the presidents of some countries may visit ukraine on june 15-16. i think this is really primarily a matter of security, because i myself participated in the preparation of such and such a visit to ukraine and until the last moment there were no reports that someone somewhere is going uh, so i think for these leaders of big countries, it is primarily a matter of security, and i think that they can really appear in kyiv, maybe not tomorrow, but at some point they will be there, and if the main purpose of such visits is, for example, what was recently ursov fonder-line is that the ukrainian high-ranking officials would then have, let's say, a compromise, some kind of communication position on the same both from the ukrainian side and from the european side, and so that there would be no mutual accusations later. i think, er, these visits mean that

things should move in in the right direction, here we will add only a short comment about who will come, e.e. the prime minister of montenegro accepted the invitation of the ukrainian president and e.e. also e.e. the prime minister of albania agreed to come, well, this is actually already in response to our invitation, because the ukrainian the president actually proposed the idea of ​​a joint visit to kyiv by the prime ministers of the western balkan countries, first of all nato members, and montenegro and albania also joined this idea of ​​this action in order to send a message of support from the western balkans in support of the sovereignty and integrity of ukraine. the truth is important. the prime minister of macedonia refused. but he promised that he would come, he would definitely come another time. he referred to the workload in his biography regarding such and such a question.

in particular, there was the position of ms. henrike ignashi, who in 1991 was a minister in the government of a very important transformational government. and what is it? well, there is such an interesting opinion that ukraine is now approximately poland in 1989, that is, poland from the very beginning of the movement to integration into the european union a-a and in fact, such countries as poland, for example, can be very useful in order to overcome this path of e-e harmonization of legislation as soon as possible. we always think that it is primarily some economic criteria, but they emphasize it a little differently, it is in your opinion, in your opinion, how czech is it, in particular, how good is it, the assessment is that in which year is ukraine, if we take the czech language the experience on the way to the european union

is here. i can tell you that the inclination of the eu expansion was specific and it was er if in its er it is very difficult to compare ukraine now with poland in the 90s because, for example, ukraine also made some progress on the way reforms and then poland the number of yours began, and the movement from communism to a democratic democratic system , and it is also important to remember that there are certain general criteria for membership, they have not changed, these are the so-called copenhagen criteria, and they, for example, relate to human rights, the state of democracy, the state of legal of the state, but also from the so -called ability to compete on the common european market, and here i would like to have questions according to economic criteria, well, there are no professional ones regarding ukraine, but then questions regarding the functioning of the legal state, er, regarding, let's say, guys

of law enforcement agencies. that is, there is the fight against corruption. that is, there are criteria. ukraine is coming, well, i would even say that i am from what happened in poland in the 90s, uh, that's why here every every example of expansion is a release, a specific one, there is also a general geopolitical change. er, the size of all these expansions is therefore very i would even say that it is dangerous to compare ukraine with certain countries with certain precedents in the past because the situation is not the same as it was then, of course. the importance of whether such a defeat will be such a candidate's status as a candidate, this is first of all a very symbolic and moral impulse for ukraine, for ukrainian society, i think also for your armed forces, because it means such a

consolidation of your external geopolitical course on and in the european direction to the euro-atlantic direction, and this will mean that if you launch and already the first one like measles, so that ukraine is already considered in the eyes of the west as a potential candidate and as a potential member. that is this geopolitically changes the position of ukraine, ukraine leaves the post-soviet space and becomes part of the european family, this is the same as the baltic republics, which were also post-soviet and then joined the european union, and no one considers them as part of the post-soviet space, let's say the sphere of fairly direct russian influence although russia wants so, but this uh, this is such a cloak of the european union. he would protect these countries and, of course, on the countries of the european union on the countries that are candidate members and on

membership will be much more difficult to apply. here are such aggressive steps as russia is now taking, that is, even the candidate status to some extent was able to change the defense ability of ukraine. thank you very much for this answer. of the union in ukraine was with us. thank you very much for the conversation and the next guest will join us in a moment. we continue to talk about the latest news. informs that the armed forces of ukraine have carried out an airstrike on the area of ​​the concentration of occupiers in the mykolaiv oblast. this cannot but please us. the occupiers did not hesitate

, the ukrainian units are also fighting the enemy, knocking them out of the mykolaiv oblast, and at dawn in pairs of helicopters accurately attacked the area of ​​the enemy's concentration. i would like to know more details, but at the moment the enemy's losses are being specified. it is also reported that colonel serhii pustun serhii postunov, the head of the information response group of the first department of the department of armed movement from the russian guard , died on the night of june 14, that is, outside of the night yesterday, in fact, the day before yesterday. and in ukraine for four months, he performed official duties. here, in the words of the next guest, this is news to andrii

we voice it more often actually now we will talk about more global uh global aspects actually with valery, a diplomat, an extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, congratulations mr. valery i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes today discussions about ukraine continue in brussels, in particular , a meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine is taking place there well and the secretary general of nato spoke and jen stoldenberg said that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi is expected at the nato summit in the format in which you can join and this summit will actually take place in madrid on june 29-30, and earlier it was already known from the media that zelensky was planned to be asked to the summit, but now it can already be said that the official statement at the same time, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine,

dmytro kuleba, admitted that he does not expect positive results for what do you think, mr. valery, and should we expect that the actual discussion of ukraine's admission to nato will move from place to place now? we discussed with davyd stulik about the process that is currently ongoing with ukraine receiving the status of ukraine candidate for membership in the european union, what do you think about the fact that the question of ukraine's accession to nato can become more active now and it is possible to take place even before our accession to the eu, what can we expect in particular from the nato planned in madrid, i will start with our permission that today is indeed an important day and the meeting of the defense ministers of the nato countries, the minister of defense of ukraine

otsi reznikov has been invited. the general secretary has already announced that we should wait for news this evening and in principle his position, which was voiced at his briefing, is quite optimistic . of some mechanisms or formats, we talked about an action plan regarding membership, but we see that finland and sweden submitted an application without this action plan directly, therefore, in principle, this issue should not be removed on the agenda for us, even due to the fact that at the summit in madrid, no decisions will be made on this matter, it is clear that the decision regarding ukraine will be important for us, but it will concern two obvious things, firstly, it is a new

strategic concept nato is here in 2030, where russia will already be deleted there from the previous concept as a partner, and will in its new status actually be an enemy of nato and secondly, that ukraine will of course take its place in these plans as well. e.e. in the ukrainian armed forces and in the entire security and defense sector and nato, a package with the help of ukraine will be adopted, which will relate not only to the directly necessary e.e., today’s help because the military, but also prospective actions, do not know ukraine. that is, it is quite optimistic look but there really won’t be any decisions on membership at this summit somewhere a couple of weeks ago, joe

biden published in the new york times what appears to be a programmatic article, a manifesto, i can say, it seems to me like this with the title of what the usa will do in ukraine what will not be done? in fact, ido and after him continue to be criticized, in particular, the gate for career, he wrote a column about what he mentioned about biden, and the administration is essentially the administration of barack obama, except that without obama himself and reminded that the samba racobami and the administration just couldn't react in time to the threats from russia and actually this will lead to a further war in ukraine on a large scale and he says that in fact the last chance is now in the bay, and there is also wesley clark general former the commander of the joint command and eh again eh and n- eh it was disgusting it was also the former general of the united forces of nato in the european union they all say that they would have already acted eh whether or not or

finally no no biden should reconsider his positions so that he does not do it in ukraine. why does he in principle close these options, for example, a direct confrontation with russia? why do it at all? i asked a strange question: why does the president of the united states close the option of a direct confrontation with russia, because he simply does not want war 2- x nuclear states of from the point of view of the national interests of the united states, this is understandable , but from the point of view of our e-e. of course, we would need a position of the united states such as, for example, adding that jodobalnym declared that in the event of an attack on taiwan, america will fight for taiwan, including with its own armed forces. of course, we need such a deep defense agreement that would provide for the direct involvement of the united states in joint defense. well , and accordingly, ukraine in the joint defense of the united states. we currently do not have such a format. everything

joseph byron is doing today. pentagons, state governments - this is very different , as it is from the really baroque period, although at that time the sanctions policy had already begun and the beginning of providing us with e-e equipment and training programs, but now it's really all much larger, we need this dynamic to be even greater from our point of view. well and in fact, the usa is following this track. well, p . will and will there be a breakthrough that will mean real full-scale support that will allow us to quickly knock the enemy out of our

land what happened in the first days after the full-scale formation on february 24 and this is a discussion if behind closed doors in washington said that ukraine should win and this is a huge result and now actually all statements go only in this direction, that is, if there were any fluctuations, then the invasion or determination there and in the first days then there were decisive actions, then there was a very difficult situation with threats of a nuclear stop from the russian needle, but the usa also found answers here with 14 allies , that is, they resolutely from the church threats or threats

. what is happening is realistic. the usa has given ukraine four billion 600 million dollars of aid in these 112 days. i mean only weapons . in the field of defense security, if we want to continue such an increase in cooperation, we also need to do our part to not only preserve but strengthen this trust. well, then time will tell for us now the people of america and, by the way, there are many citizens in europe, so i think if we will rely on such interaction to build trust with one or another leader of the country who was present, who is currently in charge of such countries, is it from the usa, i think we will go

in the right direction, the only thing is, of course, all of us ukrainians want this to happen as soon as possible, this is the first and secondly, i personally believe that not only russia must be defeated, but further attempts to attack ukraine and ukraine, the baltic states, and european countries must also be made impossible. for this, ukraine should consider the format of the main one immediately receives an umbrella, security. i believe that the best option is too much membership in us here we have to talk to them about it. today valery chalyi, a diplomat and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine, was on the phone with us, and what are we going to talk about more about waiting for the results, which we can already talk about rammstein the meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine in brussels in the next hour we will have from

brussels and there will be military and political observers and actually military experts who will help us understand exactly what to expect from this meeting and in general, uh, what weapons now in ukraine we need someone who doesn’t have children and who might be arriving right now, well, we probably don’t have anyone to talk to about it, but it’s worth mentioning that, unfortunately, yesterday we had such a loss that he died under a raisin, roman town hall, young, 25, it seems we know his activist, i know him as he was one of the first students who was beaten when the revolution of dignity was just beginning, the maidan of dignity in the 13th year, he was a guest of the studio and was still bloody with his head beaten, then he was still a young student of the kyiv-mohylyan school. but we are losing

the best, we are losing the best in this war, unfortunately. but it is all the more important to remember the price that the country and society pay for freedom and independence, this is true. i agree with your words, andriyu, this is a terrible tragedy, the loss of the son of a ukrainian writer svetlana povalyaeva and taras the town hall journalist, so he was actually in intelligence, that is, really very dangerous, dangerous, specialization in war, he did not look for any comfortable opportunities. and actually, that is why ukraine suffered such a loss, all the more important to remember some of his certain testament because i watched him the last posts in social networks and he where he was very indignant , actually, er, that many ukrainians are not

ready to give up russian, they are not ready, well , if they take that step and and actually find their ukrainian identity to stop being there readers of pushkin and praise of good russian well, it seems to me that this is a good instruction of his a person who gave his life because as we remember everyone gives something some give everything why do economists join our conversation we should actually go to the economy with at least it is very difficult to switch from topic to topic, especially when we are talking about saying goodbye to the best ukrainians , now in touch with us are boris kushniruk, an economist and taras e cossack-financier, the president of the investment group univer ta, a member of the kyiv city council from the voice party greetings gentlemen good day and i would like to start with er with today's event called

the st. petersburg economic forum, which is scheduled for june 15-18, which is called the russian version of the forum in davos, switzerland, and er, if international journalists always work in davos the coolest so there is farid zaharia, er, in christian amenpour, you won’t see anyone there. they cut him off on youtube. i heard that he was also invited to this forum. so i think he can easily portray himself as any ilona mask, for example. so they console themselves with fur coats. they can, in principle, be discussed. look . well, first of all, i don't is just as big a fan of the

davos form, because this forum is more like that , well, what is called a gathering of the global business and political elite that discusses, well, let's say the development of the world. that is, it does not conclude this, there is no global decisions made there there is nothing like that, there is only a discussion of something. in this regard, i can say that the forum in st. petersburg is also a simple discussion, but there the party is smaller and the level of discussion is also more primitive, but by and large, let's say that there will be no consequences now if we talk about the saint-petersburg form , then everyone understands that this is a conversation with themselves, because none of the respectable persons for even a moment now

, even in theory, would consider coming to this forum in saint-petersburg and the retinas of the eyes uh, ok they are trying to pretend that something is happening with them, that they are discussing something, although it is obvious that ah-ah, we will say it in the glasses and what is discussed, then everyone will discuss it. so how are we going to live with the fact that in fact in russia they drive people not even at 20, but at 19th century from the point of view of technology, everything else, because all this will not be eh e there already in a few years. well, we have just that the usa is boycotting the russian economic forum in st. petersburg with the participation of putin, we were so afraid of an attempt on putin that we refused to accreditation even to a moscow journalist who has relatives in ukraine well, in general, as reported by the espresso site,

the leadership of the so-called dpr and lpr , the declared terrorist republics, and terrorists from the taliban, entered the forum. the ticket to this forum costs a million rubles. people paid this money to a businessman in order to to conclude any kind of deals now, and to conclude any kind of agreements-contracts with russia makes little sense, because i doubt that this feed has any sense at all. i am also addressing mr. taras, see, i have read such an opinion, actually, this is a polish foundation called the leviatasia confederation - it is the largest representation of polish business at the european commission of the european parliament, the opinion is so simple that a war in ukraine can it may last for years with less intensity, but if there is a forecast that ukraine will receive an application now, you must not delay, do not

wait for the end of the war, you must start working already , that is, you must start making reforms, you must create a special agency under the government it is necessary for the government to be 100% pro-european and charged with reforms. what do you think about this, or were the reforms timely during the war, mr. taras, there were timely reforms before the war, during the war, and after the war, because we are a really poor country, economically undeveloped, it is unpleasant realize but this is so if you look at the gdp before the war in 2021, the highest it was only about four thousand, four and a half thousand dollars per person, this is very little because the poles of eastern europe have about 15-20 thousand dollars or euros and western countries have 50 000 that is, we are 10 times behind in terms of gdp and in terms of the country's income per person. therefore, when there is a discussion in europe about whether to grant

ukraine candidacy for the eu or not, it is about whether we will become a full-fledged candidate or we will become a candidate for candidates and there are certain prerequisites. we still need to become a full-fledged candidate. we will know this for sure on the 23rd, which is directly related to the reforms themselves. well, of course, we do not have the rule of law, we have a very acidic investment climate in the courts are corrupt, we all know this, the business is screaming about it, and for some reason no current or previous government wanted to carry out these reforms, because it is probably more convenient when the courts are pocket-sized, when it is possible for the bodies to target political opponents, and so on. the reforms are really timely and during the war, and it is today that we

must do these reforms, and i hope that this whip is a financial whip, because ukraine needs help from europe from our other partners, and this whip will be for horses, because gingerbread is still that didn't work, you know, president zelenskyi made two statements during the current week, which seemed somewhat contradictory to me. can you explain their meaning to ordinary people, well, that is, first he said that we will completely get rid of the shadow economy, we will not have a shadow economy, and at the same time he said that in we already have so many anti-corruption agencies that, in principle, we don't have any. well , this can't be an argument why ukraine shouldn't take it, because we already fight corruption more than any other european country and of the european union. we are very good at pretending that we are fighting corruption. it is clear to us ukrainians that corruption has not produced any serious

anti -corruption rabbits. they are fighting , they are fighting with political opponents, mainly for zelenskyi, about the fact that there should not be a shadow economy. well, to be honest, i did not understand this statement at all, what was meant, and because , uh, today, when, uh, the economy will decline, when in a huge number of us left the country when the laws did not work because some laws were not adapted to wartime, it is better to have at least some kind of economy than none because even the shadow economy is uh-uh jobs thank you i also want to give the opportunity to speak to boris there is less left two minutes p boris, a few remarks , first of all, i am absolutely convinced of the incorrectness of all these calculations regarding the level of ukraine's gdp, there are two

factors, and it is well known, first of all, ethnicization is very significant, which in fact was, well, let's say increases real gdp per capita and there are factors, let's say there is a level of a-a price scale, the price because it is also not eh, well, it does not correspond to reality, and due to this a-a in the real gdp in the dollar environment in terms of purchasing power parity is much higher than that to the point that we don't fight corruption well, first of all, if we recall, it was during the time of the previous president that we had the formation of uh, anti-corruption bodies and started judicial reform. we have all stopped now, but it's a little different story, i wouldn't like it now to get into a discussion on this issue, and in fact, unfortunately, i am sure that the problem is that these statements of mr. zelenskyi and the government officials in

recent years show that our main problem is really not corruption, but corruption is clean in the form of combat, it is impossible and possible reduce its influence if you carry out reforms if you understand what needs to be done so now the main system is the level of qualification and this well, by the way, there were problems with the previous governments, eh. what will the level of qualification be? unfortunately for the time, the system is very interesting, very close to me, how exactly does he think that corruption is more of a symptom than some separate disease that can be amputated simply in the body of the country. three in brussels and about many other things, well, mainly the hour will be devoted to military topics, now iryna kovalisto, a fresh news release, take your word for it. thank you, maria. well, as always, about the situation in various