let's say this kind of protection against cholera has passed, except that the so-called e-e filter is three microfilters that retain even viruses, not only vibrio. and i'm not convinced that such filters are provided with filters. the forces of ukraine, however, and even in soviet times, and now the armies in uh, in nato, nato countries , uh, let's say civilized countries. yes, i hope that it is in ukraine, but we don't know about it, the chief medical officer of ukraine does not say there should be bodies in the military's individual first aid kits a special chemical that is added to water that does not even need to be boiled is mandatory, and it betrays this water from everything, starting from bacteria, e.e., vibrios, viruses, and so on,

it will not fall out after such a pill, do not scare people, because they calmed down. thank you very much, sir valery and valery ivasiuk, doctor of medical sciences, ex-advisor to the president of ukraine and secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine, worked on the espresso tv channel thank you now number congratulations thank you khrestyn and antin well, actually, let's talk about what's important now how not to let the world get tired of ukraine. so let's start in a moment. several important events for us should take place this week. the decision of the eva commission on ukraine's application to the eu. rammstein 3. visits of the leaders of several countries to kyiv are expected. and to increase several times so that

everything becomes a reality, the world cannot be allowed to get tired of ukraine and it is necessary to keep the focus of world politics that the war and all related problems were not caused by some diplomatic steps ukraine and the aggressive aspirations of moscow, and it must be said that the kremlin himself reminded about it. last week , once again, he returned yes . and how is it that when he founded a new capital, not one of the european countries recognized this territory from russia, they all recognized it as sweden the same is the case in the western direction, this applies to the work of my first campaigns. why did we eat something by returning and strengthening the whole thing to

our fate? in эти базовые велыение составлять базовые наше вечественность, well, this is the basis of existence, and this statement by putin was lively discussed and quoted by all russian propagandists. therefore, this is not an accidental statement, but something so staged when the kremlin decided to stop hiding in its war propaganda for talking about the protection of the residents of donetsk and directly tell that the goal of the war is to capture new territories , and propaganda is trying to convince the russian population first of all that the world's resistance to this conquest will not last long, it is only worth capturing foreign territory, and there will come recognition , that's when england came from the back of the swedish lion and unleashed a full-scale information war of carlo 12 - they proclaimed peter the savior of european civilization, and in general all russians were barbarians, and a horde of

press wrote about the superiors of the russian army about its incredible losses, and reviled the king himself in newspapers and european palaces, after the convincing victories in the northern war, russophobic hysteria ended as if by magic, moscow quickly came out of isolation, the west recognized all its victories, the queen of england immediately rushed to congratulations, you understand who are trying to draw such parallels and russian propagandists actually frankly say that we really want glass from the western world . europe, that is, to the european union - these are foreign affairs for the european union, and it is better not to get involved in them, not to muddy the waters, and even more so not to expect to increase the influence of the zone at the expense of russian lands. broadcasts russian propaganda to the world and how

to counter it in the world, how to fight it, what to oppose, let's talk now with love from chiubulska. she is an expert in countering disinformation , ex-head of the center for strategic communications and information security. a well, have you heard these statements? please tell me in general whether there has been any reaction to them from those who have heard them in the west, yes, they are definitely being heard now. the west listens very carefully to what the russian leader says. what matters is what people do here too. i remember how many times ukrainians. my colleagues and propaganda specialists explained this propaganda rhetoric to western countries and we saw that there was mostly no reaction. we saw that

western countries are part of them. let's be speak a-a hmm express that's for sure, that is, there are those countries that understand what this is about, primarily the baltic countries poland a-a to sweden finland here, but the central european countries they preferred not to understand supposedly these imperial ambition to turn a blind eye to them unfortunately, lyudmila, here you are recently oh, sorry, love, you recently participated in such a program, there was a conflict with the un where well, in principle, enough is enough such a sharp presenter direct questions as a rule, i remember that a few years ago i also took part in klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs at that time, it was not easy for him there, let's say it directly. and as a rule, such programs very well show the very issues in them that are in the focus of attention of the world snakes of

the world and, in general, the focus of attention of society western countries, please tell me, have you understood for yourself some uh, well, what is the most relevant thing right now, what is the most important thing about this conversation in this program, what is the most important thing right now, what should you focus on? i said that you need to explain what it is not a local regional conflict and to draw these parallels between what is happening here and what consequences it can have for the whole world, this is primarily because a lot of people, especially politicians in the west, do not understand that this is actually a big geopolitical catastrophe. they don't understand that if we all together as a civilized world do not overcome putin, then these hostilities will be transferred further to the west, there is this

problem. well, and the second, of course, there is a lot of talk about this narrative about that and it is very harmful. actually when i was little, i had several conferences, several countries i visited in the last three weeks, and at some point i realized that i was already tired of their fatigue , because at every meeting everyone repeated that the west was getting tired we are getting tired of this war and here it is very important to explain to them that friends, well, we do not get tired, but we fight and we do not get tired, let's not get tired, and continue and strengthen sanctions and provide us with weapons, well , that is, it is extremely important to explain this, because this is actually one of the narratives which are russia is now advancing to the west that this war is going on for a long time, it has already tired everyone, you can turn your attention away, switch

to something else, that's why we need to explain that this fatigue is precisely this trap. and if we are in it , which one if we get there, the price can really be extraordinary the price of this war is high, even more so, and the price of this war is high, and most importantly, the consequences will be not only for ukraine, but also for our western partners there . what is happening in the city on sunday? i believe that there are meetings like the eu, you know all the problems and what are all the main messages that russia is trying to broadcast to the eu, let's see because it seems important to me, you know, to sort this out somehow, for some spare parts, let's see london feinenstein

is in a hurry to say that the european union is now very actively using its recovery fund, the main reason for additional thirds is the high cost of energy sources, which made everyone poor. in addition, ours and the european union were lucky to have ukraine, the european treasury , and the eurocommissioner of kyiv for many billions in aid johanneskhan said that as a result, brussels will have to revise the seven-year budget earlier than planned. blumber agency writes that denmark and the netherlands have already opposed not giving ukraine the status of a candidate for the european union. cannot guarantee democracy, the supremacy of the law of human rights, respect and

protection of minorities, the question of kyiv's application will be discussed in a week in brussels lumberg informs that germany offers, as a compromise, to grant ukraine conditional status as a candidate for joining the european union, all these conditionalities and conditions indicate that there is no unified strategy of action in the european union today, on the contrary, they are contradicted only when it comes to non-national and financial interests. that is, you see everything in one like this and through ukraine, well, the plot of the eu is running out and ukraine is to blame for the fact that some contradictions appear in the european union, well, that is, all this together, but it is clear that in in principle, the main blow that is now er, well, russian propaganda is directed at the eu, after all, is connected with some such attempt to raise this topic there, you know the refrigerator against russian aggression, how much er, well, what is opposed to this - to oppose how much

this argumentation actually comes to european society, that's what's interesting. well, first of all, we see that this is a continuation of the same narratives that russia has been broadcasting for the last eight years, that europe is not united, that it is divided, that they do not have a common visa, that there are no common european values ​​and so on, secondly, we clearly see here that russia has now included a-and again it was the same all these years, but now it has settled down, advised that the sanctions do not work and this is exactly the sign that the sanctions are actually working because so many propagandists are trying to push this message, er, that's exactly what they need now to lift sanctions and show that ukraine is not er, er, at all worth the attention of european countries, and here i would talk about another danger ah, we we understand that russia is very actively working with

by european politicians, er, with the european media , but it is also necessary to understand that in the coming months, russia will rock european society with a narrative that your state, your governments are spending money on ukraine. look at this conflict , this war has already dragged on for a long time. could go to your improvement to improve life a-a why are they going to ukraine and definitely the government and will be forced to respond to their electorate to their citizens and it is extremely important for us to explain and speak and come out and what is this war about, what is happening in general, show our victories, show in general , what is russia going to, how totalitarian is it, because

it is not an authoritarian totalitarian state, this is extremely important to explain to citizens, speak not only at the diplomatic political level, but to try to have such broad companies to explain uh to the citizens of western countries because they will then force their governments to make certain uh decisions, well, we now have a video about uh what is expected to german chancellor olafsholt is planning to move to kiev there, french president emmanuel macron , italian prime minister mario draghi, and this was reported by bil eh anson with reference to own sources and even as if in the office of president macron, she said that it already has a little it's not there on june 15, i'm his trip. well, actually, this trip causes such a fear that all

these people will come to persuade kyiv to make concessions. do you see that there really is such a thing? well, is there such a pressure or is it something that we are exaggerating here? how about you? it see i see this rhetoric uh especially in the european union i see how uh russia included through its channels uh this is hmm this is this thesis about concessions ah this has been extremely widely discussed in the last few weeks and here it is important to uh say about the fact that we will make decisions nothing about ukraine without ukraine, this is the message that some of the central ones still do not understand. let's talk about france, germany, and italy . is divided into zones of influence and they simply cannot

to make a decision for 45 40 million people, this is currently already in 2022, it is not possible because this people has its own will, has its own desire, its own opinion, uh, and this is our struggle, we will know. well, i also explained to many western colleagues that we we will fight with our bare hands against them, we will still defend our land, just that the price will be extremely high. that's it, and it will be the same on your conscience, because if you don't arm us, our people will die in large numbers, and we we will be forced to er no having the appropriate weapons to fight them then definitely this is also your responsibility so i would talk about what this danger is because it is so much more comfortable for everyone to return to

business with the usual return to this order that was before this world political order which i was there until february 24, it’s convenient, otherwise you have to admit that you were wrong because you were building, for example, the economic flow-2, you were wrong to call putin and uh, i had all these friendly talks with them, it’s not right that they launched so many of russian business in your country and so on. therefore, it is difficult to actually admit that you were wrong , and then also about actively including our allies with those countries that understand this threat and fortunately we have them. well, for example, not so long ago, the eu finally

banned russian state television channels that speak foreign languages ​​and well, after that it turned out that during the time they existed they have already managed to branch out such an entire infrastructure around them of bloggers who work for them there, who continue to tell and promote russian narratives in their vlogs, er, there are goals of er, politicians, er, such a network with which they constantly cooperated and here is the question after this step in principle, when the sanctions have already affected such serious russian propagandists. is there now the political will to continue to stand in the way of russian propaganda, not only in this sense, but in the literal sense, and even well, on the level there is more deep, that is, at the level of bloggers, at the level of political participation of political, er, politicians. let’s say that those who work cooperate with

russia. well, because, well, this already needs to be done, we just need to talk about it. yes, it is through politicians to the agent of russia’s influence, and it needs to be shown somehow european audiences are also, well, the eu is still such a monolith, a whole number of countries, and each of these countries has its own understanding, as i said, of this threat in many countries. this work has been carried out for a long time and again still baltic countries, this is the czech republic, this is poland, this is sweden, finland , well, that is, i would not sprinkle my head with ashes and talk about the fact that russian propaganda is the same layer everywhere . goes in a complex with various hybrid influences other

hybrid influences of russia e.e. this political influence and economic influence this corruption therefore these cultural e-e influences that are especially strong for example in france and consider these russian tv channels as e-e such russian propaganda separately i wouldn't, i wouldn't because it's all a very complex phenomenon, for example, when russia spends its days with the russian avant-garde er in fishing, so er, the institution of cultural er, european union then and at the same time er in this at this exhibition artists - these are ukrainian artists that russia is actually appropriating for itself, so can we separate it from

propaganda ? but this is already being actively done not enough. that is, we know that russia works not only with bloggers, this is extremely much, russia works just as easily with traditional media and the main thing is that it works with political elites, both national central and regional political elites in countries, and you don’t need to bribe the media, you should just bribe, for example, some regional leader who will walk around and speak your messages, and if he has a lot of such interactions with the media, then the presence of these messages in the info field is ensured that is, there are a lot of ways, well, for example, i saw solovyov literally hysterical about the fact that in italian society there is talk of literally compiling lists of politicians who cooperate with russia, and well, this is already a big

victory for him. this is an extremely big victory for italy because italy is extremely strong infiltrated by russian agents of influence and there is a lot of russian propaganda in the italian media, that is why it is already happening. thanks to them, there are three more villas that actually also have an influence on his consciousness, which you are driving the river so and so, but i think that he is quite shocked because he did not expect that they would investigate the own activities of these pro-russian politicians and those connections uh, to investigate relations with russia is a big step, it is an important step and it cannot be ignored. i think that it is equally important when we talk about our european partners, it is extremely important to note and thank them for what they are doing and to criticize where it is needed

what is so, i would say a lot of complaints that ukraine is starting to teach the west, ukraine is starting to tell how it should be done. everyone is dissatisfied and so on, and russia has strengthened its generative power, so where we see real help, support and common sense in general, then this should be noted and thanked for this is well, now russia is very focused on stopping the supply of weapons to ukraine. this is an important topic for them. well, we understand why. and one of these very important directions for them now is to show the western weapons are hitting donetsk, but they directly started shelling donetsk in order to show that it is ukrainians who are shelling. i wonder if they somehow managed to broadcast it to the western audience. because here we understand what is happening, does the western audience understand what is happening or it has not reached them at all yet. when western governments

give us weapons and they have the support of, for example, their citizens, then it will be said that these weapons will kill the russian army, and russia wants to show that these weapons are used to kill civilians of citizens and this is definitely not what our western colleagues and citizens of european states would like to respond to russian tanks, and others, when they die from this is a completely different responsibility, and that's why this one works somewhere, i would say that globally, in the european information field, the ukrainian people still dominate, the russians do not manage to take the primacy, is specifically in the united states

in the states, er, in europe, but if we are talking about south america, if we are talking about africa, if we are talking about asia, then unfortunately, russian narratives are broadcast very actively, they are trusted very much, and we simply unfortunately, we do not have these resources to eh i will work in these parts of the world and actively fight against this propaganda. well, i would say that the western society's attack on ukraine, over the last time, until the moment of the invasion, it was so determined that in but ukraine will fall there because a day later, two days later, or maybe a week later, this was followed, then, as peter pomerantsev said, thanks to the fact that there was such an unprecedented resistance of the ukrainian

society of the ukrainian people to the invasion, this attitude has changed a lot. someday they will study because ukraine managed to create in western societies the impression that they are tangential to the defense of ukraine, as if they know that they attacked our relatives and we must also help them, even if they can distant relatives are not so very close, but they are equally relatives to us, that is, ukrainian in general, er, i would say ukraine somehow managed to do so on this , er, in public opinion, to create and raise such a layer of family values, in general, it is very deep , such and such a thing and i wonder if this is still going on now, or if we are moving to some kind of new stage that requires us to do something else, some other kind of countermeasure. how would you say

, first of all, i agree with pomerantsev and i think that ukraine is such a typical underdog, yes that is, this such a character in a work of art, who is obviously weaker, and whose starting positions are worse than those of his opponent, but because of his inner strength , because of his certain characteristics, in our case, because of this extraordinary fortitude , because of courage, because of humor, as a result wins and, of course, no one likes to bet on the strongest, and even more so with such a snarl, the stronger is stronger and such an imperialistic nationalist character as russia is now, for example. it is clear that you want to bet on someone who is very brave er has there, i already

said, um, worse initial conditions, but at the same time shows an incredible story of such love, beauty, er, self- sacrifice and so on, it is obvious that really in this er, dramatic ukraine obviously wins er but are you asking whether it is now holding it of course it is holding i think that it is the majority of citizens on our because the attention really switches and we need to understand that here are these if we where do we get this slice from mainly social networks yes where do we get this understanding eh or there is whether they are paying attention or not and we see that curiosity is gradually decreasing, but this is such a natural process that people are tired of constant victims of torture and suffering in western societies. it is obvious that these are certain depressing

messages for them, that is why it is extremely important to show the other side of the war. -eh shh- that we have a whole lot of dimensions of this war besides the suffering. well, this war is so civilized, so i would say that about what now, well , the summer vacation is coming, it's only natural that attention it will be more difficult for us now, and before that we just have to admit that we don't need to be afraid, we don't need to be scared, and most importantly, don't be demoralized, we need to accept the fact of war, but also accept the fact that we cannot lose, because if we lose, we will not become in us there won't be any of us somewhere, but it will be them, it won't be ukraine, and this is extremely important in order to keep the pace, in order to have the strength to find and draw within ourselves, these are the forces for the fight. thank you, this is the love of tsybulska, we will

hold on and we will keep the world from getting tired, they should not get tired of us and we are not tired. thank you , love tsybulska. she was an expert in sports and disinformation. a petition has been registered on the website of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine in which it is requested to return ukrainian tv channels to the digital airwaves write a petition first you need to register it is very simple go to the website petition came.gov.ua there go to the registration tab and enter all your details tell your phone number