be. and that what was happening in minsk. what was, is, and will be similar things there in the minsk format, and to all these groups. which after the second

world war were actually formed in order to solve these issues and in fact during the years of putin's presidency and the osce and the security council he and the kremlin managed to discredit strongly how to discredit those who follow this and understand that the security council considers the issue of the implementation of the law on languages ​​in ukraine and does not consider issues related to regional huge international armed conflicts wars and here is the situation in which we are and as for the things that arise otto like there are conversations medinsky arahamia let's say yes and this is nothing but tactics tactics somewhere to delay time

somewhere to reformat the troops somewhere even the introduction of troops with the redeployment of troops somewhere based on the international calendar should have been play all the things, but the same applies to the conversations between the presidents, let's say the ministers , and so on. istanbul-moscow are also components of this process, and pay attention there, clearly in all the ukrainian international dialogues and what there is a laurel wreath and so on. one can feel the kremlin’s attempt to harm, if not directly to ukraine, then through some kind of ukrainian dialogue with the unions and so on. and here are all the fortune-telling there in budapest and in the netherlands and so on. well, they are clearly being followed. i’m not talking about the situation with

belarus, that is, it's just a textbook, it's a textbook of such kgbesh operations, that's what we're facing and uh, and i'll say this from my point of view, that's the reaction of kyiv 's political leadership. in this case, let's put it this way, she is too soft on these uh-uh maneuvers that the cream imposes and circulates all the time, and the most dangerous thing is that the kremlin, even the very tactics of introducing negotiations, does similar things , and this was clearly visible from the normandy format according to minsk opposing contact group things were even thrown inside, well, remember at least the topic of withdrawal of troops, rapid changes, and so on, and

when they talked about specific moments there, building a bridge, a road, a gas pipeline, drainage, not for nothing, the topic of a game around demining, withdrawal of troops, which in itself discredited the ukrainian political city, the military leadership, and so on, that's why i i completely agree with the topic that there is no dialogue at the level of zelensky putin in the kremlin's plans, and in fact there was none from the very beginning, and from my point of view, the operation was chosen when president zelenskyi was paraded at the international level, furnished with the necessary and, let's say there events, with the necessary tactical steps, and there was an attempt to simply introduce him as a person at the

time of election who was completely inexperienced and a person who did not understand foreign policy issues, well, here we must only give credit what is this leadership position of washington she saved zelenskyi as a political figure and zelenskyi as the president of ukraine in this situation because it is difficult to imagine a situation when we are dealing not with the leadership position of president biden, but with playing on the interests of president trump, therefore it is obvious and clear that the political leadership of ukraine faces an absolutely clearly defined task today, this is the work of allies in the rammstein format, work with

washington and in order not only to conduct the technological component, i mean the defense-industrial complex, the issue of weapons and so on, but also to introduce the same political dialogue, because it has no less influence on the situation. everyone already understands that today the question lies on the surface. and what is the goal? i mean from the point of view that for ukraine victory in this war. i wanted to ask you about belarus. president lukashenko is again saying that he will defend the western regions of ukraine that want to take over a neighboring state, of course, this is all demagoguery, which we can say we are already used to hearing from the belarusian ruler, but how likely is it that the belarusian army will actually be able to cross the belarusian-ukrainian border by itself the belarusian army is not just a russian, e-e p vitaliy, what

always did not surprise me, it shocked me that you now used such a phrase that for us it is clear that it is demagoguery. if it was clear, then in the last years of the decade, we would not have made so many mistakes. well, to put it mildly, in relation to to the northern neighbor and now about what is happening and what can happen, and in the current situation, at least i would suggest that the ukrainian political and military command consider several possible options, it is necessary to understand that lukashenko can to find himself in the situation of a driven beast, the situation itself dictates to him the need to bite, and therefore and this is the extreme situation about which he will throw troops into ukraine, he will have no other way to defend himself, and this is like the most unpleasant development

of events in the northern direction a-a in the same time, it is necessary to understand very well that in the tradition of a person with a collective farm head complex, how he never stopped repeating the phrase that a-a smart calf, two cows, that’s all, and he did it very successfully, flirting with the west, then with russia, and so on but he did it to the extent that the kremlin allowed him to do it. and what happened with the beginning of the events on february 24, when the territory of belarus was used to enter ukraine for bombings to use airfields, and this continues to this day. this is evidence that lukashenko does not continue to develop of the entire

situation that makes up this terrible word war , in fact, in the kremlin's war against ukraine, lukashenko has his own function, and within the limits of this function, he performs the tasks that we assign to him the kremlin now needs at least ukraine to keep a few dozen tactical group battalions on the northern border. well, lukashenko arranges training there on the border, and they are legendary, with a clearly ukrainian direction , and the relevant broadcasts are broadcast daily on national belarusian television. interviews are shown there. all these things and so on. moreover, these are russian channels, only with the inscription at the bottom of the belarusians, not only small inserts on the news, and

these news are filled with this intimidation. of the belarusian army with weapons, although it is well understood , looking at what it represents to itself, that while it is about training. so it will represent something. well, as soon as it can represent some armed actions, some combat actions. well, she is categorically will change although i want all of us to understand well that these three months of the war showed that there were quite a number of belarusians, a very significant number of those who were recruited by the private armies of the russian federation for the armed forces of the russian federation belarusians in subversive and intelligence groups that operated especially chernihiv kyiv sumy oblast what does this indicate this indicates that

a-a territory of belarus with private armies and who feed er-er this intervention of russia in ukraine is used as a territory where a huge number of a male population is recommended for of this war and it must be understood that today if we take all the components in which belarus is involved in the kremlin's war against ukraine, then from the point of view of international law these are two satellites that have to answer in the same way that putin and lukashenko and lukashenko even more why because he is not only a satellite of the kremlin introduced by this war and he still calls, he actually insults his own people, then another matter, we will say there how it will be incorporated later in the consideration of these

issues by the tribunal, but here there are two in one: a person who self-proclaimed himself as the president of belarus and a person who, having seized power, uses the armed forces of the republic of belarus, the territory of the republic of belarus in the war against ukraine, because this component is tactical, when the belarusian troops are maneuvering there, tying up part of the ukrainian armed forces in the northern direction, it is also a component of the military operation. that they are participating in the military operations of the kremlin and they will answer as putin will answer as the

officers of the a-a russian army will answer doctrines or crimes against ukraine as you think in principle e-e ukraine will receive the candidate status of the european union well er, yes, from the most likely option. but before i name it, i will say the key thing that we all understood. it turned out that for ukraine, obtaining the status of a candidate is not a goal, it is for seven reforms. and this was best seen when ukraine entered to the council of europe, remember and so we were accepted there, but they included a monitoring mechanism that worked for 4 years.

there was a report that ukraine made, from my point of view . of the internal order of the european union. it's just , well, technically, this is a technical decision. i think that an exception will be made and several languages ​​will be written under this technical decision. what about the energy company and so on. when the energy charter was ratified, everything is fine, we accept you, but look here. here are the conditions. will it affect the time? it seems to me that this option will be the most likely, because when i analyze the

statements of friends of the european union in quotes , friends of the european union, friends of ukraine, i see how they came in their slovaks, and there the order is such that these things are processed in advance, and what ursula fondonlandia took over this function, she is constantly fortune-telling in europe, she conducts conversations and tet , and from my point of view, it is necessary to give credit here that she has found access to those who, in quotation marks, have been friends with ukraine the most in recent years thank you, thank you, mr. roman, let me remind you that the novel bezsmertnyi was in touch with us, a former deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, the former ambassador of ukraine to belarus, we discussed how the situation will develop, especially diplomatically, directed at lukashenkas, now we are in touch with a military expert, a colonel of the armed forces of the forces of ukraine oleg

zhdanov congratulations olezhe congratulations well let's just try to understand what is happening in donbas at the moment, what could happen in the further development of the situation with north donetsk, are the russians really now the ukrainian armed forces are trying to surround us, and as far as it is at all possible, they really can’t get us into north donetsk itself, and they are taking all measures to cut off the supply. to date, two bridges out of three have been destroyed, and the third bridge seems to have been mined, so today our troops can leave everything without support from e-e from e-e side of the armed forces of ukraine and this yes and this may threaten e-e actually blocking them on the territory of the industrial zone in the very place of severodonetsk, but for now we continue despite and the influence of fire from the russian federation,

especially its artillery, which does not stop for almost a whole day, we still continue to receive the industrial zone of the city of severodonetsk, what will the situation in the south look like in principle, in this case , a real counteroffensive is possible against the background of the battles in donbas and where can we advance in the south, well, in the donbass, not for today, god grant us to get a parity of fire, at least the fire plan between the armed forces of russia and the armed forces of ukraine, if you don’t, you see that today, in fact, the entire western artillery almost all western artillery has been withdrawn to the north donetsk region in order to most effectively hit the armed forces of the russian federation. and this allows us to hold these positions in relation to the counteroffensive. well, even in the south, where we

have success, there is actually a rather low concentration of russian troops the density of them in the defense well, i wouldn't say that this is a counteroffensive, this is an offensive action to expand the bridgeheads in a separate direction. this can play into our hands, but not today, when we will be preparing for real counterattack, if i meant the counterattack in the south, not in the east, that's how i answered, i said that in the east, we are trying to get parity and the positions that we are getting today, although you see in the east, the situation is so critical that russia has in the is advancing little by little, albeit slowly, but it is advancing in some directions, especially in the direction from raisin to slavic, and here we

are in the south. and the creation of bridgeheads for the future counteroffensive, which will take place only after the formation of the counteroffensive group itself, if we talk about the losses of the armed forces of ukraine, now the minister of defense of ukraine oleksia reznyakov and the speakers of the government are calling high numbers of losses, and the western media are calling even higher numbers why now such numbers have appeared which, after all , have not been made public before at the official level, and which can naturally make such a rather negative impression on ukrainians that we are losing there are so many ukrainian soldiers that why did this happen now? i think that it is unfortunately unfortunately our leadership sometimes uses pr tactics in order to get some preferences

. are secret and they are announced after the war itself why because no matter how much we want it, it is a demoralizing factor for a country that is waging a war that is nasty in the theater of the enemy, we announce our own losses, uh, we don’t announce or announce today, unfortunately, trying to announce such a figure, in my opinion, the country's leadership is trying to get the maximum benefit in terms of receiving weapons from western partners , partners, but they are not the ones who bear these losses and these losses , this figure is horrifying and uh, well, it lowers the morale of the population of our country, but not of western countries. in my opinion, this is a strategic mistake by the leadership of the country.

if we talk about the supply of western weapons, we always say that it is late. can we? we just don't know when it actually arrives, maybe we shouldn't know. well, here i agree with you in the sense that we simply don't have a real, real supply schedule. well, it 's acceptable. joe biden , the president of the united states, signed the financial support for the loan lease, and by the way, on this very day , the american press, some editions of the american press reported that the shipment of heavy equipment to the vessels of the naval forces of the united states armed forces had begun states and and this happened, if i'm not mistaken, somewhere on may 15, but i count a week, loading, loading, somewhere around two. well, from power, three weeks, the atlantic, then

a week of unloading, and it's somewhere around then the railway goes, it's somewhere around the end of june, the beginning of july. we should receive here the first batches of supplies weapons, but as of now , it is still being clarified. there is still grant aid from the united states of america, and the lend-lease itself will start working directly in the fall. well, nevertheless, the shipments of weapons, which will be counted in hundreds of units we should get it somewhere at the end of june, at the beginning of july of the current year, it will be possible to maintain some period until this time, to maintain some parity. yes, i think completely. well, i will quote mr. luzhugny, our commander-in-chief

of the armed forces. he said that we have quite enough forces to conduct a defense operation, even today. i think that we have the opportunity to hold out, well, taking into account the help that comes from european countries in we have the opportunity to hold out until the beginning of the supply of this heavy weaponry from the united states of america, tell me in principle, it is now possible to say that russia has already determined certain points of occupation zones. well, we know what even the donetsk, kherson, zaporizhia, luhansk regions are, which they are wants to disengage and this is a stop for the first in the first phase of this protracted war, will they advance everywhere, only they will be able to anyway, as you can see, they have already started, look, we have already created such conditions on the front that the russian the federation today cannot, cannot, does not have the ability to form battalions of tactical groups on its own

territory, and then how to throw already formed units into battle, they actually take people and equipment to replenish losses, e-e, for this, in order to form additional btrg btrg, they need an operational pause that's why i think that they have breathed their last and today the second war will begin or the second front will open, and we are already observing this at the political olympia where they will force us into the negotiation process and where er, russia will try to consolidate these achievements that it has to date, and by the way, the more we succeed in liberating our territories, even if only in small steps there by 1, 2, 3 or 5 km, russia will try to hurry to consolidate so that not god willing, i was released from most of the territory, and here, by the way, i noticed

this visit of this trio who are going to go to kyiv , the leaders of france, germany and italy. uh, in my opinion will try to negotiate a negotiation process, and russia will generally want a negotiation process , but we just discussed it with roman the immortal and we just arrived at the exhibition that the russians will not negotiate with us , they will stop and will stand and accumulate new opportunities if one they will be, of course, i think no, i don't agree, well, first of all, lavrov's statement in turkey that he said that russia is open to negotiations, and this is the first and second, they can't just stop, the point is that it is necessary well, in order to consolidate these achievements, the military must achieve a ceasefire, although a

ceasefire may not be signed. we have some kind of minsk three conditional, but without a ceasefire, we have the full opportunity to win back these territories, inflict damage and move forward little by little , so i think that russia is simply forced to go to the negotiations and they will now put pressure not personally but through third parties to put pressure on the leadership of ukraine in order to reach the negotiation process . our tv expert was on the phone, now i will pass the floor to my colleague irina koval, who will introduce you to the news, and before that i remind you that you can ask me questions to participate in the interactive on the espresso tv channel's facebook page or on my personal page, irina, please thank you vitaliy, i will tell you the current situation in just a moment