the relationship with the situation that is happening also we are engaged in we have the infrastructure for this precisely in the context of e-e connections and people who are in the european union e-e in the context of the occurrence of e-e one of the main projects we are engaged in is the revival villages, villages, which was er, which died , not not in the context of the invasion. and before that, we want to make an autonomous eco-settlement there and precisely to attract to this initiative resettlers who want to work, who have a lot of energy, and the russians simply took this resource from them and did not give the opportunity to do this and thank you, antony, for your work and for participating in the espresso tv channel's informational and analytical marathon anton yaremchuk , co-founder of the public organization baza yua we are

moving on, but there is important news. therefore, the summit of the european union should be held soon, where the future fate of our potential membership in that is, it refers to granting ukraine the status of a candidate for joining the european union . of course, this is not full membership, but it is, so to speak, an extremely serious promise to marry with the european union is on the threshold of a historic decision regarding ukraine, said the head of the european commission, usula von der leyen. i hope that in 20 years, remembering these events, we will be able to say that we did the right thing, that is, we can see that there is hope. well, in the next couple of weeks, let's hope that no one will impose anything. and i see that they are starting gently, but still, euro officials, european officials, to process all responsible and relevant decisions regarding

ukraine, persons and also officials in the relevant direction. notes that ukraine has a place in the european family, we have to think about it seriously but will these efforts be enough to convince those who are not even guided by reflections on ukraine in the eu how their interests in the context of the european union will be seen in the near future by officials they convince not with signs, not with sermons, but with deeds. therefore, ukraine must present the implementation of several very important cases, this concerns law enforcement activities, anti-corruption activities, and we also understand this are you referring to the decision of the state power system of people with very difficult biographies and backgrounds in brussels, this is extremely expected, we can continue our broadcast in the sense of talking with

our online guests and based on the previous e-e several said thesis a-a war and children and the last information that we have in this context, for one second, i just have to provide it, uh, in total, 288 children died as a result of russia's armed aggression against ukraine, 527 children were injured , in total, as of june 13, victims of there are 815 children of the russian war. these are the data of the prosecutor general 's office and they are very, very modest. perhaps even detached from reality. because we simply do not have access to those territories that are currently occupied , contact us. for the 21st year, the founder of the national movement to save children from war, we will save ukraine, mykola, we congratulate you

. that they are hostages and the military situation and very often the decision of their parents, there are various reasons why adults refuse to evacuate, you can talk about them, but one way or another, i am watching the emergence of some legal conflicts that they plan to discuss with you with the permission of the co-host and from all of our colleagues, the shelling continues, so volunteers are trying to persuade people to evacuate together with children, children who are already conscious in order to outline what they feel and so that they want to leave this horror, for example articulates quite clearly even during shelling . as far as i understand, volunteers very often find themselves at the forks of kyiv, or criminal liability for leaving them in danger is also provided for in our country, or acts with signs of almost

kidnapping, because under shelling you simply very often have no physical opportunities. sorry to run . and look for the parents of these children in bomb shelters, and they are very often found in the donbas. well, in the open, despite the fact that the fire is constantly being fought, what to do, mykola, we are faced with this quite often, because our evacuation teams constantly rescue families with children under fire and there are cases when the child is either without the supervision of adults or volunteers see that this is not a prosperous family that simply does not want even when they see that there is a threat to life and health to take the child away. of course, the law stipulates that this is the responsibility of local bodies and services, of which it is clear that the bodies in the war zones simply do not have it, so quite often these people

are faced with the fact that they want to save the child's life and there are no legal grounds for this. again the law requires reporting, but who to report, what to report to the hotline, whom to report, it is clear that under these circumstances, quite often these people make a decision to take such a child away, and i, again, just recently, after one of these conflicts, the child was transferred to the appropriate service for children's affairs e.e. to e.e. dnipro of the dnipropetrovsk region well, and also in other regions, so there is only one way out if someone becomes aware that there is a threat to the life and health of a child and you can save this child, it is clear that you must to take such a child away but again, immediately report to the police that such a child is with me, report the circumstances if it is possible to film, if

it is possible to take photos so that, again, there are no accusations of kidnapping later, see the social security agencies and their work in the areas adjacent to the front lines as far as i understand , they are now too far from the front. it is true. and it is also true that even before the war, there were quite often complaints about the work of the employees of the relevant bodies, which were untimely they responded even to messages when there was a threat to the life and health of the child, so in these situations i would act in such a way that, well, i had such a situation when i saw that the child was entering with his mother in the basement, i did not enter. then we go to the apartment, the shelling there decreased i see everything just cluttered, well , it's not an apartment. it's just a garbage dump. so i

persuaded the child and the mother to leave and took them to the controlled territory. well, it was controlled only under shelling, but in a territory where there is no such shelling. later decisions were made by the relevant services, but here, if our teams are working under intense shelling, there is no time even to go and find out. well, in this chaos and in a terrible situation, when there is a threat, it is clear to you and others that there is very little time to to make some kind of conscious legal decision , so again, so that there are no accusations, then in the case of kidnapping, it is necessary to film as much as possible, take pictures of someone, ask, after all, where is the mother, where is the father, in order to collect as much

data as possible. you'll see this question i'll just remind you i have it there by international human rights organizations but nevertheless well, it's possible if it would save a life i the legal side is practical yes well you know the first such bells i still met you remember the shelling of mariupol the first after the first invasion when even people's deputies approached me and said, mykola, come on, let's take the buses, we're ready to take everyone out, just grab the children there and take them out because we don't want the children to suffer further, i stopped them then because it's from a point of view, this is impossible, but the parents are responsible for the children, they are the legal representatives, but you know when i see them under fire and i personally talk to the parents and

say look, here you are sitting in the basement, here are the fires. well, what are you waiting for, you know and how would you look to the parents, yes, it’s quite calm, and we’ll wait, and then you talk to the child, he says, listen, it’s scary, yes, it’s scary, would you like to go there or would you like to go to another territory where there is no shelling, yes, i would really like to, and you talk to the parents, and they just glass eyes no we we will wait here, and in these circumstances, even you and i can be qualified as malicious failure to fulfill the duties of caring for a child or a person for whom guardianship or guardianship has been established. and this is punishable by restriction of freedom for a period of two to five years or deprivation of liberty for the same period, look, according to the existing law, it cannot be qualified like that, you see, there is a conflict in this, according to the law, because they are legal representatives, they are preparing something there, they take care of the child, and that is all, that is, here

it is no longer possible to qualify, and even if you and i talked about qualifying under certain circumstances, who will qualify, who will make the decision, well, definitely not a volunteer, the state needs to make a decision today, and i am also appealing to the government to the relevant authorities, please, today thousands of children can be said and tens of thousands and should someone understandably make these decisions if we go for evacuation, we are ready to take representatives of the authorities to evacuate, please thank you for this comprehensive analysis, i would like to clarify what the situation is on the other side it is in particular about the orphanages, how ready are they now to be replenished? yes, and is the story with additional funding being resolved now, you

mean in the occupied territories, i mean in the unoccupied territories, the orphanages which, in the event of something, well, they should be insured and accommodated and sheltered children who were forced to leave or children who lost their parents or some special programs, look at in western ukraine and er central ukraine those who could have accepted already accepted those who could have been taken out already there are quite a lot of orphanages who left abroad who were already there three months ago, if there is no great need, there is a need to save those who remained in the occupied territories, unfortunately, we have such institutions and people quite often sit here without a salary again, the government needs to make a decision on how to compensate them for their wages, it is clear that the

occupation authorities intimidate these people, there are cases when these people are transported, it is clear that we have no control there, but the situation is quite complicated the temporarily occupied territory was evacuated. yes, no, they were not evacuated, they could be taken out where they could be taken out, they had to be taken out, again, there were no green corridors, again , i don’t want to complain now, because we all know, let’s assume those regions where quite quickly uh, they were occupied, and of course it was very difficult for the authorities to organize an evacuation, especially for seriously ill children, in that situation, but now, uh, there is another problem, the problem is that putin signed the law for literally two weeks that allows er to give citizenship to ukrainian children. and what about the fact that today er 240,000 children are taken to the territory of the russian

federation and quite often they are separated from their parents by sending their parents to filtration camps, there are cases when children simply no, this is kidnapping if they are taken away or it is deportation together with the family , but with this law, it is quite easy to separate a child from their parents, grant russian citizenship and the right to russian citizens to establish these children or take them under guardianship, we can call it it's like genocide. that is, it's a continuation of the genocide they're doing today, killing our population and killing our children. and now they want to give russian citizens the opportunity to adopt their families for adoption, again, how do you call it? in a different way than genocide, what are those

people who, and sometimes not people, are ready to kill today because they are all stitched with this propaganda that ukrainians are just enemies, let them accept our children well, why? in order to mock continue to abuse them, there are some different legal ones, we understand that this practice is truly genocidal well, but we understand that it cannot be so easily let go, on the other hand, we understand that russia massively withdrew from all possible international organizations and conventions, so today, in essence , there is very little control but i will tell you more about two weeks since the law was signed. have you seen some loud statements by international organizations? you have even seen expressions of concern. i am not saying that about certain actions. that today quite often we are left alone with this problem, our children are left alone and we

communicate with you. we are waiting for support from international organizations that should have an impact, but unfortunately we do not find it today. the authorized representative of the president of ukraine on children's rights in the 14th and 21st years, the founder of the national movement to save children from war, we will save ukraine thank you for what you do for the children of ukraine and for your work on the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel summing up this hour talk in general about the declaration of human rights in connection with the war and contact us alyona lunyova director of advocacy of the center for human rights alyona's change we congratulate you glory to ukraine i salute the heroes the word filtering carried out by the russians in the occupied territories most of all this concerns mariupol or, lord, it was azov’s crucible, of course, we all need to be

swindled, and don’t they have any relation to the ukrainian defenders at all? we have very careful data that there may be a large the number of ukrainian citizens, residents of mariupol who did not undergo filtering, why does the russian federation filter ukrainians so much, what do these filters look like and, in the end, what are they, what are they looking for and want to find? unfortunately, in march , the concept of filtering appeared in our daily lexicon, you know, filtering camps, filtering measures because the russian federation , through its proxies, directly through the russian army , conducted and continues to conduct these measures against ukrainian citizens are really looking for it is not clear what they are trying to interpret the tattoo, they are trying to find family ties, they are trying to figure out in the phone which applications were deleted, which messages were deleted, and in fact they are looking for a position that is not loyal to the russians, and they do not find it, of

course, because people lived their ordinary lives, while the russians did not come to our land, that is why they may be different about the ukrainian position with relatives in azov and in the armed forces of ukraine, so now we do not even know the number of people who are kept in the so-called filtration camps this is primarily men, and we have different, actually , different information about the goal, on the one hand, it is preventing the spread of the resistance movement, probably because mainly men of an age who can act against someone who is definitely suspected or from whom danger is felt, on the other hand , are under the crosshairs regarding olenivka, it is true. since march, we have been receiving information that ukrainian citizens are being received there, but at the moment it seems to me that olenivka has ceased to be such a single center . in novoazovsk they say that such

separate centers have been created for people who receive them, it is not clear, but we also have information that men there can change into military uniforms and pass themselves off as ukrainian military prisoners, and in this way the exchanges that we are learning to influence the ukrainian side are now mainly volynites these are military or people who have such a military background, about the number of people the russians keep in their filtration concentration camps, and it is said that there is no estimate at the moment, no one makes that estimate. well, for a discount. i think it is up to 10,000 for sure, but how much we don't really know, mrs. olena, wanted to clarify what the current situation is with the so -called missing people who have not passed the filtering procedures, well , sometimes there was information that they were simply killed, such information was indeed received, but such confirmation, in addition to the testimony of those who heard how the russian military among

themselves they are discussing there is no such evidence. well, plus the military who are detaining. they can say to a relative that you will not see him again. but are people really going somewhere or are they really killing us? at the moment, we cannot establish because we do not control the territory of the evidence that people are really being killed. at the moment, there is no evidence. oh, if we talk in general about the number of ukrainians who may be in the territory of the russian federation. i say they may be because we can talk about how many were deported. but not all ukrainians and they make a decision for themselves to stay on the territory of russia, this is the first time. they are trying to break out of there now, 2 million ukrainians can be there, this is recorded as a war crime and as forced deportation in particular, as far as i understand the international human rights organization, i do not know the responsibility for this crime, it will be

considered separately as a separate case or it will be attached to some general big case in the international court, e.e., simply as an additional component. and we will remind you that the bigger the case, the more segmented it is for individual crimes, the longer it will be considered, first of all, not all people who ended up on the territory of the russian federation are victims of forced removal or deportation of such a populist expression, so here we can not talk about two million victims who will undergo criminal proceedings, but it is very important to record. also , what is the departure of people, not what is voluntary but in the absence of another option, but what is actually abduction and removal by industrial order, such cases are recorded in ukraine, there are definitely criminal proceedings in the office of the prosecutor general regarding the non-deportation is indeed a war crime and it is hoped that the national proceedings will allow to identify as many victims of this criminal

proceedings we also hope that this is an episode for the investigation of the international criminal court, but here it must be understood that they will not interview all the witnesses, they will not even focus on all the episodes, most likely they will be the most vivid, the largest, not the most dangerous episode and will be qualified as war crimes or crimes against humanity will be considered there. therefore, we have hopes for national implementation and believe that the office of the prosecutor general and other law enforcement agencies should record as much as possible in more detail, the crime of deportation committed by the russian army against ukrainian citizens, look at him, how should we activate or awaken or deceive international human rights organizations? well, i have a feeling that there is some kind of plus-minus situation, and not armageddon, you understand, when whole cities are razed to the ground along with people and international containers.

that is, i do not hear about, for example, her participation in the situation with the release or exchange of our prisoners of war who were in mariupol. i do not see any mass actions of organizations that have always been distinguished by extremely colossal activity, when this one is about protecting the rights of animals that should not be allowed to wear fur coats . and tens of thousands of civilians have been killed in our country. so, i want to ask if there is some kind of bad communication, they understand to the end, they do not receive any guarantees , why at the international society, the international community is not so active, not relevantly active to the situation that is happening in ukraine, well, the international organization is of course very powerful, but they are not magicians and have influenced the russian federation, i.e. none, no other international community, the european union, the united states, can influence the russian federation on what they do in our

cities. do you think amnesties or other international organizations will be able to, actually, the russians have pushed out all human rights international organizations from their territory, and this once again proves the level, let's say, of to which the russians are ready to listen to international organizations of such a human rights interpretation, therefore i actually do not know whether the amnesty can do anything except to draw attention to violations and in detail to document these facts, to bring them to the international community and they do this and make statements , draw conclusions, for example, the last one regarding the sentence that was handed down to three soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine who are of foreign origin, which is precisely why it seems to me that international organizations do a lot. the question is that they are simply not omnipotent unfortunately, but you really think that they are doing a lot, i would like to ask you about the possible sufficient or insufficient activity of the same international red cross, so at work that in ukraine, and in particular, we still can't

find out what the situation is, in which i don't know what condition the prisoners of war from mariupol are in , that is, the international red cross, for example, they have as far as i understand, they do not allow the place of their temporary detention, but the international cross, so what is the problem makes this a huge problem, listen, these should be scandals for the whole world, because these are international organizations for a reason , clubs with interests, these are people and structures that receive powerful funding and carry a certain mission and we are used to trusting them, you know, we understand that if there are people who are professionally engaged in something, then we are calm. i don't know. i will have a counter question. if there is a scandal in the international committee of the red cross because they are not admitted, will this contribute to admission? i know that it will not help, because that is precisely why this rule was born about certain neutrality and closed some speeches or closed presentations and strategies for countries so that they are not public, because this is not helpful

in my opinion and according to international practice, it will not help in further actions, that is if the international is red enough, the international red cross has a tremendous reputation, even the nazis in the 40s invited representatives to the international red cross in order to prove that certain crimes that were committed were committed by stalinist russian soviet executioners, in particular, it is about the destruction of polish prisoners of war in katya, even the nazis were interested in using the testimony of this powerful organization. and now it seems that from the other side of the eye interventionists can feel impunity because there is an impression that some kind of internal power has disappeared or the need to prove has disappeared. well, for example , the presence of representatives of the international cross is like the best evidence that people are alive and receive food or access to medicine. the argument

is that this is not a question for the red cross, but to the russians, who are worse than the nazis, who don't care what the world will think of them, about observing the geneva conventions and vomiting . as much as he could and that's exactly why the people of baku could call their relatives, it's not because the so-called russian army or the so-called allowed them to do it, the red cross did it for or something . you can't rely on the international community as not like this will take something and solve it won't solve it because we are dealing with an insidious enemy who can actually disregard all the legal customs of war and can kill civilians i'm sorry by the thousands and then you do you think they will begin to adhere to the convention of letting the red cross in? it seems to me that this is simply not a question for the red cross, at least with regard to visiting our prisoners who are in

the same territory or other places where ukrainian prisoners are received, including the military defenders of australia here is the main claim well, simply so summarizing to those structures of the international day of the united nations and so on and so on and so on security cooperation organizations in europe osce so to which should be addressed about human rights organizations with a cry simply shouting demonstrating demonstrating and testifying thank you very much ms. lunyova alyona lunyova director of advocacy of the center for human rights the change worked in the informational marathon of the tv channel espresso from secrecy international quarreled a little and i would like to provide information that they processed, they confirm the guilt of russia in committing war crimes in ukraine the russian army shelled residential areas of kharkiv with cluster bombs and unguided rockets, their use against the civilian population is this is a war crime, the report of

an international human rights organization published today, and it is written about it, at least incidentally, well, let the hotels that sign up for reception and speak from the podium of the united nations, i say this without the benefit of the doubt, well, that is, everyone writes something from there and records it and so on. well, it 's not enough, it's not enough, i understand that it's important to do, but in our situation, it looks like you know how to prove that ukrainians are not deer, but everyone is trying now, well, that is, cluster bombs , war crimes, it's such an obvious story like you see white, you just say that it is white, and you see black, it says that it is black, but not the legal world. this is very appropriate in a very substantive way . all these procedures have to be passed in the courts, do we like it

or not? water in our cups and glasses angelika, is the miracle ready? i am already looking forward to giving you the word, so rest for now, colleagues, i will tell you the news, unfortunately, not all of the rashists have yet been sent by our defenders eternal sleep, as they say, however, minus 150 per day is not possible not to be happy , the enemy's equipment has also been destroyed and the enemy is actively hunting in donetsk region and luhansk region, unfortunately, there are civilian casualties, i will tell you the details in a moment , the 110th day of the russian-ukrainian war continues, for your attention, news on stress in the studio is working angela