yes, that's russia. by the way, it may not be financial . but there is political corruption. and what makes it better than another is absolutely nothing. that's why i think that these countries bear a special responsibility, and these are all the excuses we hear about why they can't give us weapons . why should russia be respected, why can't putin be allowed to lose face, it's all from the same category, unfortunately, it's what is called cynicism in foreign policy, you know , i'm still continuing your proceduralism, i found another very nice thing this week a quote from the ex-minister of the defense of great britain nine richards in an interview with the british publication telegraph said that in the west there is a strategy for russia, but his quote is a strategy called let's see how everything will turn out in other words - it is not a strategy at all, mr. volodymyr and what do you think is the truth, unfortunately, this is the

truth and uh, of this strategy, uh, well, it’s real. it couldn’t be more true. well, you can say it in another way, uh, for 30 years, there was a strategy, uh, let’s be friends with russia. give it to the country persuade, let's involve her in all possible and impossible international institutions, let's send a bunch of our experts there to train them, let's take them to us, so that there are four of them in place, and let's help them so that they don't die of hunger , well, that's how it actually started, and so on. and so on. well, what do we have? in the end, we have: in the end, what ? the cursed pods must burn together with the nazis in ukraine. and that other filth and nonsense that they have been carrying for at least 20 years of their televisions. well, you see in the west on it's a great pity that there are still those who want to keep putin, at least, and i'll tell you

honestly, with a certain sense of humor, i'm thinking about the next visit of the trinity of the mother of god to ukraine, and it will take place this thursday already. er and i am afraid that er and macron er and scholz and drago will engage in political er cynicism in practice i mean that in exchange for er candidacy or candidacy for candidacy they will demand from us that we agree to er, the conditions of moscow actually capitulated and i think that the ukrainian authorities you will have to be very careful and very decisive because one thing is not sold for another. and as you reminded the words of the estonian premier, so is the candidacy vs. this is very good, but freedom and

independence and independence from the russian aggressor it is much more. that is, you expect that in a few days, during the visit of what you called the trinity, there could be such a thing. well, if you can call it soft blackmail of ukraine, yes, i am more than convinced of this, because it is those the countries and the three leaders of which uh put forward some fantastic ones every time plans, well, at least, er, drags, well, not drags, but his un minister actually proposed a plan that means capitulation to russia, er, well, macron , you see, constantly says that you can't humiliate russia because you will have to negotiate with it, well, probably at the expense of ukraine well, something is just silent, he promises to give something in order to protect himself from these barbarians, but apart from promises

, the matter does not go further, because, i repeat once again, to my great regret, cynicism and so-called pragmatism and this real-politician that is talked about all the time daldunya there on in the west, they didn’t get anywhere and, unfortunately, very often money decides much more than values ​​and morals . intelligence warned ukraine, but that russia is going to start aggression against our country, but the ukrainian leadership and many others. how did he say it? they didn't listen, this can be considered a reproach to the president of the united states of america with a frank rebuke of the president of the united

states of america to the president of ukraine so that the president of ukraine would think about something well, mr. yuriy , i will answer like this if uh our leaders uh and uh now and by the way the previous ones thought more about our uh- security, we would not be standing with outstretched arms today and we would not have asked for tanks, howitzers, salvo fire systems, planes, and so on, we would probably have it all if lutska was included in our actions. and today, for example, we have the situation when we stand with an outstretched hand i we ask that it be gilded, they will be gilded, we will repulse the aggressor, not gild it, hundreds of ukrainian heroes will die every day at the front, but actually, this

is the answer to that. and if they were thinking about what if they were thinking about the picnic in may, he didn't come the shish kebab didn't come out and we should have talked about all this much earlier and the fact that i repeat the cynicism once again remains no one never came up there is no doubt that it was necessary to introduce sanctions against russia in the 14th year yes it was necessary to introduce a sanction against russia, which in 2008 did not happen because, again, it won together. well, but today, when he has already entered, as they say, it is the russian aggressor. it is too far. well, now the steps that we have been waiting for for a very long time are finally starting. but

now you see, we waited to prepare. well, unfortunately, today we pay such a huge price, well, unfortunately. thank you , mr. volodymyr, for being with me today in the world during the war. thank you for your professional answers to those the questions i wanted to ask you in order for you to explain to me and our viewers. this was volodymyr ogrysko, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine from december 2007 to march 2009, the extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, well, how do you understand in us there is still enough time for the new guest to answer my new questions, and i am ready to introduce this guest. he is already in direct skype contact. this is evgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics. evgeny. i congratulate you. i congratulate you. yuriy. glory to ukraine for heroes. glory, you were not in my program for a long time, but in the international time program

, you were in the international review program with yuri fizr, and you will return, i think very soon, because we will win. well, for now, you and i will be in the program called the world during the war to discuss military topics related to ukraine and the world in order not to take time from our viewers, because i really want to ask you a lot, mr. evgeny, last night at the east german economic forum in batzar, olafsholtz admitted germany's mistake in that germany is too considered russia a reliable economic partner for a long time, but now it is clear that it is necessary to become energy-independent of russia as soon as possible, and this is what scholz said, plus the information that appeared this morning from a finnish analytical center that in the first 100 days of the war, russia earned 93 billion from the export of energy resources dollars ago, returning to the statement of scholze, the statement of scholze, against

this background, these are not just words, or are they words, no, i think they are not just words, and i would say that we have a certain specificity of perception, we expect from the germans that they will hate the russians as much as we do, but this is actually an impossibility and the simple reason that they are not fighting against russia and in principle they really have common economic interests . for the next six months, it remains to say that the german establishment is completely russified, forgive me. i wouldn’t because the russian agents of influence, and not only with gerhard schröder, worked there very intensively, just well

the world, how is it not a shame for us to realize that actions are often thought of as stereotypes and many things, well, they remain, i would say maybe alarming for us, but normal for our partners. that is, we need to learn pragmatism in relations with our european and american partners, and this, by and large, not for it is not a secret to anyone that ukraine is now waging a difficult, tiring, and sometimes terrible war against russia, it is true, but it is being waged by ukraine, the european union and the countries of the european union and nato countries are helping us, forgive me, but with of one's own good will, there are

currently no binding documents for this in nature. you said about pragmatism with partners, what is it? e ukrainian armed forces for 100 euros per day, you can't ask chancellor schulz to think about the ukrainian economy more than the german economy, he swore when he took the post of german chancellor , just like the right, merkel swore in another way because he will, he will worry about the german economy, you can't ask emmanuel macron to think exclusively about ukraine, you can't say that mario draghi is italian, the prime minister is like that, he's a radish, and if he says, if there are any italian proposals to end the war, let's not to forget that the dialogue with any

partner is the basis of european identity and to change it even in the last 110 days of the biggest war in europe during the last 70 -odd years is simply technically impossible what do you want, the inertia of consciousness, it does not work so quickly and you have to understand it, you have to be aware of it. and we, er, have a flower delivery of statements by advisors of various officials, for example, today mykhailo podolyak rolled out such a list, you know, and the question arises, it is er, the advisor's requirements of the head of the president's office in the western establishment , natural questions may arise. and who are you? well, yes, but, let's not forget, we are knocking on the

door of the european union, and somehow, not very briskly, we are knocking on the door of nato. well, i would say without enthusiasm lately i understand for what reasons but now i won't talk about it we are knocking on their door and they are not on ours you understand this is human coexistence we are knocking we have to be well more balanced more adequate er i understand but let's look at my question with "appeared and if returning to scholz to the fact that he was still elected for the german people, he thinks about the german people but the gentleman promised us something that he would give us how many leopard tanks there will give us something else and he is very strong as far as i understand very much delays with deliveries, we can gently knock and gently remind him that mr. scholz you promised leopards now we will not receive these leopards and as far as i understand

we won't get them for a long time eh i think scholz here i eh was alone in berlin once in 2010. it is difficult for me to suspect a german agent. i think he is a hostage of his own political position and public sentiments, that is, germany as a whole supports ukraine, that is, the german community. yesterday i participated in an event on tenders from ukraine with representatives of ukrainian cultural circles , the event was very interesting, even though it was a virtual discussion, but it was very interesting, we just have to, for example, understand that when, well, if we have an argument in

stylistics . propaganda of the stoso of the united states, so as not to touch our european partners, we will not get more, we will not get better, believe me . that is, we have to speak to the european and the establishment in its language, placing accents. we have a very active ambassador in germany, he has already named er, scholze is an offended liver sausage, i don't think we can say more after that, as for the leopards, well, there are such nuances here. not hmm in solidarity i am for what we have without stepping on the throat in our own song but also appreciate the fact about february 24 the very

idea is to give ukraine something that can shoot at the german and establishment caused panic now really we got there anti-tank grenade launcher we got some small arms, we will eventually get leopards too, so that there is no such thing, because the pressure of german society will exist for one simple reason in the european union and in nato, politicians depend on what their citizens think, and public opinion in these countries is beyond any doubt on sides of ukraine and it is good, mr. yevhen, to your topic, which you know very well . quote to atone for one's guilt before ukraine,

andrzej duda obviously understands this, do other western countries even have this concept of any guilt towards ukraine, obviously they don't, i think they don't. the truth is that our backbone can be called big construction, big nepotism, big, there is something else , everything is big with us, and they have it, uh, something fresh, fresh help, moldy concern, fresh, something else, that is, but uh, we uh, in principle, have to be aware of other things. well, let's say that poland can be considered in this context, it acts very

differently than the right-wing justice party proposed when it came to power, the truth is, in principle, the right-wing justice of the environment of which andrzej duda came out, she talked about what we will restore historical memory and we will establish the day of remembrance of the victims of the volyn tragedy, this has been done for several years, as in july, despite all the sympathy for ukraine. i think it will not be canceled, but there is a certain pragmatism in poland and this pragmatism is not worth it shun polish politicians, and poland accepted the most ukrainian refugees, 2.5 million at least . they know that the ukrainian issue will exist during the parliamentary campaign next year, and they react to it and

act accordingly. polish politicians understand that 2/3 of their population is alarmed with the prospect of getting a caliber or iskander on polish territory, and they also react accordingly, this does not mean that the poles are not sincere. nor does it mean that countries that are not directly at war with russia are not at war with russia with any other state, they can afford the luxury of taking political steps, although poland is nowhere . in my opinion, the children are today the most consistent and most active of our partners and our logistics hub . isau crab missile complexes and many other things, we

got all this from poland, not only from her, but she is objectively one of the leaders together with the united states and great britain, but also in the united states the states and great britain also have their own logic in supporting ukraine and ignoring it. this fact means living in certain illusions because we are not in illusions, we are in a state of war, but systemically thinking european politicians, for example, are not against giving ukraine the status of a candidate for membership in the european union, realizing that tomorrow we will not acquire this full-fledged membership, but they think for decades, let's say ahead, and pretend to themselves. and what will the polish-ukrainian tandem be then, where both countries, which have more than 30 million the population, how they will interact, how it will be

economically, how it will be politically. we cannot predict this today, but some countries of old europe are already worrying today. yes unfortunately, it closed like that and it would be good if from this circle so that at some point it will still open this circle and in our direction we will find out this week literally i think that we will receive the status of a candidate for admission to the european union, but this is only an engagement, a political marriage between ukraine and the european union, it will take place in the foreseeable future, but not this year, not next year, and hardly in 2024 , this must be realized, and if

politicians and the public in ukraine think that everyone owes us something if everyone is guilty of something, then this is not the case . turkey has also had the status of a candidate since the end of the 80s of the 20th century. in fact, mr. yevhen, look at this month. at the end of this month, two such landmark events will take place at once. of big events, well, significant for europe, ah, the meeting of the great seven and myself from nato for the event. it will obviously be a big event, should we expect anything after all? because they will talk about ukraine. but is this what you think? we express solidarity support , can we expect something more disruptive, you know, mr. yury, it is difficult to expect something more disruptive in relations with nato. if our government, since the beginning of

march, somehow pushed the issue of integration into nato to the background, i think you won't deny it, that integration into nato has somehow disappeared from public discourse, as if we shouldn't talk about it with the eu . and well, i want to immediately emphasize to our viewers that the accession of ukraine to nato or the european union during the russian-ukrainian war is a fantastic scenario in my opinion, because within these organizations i will find more than one country. and i emphasize that it is not only hungary that will say and say with reason. we cannot afford to

accept into our ranks a country that is at the base of an active war with russia, and they will rely on the opinions of their citizens as the highest value for them. and this is normal, but if we i consider the refusal of official kyiv to move on both euro-atlantic and european tracks to be a mistake. in our country , even the vice-prime minister deals with euro-atlantic and european integration, but we see only european and euro-atlantic integration. well, maybe after all, to be honest, lately we practically don’t hear or see exactly this, which means that it means that we decided at one time not to annoy russia, and then bucha happened, and then borotdyanka happened, and then mariupol happened, and then there were even

sanctions against putin, and it would seem that already it is necessary to work more actively with nato, but we understand that these documents, even in the conditions of such a large-scale russian-ukrainian war, they will not be prepared according to the principle of grab bags , the station is moving, what other countries will not do instead of ukraine, more than we want. you know, in my opinion, we have a paradoxical chance, there is a reason to assume that the integration of finland and sweden may slow down to nato. she defends her interests, she defends them not only in order to remind who is bothering whom, but in order to, er,

remind that she has the second most powerful army in the alliance and, accordingly, has her own territorial problems, and accordingly in front asia and on in the middle east, it still remains the most powerful, so to speak, so what can we say , so turkey belongs to its owners, or it already owns us . and this is why finland and sweden's slippage may cause nato to decide at the last moment about the military cooperation for ukraine and georgia, as you know. demonstration of one's own ability to integrate, it would be very good, look, i wanted you to ask one more question, one more question for you , i will ask it, but answer it very briefly, schultz's arrival in ukraine macron and drago on thursday is useful symbolism

or practical support. i think it is one and the other and even the elections to the national assembly in france , including that european politicians solve their problems, we need to learn to solve ours and we will thank you mr. yevgeny for that joined me in the program today. thank you for your useful professional answers and comments. i will remind you. it was yevgeny magda, director of the institute of world politics . well, well, due to lack of time, we have to finish as usual on monday at 12:00 approximately 13 i say with my guests about the world, about ukraine, which is a civilized part of this world, and, unfortunately, the war and how we live in this war and how we fight. not closed, and also on

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ukraine, this is a program, the verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko, everyone, have a good day and good health, today is the 110th day of heroic ukrainian resistance to the russian invaders, the enemy continues to storm severodonetsk in donetsk region, active beys continue near avdiivka, maryanka, krasnohorivka, sviatohirsk estuary, bakhmut was shelled at night, about fifty private houses were destroyed and damaged, two hotels by railway infrastructure, transport substations, donate power grids, the russians continue to shell sumshchyna, kharkiv oblast and kherson oblast over the last day, the russian occupiers have lost 150 people in ukraine, the biggest losses were in the bakhmut direction, with the beginning of the already great war, the russians have already lost 32,300 people in ukraine 14