we can do it by taking as many russians as possible in russia, by creating an exchange fund and then the time will come and you will be able to exchange us . those 2,500 ukrainian soldiers who, following the order, surrendered as prisoners, please, the russians do not have good plans for ukraine and ukrainians, all plans are either bad or very bad, so of course, that's what we want. we want the fastest exchange. and what does russia want? of this to make an informational picture, now they will be interrogated there, forced to show themselves to each other in order to talk there like how they tortured the prisoners, how they abused them well, in general, to show the world a picture that they are fascists, but

uh, we understand that the world civilization does not believe since the time of stalin's trials, where evidence was extracted let's say by illegal methods and the world will not believe them about this show will be held in any way they will be convicted, some part will be sentenced to the death penalty and only then their they will change, that is, there will be an exchange, but the exchange will be after the showmaster how everything is, this show and russia, for them it will be one of the key shows and it will be an excuse only for their own to show their population why are the vanechkas

dying ? russian soldiers or these court neoplasms wordlo because, well, in russia it seems that now there is no death penalty. that is, there will be courts in these neoplasms, right. this is not a russian court, we might have thought that the russian court is the one you were mocking, that is, if the court was under the jurisdiction of the dpr, because they consider mariupol to be an energetic city, that is why it will most likely be. it is necessary to form an exchange fund e-e it is necessary to form an exchange fund and it is necessary to tell the russians that it is warm in the ukrainian captivity

and it is not hot in the summer and they give borscht and so that they seem more active the russian army if they do not have rotations and if they do not there will be general mobilization, there will be no major rotations, this army will start to sail already in the fall with the rains, in the winter they will necessarily expand and they will actively surrender, then the main thing is to be captured, well, no matter what we do considered that there are no good russians for themselves, but even with bad russians you have to talk and speaks in putin's regime, a fool, uh, putin is kaput , russians, give up, so it will be important if there will be more opportunities for mobilization, will there be people who want to go to ukraine to fight, everyone who wanted to go to ukraine has already gone here , the main thing is that they can why else buy their

own for mobilization, when they themselves they will look at something there and say that we did it, the only thing that will increase motivation is to prove to russian citizens that they are really fighting the fascists because there are no other motivations, but all these conversations they are divided about what the calls and letters of the russian soldiers themselves, which uh, well, what exactly are the fascists here? they didn’t see them anywhere. and not once. alexander. and we still have the last questions about this story, alexander. we shouldn’t. it seems to me. the initiation of criminal cases and the sentencing in absentia of those people who are now there in the same institutions, well, we no longer have a sentence . not even a carp, but not according to carpentry, who is now calmly in a hospital somewhere, lives in your mansion for 20 million dollars near moscow, no according to those judges who are now handing out death sentences for

ukrainian soldiers, only yanukovych was convicted in absentia, and everything is actually possible in eight years of war, and we just need to give court verdicts at an accelerated pace to these people who are now engaged in collaboration or direct with the council, i am asking for everything we have problems with the judicial law enforcement system, yehor, you have just given another illustration that we have problems. of course, a long time ago, it was necessary to convey all these people through absentee courts and by conveyor where possible, because there are crimes, well criminal, various corruption, and so on, that is, but everywhere perhaps it should have been passed through the conveyor long ago correctly said about why it is you, er, it will rather be the dpr in the courts. and i would also like to add

one more factor: why, because they need this informational show that they want to arrange, in addition to proving that there are fascists in ukraine, they also need to make the remaining residents believe in the occupied territories and in russia about the fact that it was the azov people who destroyed mariupol. they distort everything, they do everything in order to convince that it was actually ukrainian military formations that destroyed civilian objects and justify why mariupol is in such ruins, why the inhabitants are in such ruins points where the russian army marched, they need to make them guilty, and they actually want to make servicemen guilty of these as one of the results of all these, as viktor correctly said torture of information companies into court sentences and so on, and that is why it is convenient to do it through the courts of the dpr , that is, they have a specific applied purpose

. unfortunately, before that there was no specific goal, a specific plan that all collaborators should be condemned there and so on, in general, we only had a law on collaborationism this year, in fact, well, it was put into effect by that time chatted in the form of bills and you and i on many broadcasts in our station and viktor and i and all the rest talked about the fact that we need a law on collaborationism. finally it is here. i hope they have drawn conclusions here. i hope they will draw conclusions in other parts of what will happen next. cnn wrote three scenarios, today they are meeting for the third time in the rammstein format, and so of these three scenarios of the development of russia's war against ukraine, this is the first, russia will be able to gradually capture new territories of luhansk region , donets region, the second, no one will be able to advance will a war of attrition is long and with consequences for the world economy, and the third scenario is considered the least

likely by western experts, that russia will say, well, we have achieved our goal and will try to move towards the end of hostilities, viktor, which scenario is the most likely? and the scenario of a counteroffensive ukraine is not considered here, this means that we will not be given heavy weapons, this will mean that we will be given heavy weapons. will putin mobilize or not if putin does not mobilize literally in a few weeks we will find ourselves in a situation where we cannot yet advance and they can no longer advance and a positional war will begin er where will be the main method of war er mutual artillery shelling and

er the counter-battery fight is, however, sooner or later we will have enough high-precision weapons to start, for example, to keep the eastern front in the south, to start advancing towards chongar and perekopa, because if we advance on the left bank, they there will be a threat to the boiler in kherson and they can go there themselves, because i can’t imagine otherwise, well, the biggest problem for us will be to take energodar first and then kherson, well, energodar, we understand why. because they can dig in right there and we won’t shoot at the station the most likely scenario for the next two months is a positional war, but if putin introduces mobilization, we are again not in equal conditions, their teachers have more mobilization potential than ours, they can put up four of their own for each of our conscripts, and that is why it hurts some scenario from these is the most likely positionally protracted war and then when we get a ride

for 2 months, but i want to warn you that anyway ukraine will start to advance and will start to advance in the south, we will be frank, many will speak not on camera, on camera everyone will speak we are for the integrity of ukraine we are in favor of that when there are many experts from western presidents, some lebanese professors, and not only that, there is someone even in the president's office who will say volodymyr oleksandrovich why do we need other than why do we need donbas let putin rebuild that mariupol there, the main thing is to show us a victory, and at least some kind of victory there to go to the borders of the luhansk donetsk regions conditionally . and will putin die again or not ? well, he will die sooner or later. for example, i'm going to survive him. that's right. you're still young, you're going through it 100%. then it will die, but

besides, they will not want to give it and let's dance from the fact that there is anyone in russia who will say let's let's return e-e, except for ukraine, he will be considered a traitor, because that is what is written in their penal code . that is why they are digging and mining there, and then war is really possible there, well, for tens of years, and the only thing that can be there is that there are some there and on some certain periods of time well, that's right, alexander, but is the problem only with putin, because when you start all the comments on social networks, the wives of these soldiers and representatives of russian society in general, it's just scary because they are all hated by ukrainians the fact that putin will not be there. well, little will change in their imperial attitudes and the desire to bring the whole world to its knees, how do you predict the development of this situation and whether they will convince us to

save putin's forest, agree somewhere in the middle, you know drunken fools who hate the whole world they still have different conditions. there is a time when they are violent and attack people, and there is a time when he is a drunken fool lying around in katy. it is the same story with putin. when putin goes underground, russia will be a drunken fool lying in a ditch, it will still be between mezhduztsariya therefore, it is still important for us that putin goes to the dead faster, but it is better to be killed, convicted at a tribunal, but either killed or convicted at a tribunal than to simply die by his own death, but it will definitely be different in russia when putin is absent , how much this percentage will seriously affect depends on how much ukraine will be different, the fact that ukraine is different as of today is obvious , and what has happened now with ukraine and with our society, the turn of the military commissariat led to the creation of military defenses and filling them with our soldiers and the defenders of the armed forces, the creation of more than 300,000

different e-e with the participation of 300,000 voluntary forms of territorial formation and led to the fact that ukraine also has a serious mobilization resource. and although it is less, as viktor correctly said, it is also the beginning of the supply of weapons and of the west led to the fact that the front almost stopped moving in these forecasts published by western experts, there is definitely a mistake about the fact that russia will continue to capture communities in the future, as of today more than 1,000 communities have been liberated in ukraine today every week somewhere in some corner of ukraine a certain village or town is liberated. if we talk about the last literally 4 weeks or even the month of june, then the liberated villages are located in kharkiv and kherson regions . ukrainian society is united in understanding the issue of victory by throwing out the enemy from all of occupied cities, entire villages on the agenda is the

city of kherson, the regional center of kupyansk, the second largest city of kharkiv in the lviv region , melitopol, berdyansk, mariupol volnovakha city happiness druzhkivka is waiting druzhkivka er-e borderline criminal happiness with druzhkivka everything is fine i apologize she is in the rear er-e that is on the agenda is a whole list of large cities from which actually a huge flow of refugees is increasing as of today a huge number of people seeing that they are temporarily absent our armed forces have the strength to liberate these cities, people in different ways through russia, through crimea, through checkpoints in the zaporizhzhia region, people are leaving these occupied communities and what is important how ukraine has changed, what makes us different scary from 2014-15, scary in the positive sense of that word is different, unlike 2014-15, if a large part of people in ukraine had the illusion that it is possible to let go of a piece of

territory and then somehow the war will calm down, ukraine will be a little smaller, but we will be documents without a war, how to give a part of the territory to the enemy, as of today, as all the people in western ukraine are far away, that is, they lack the experience of understanding in general what these territories are that we are talking about, although someone came to skadovsk for the sea or was in henichesk there on the arabatskaya arrow, but in general people lack understanding in western ukraine. what kind of territory are these, how did people live there, and so on ? with us or not er well , that’s right, santa formulates the program like this victor bondarenko and i’m interested in our er, these defensive formations at the level of tergromats, they are well, they are only now being formed in essence, and on the 24th, well, they were not there although we didn't even think that well for

a month they knew exactly, well, we all knew for a year british american intelligence warned us we just didn’t want to believe it ah, it’s time to ask the question why weren’t defensive formations formed at the level of tergromata because it was the tergromads who first met the enemy, in particular, in the krasnopil district of sumsk viktor region, you are with us to the authorities that if you say that you knew that you were preparing, why didn't you prepare, why did i get a weapon? it is not that on february 24, i could not get a weapon in sumy, but i think that this is very great mistrust of the government towards its own people, not to trust them, not to inform them, we live in our country, because they say that there should be no panic. and the second thing is that so that we do not panic, give us two horns and a machine gun, and at least we will already know how to meet and this was not done and that is why such questions must be asked why was

kherson surrendered well the sumys stood there somewhere and the circumstances turned out in our favor and the weapons so they surrendered in time and self-organized in time before that and stood out that's why they, uh, the russians are nothing here were able to to do, but kherson melitopol was lost by the berdians and it is a big uh-uh now what we lost in literally two or three days we can now win back two or three months and that is more so that we understand what you will lose to win back with a lot of blood and for this someone i have to answer. i am not ashamed to ask questions because, well, at least. when they say that let's live in harmony with the government, i'm ok , but let's not be. it's not like we smoke cigarettes first, and then each one has his own. so, there is no government in order to live in a friendly society. to close the three leading channels she still has to tell the truth to society she has to hit

the hands of those who right now, at this very second, are conducting purchases without tenders and catch where we see all these actors in handcuffs and on the contrary they say no and even about the budget, let's see why the budget is a big secret, why regional budgets are secrets, a lot of things are happening in the dark, and that's why the question is to ask questions or information all over ukraine. this is the money that lives. i have information. do you think it was time to cancel the money that is distributed is transparent, because we want to be helped in the future. and how do our western partners look at the opaque methods of the owner? i think that in terms of time it was necessary to offer it there sooner, for example, up to 15 days. but

it is not necessary to cancel it in order to answer requests and then you'll ask where did you spend the money and it was military money? yes, thank you, oleksandr, for that, i just wanted to finish the thought that the communities that were occupied from the south and the residents who are now leaving there, they were united in their thoughts and with residents of western ukraine who have no experience of living in those communities and those who want the liberation of these occupied territories, there is no split in the minds of ukrainians, so how has ukraine changed ? to restore all communities in ukraine, not all and all regions, not all ukrainians are now united in their thoughts, we must liberate the entire territory of ukraine, and that is why all these forecasts in the west about the fact that the enemy will advance about what

you will fall there and so on, this is nonsense. ukraine will definitely win and all our communities will be liberated and we will all rebuild, because this is what i want the ukrainian people, they are the only one, and regarding the second question about what happened with the purchase of the rules of the local self-government bodies , the rules of the bodies authorities of transparency of information and so on, it happened for one reason, the war dragged on, everyone thought when they exclude the regime of purchases of transparency websites , and so on, they thought about the fact that uh, do you remember how ukrainians, how long will this conflict last, well, 2-3 weeks at the most, that is, it turned out that for a certain period of time, the proper public control and participation of citizens in self-government and the possibilities of self-government bodies in general were tightened, and that is precisely at the national level regarding the transparency of budget purchases and so on. now we already see that the verkhovna rada does not take 30 days to make a decision on

martial law, and the verkhovna rada even last time made a decision on martial law directly for a quarter to august 23. well, we understand that when at such a speed, well, deoccupation of communities , militants are involved in this process, but we understand that it is generally until the end of the year, and taking this into account, the verkhovna rada began to change laws, began to adjust laws, it is time to do what viktor just spoke about, for example , to regulate the issue of procurement , procurement and you raised this issue you procurement should be transparent you asked transparent transparent anyway should start to resume again kiss to full except there certain some special procurement for the armed forces related to military things, that is, we must learn to go back to all the best standards of proper and good governance even in martial law conditions, with the exception of certain specific goods that should be usually under the

vultures . bureau of policy analysis thank you for engaging in political education and monitoring, e-e, permanently, not only when there is a war or not only when it's important, you can't turn off all these mechanisms that were acquired during the years of reforms, because by writing them off to war, well, because it rejects us from the same reforms and development and makes us dark. we welcome you now let's hear tetiana. good day. are you there today? rammstein iii in brussels, what do you know, what is happening now, that today here in brussels, at nato headquarters, representatives of the military departments of the countries of the world will gather on led by the minister of independent military assistance to

ukraine in the war, it will take place at the nato headquarters, as i already said, and as they informed, i informed the head of the pentagon, invitations to it were sent to all the ministers of war and to the heads of the armed forces of states from all over the world e-e should take place at 17:00 kyiv time from the opening speech we will hear a press conference by lloyd austin himself with the chairman of the joint committee of chiefs of staff milli e-e also at 12:00 kyiv time e- e press conference the secretary general of nato, he stoltenberg

, we will inform you about all decisions promptly, so don't stay. expresso is waiting for you in the studio just as we will end the broadcast and stoltenberg berg's press conference will begin. and was anyone from ukraine invited to this meeting for your information now i can't say uh i will inform you tetyana and what is the agenda in general i mean what documents and decisions can be adopted during today's meeting what are the expectations from the end today, please tetyana, we are not in touch with you at all. now we have and again we do not have

tetyana blynova from brussels there today we will meet with, we are trying to restore contact, it is interesting precisely about the decisions that may be adopted and made public there today. so that means that the situation at the places of hostilities in ukraine will be discussed there, the participants will discuss as an additional military aid that they can provide to ukraine in the near and medium perspectives also in the future to help ukraine to ensure victory in this war, the united states , for its part, is expected to confirm that it supports ukraine until until as long as it is necessary, noted the ambassador, mrs. smith , the us ambassador, especially juliana smith

. of the biden administration, the united states has already provided ukraine with 5.3 billion in security assistance and the next day, that is, tomorrow, thursday, a nato ministerial meeting will be held at the level of the heads of defense departments of the countries and members of the alliance on the issue of nato's response to the current security situation related to russia's war against ukraine, as well as the deterrence and defense policies of the alliance and support for ukraine will be on the agenda of this meeting with how do you hear about your question. unfortunately, i don't have any information right now, but i know that we all know, so that the ukrainian, uh, ukrainian military official, ukraine needs a powerful one, unfortunately, we cannot hear tetyana blinova, a correspondent from brussels, in full, there

will be this same meeting today at the nato headquarters in the steinmeier format - these are the defense ministers of the 50s countries, she mentioned the president of germany, for some reason, yes. well, the chancellor of germany, the president of france, and who else do we have, the italian leader, yes, the dredges should come to ukraine. and even if it does not take place, the information about it was thrown around, possibly in order to see the reaction, and we have another decision expected on our membership or candidacy for membership in the european union, and there should also be information about it this week and in june will be the same, this june is very full, meanwhile, at a great cost, at the cost of great losses, ukraine is fighting the occupier in anticipation

of heavy weapons. on the defense of ukraine was initiated by the united states of america and the state department back in april, the first meeting took place in the german rammstein at the end of april, the second meeting is already known as reinstein rammstein ii took place in a virtual format on may 23, and according to the ukrainian minister of defense reznikov, the state support of ukraine has turned into a whole coalition today. meeting number three, we will expect the real consequences of real military support, the acceleration of the provision of weapons, first of all, from the video, yes, we can see the video of the first meeting on screen well, the topic of ukraine will be discussed there, although the

experts there are constantly repeating that, well, you don't think that ukraine is the main topic for the whole world, but ukraine is the topic that has definitely changed the world order and the order of world security, and nato is precisely the organization that claims the security function, first of all, to fulfill this function, and in the world , the fact that they have to come up with new tools and revise their authority to ensure this security in the world is already certain well, and these three scenarios that we talked about today will probably also be considered there, of course, the scenarios of how the situation in ukraine will develop, well, of course, at the beginning, ukraine was not given weapons, and the right to receive some kind of weapon in general our armed forces of ukraine are fighting in battle right now, and another sad news from mariupol: in mariupol, another twenty- one children have been killed, the number of child victims to date

has reached 313 ukrainian children who died as a result of russian aggression into ukraine, at least 892 children were injured as a result of invasion about all the crimes of non-humans, in particular, now we have news without it, we will hear more from anna eva melnyk news on espresso directly on the course anna is here for your word, thank you for your work then the news editor will work on everything that is most important , on what worries and is important to each of us, then stay with us, i will start with the fact that the enemy does not stop shelling the donetsk region, two people were killed, three more were wounded .