who are experiencing what they are facing and from whom our people are dying and dying, in fact there are a lot of them if you look at it from the classical classical dimension and i apologize for the genocide, then it turns out that what we are facing, in particular, we are facing what is being erased is identical, what does this mean in the temporarily occupied cities in the towns in the regions and children, for example, are forced to learn russian and forget ukrainian history and ukrainian culture, this is happening right now, when you and i are talking about cultural issues, this is happening in mariupol this is happening in kherson this is happening in energodar this is one moment this is actually a very serious moment of war crime and genocide when it is violence psychological and very deep violence when your identity is erased just like a memory yes it is to some extent a lobotomy so you can imagine it it's like you're all a part of

the brain that remembers your mother's lullabies very much and gets packed there completely different content and it's like you just become a completely different person this is one aspect the second aspect is a forced deportation which that is, people are taken to filtration camps on the territory of belarus, the temporarily occupied territory, the territory of the russian federation, there actually is a population russification of people there, and that is, it is also a friction of identity, it is a process of intimidation, well, actually, sexual sexual violence, why is it considered terrorism and a weapon of war, because it concerns not only women , children and men who experience sexual violence are in whole and it concerns military men and women. it concerns all people because it scares you because it is violence which is frightening because a person finds himself in absolute helplessness and he cannot protect himself and cannot defend himself, this is also a moment that actually concerns

genocide and food terror, among other things, for our country . there is a memory of the gene, and the memory is passed down through the generations, and the actual famine, which was recognized as genocide in certain countries, was not recognized as genocide by certain countries, but this is our firmware, and when it comes to food terror, we are talking about hunger. the export of grain theft this affects the entire nation extremely strongly and this is also part of the genocide , this is at least just a few aspects, i can continue this indefinitely, it is a lie, that is, the fact that they launch rockets and seize nuclear power plants, this is environmental and nuclear terror, which greatly affects the people who are and

independence is afraid that an incredible ecological disaster can happen, this is also part of genocide, the fact that people leave their cities, their villages - this is what is anti-ror, intimidation, i am pushing you out of your lands. this is also an element of genocide, that is, there is the very view here, sufficiently broad grounds to work and build a system and a legal position regarding what is happening here and now in connection with this. and i have one last question for you, both as a lawyer and as a writers, in your opinion, how did genocide become possible in europe in the 21st century? and you know, it is very difficult for me to answer this question because for a long time i did not think at all and did not study what modern russia lives like. that

and how did everything happen there during putin's rule and before, but what i see as one of the elements of why this is happening, why it is happening to us, is the acceptance of violence in one's society as a norm in them, in particular, it is not criminalized domestic violence . means that the state, society, and family are absolutely acceptable to beat psychologically and destroy the devaluation of the closest people, but just imagine that the whole country lives in the perception that whoever is stronger here has the right to commit violence and no one will punish him saw in the telephone conversations of the russian military with what kind of wives and mothers this is, too , from your words, what does the witness look like. but there is an

expert who is absolutely sure about this, that is, here what happens is that people are used to uh and used to live with the acceptability of violence when they are told that in another in general, subhumans live in the country, that is, people who, uh, do not deserve to be human at all, and very powerful dehumanization is coming from all the channels, including television and newspapers and telegram channels, and when the army is directed here, well, very well, hmm, i don’t i think that these are written orders. although this is not excluded . but there is an instruction that actually you can do everything, but you understand one order, hardly anyone can doubt it, but in a match, it is acceptable for me, when they give such an order that i can kill a child, and then the main thing begins role because a

person who lives in violence accepts violence as a norm in relation to his own and completely lets go of himself when it concerns others. we are different for them and we are a danger for them. were destroyed, how did we all allow this to happen to the whole world ? well, once upon a time, the same questions were asked, and when the genocide in urandi took place, it happened not so long ago , and actually, if you look at the second world war, it is not a distance of even a hundred years , thank you all for this conversation, thank you it was an interview with the ukrainian writer and lawyer larisa denysenko, next to international affairs, a representative office of the

belarusian opposition leader svitlana tykhanovskaya was created in ukraine. my colleague andrii dekhtyarenko spoke with valery kovalevskyi, the head of the cabinet of its representatives, about the risks of the direct intervention of the belarusian army in the war, the future fate of lukashenka, and about how belarusian emigrants live in ukraine. the ukrainian answers the questions in belarusian, and everything is clear without problems. we understand that the victory of ukraine in this war will also determine our future. you and i agreed that i will ask questions in ukrainian and you will answer in belarusian because, in principle , the representatives of our two peoples understand each other. what do you think of your representation? is opening now in kyiv, what fate can be

andrey, thank you for the invitation, i will elaborate here, there is more, i was born on the border with ukraine, 20 km literally, and there is quite a lot, well, the influence of the ukrainian thread of language, but also culture and cuisine , and music может единство а-а еготог to me it's so simple eh and here i feel myself and understand the ukrainian language and something is the office of svetlana svanovskoy in kyiv, and there are several tasks that we want to perform first on a-ah let's say personal, we want to show что sopranoe belorussia is on the sidelines with ukrainians in these difficult times , and it is known that the lukashenka embassy has left kyiv for diplomats, and there is no borscht here, then god is actually the only official representation of belarusians in ukraine, as of today , you are sitting in the same building as here belarus, what will you be, it remains early that we, i understand with

lukashenka, i do not see, this question will revolve in the future, but now for us it is not such an important place where we plant, what is important to us is here to help with ukrainians from the ukrainian people, but it is also important and helpful for us to deal with the problems that arose before the belarusians after the war at the beginning of the war. it is no secret that the reaction to the belarusians after this has become so sharp that people associate the belarusians who live here in ukraine with lukashenka and this is really unfortunate, because many hidden people appeared here, and it was precisely because of the pro- revolution of the 20th year, protests, and because the repressions that swept across belarus forced many people to leave, and ukraine was one of the many of the popular ones went to the fate of western europe with olive oil, and here in ukraine , and with the beginning of the war, tens of thousands of belarusians were also forced to go to the european border because of how in anti-belarus, what kind of people are

left here now, they feel the deterioration of the attitude towards them on the part of ukrainians, those who get old here, uh, i'm low, do it, and it's fundamental. i don't want to leave ukraine. i don't want to give up with the ukrainians. of hunters who fight primarily as part of the armed forces of ukraine. people's car well, when it helps its ukrainians, i would say so that today, uh, to cause stavlen to belor , such situations occur, well, what you see shows that stavlenie nastezhnoe vremya and how is yours the representative office can help these people who now have some problems in ukraine. what can you do? we turned to the national bank of ukraine,

for example, at the request of a resident of pirhorod, a heterosexual interest rate is also from the executive power, and this is by special bodies that help us verify people and show what it is. people in which are frozen accounts, they did not have any judges with the regime that they do not imagine threats to ukraine, this is such a very complicated process, but this is not progress, but after solving problems, yes, belarusians it would be important for us to work in the entire information sphere, as if the prose of cancellation of information, together with the elimination of propaganda of disinformation the fact that varva will not allow the russian army to enter ukraine, the belarusian public understood what the following is, but also remind the belarusian public that the enemy here is not ukrainians, they can hear you on the other side of the ukrainian border, of course, and we we work not only from ukraine, but we work from

lithuania, from poland and from other countries, because objective information is applied to the belarusians, it is put together, and you will find that in the past, they were good enough. all independent honey in belarus was destroyed. many who were forced to go abroad will restore themselves beyond the border and it is not so easy, of course, because the resources are actually obsolete without machinery, they will earn their own money, and we can also see free mostysk from that side as russian propaganda uh, the bridge is working, which resource is being managed, that the lukashenko regime completely associates itself now with moscow, and in fact i am repeating the propaganda that is from moscow to belarus, it is the same, it is the same solution, valery what do you think why these dictatorial regimes as in moscow and minsk turned out to be so strong that even the democratic will of the people can't

do anything about them. so far, i don't think i'm a bridge to things myself. they're tough. i now admit that the rule is maxim guetta's secrets in a hurry, but that 's it. time tactical haste, we see that both in belarus and lukashenko, his regime, and russia in ukraine, in fact, have rejected all the rules, all the rules of conduct, and international law has been completely crossed out, no one pays attention to the restrictions prescribed in the geneva conventions . ah-ah, what we impenet total neutrality, god, belarusians should not be earth-moving, not in principle , and that lukashenko broke the friendship with ukraine, where it was also written that her otnovlyatsya, the tanks are guaranteed, no attack is mutual, eh, it's like a session with a chessboard, eh, one god plays chess, and the other - sits with a painless fight, of course, the others, eh, there will be a certain advantage, but not all the

time a-and that's why eh- when the predators are in a hurry, i’m not absolutely tactical, and time remains in its place. you yourself slandered that there is a risk that the belarusian army will still cross this border and take part in aggression, armed aggression, in fact, in the occupation of russian ukraine, and how much is that probably now such a threat was in the sapling a sometime at the beginning of the war, conversations were being prepared about the belarusian community and the belarusian army as a part of this community, they did not allow it . understood especially today in the context of today's thing lukashenka has already made his anti-ukrainian elections and that he started a ready war and this war was started by him as well together with putin ion started a ready war even before february 24 his rhetoric is like this

voev i insult the enemy's contempt for the leadership of ukraine about the fact that ukrainians and ukrainians have lost their way and they have lost their way there, they must return this goethe of ilona slavism, there i will show you five e-e ways from where there should be an attack on belarus, so i remember my choice s did and he violated the law and he violated international law. jan was happy for the ukrainians and he also offended the belarusians because he invited and allowed the russian troops to enter our territory, thereby creating a threat to our statehood because we cannot understand that the russian economy of belarus is the same as they analyze the ukrainians, and they are supposedly temporarily independent in sambrech, because your language is so bad that the language of statehood is being renewed and the identity is agreed upon, and the ukrainians are fighting so fiercely for themselves, and this is also the reason that it is so harsh. wars do you think lukashenko should sit on the dock together with putin in the international criminal court as

a person who is guilty of the genocide of ukrainians, absolutely the one who is guilty of the crime of waging a war against ukraine aggressively that is, that you have something to do with war crimes in ukraine, in buchey, in irpen, in other cities, that's what we saw, that's why i deserve a place in the tribunal, eh, yon also committed a crime and a super ten thousand belarusians, eh, a super crime человекности е-э что отбывается already almost 2 years in belarusians for this , and there will be punishment, and you are very often, in fact, now you live in other countries of eastern europe, in poland, in lithuania, as now there are hundreds of belarusians, also for a certain time immediately after the beginning during the war, there was such a reaction in some countries , and we are working with the governments of those countries because the legislation was adopted when it did not discriminate against belarusians, only because i don’t

have port crew, how would they limit their rights, but with of all these countries from poland, lithuania, well , the features of the match are free, strong support for the cart during the war, regional solidarity made seven for us final for all its last neighbors, but poland, lithuania, very very rassushyna is patrolled , one of the recent news is that the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, granted ukrainian citizenship to oleksandr nevzorov, known to the russian public, who was an emperor for a very long time before that , and in ukraine they treat this mostly negatively, because in general the so-called good russians are considered such a soft power of the kremlin . and what do you think about this, and you will have dinner for me at the get-time stage, i will send bread to you about heteroshenie a-a in the citizenship of nevzorov and i thought about the belarusian volunteers are fighting here, and what kind of problems do they have with

venzhya? well, you know, they have a temporary right to reside in ukraine with bank accounts. i don’t think so. and what if i will be captured, for example, by the russians ? people can be sent back to belarus, and there they are super, yes, in fact, and yes, what can be done with the ukrainian government, you and people who do not arm themselves with a word, and at times, fighting with their lives and health, compete on the side of the ukrainians, and now , in fact, no concessions, so to speak, to these people who fight with weapons in their hands on the side of ukraine , our government does not do, and i am talking about such games that it would not be good if the government also paid attention to this. i remember that after the 14th year, when a lot of well- wishers from belarusians also fought on the side of the ukrainians, it was a problem, uh, people couldn’t after the injection of military money, they couldn’t

raise the same basic questions: how does he live here, how does he live here, what is their status here? i don’t say citizenship there because it’s already well, it seemed that such loose underwear was serious status, did you try to meet with the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, and raise this issue before the government? meeting with president zelensky is my task, uh, the housekeeper of what happened when svetlana tikhonovskaya shot the president in ukraine, and that would be the culmination of the work, uh, here, uh, no, not because it would be there at the end of the work. simply would show how we in the 71st, how we evaluate the potential of our two-pack relatives, how we will be a hemozyme because this is today's operation, that is, we are starting problems from today's day. eh, it's early, later. and

now we have to think about how our countries will be. stood and this limited us in our matches, of course, we understand that lukashenko looked after himself only for the expense, but our forces today will change the format of the match for the future . now there are such riotous formations, and how is the kalinov regiment, the pogonya regiment, a-a solemnity, a lot of white men, which are scattered throughout the armed forces, not in large groups, these single ones, and well, i applied to the ministry of defense for geopolitical estimates requests to conduct such and such. here is such and such information , and such information did not appear in the field, and i also know that in fact, at first, there was opposition to, uh,

lukashenko's last attempt to drink the government. i mean the 2020 elections, belarusian social networks turned out to be one of the most powerful in the post-soviet space. now some other channels, as objective as they are, also cover the events related to this war in ukraine . well, that's the belarusian democratic community , independent media, uh, it's definitely on the side of ukraine. it's just not, there's no doubt for us, it 's become our problem as well and the one that we illuminate as much as possible and water and experts and journalists and we see now well-wishers the same thing who go from all over goethe appears no non-centralized than this is a somewhat organized movement and that is the sanction that this time is an organic reaction of the belarusians to post-zee

ukraine. in this the war is the same way our future is determined, that's why we try so hard to help there because we know that yours will be more stability and security when belarus will be sooner under the control of lukashenka who remains under the control of putin and the kremlin whoever was there after putin, he can also control lukashenko against ukraine, so when we want to grow the problem with the ghetto, we must to think about how to solve the problem of lukashenka, the last question, the war ended, how do you see the future of belarus and the russian federation as well 100 to the belarusians, so uh, we will eventually strive every day towards that how to bring the country to one of democratic changes, as if the power returned to

the people, determined by the people what are our foreign political priorities? and how would we deal with whom? we are not the same person with you, but who is capricious , who has his own complexes and what is his ambition to become the tsar of russia, yes. and the people accepted this the solution is final against the background of this war of aggression against the background of such inappropriate behavior and criminal behavior in russia, we will have to revise the agreement from this ukraine. we cannot have a greater union with russia. in those e-e organizations of the akb and there the same and these other matches, we will have to maintain no sloppy relations, but we also understand that belarus e-e belongs to the european family and we need to strengthen and, understand, mass ties with the european union eh, for me personally, for many belarusians, it is

just as important to develop something new from ukraine. the belarusian people are ready for such changes. of course, they will be ready. thousands, again, no one asked anyone, no one bribed, people went out, people were in need, people were arrested, they came out and again they went, uh, confrontation, we will achieve treason on that, yes, people, people who want readiness, no one is absolute, but we want to lead on this path, we we want to do from our achievements and our mistakes, learn from them and move on. thank you very much, valery, we understand each other very well. and this is a good sign. thank you. with us with us with us and more we will repair we will bind up we will win every day news together we are strong beloved i thank you

for the days and nights we have experienced it is every dawn of life for my family for food on my table for a roof not with with my head thank you for another day of life next to the people i love god bless my ukraine grant us children's smiles and birds singing classics golden fields sunny shine on a clear sky will gather the residents of my blooming ukraine protect the brave soldiers of ukraine ready to give their lives for peace on their homeland lands melon that all the war has gone from our lives forever amen unconquered cities of ukraine dnipro

space capital of ukraine with the longest embankment in europe and the shortest subway was born on the site of cossack land owners nicknames and weaknesses lessons hitler's occupation, they all shot from 17 to 21,000 jews in the dnipro after the expulsion of the nazis, it remained under the attack of enemy aircraft, but it did not stop working for victory, as it does not stop, and now it is the first to meet those who are fleeing from the war and, despite everything, reliably holds the rear of the dnipro people, just space and the dnipro unconquered odessa can sleep peacefully as long as

it is protected by our soldiers she is not at all mocked by their new planes meet dmitry tomylov and blocked two bombers thanks to the falcon district i launched a missile catch-up flew in after him and shot down the newest russian fighter jet , we even shot them down at an angle, saved 25 crew members, for which he received an award from the president , victory is with us, with us, right, glory to the heroes , glory to ukraine, we will intercept, we will win, we can brush the news together, we are strong in ukraine, the marathon is going on, the only news is my name anna cherednychenko , the information guard, has something in common here and just now offers to listen to the fresh address of president volodymyr zelenskyi ukrainian all our defenders

and will protect 10 people who are still in hospitals there was no tactical or strategic sense in this strike, as in the absolute majority of other russian strikes, this is simply terror. among the victims, a girl is 12 years old. she is from kharkiv. she went to ternopil region to escape from the russian army. these facts will now determine the perception of russia in the world. peter i is nowhere tolstoy to dress children wounded and killed by russian strikes today is already the 109th day of a full-scale war, but far from it means the ninth day when we tell our partners a very simple thing in the country we need systems of modern of anti-missile defense, the supply of such systems was possible this year and last year and even earlier , to be honest

. by our means since february 24, these are lives that could have been saved, these are tragedies that could have been prevented if ukraine had been listened to. the key tactical goal of the occupiers has not changed. very brutal fighting continues literally every meter and they are also pushing in the direction of lysychansk , bakhmut sloviansk, etc. the russian army is trying to establish reserve forces in donbas, but what reserves can they have now it looks like they will try to throw poorly trained conscripts into battle and those who were gathered at the expense of hidden mobilization, the

russian generals consider their people simply as cannon fodder, which they need to ensure an advantage in the number of manpower in the number of military equipment, and this means only one thing russia can cross in june the limit of 40 thousand of their lost soldiers in any other war for many decades they have not lost so much prepared an address to the american jewish committee today in new york the global forum organized by the committee began this is one of the most influential structures that greatly helps to promote solutions for our defense called on them redouble our efforts so that we get more modern weapons and more financial support for our state so that we can