untimely and timely, because it is possible, against the background of the tragedy that is happening in ukraine, to appeal to the european union that we need to get membership, but look at what led to our application led to the fact that there was a split in the european union that previously existed in terms of the expansion of the eu to the east of europe and it generally led to an even greater split and a number of countries oppose the acquisition of giving even us candidates put themselves in a difficult situation in the conditions of the war, as for me, such an application should not have been submitted at all. this is my personal opinion, of course, now returning to what you continued, i perfectly understand and realize that the institutions that we have formed in ukraine, they do not fully correspond to the criteria and requirements that should be a country that

aspires to be a member of the common euro, as well as at the time on populist slogans, we included in the e-e constitution of ukraine our european and euro-atlantic aspirations as one of such very cool political-technological moves instead of reforms that would be very meaningful and mentioned by you, including the constitutional court, we did not hold that is why it is in this situation that it would be worth talking about the european union's support for ukraine, the issue of providing sufficient assistance, early acquisition of membership in the european union, because really we understand that the candidacy, we are just now hanging ourselves on some kind of hook, we did not understand when it will happen, as my colleague mr. igor correctly says, no one knows. instead, we, well, in the end engaging in politics in europe, we do not advance our positions, we further sharpen a number of countries so that they make decisions that they cannot make, that they cannot make. by

definition, europe is a very old bureaucratic machine that will never, by definition, never go against the rules that they fossils, why today is europe, that is why we are trying we ukrainians are trying to leave europe, not europeans to us, this is a serious story about procedures and the question of whether the procedure involves membership in the european union without she is applying for ukraine to raise the issue of not membership in the european union, but the creation of another alliance, as boris johnson proposed. moreover, a number of countries today are in favor of such an answer . you are opposed to it well, here you know, i wouldn’t have mastered it much maybe i just have a third opinion, er, here you understand the status of the candidate, i don’t think that he hangs us, in fact , because we have, for example, the same story turkey, which for decades tried to make its way

to the european union, but we see that this topic has generally faded into oblivion . me so that we could get some positives actually from the candidate status - this is, hmm, greater integration of ukraine into the intra-european development program, which could serve the actual restoration of our state and support that trend, for example, what we got is a full-fledged a full-fledged free trade zone for a year, temporarily, and not what was signed and called. how are the comprehensive free trade zones there and in line with the association agreement? and here we need to look for more pragmatic tools. i think that ukraine today could really strengthen itself. it is clear that

today in the european union, for example, the same france in germany, italy does not like the activity of eastern european countries, especially poland, and it is understandable that they fear the banal entry of such a powerful ukraine is powerful really a player if it becomes a european uh, it means a member of the european union, that's why a lot of people today are slowing down this process from a uh tactical point of view, and it was quite possible to consider the issue and the creation of this so-called european community, about which there were unofficial rumors and mass media because it is a certain reincarnation of the idea of ​​many of the black sea union, it is also absolutely productive and it was possible to give it the green light, but you know the most important thing for us is that ukraine is an integral part of western civilization, this is the most important thing for us, and i'm sorry

to be there, to definitely stand on the positions of the european union or some future new entity, you already know this is a matter of tactics, the most important thing for us today is the standards, in principle, they are synchronized correctly, they really understand how one thing contradicts the other, well, it's as if not it is written that if ukraine forms something new there with poland, the uk closes its path to the european union, i.e. thus, all our status as a candidate in the eu if we get it. so it is for years perhaps perspective and a lot of work on yourself homework but at the same time, does this close the opportunity for us to talk and discuss the need for us to have the same financial resources and their availability in the european union? well, it seems to me that everything can be done in parallel if , er, if the right hand will understand what the left is doing and, sorry, the opposite is definitely the only thing that needs to be understood

, but still, but just at these contradictions, you know , between the unions, today our enemy is trying to play something accordingly, and unfortunately, it's just them fueling this whole topic, what do you see there? europe is in disarray, and the further it gets there, the more depraved it is, and it is clear that moscow today, through its lobbyists, is putting maximum pressure on these wounds that are really present today in the eu, and in fact there are precisely those that need to be reformed, because it is her that's right, the bureaucratic mechanism is a bit unoptimized , and the further the situation gets, the worse it gets because the majority, and the very essence of the european union, its ideology is starting to break down a bit, but it's not means that ukraine should simply stop there and choose its own path there, and there

is no possibility of rejecting the european union, the only thing that is possible is that it was strategically wrong to enter into the constitution clearly what we would like to do, our strategic course is precisely for membership in the the european union may have had to play with the terminology a little, write european and euro-atlantic integration without specifying specific structures, it was more correct, but i want not to reverse our geopolitical course, which is today, and continue to move in the western direction thank you, our dear guests, valery klochok, political economic expert ihor chalenko, his colleague was in touch with us, it was a good discussion, but you know, as long as ukraine has well, this is an opportunity for someone to discuss the topic of the living and the topic of the bone in the throat of the russian federation

absolutely. that is, for us, one thing is the integration, for example , deepened in security issues with the british, the baltic countries does not mean that it crosses out, so to speak, the deepened course for economic integration, primarily with the european union, we optimization of ukrainian legislation to the requirements of the european union kamon well, why not what should be written in the constitution? well, the constitution is a law of direct action. well, accordingly, all our bodies should, so to speak, throw all their available forces and resources to implement this course . you know me a little well. well, somewhere in the soul, this moment is so tight that we keep talking about the final goal, the final goal , this final point, and we talk less and less about what needs to be done objectively i didn't get enough of this story with, well

, the divisions of the department and so on, they have to deal with it, and accordingly, we will not divert any additional resources to paper european european integration. moreover, the verkhovna rada is also working in our country, everything is fine, pass laws, agree with the constitutional court constitutional court revive make it normal acceptable to the european world community in general what problems before we talked so much about all this on the air now because of the war cool thing the focus of our attention is focused and absolutely not other things and it seems to me that people need to understand now that dealing with internal affairs is just as important as before february 24 well, i don't know why we are moving on about energy, the director of energy programs of the center razumkova joins us. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, mr. volodymyr. let's start with the

basics. the most difficult winter for the country is waiting for us. at the same time, ukraine is supposedly starting to prepare and here is a decision not to export coal and gas from our country. we hope for sure to accumulate until the corresponding important critical moment. but will we succeed in this and how is it possible? we need to rebuild our usual scheme of preparation for the heating season, purchase firewood, if not, then you reassure us in this direction, i don't know what to indicate here. there are several scenarios for passing the winter period. well, we will always count on the worst scenario, and the government must count on the worst so that later to be disappointed in one's forecasts well, i think that today is a really difficult situation and but it

seems to me that the government made a completely free decision to essentially ban the export of natural gas and coal, because in this energy energy resources are extremely necessary in order to pass under the conditions of the period, this is the first secondly, it is necessary to take into account that we currently have the largest nuclear power plant in europe occupied by 6 nuclear units. about 20-25% of the total power that can be used, then it is necessary to consider what is not working we have the same trailer zaporizhzhia thermal power plant luhansk thermal power plant slovyansk thermal power plant and recently had my cheek broken, so vugleghirsk thermal

power plant well, the same can be said about vologhirsk, that is, that's why we really have the only thing that saves us is what fell production is very important in ukraine, 50% there, or even more or in some industries, what are the consequences of this for the economy? therefore, we can somehow balance the energy system at the expense of this, but if it grows, the economy will begin to recover and gradually , new capacities will really be needed. in

my opinion, 9 billion. it costs about 10 billion dollars today. this is an extremely difficult task. i don't know how we in taras will deal with it. we will try with you about the possibilities. regarding how the circumstances are formed, what can be done well, what can be developed, we need to prepare for winter, we need to carry out repair work on the equipment, so it is a complicated story, we need such a figure, so far we have such a figure, i tell you, let's do what you want, the government has established what is needed they are looking in order to buy these 9 billion . we need somewhere around 10 billion 10 billion dollars. this is an extremely large number for ukraine. well, probably only at the expense of our partners can we cope

with the number. this is the first second. well, we have more or less coal it's normal for today, but again, by the autumn and winter period, it should be up to three million tons, well, that's about twice as much as now , that's also a question, well, and it's important, but we don't know what the risks are, which will once again bomb our thermal station, or which one infrastructure, the war is still going on, it is also necessary to understand that it is not going anywhere, and the enemy can restore this infrastructure , what methods? pumps, but this is again what should be decided by the local government, depending on the circumstances, yes, that is, it is not possible now to say one recipe for all regions, yes, the only thing that can be

said is that the task of the government is to provide energy resources , and the local government should see how use these resources, which also have needs and they have the most important thing in order for the energy from these resources to get to the homes of ukrainians, it is important that the local authorities must draw up lists of needs that exist in every region in every district the need for the provision of energy resources of the infrastructure . gas was dumped on whom the government did this to the local authorities, now we understand the situation, we understand that the local budgets

are almost at zero, and it is not known whether it will be possible to take off normally, well, within the next couple of months. well, i think that everyone guesses that it is unlikely i am saying that, but i am not saying that everything should be transferred to local budgets by the local authorities. the authorities should form a list of their needs and send it to the center . here is my key question, in fact, mr. volodymyr , is whether you, as an expert, feel the appropriate level of vibration in the relevant government offices, we understand that this is simply not why this is said, not in order to criticize someone like that well, but simply to understand that because there are many problems, it is necessary for the government to solve them, but it is extremely serious story because the summer-summer passes very quickly, well , the government - it is really focused today on this problem, what will come out of it, it is difficult to say, because

, unfortunately, they did not prepare very well for the previous winter, and how will it be this time, well, i don't know . me. well, not today. i would really like to criticize the government during the war. yes, for obvious reasons. well, war is a conversation, it's a free matter . because well, it is not adequate enough in many issues, it works, then we have to say that we have a problem with the market of petroleum products, this is also a big problem. although it can be . "this product appeared, what is fuel, yes, nevertheless, there is no more fuel in ukraine, or it does appear, but under

certain conditions it is sold to the end consumer, what are our forecasts for the near future in view of the fact that we also need fuel for military needs, first of all, i would like to note that now the issue with logistics is gradually being resolved with each week more and more fuel and gasoline are supplied, but there is a problem with regulation yes. if you want a deficit to arise, let the government regulate these as well as 100%, there will be a deficit , so i think that today the government is the problem, first of all, what are the problems of regulation a and b in logistics, how many were established when it was established - it seems that the government canceled state regulation, and on the other hand, constant checks and fines for the like the prices are violated, therefore, there is some kind of hybrid cancellation

of regulation, and as a result, we see that the market does not understand the government’s signals and enters the shadow . the government will not begin to improve its regulatory functions, i would. to be honest, if beetroot did not interfere at all in pricing, then the prices would be as they are now quite high. yes, but they were, but the fuel would be for refueling. we have to restore our own production of fuel in general, because such ideas are also heard, it is difficult to imagine this in the conditions of war. but it seems to me that we can articulate the prospects of resuming our own production, although today we produce up to 10% of petroleum products at mini refineries, you

know that in addition to large composite-shift refineries, more than 30 mini-factories will increase, and this is also significant. sufficient. and recovery can only take place not only after the war, but only if ukraine receives iron security guarantees yes such compared to the fifth article of the nato article because if we simply push our enemy out of ukraine, but there will be no security guarantee then again, who will invest in infrastructure, including in the refinery, because that is why it is very important for us not just to win and to obtain the necessary security guarantees in order to be able to count on the restoration of the infrastructure. thank you very much, mr. volodymyr, for this extremely fruitful conversation. we hope that you will be heard in the government offices.

about the so-called strengthening of the ministry of energy , volodymyr omelchenko, director of energy programs , a structure that i highly respect, that is, the rumzkov center, let's move on, based on the previous topic, it is still interesting what will happen to the end consumer and the heat in his homes, taking into account that large-scale destruction in our country has suffered a large number of settlements e where people, if not totally and completely lost their housing, then have it totally damaged and you and i discussed the problem of how to rebuild at least there, cover it to your heart's content, and so on. well, if we look a little ahead, then how can it be heated later, because without this, we understand that normal life in these homes will definitely not be affected, well, and for this, in particular, they have to share with the direct owners of the housing and the decisions of the central authorities, representatives of local

self-government, and i really hope that mykhailyna skoryk is in touch with us, a member of the shkariv city council of the irpin city council, the deputy mayor of buchi . as far as i understand, mrs. mykhailyna, you are with us it can be literally in a couple of seconds mrs. skoryk of korivska will join us in the commutation process . well, zelenskyi called on the slob to give up balancing between ukraine and the russian federation, but i wonder what president zelenskyi will call for something. well, because we understand, we don't need to call anyone to do anything if someone is doing it. that means there is some kind of motivation. well, let’s go back to the topic of the kyiv region, but just a word before going on to the conversation in buch, in the residential complex of one of the e-e on borys hmyri street, they have already started to fall apart in fact, the houses and one of them

was badly damaged by a russian shell on the fourth of march, and this is obviously a consequence of the fact that some stories with the reconstruction or restoration of this house did not start in time, it simply continues to collapse . thank you, we congratulate you, mrs. mykhailyna. good day. i am also with your help. specialists can tell the degree of disassembly, that is, there is a difference in disassembling up to the first floor to the foundation, is it possible to leave some riser and only when the specialists check the structures? the government in cooperation with the

military-civilian administration, that is, there is still a complex system of financing, because we understand that all the money now mainly goes to the army, to the defense industry, and the work on the analysis of the wastes e-e and ro-ro- often performed by volunteers or with extra-budgetary funds, but with such houses with shares of houses and shares of apartments of people who are private owners, it is clear that it is necessary to understand at the state level. accordingly, we are waiting for the exhibition, we are working with an expert to speed up this conclusion , the mayor knows about the problems of this building, the deputies know how do you hear? now, we are communicating with the author of the bill, respectively, regarding compensation and the implementation of complex stories in order for people to have a place to live. roughly speaking, the draft law was voted in the previous reading, now amendments are being carried out and, therefore, according to you, mrs. mykhailyna, as the

acting representative of local self-government , the deputy mayor of the city that was canceled forever, and so on, what do you lack in this draft law? what mechanisms would you like to implement as soon as possible, in practice, see 730 families in need of new housing. that is, these are 730 apartments that cannot be restored, like this house that we discussed. that is, we understand that before winter, it is possible to offer some kind of temporary housing for the summer period, there are tent houses and they are offered by various organizations, but we understand that as soon as winter comes, they will freeze there, accordingly, it should be a heated room, it should be comfortable conditions and the best option among those that we saw on the market, there is a ukrainian manufacturer that makes such a-a hmm one-room carriages are warm and sleep with a node a-a you can even put solar panels there but it is clear that they need to be connected to the

sewage system and the price of such a thing is 10,000 euros already furnished house. and this is the cheapest and the best offer among those we looked at on the market. it would be good if, while the draft law is being developed , there are donors or you know some solutions for providing people with such temporary but comfortable housing, because people do not want to live in uncomfortable and are not ready to live as a rule, there are few good houses in them, and here are modern apartments, this will be all new in the suburbs of kyiv and bucha irpin, this will be all new, these will be the apartments that were looted by the russians because there was new technology and, accordingly, people who are returning, so they are ready to rebuild , they understand that there is a war, but they ask to provide them with comfortable temporary housing, and this is of course a big challenge for the local authorities, because at the same time, mrs. mykhailyna, there are people who are ready to

stretch some kind of film themselves, buy some wood. ukrainians work 100%, but the film and wood are, again, preservation for the summer period. and we are already thinking about frosts, about frosts minus 20, so what to do if you have windows, but in my house aa film and doors are also tightened with film or glass was yes, that is, there will be frost -20 i understand that my house is frozen there, a solution of some kind of compensation, but years of skeletons at their own expense, because unfortunately, well, with such especially minor injuries , the team is unlikely to help, but with more complex injuries, there must be a systemic solution of people, it is necessary to ensure warm, comfortable housing, from those offers that i have on the market, i say that the price of a trailer is in such a trailer. we would live with my family. lost their home because there are schools there, or are there adapted rooms in the sanatorium that are not heated in the summer

season and it is impossible to heat in the winter, unfortunately they are not suitable. that is why we need to monitor suitable housing, and there is very little of it, it is less than needed. live on the espresso tv channel, it was a pity to let go of mrs. mekhanino, it is very nice to hear when representatives of local self-government are able to express quite clearly what exactly they want and what they deserve the residents of that settlement in question, on the other hand, on the other hand, you need to understand that a large part of people from other ukrainian regions would probably agree to any conditions , in fact, the main thing is warmth, food and safety , the most important thing is that comfort is natural very good, but the state authorities should deal with the issue simply, at least on some scale, of unconscious

resettlement of these people, really very quickly, very quickly, very suffering, it is very important for us news time on the espresso tv channel, iryna kovalik will now present iro, we welcome you, we ask you to say thank you, colleagues are literally wintering, i will tell you about everything that is happening in ukraine at this time