okay, today in the washington post columnist max bud wrote the following words that the west cannot allow ukraine to lose the battle for donbas because it will have consequences for the entire post-war world, but not only for ukraine. so, can you tell us in more detail why is the battle for donbass so important for the whole world? well, i don't know why the battle for donbass, eh, your minister of defense is probably more visible. the rights of the good light against the darkness yes, there with donbass, it is probably because it is the longest shriek that can be compared to

stalingrad. bykov is the deciding factor because donbass is a battle that has been going on for 8 years and now it has just passed a very hot stage and with er, this is er , what putin needs. i was just thinking that what putin needs is for her to announce to her people that everything is a victory in russia, we have returned our donbass and all this is ours and our rest. collects his a-a appeals that he wanted to make with ukraine, this is the only thing left всё раз всё остелиное here's how i would retreat but the change of power and uh about taking uh kiev and so on the same dates are called by some

officials in russia, it is obvious that the war is now in such a stage, protracted stages to be determined, but look, each side, the ukrainian side, thinks the end of this war one by one, the russian side in a different way, and these results of this war are radically opposite what is your attitude to i don't know how real these deadlines for the end of the war are, because initially russia and the whole world of america are included, the administration said that 20, uh, 24, or 72, sometimes 26, seven, two hours, and ukraine will go, but of course then, from this side, uh, the war there has been a war there for more than 100 days 100 10 days and they haven't made much progress anywhere, and from the ukrainian side

, of course, eh, too, this war has dragged on for a long time because ukraine is running out of ammunition , they are running out - the technique will be downloaded the main one is ending, sorry, the force is surviving because it has been more than three months without rotation to constantly participate in the battles, people are tired and the losses are big, of course, that is why the war for ukraine is as fast as possible, rather , it will be won as quickly as possible. mainly today from the west, first of all, the social fa of america. i think that the war, they are a war , this is for now, so how it is going, i can’t predict, but i can’t say that for now, i think that either the government in russia will not change or until power the united state of the khomenkas will not be changed, which will be

more involved in this, but you said about the weapons about the personnel let's start with the weapons, not our chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi said that the russians have 10 times more weapons, we can only one- tenth, let's say, respond to the e-e and their shelling , and the ukrainian authorities do not get tired of asking the west to provide heavy weapons, to provide the artillery with air defense equipment, and aviation, because the weapons that we have now received are barely enough for defense, not that to go to the counteroffensive, another adviser to the head of the president's office, oleksiy arestovych, said that in general, the situation with the provision of weapons by the west is like a comedy. and how long can this comedy last? when do you think the west will begin to transmit more intensively what is needed for

the counteroffensive uh, i don't know that. it all depends on the administration of the united states of america, and as far as i understand, they are not going to send weapons, and, well, from what comes out, at first they said that they would give. now it's coming. now it's coming soon . let's sign in english, it takes a huge amount of time, two months, because the month has already passed more than a month, but it is called some single, single things, well, under the pressure of the congresses, the senate, we see that something is going on. boris johnson and we see with you johnsat almost suffered because of this, he did not lose his place and today, today, the war is not against putin or russia. we have a war against trump on

television today in all seven trump, uh, since january 6, that's what it is no no no coup no kube this is coming here and everything is invented and about ukraine there is already almost no news and nothing uh-uh-nothing and you know uh-huhodynarisovych in one of his programs he wanted to start a flash mob and he uh-uh said вот пожалуйста е-е-е yes and i want to continue этот сложно были от i think что в меня есть oh, and you add when at least these words, even with a minimal reserve of english vocabulary, understood where and when and i see that if we compare it with

second world war or with er with those as a mix sent weapons to israel in 1973, of course , and again, today there is nothing to say to the us administration, and they are starting to invent such things as zelensky was warned, he was told that he himself did not listen. the check is being carried eh to drag it out even further and not to give weapons to ukraine for a long time, of course, alarm signals, but we hope that they will not turn into a bigger problem, at least we will monitor this and not report it, thank you very much for eh, it is difficult to return to eh participation on the air says the captain of the first rank in the naval forces of the united states of america commented on the course of military operations in ukraine and we are moving on, they do not hear the air

alarm signal, their lives and safety in times of war mostly depend on social networks and the skills of public organizations however, most of them remained in ukraine someone works to help the army . and some even signed up for the ranks of the armed forces. and they also dream of knowing their language. and not only in an interview in sign language with the head of the ukrainian association of the deaf iryna chipchyna and our colleague ihor sharam.

congratulations mrs. iryna. thank you for coming to us today. i am very glad to see you and thank you for agreeing to this interview. the first thing i wanted to ask you about i know that recently, on may 28, the european union of the deaf accepted ukraine as one of its members, so tell me about it, in fact, i am very uncomfortable, because the state of ukraine has not yet joined the eu. what about us? how did it happen when the war started, the president of the european union of the deaf, marko jokinen, immediately contacted me and said we decided to include your organization in the euv, i say the truth yes, but you have to go through their congress, as it is written in the statute, i say well, well, when the congress is at the end of may and we invite you to take part in it and talk about ukrainian society of the deaf, i agreed, of course. but it was the beginning of the war, it wasn't

before that, and then we received an official invitation, they paid all the expenses, and i thought how could this be impossible. they have their own procedure for this, and ukraine is not a member. the european union, how will it be? one day before the congress, i gave a speech with a detailed presentation about the activities of the ukrainian deaf association. everyone was very impressed by what they saw , because there is no such thing in the organizations of the deaf in european countries, and we have been engaged in this for a long time in all directions. then there was a consideration of issues of order daily reports, re-elections, etc., all questions ended with a vote, necessarily, someone was against, someone abstained, and they came to our question about including the results in the composition of the ecv

the vote was waiting for a long time, i was already starting to get nervous about whether it was even worth agreeing to it, suddenly there are those who are against it, and then they announced the results of the 100% vote. unanimously unanimously and 31 members of the organization supported by secret vote, i couldn't believe it, such support from ukraine and the ukrainian deaf society did not console us, and it is very important for us, because we have long wanted to go to europe. and i am really glad that we were accepted into the european family it is very pleasant that despite the fact that the state of ukraine is not yet a member of the european union instead of the union, the ukrainian society of the deaf has already joined the european family, i am very happy. i congratulate you on this, however, i understand that this happened against the background of the fact that a war broke out in ukraine, russia attacked ukraine, began shelling ukrainian cities and villages, killing ukrainians and destroying the all-ukrainian, but

on february 24, remember how did you perceive the news that the war had started, you personally as a person, as the head of the ukrainian society of the deaf, i couldn't believe it. there was a meeting of the commissioner for the rights of people with disabilities of the kmda, lesya petrovska, on how to inform of the deaf about emergency situations, air alarms , it was before the war, yes, the day before, i still thought that it would not happen during the war, but we discussed and submitted a protocol mandate to develop a mechanism for informing the deaf, and then on february 23, we gathered about it at the government human rights commissioner with tetyana barantsova's disability and me again i was skeptical about the war until suddenly on february 24 the news about the start of the war puzzled me how russia attacked ukraine it cannot be like this on our land we have to

to protect ukrainians, the ukrainian nation and ukrainian culture, but so that this does not happen. the ukrainian society of the deaf quickly reoriented itself and identified information work as a priority area. you probably know better than i do. joined and adapted to the new conditions and quickly, albeit with a delay, translated the addresses of high-ranking officials and thus deaf people got access to important information later when the evacuation began, we contacted tatiana barantsova and lesa petrovska and began to solve the issue of evacuating people along the way, there were a lot of questions and problems, but we gradually managed to solve them. once again, i want to thank my team, as well as our friends from europe and other countries i am very grateful to them. let 's talk about the problems, because it

is very difficult for a deaf person in the hearing world, for example, a deaf person will not hear the air alarm signal, what to do now is very simple. i personally have an application that informs about the air alarm although i personally often ignore this in the first week of the war, there were no such mobile applications, so i understood that there were no hearing people who could hear the signal. and the deaf, especially at night, through each other's mobile phones, should be fine because we had time to discuss it in advance and the state authorities sent messages about the announcement of an air alert, but what to do when there is no communication, it is difficult when there is no access to the internet, for example, in the kyiv region, they write to us, beg you to take us out, there are no buses it is dangerous to evacuate on your own, we gave the addresses of these people to barantsa, she gave them to the state emergency service and they took people out individually, but later

the work got better, we had to report to where it was necessary and the issues were resolved, for example, television was a single platform, there were different channels before that, but everyone started broadcasting the marathon and on most channels there was an interpreter social sign language was constantly covered with various stickers with moving lines or titles we started writing letters finally solved this issue and thus solved others or for example, the issue of the departure of our refugees abroad. we asked for help with the preparation of documents, especially certificates from the military commissariats, before this was treated very lightly, they wrote anything in those certificates, a must be clearly indicated and the article on the basis of which he was dismissed from service, a has now become more or less calm a large number of deaf young people have already left abroad and i am calm, they are safe, they have something to eat, a place to live and money, and now i am most worried about those who remained, there were indeed certain problems with obtaining information

for example, about evacuation routes, do these problems still remain or are there solutions, in your opinion, what is still worth working on now ? to leave by motor vehicle, the checkpoints on the border are free, and in the first days of the war it was terrible, people were in shock, confused, they did not know what would happen next, they received information only through telegram groups, we asked through video messages. they also responded or, for example, went abroad, shared the contacts of volunteers, and this is how information spread among deaf people, and many european associations of the deaf took it upon themselves to solve the problems

of ukrainian refugees. there were 36,000 deaf members of the organization. of course, this is not the number of deaf people in ukraine. the statistical average number is one hundredth of a percent of the country's population, we have 36,000 on the record, and i know about every deaf person in ukraine, and now we can already say that about six thousand deaf ukrainians have left abroad. about 9,000 are internal migrants in ukraine, those who left in in the western regions, the rest of the rest do not want to go anywhere, even if at home it is at home. as for children, we have accurate statistics. 712 children have already left abroad, especially the deaf. together with natalia adamyuk, we contacted schools for the deaf and have such data about 712 children who have already left abroad. and how do you

monitor the further fate of those deaf people who left abroad or do you have this information? this is how we keep in touch with them. most of the deaf people are now in germany and france, others are in belgium, some are in finland, somewhere around 12 further north in sweden, there are few deaf people, but most of the deaf people went to germany and france. there used to be many of our vitalys, but later most of them moved to france. at the beginning of the war, friends and colleagues from poland, lithuania, and other neighboring countries wrote to me a lot reported that many deaf people came to these countries and they provided them with all the necessary help. tell me how help is organized for deaf ukrainians abroad. i want to thank my polish friends, because the first wave of refugees fell on them, because they are the closest neighbors, there was a large flow of refugees with the help of volunteers and local

organizations of the deaf, they were engaged in temporary accommodation of our deaf on their territory, now there are very few deaf ukrainians left in poland, because the vast majority moved on and in lithuania the same tell me what else i think about, it will be interesting to our viewers, for example, a deaf ukrainian comes to poland, he does not know polish sign language, let alone polish verbal, how does communication take place, on the contrary, they created all the opportunities for communication, for example, our person crossed the border and then turns to volunteers and those how to act then with the help of video communication, they contacted the necessary people, they came and told where to go next, first everyone was sent to lublin to the school for the deaf, the volunteers already knew about it and they immediately directed everyone there. i am impressed because from the beginning they worked so quickly and

organized all the work, they involved sign language interpreters through video communication and deaf people . i wonder what the conditions are, etc. that with employment, polish colleagues approached us and offered polish sign language training for our refugees, we recommended turning to refugee translators to involve them, and they were already involving deaf people in learning the language recently, i was in warsaw at the central office of the local association of the deaf and i was struck by the fact that information was presented on all the information stands, in particular in ukrainian, on all the doors, on every wall, informational materials were placed and it was easier for our refugees to find the necessary information, it is very interesting, i understand a lot the territories are currently occupied by russian troops, do you keep in touch with the deaf people who

are currently there, the day before we had a meeting with the heads of regional organizations and at it we spoke with the head of the kherson feminist organization, he told us about the situation in the region, it is very difficult, there is humanitarian aid from russia, but no one wants to take it, the atms are not working, this issue must be resolved at the state level, we transfer the funds and they cannot receive them. i believe that our ukrainian troops will advance through the kherson region and return it to us, because this is our ukrainian territory, after all, it has an extensive network of enterprises of cultural institutions throughout ukraine . fortunately, everything survived in the temporarily occupied territories. only in the zaporizhzhia region, the building of one of the territorial organizations was completely destroyed. all the others survived. we changed the form of our

cultural and mass work and focused on the information direction. and as for the enterprises , we have something to be proud of, because many of them work for the army the state sews military uniforms of people , few, many left, but those who remained rallied and work, they also make anti-tank hedgehogs for ground defense, camouflage nets, other military equipment, we wanted to show off these facebook, but the government told us that it is not possible, it is not necessary, after the war, you can talk about the work of the army enterprise, that is why i have reason to be proud of a lot of orders. i am very interested, i don’t know how likely it is, but whether deaf people are involved in the anti- terrorist or military forces of ukraine, i don’t even

know what to say, i have a photo of one deaf man with a weapon in his hands, in fact, yes, but on it's a pity, we will be able to talk later after the war, the deaf also defend ukraine, very cheap things and cheer for the country, i am very happy, what else i wanted to ask you about, it is clear that now the educational process has been suspended, learning has switched to a distance format, however, the war will end sooner or later, is there a place for the children to return to what is the situation with educational institutions ? did they manage to preserve them? the number of children will definitely decrease. i think that 70% of those children who left will stay in europe. i think they will stay there . very comfortable conditions for education have been created the teaching of ukrainian sign language has been preserved and

the study of national sign language has been additionally introduced, and maybe they will all return. i don’t know if the schools survived or if they will still suffer. they somehow spread information about the destruction of one of the school’s buildings. but it turned out to be a fake. the day before , i spoke with the only deaf school principal in ukraine halyna vorobel, she was categorical. from september 1, we will start learning in an offline mode, no distance learning, as in other schools, i don’t know. probably because decrease in the number of children. they will be transferred to distance education, but this is not the best solution for you to advise those deaf people who are only planning to go abroad in the near future, escaping from war, this is their right, this is their choice, this is security, this is the

protection of the family, people have to decide for themselves, and we we offer options and inform you that there is an opportunity to live peacefully abroad and survive the war . this is the choice of every deaf person. yes, you are right. what else interests me in the first days of the war. i saw many posts from colleagues on the facebook pages . from poland, lithuania and other countries, even canada, everyone supported ukraine and cheered for us, the world federation of the deaf also organized a collection of donations to help deaf ukrainians by supporting other members of the federation who accept deaf refugees, do you know how much has already been collected? but what did this money go to? i i have to thank the vfg and the ukrainian diaspora in canada , they are the main donors who helped to preserve and

support the team that remained here in ukraine, these funds go to the salaries of translators that they provide translation services via video link, and for those who work in the field, this is a lot of money. previously , we had the opportunity to receive funding from the state from rent. but now there is no such opportunity. state funding has been suspended due to the war. and where should we get money to leave people and the help of the vfg and canada to us ? came in handy in the eug provides us with the tranches for which we report for march and april we have already reported now we are preparing the report for may everything is very strict we have many employees who have remained without fear and continue to work in mykolaiv, chernihiv, zaporizhzhia, odesa, despite the danger, they stayed in zhytomyr, and i am also grateful

to all the employees who stayed to continue fulfilling statutory tasks, to continue activities to protect the rights and interests of deaf people, and finally, i would like to ask you to advise our viewers that you want to change in in order to make it easier for deaf people to live, to make it easier to receive information, it is possible for ukraine to introduce mandatory study of ukrainian sign language in schools and universities institutions, all our rights will be realized under the condition that if we have ukrainian sign language without it, do you think we are disenfranchised, why do i say that ukrainian sign language is our language, our culture, our identity in society, through sign language a deaf person can communicate

freely, receive information freely, and precisely i would like the most to have free access to receiving information through ukrainian sign language, and by the way , i have a proposal, of course, not now, but in a few months on the international day of sign languages ​​on your channel in september so that sign language lessons are introduced on your channel to draw society's attention to deaf culture because they are very interesting. i think this idea will not be difficult to implement. thank you for this interview. glory to ukraine glory to ukraine say i love you more often, it strengthens your

we will rebuild the connection, we will launch, we will win, whatever you are, news, together, we are strong. unconquered cities of ukraine. and cossacks near it in 1827 the construction of the pier began, and less than 15 years later the settlement was declared a city and renamed berdyansk during the second world war nazi troops entered berdyansk and mercilessly destroyed its inhabitants and infrastructure and we know that ukrainians will not overcome berdyansk unconquered fourth

month ukraine is in conflict with a horde of non-humans who destroy everything in their path, the red viburnum bent down, destroying the very soul of ukraine, its history and culture. in just 100 days of the war, there was about 370 objects of national heritage have been damaged or destroyed, and we, our glorious ukraine , let the enemy not destroy our culture with all peace, ukrainians stand up to protect cultural values ​​while the military protects our land, we take care of our museums, we give our music to the world at international charity events concerts we return