of officers, including senior officers, that is, in all these areas , there is something to be proud of in our defense forces. these are the most interesting cases, examples you can give right now, well, there can be a lot of them. of course, this is the south of ukraine. that is there is more of a positional war going on there. of course , there is a hot phase in the east, and there is no resistance movement. in the south, there is a positional war and there is energodar, for example, the elimination of collaborators and the destruction of patrols. this is melitopol of the zaporizhzhia region, and when they blew up and the railway was also blown up and freight cars were also destroyed, including officers and occupiers , and tokmak was a crime in luhansk oblast. when they actually blew up the entire city hall, where the security forces were gathered, well, they were joking there was a gas leak, that is, examples, but what i

want to say is that the most interesting examples, in fact, we will find out after the war, because sometimes our resistance movement creates really complex operations, it is a mask, it is under coincidences, under er, showdowns, let's say under er between different units of the occupiers and that is it really high-class operations and i hope that we will have a whole book about our resistance movement in the occupied territories after the victory, i am sure that , unfortunately, we will also learn about the biggest crimes of the occupiers. after this war, i am sure that the russian special services will not ignore all these cases about which you say and are probably doing everything to intimidate the local population. well , we will really learn about the biggest crimes after the war, but we can already say that in the occupied territories we will have more than one anywhere and borodyanka, because we have absolutely the entire range of crimes against the person there, and the handwriting of the russians is

absolutely the same everywhere, and there are terrible murders and tortures and kidnappings, rapes , that is, it is absolutely easier to call some crimes not doctrine, but in the russian occupier and unfortunately , we cannot even get access to set the scale, but we can already see that this is a really colossal scale in relation to the tactics of the occupiers, so here it was different and they tried to apply the tactics of these polite people when they tried to show loyalty with affection. well, it seems that the liberators are trying to help somehow, and it must be said that the occupier was met with absolutely total resistance among the local population of the southern regions, it seemed, completely russian-speaking, but there was a clear rejection of the occupation, a clear rejection of the russians, and then , of course, on every such action he already started his report, he gave permission for his comments, and there

began the kidnapping of people and torture, and demanding confessions, that is, even under pressure , confessions were obtained, mostly they were not found exactly of our partisans and that's why it was necessary to show some results to the leadership, they took just peaceful residents, they took those who were not afraid to go to protests, they threw them into their cages, they beat them, they beat them out, they confessed absolutely false, and such tactics, unfortunately, it continues, and it must be said that er, to go out already, as we saw at the beginning , when there were many hundreds of people who went out with rallies and actions, boldly and absolutely marching on russian equipment, on russian tanks, but unfortunately, we no longer see russian equipment, because the occupier it is already much tougher, but on the other

hand, our resistance movement is also active at the expense of these people , it began to receive reinforcements in what way, that is, they move, they establish contacts with special operations forces, uh, yes, with local people, they know somewhere each other, and if at the beginning we started with hundreds of people, now we are talking about thousands of people. of course, not all saboteurs are far from it. it is necessary to understand. is it just me? it is very skillful and you need to learn it, but even actions of sabotaging information about moving putting up leaflets, they give their results. and when the aggressor already sees that the leaflet is pasted in a specific place along the route he is following, he understands that there is a person who can throw a grenade tomorrow. that the occupying artists and the russian nazis are actually

copying this tactic, trying to kill the wedge between the local population and the active part that is engaged in this resistance movement, in fact, a partisan struggle, there are two tactics, the first is terror is the punishment of any civilian population for some action committed by partisans, and the second is propaganda, this is distortion of information, this is evidence that these terrible acts were committed by partisans or ukrainian troops. how much in different regions of ukraine in different ways people react to such attempts at manipulation to what extent are such harsh and softer propaganda tactics effective. i would single out the entire south here, that is, i would not even be able to demarcate any special areas, because all over the cock, er, ending half of the donetsk oblast, eh, up to mariupol, eh, we

see that this tactic of the russians is eh, as an attempt to blame everything on the armed forces, to show themselves as liberators, and let's say our armed forces are the aggressor, it really didn't work and they understand it eh and they can't do anything about it because they currently don't have enough security forces to fully control this territory, and on the ground they are already starting to figure it out because there are dozens of uh there in different regions. already hundreds of e the occupiers were destroyed, well, their patrols were physically destroyed, and there are very interesting methods of their destruction, and they were also strangled with their underwear in their mouths, that is, there are a lot of such demonstrative , demonstrative, demonstrative liquidations of the

occupiers . routes because they see that, on the one hand, their propaganda tactics are not working, and on the other hand, they see that they do not have enough strength to commit complete terror for the purge, that is, what did they actually do the soviets during the second world war and what they managed to do, they started to block the possibility of our refugees to leave, well, physically they just started to block the roads, and in this way, this is a tactic of taking hostages, the information camps again completely check people, and also torture them unfortunately we know many such examples. i noticed that now you talk a lot about the south of ukraine, but you say about donbas. now we can't talk about active fighting there, so we are talking about severodonetsk. unfortunately, they are approaching slavyansk to bakhmutov is occupied by the occupiers, but there is a large territory that has already been captured by the enemy in the luhansk region and also in the donetsk region, we can

talk about what happened in the 14th year, unfortunately, part of it was already captured in the 22nd year, what is happening there? it must be said that there is a weaker movement of resistance there, because for a long time 8 years and the territory was under total occupation, it must be admitted that indeed in these conditions we were not able to build up resistance in the same volumes in these networks and there. of course, it is exactly the movement resistance weaker, but even in such conditions, if we compare some areas that are very close to mariupol, we can still see that people are very different from the same russian regions, and when russians like this, well, how would i say such a russian word askervineem, they treat them there khokhly, nazis, the occupiers are already people in donetsk region , they are in them, this whole propaganda does not work automatically, and for example, when the shelling

of residential areas began there, in their public places, they very clearly established that wait from this area was this means that the russian occupation forces are shelling, and we can also see that now that the administration has changed in the donetsk region, they are already putting full-time russian servicemen there. so this is the dissatisfaction of the average occupied. this is exactly how everything is in the occupied territories and in in donetsk luhansk public places, people also discuss and say that we are against it, we do n't like it, we don't like it, that is, they have such internal protest moods, they are spontaneous it cannot yet be called an organized resistance movement , as it is in the south of ukraine, but it is definitely a favorable ground and as soon as the russian government there weakens, as soon as their armed forces lose their strength and vigilance, there will definitely be much bigger protests and i think that they will be even more than the russians count on that, because there are a

lot of mobilized people who are simply thrown as cannon fodder, who have some experience with weapons and who do not want to fight. the territories of donetsk region or luhansk, luhansk regions, they commit riots, they rebel, and among their families, friends, and relatives, considerable discontent is already growing. our marathon if a person wants to join the resistance movement of ukraine against the occupiers and he is in the occupied territories. and what should he do? for that, he must contact us. well, of course, with the help of the internet and telephones again digital communication with ukraine with kyiv with the relevant units of the armed forces, so to speak, submit your application and after a

thorough check . this moment to contact her. that is, it will be at the discretion of our special operations forces or our intelligence officers, but each person can print on his own printer, see uh, that leaflet , print uh, make one or two 5 posters uh and it is absolutely possible and this is a means of their such civil resistance and if it is even spontaneous without coordination, it is still a big help because the forces will then already be stretched, the last question is how to act as safely as possible in this situation. if you want to help contact, paste it yourself postcards, some advice from you, er, i will say that you need to monitor your phone very closely, that is, if you have

contacted all your messages, photos and video recordings, you need to delete them very quickly you need to have your phone with you, because the phone is the first thing that is checked. you don’t need to tell your circle of friends if you are not sure about it. you don’t need to get in touch very quickly. you need to keep in touch with anyone. the most important conspiracy is that you don't need to show any excessive initiative in contacts with the occupation authorities, because there are always such people, they are under uh, under threat, under attack . to walk along the same route several times it is possible for several days it is possible for a frequency of 2-3 days and only after that to carry out this campaign of putting up leaflets or coloring or whatever

this person planned was done in the occupied territories, unfortunately we will find out how many crimes the occupiers also commit in the occupied territories but i am sure that we will also find out how many heroes we have in ukraine who are already operating in the occupied territories and they are doing everything to bring our victory closer, thank you highly maneuverable and mobile units destroy the enemy in the air on land and at sea during the war the air force proved its loyalty to the ukrainian people showed that neither on earth nor in the sky will the occupier have peace

that borscht but victory will be for what's new is the marathon, the only news, and then we'll talk about literature, because during the war, you shouldn't forget about books, children of airborne alarms, that's the name of the new book by the ukrainian writer larisa denysenko , it will be published soon, but for now you can read online a book about children and war, the author hopes that her new work will allow parents and teachers to talk with children about surviving, i will see denysenko, also a lawyer, our colleague olena ramovska talked with her not only about literature , but also about the causes of crimes that russia is committing in ukraine. i really wanted to to help both children and

parents to find a point of support in the situation in which we all find ourselves, and a book that encourages conversation, a book that can drive away fears can help with this ms. larisa i congratulate you on public thank you for coming to us, it is not an easy task for me since you are both a writer and a lawyer and now under these conditions i have a question for you both as a writer and as a lawyer, well, let's start with probably the biggest news for me after the start of a full-scale invasion you have a new children's book, it's called children of air anxiety, it can be found in the open access in paper form i understand it will be a little later and i read it, it's about children who experience air anxiety rubber bands and in the basement, and i had a question

: is this really a children’s book and is it really about children? it seems to me that all of us currently have the experience of people with air anxiety, because ah, we can see if we look at the map of ukraine, and it is alarming to absolutely everyone therefore, it was mostly written for children, because i really wanted to help children and parents to find some kind of support. and in the situation in which we all found ourselves, a book that encourages conversation, a book that can drive away fears can help this, and that's why this book appeared. the text, but it's not true, to some extent it was therapy for me because i saw a lot and heard a lot of children's voices. and who were there ? and these are children who could be in volnovas sit who could be in kyiv and in mariupol

and in odesa and in raisins in kharkiv, and since i wrote this is the first week of march, that is, mostly, it seems to me that most of us were in a state of shock. about this to speak and transform this painful experience, and in our power it is such a mini-ii of the stories of different children in different parts of ukraine during the air raid , and in particular, kyiv. where were you after february 24? are you and i staying here now? of personal experience, it is possible to actually hear stories from children who may have been with you. and you know in these books there are very few fictional stories because every child and

every family has completely realistic prototypes, it actually started from that beginning this text was inspired by the true story of a little girl from kolomyia who was born in the basement of a hollow during an air raid, it happened on february 25, and since at that time i was tracking all the stories that happened to children, that is, i already saw at that time how many children died, how many children were injured, how many children leave with their mothers and grandmothers and fathers from abroad or simply leave their homes to the west of ukraine. the stories of children who corresponded with their classmates to find out how you are and where you are, and for me that was the star and the

final point was the story of danyla, who was not even born at that time, already on april 8 of this year, he was born, this is the child of my friend, we all met the new year together for a year, it was very symbolic for me to hold on to this story and believe that maybe it will let up a little. of the russian occupiers from kyiv and kyiv region and chernihiv region. this book will obviously be printed. yes, it is available online - it is not pirated reading, it is not pirated reading. it can be downloaded and read on the borabok portal, and it is freely

available, and it will be published as a book later, the publishers promise that it will happen in july or august of this year. and why will it be published later because the moment of synchronizing the visual part and the text part was important here. and you already mentioned that this is quite a sensitive text and it was very important to combine it with successful sensitive illustrations and one-off elena london actually completed the illustration, you can also see several illustrations on the pages of the publishing house and on facebook and olena, and i actually have this too, you can see how the cover looks like, in the language of the picture, we offer to talk with children and adults, because it seems to me that one of these parts of therapy thanks to this book, there will be just pictures or

remember how it all happened or remember what supported me during these times and the children will simply draw their own stories and you say that you wrote it in the first week of march at the same time i see that some of your fellow writers even as of now, they say that they cannot write the way you write. and what does it depend on? you saw the story and were able to write it down under these conditions. you know, during this time, i had two such creative ups and downs. it's just children air alarms, which they were mostly motivated to write, and the output in foreign languages ​​should go to her mother and my work with information advocacy with foreign audiences of various kinds . that is, it was necessary to speak on a sensitive topic as about women defenders in general, and the direct focus of the topic of discrimination in helping children and women and therefore, if the

children's topic was constantly on my broadcasting agenda when i was involved in speaking with germans, austrians, americans, americans , frenchmen, and swedes, that is, it was very broad foreign audiences where there are always quite scary things for us and for them that concern a-a, in particular, children's trauma during the war and since it was first published in finland, then picked up a-a edition of this book by a lot of publishing houses. currently, there are eight countries where it published in different languages, and for each of these books i wrote an introduction where i actually thanked the governments and people of this or that country for supporting ukraine and told the situation that at the time of writing my introduction

concerned the children of ukraine in numbers in facts a-a in enough of such digital on the one hand and on the other hand empathic messages. here is this work, she somehow directed me to write children of air alarms and then one poem was born by itself, which now you can even hear. viktor morozov wrote the music and the song and he called this poem e- e waltz of the bones and it came to me on the night a-a before the catholic easter, which was also very difficult for me as a roman catholic, because i am still very , very sensitive to the behavior of the pope. and you know, i remember my texts very poorly but it begins roughly like this,

death pulls the child's hand and says they have come, this is my land, look how many of us you can't pull all of us in at once, and it ends with the fact that death is calling for god, it cannot find him, there is anxiety and god is hidden, i understand each and every one of my female classmates to write texts, well, especially artistic texts, it is very difficult for the book and her mother, who at one time made a bit of a fuss in ukraine, was part of some uh audience that considered her unacceptable, however, now this book has become one of the tools of help ah

, to ukrainian children, because foreign publishers are now publishing this book, it is with you. of ukraine. yes, it has already been published in germany, finland, sweden, great britain, estonia, and it is published in lithuania and the netherlands. these are new editions, by the way, i am very happy with the approach of our polish colleagues, because they published the book in polish and ukrainian at the same time. bilingual and well, it seems to me that this is also important, there is a moment of support for mothers and children who are currently in poland, a lot of them are in poland and you can generally see a book that they may have already read or just a book that is very connected to ukraine and read together with children and learn polish yes, accordingly, read ukrainian and have a and

hour friends eh this is yukey hmm great britain my it was very important that it came out a-ah this book is in english because actually it is also sold in stores and not in particular and in general well, all over great britain and there are also a lot of our mothers with children, and this is also very important in order to touch a little and not lose touch with ukrainian literature and the english teacher, too, because it is very well written, just this book and therefore, it is very, very encouraging to study simple and familiar words that you have found in ukrainian. now the child can reproduce it in english, but i noticed that now the name is translated as has and her friends. so this is an attempt to somehow soften the moment of its time became spicy for ukrainian audience and no, we decided that

since this book is about ukrainian children, well, we just need to shift the focus to well, actually , to the children that this book talks about, because the ukrainian version is also before well, it tells about 17 types of families and, accordingly, children who live in love in these families and therefore decided it was the publishers' decision, well, it's not mine that it will be published, and in fact it seems to me that all of these books are in other languages, but they sound just like you and friends, so at the very end, i have a few more questions for you as well as to a lawyer, i am a person who works with law and laws. in your opinion , in general, to what extent is the existing system of international law generally capable of responding to the crimes that

ukrainian children and ukrainian adults are now witnessing in ukraine, you know if you look at the fact that there were appropriate special tribunals for crimes committed in the territory of the former yugoslavia, there is a special tribunal about roland, and many people were convicted, many people were punished, and they were not easy, but these there were a lot of tribunal sessions and they were very long in time, and it seems to me that we all need to understand that international criminal justice, in particular, justice is not as fast as we would like it to be, even national justice, in fact, is absolutely not that fast and this request for speedy justice uh, it will satisfy, but over time. well, i am an international lawyer,

i cannot help but believe in international law, otherwise you don’t need to do it, because if you are desperate for something, then you should retrain and engage in something else, eh, you think you wrote about this in view of the obvious view of your work and the fact that, in particular, you are currently working with cases of sexual violence, that we are talking about the genocide of the ukrainian people, eh, you think that because there are many disputes around this term, that ukraine it will be possible to prove that russia is committing genocide against ukraine, you know, i really hope so, because i have recently structured various war crimes that our people are experiencing, facing, and dying from a lot, in fact, if you look at it from the classical classical dimension and i apologize for the genocide, then it turns out that we are facing, in particular, we are facing what is being

erased identically, what does this mean in temporarily occupied cities in towns in the regions, and children, for example, are forced to learn the russian language, to forget ukrainian history, ukrainian culture, this is what happens here right now, when we are talking about the cultural topic, this is happening in mariupol, this is happening in kherson, this is happening in energodar, this is one moment, this is actually very a serious moment of war crime and genocide when it is psychological violence and very deep violence when they erase your identity just like a memory yes it is to some extent a lobotomy so that you can imagine it as if you