and the country that will block everything in this matter, will the alliance be able to create an effective strategy to counter the russian federation in the east and in particular in the black sea region, the leadership of the alliance said that the maritime components of the black sea will receive considerable attention but attention to words, whether it will be implemented in some action, and in the end, it is definitely important to us, whether ukraine will be mentioned at all, all strategies, how it will be mentioned, and these will determine our euro-atlantic perspective in this decade just one question, if you allow me, the french president, macron, actually said at the meeting with his romanian colleague that ukraine will have to refuse to negotiate with putin with russia, that is,

as i understand it, to make some concessions, that is, to fix somewhere, i don’t know, some russian conquests. i have it. is it him? meant. well, blumber also writes that the russians, on the one hand, are exhausting the possibilities for an offensive, on the other hand , we see that they are actively building defense systems where they can no longer advance further after all, your opinion about this further development of the war. well, here i completely agree. it goes to the macron. ukraine is ready to give the cote d'azur to russia in exchange for the end of the war, but our territory and we do not know what it is, oleg. ukrainian wrestlers would also like to deal with the negotiations between turkey

and the russian federation. were invited to a meeting in incari, which took place on june 8, where the actual issue of black sea shipping was considered. the minister of foreign affairs of russia, sergey lavrov, was present. diplomacy . so we see that the russians generally act like savages and uh and ignore any international norms, rules and conventions, not to mention uh, about uh, such uh, such moments as uh meetings. so here we are talking about the principles of humanism, to what extent they are adhered to, or more precisely

, violated by russia when it will be properly punished for this, but still, what could be the effect of these negotiations without ukraine, and should we even pay attention to this negotiation track? i think that it is not for nothing that they say that the victory between the ministers of foreign affairs in russia and turkey was primarily concerned with the unblocking of ukrainian ports, in fact, most likely, the main track of their negotiations was related to syria from the activity of the turks in the north of syria, where the russians have certain positions, after the start of the war with ukraine, russia is catastrophically rapidly losing its position there like an avalanche, and the offensive launched by the turks in the north of the series puts their efforts are generally marginalized there, and

lavrov tried to somehow come to an agreement with the turkish side in a second way. i think that one of the unarticulated topics of the meeting was the issue of sweden and finland joining the north atlantic alliance and the position of turkey what about them and here moscow offered certain kavushki eh the topic of ukrainian grain is definitely a win-win, but for publicizing or negotiations, well, in particular , how they announced their proposals, it seems that the newspaper is also

here, or komsomolska pravda, where it was said that it was agreed that the turks would export grain from ukrainian ports and then hand it over to the russians for inspection and monitoring to the bosphorus straits, well, this is complete nonsense and a lie, mmm , i don't think that such a format of the victory should be used at all, eh, who writes that we were not called to a meeting and we are not obliged to accept its conditions or conclusions, we have enough bread, so we run ahead transportation definitely does not need a resource in our hands. let them ask and we will think, but we definitely will not allow them to decide for us. if you have a comment at the end, please. yes,

just for a moment, about the russian-turkish negotiations, in fact, the turks need to talk with the russians about the smuggling of ukrainian grain from the kherson region, which russians operate turkish ports, which they carry through the straits to syria , stolen goods, this is smuggling, this is stolen property of others, ukrainian property, and in the end , turkey can become a very unpleasant position of an ally of theft. let it be better is thinking about it, it is probably true, the ambassador of ukraine to turkey, vasyla bodnar, said that russia exports ukrainian grain-producing countries, in particular, to turkey . and actually there would be a number of ukrainian materials

media about why turkey accepts stolen grain and ukraine should do something about it. thank you, mr. pavly and pavlo lekhchuk, head of security programs at the center for global studies, strategy 21, was our guest. the main thing is not to bend the stick, we absolutely had such a kuchma who was very vector and what all this led to was the fact that we actually had 30 years to develop the country and prepare for war with russia, and to be honest, we came close to war not they are very ready and not exactly developed, although everyone in kuchma is super-duper, they still consider him a cool president, well, that’s right, let’s go back to idt dud. what is rammstein, all ukrainians actually know what rammstein is, those who have never haven't listened to the german band of the same name, cool, what is rammstein, in fact, our

correspondents have prepared a short material to remind you of what it is, and then we will discuss it all with oleksandr kovalenko, the city's political observer, information resistance. here at in this short tweet, us secretary of defense lloyd austin announced a new ramstein-style meeting i'm going to brussels to hold the next in- person meeting of the ukraine defense contact group defense leaders from literally all over the world will be there to discuss the current crisis in ukraine following an unprovoked invasion this is russia 's third international meeting dedicated to military assistance to ukraine in the fight against the russian federation. the first time it was held at the initiative of the pentagon on april 26, two months after the start of a full-scale war the venue was the rammstein air base in germany, from where the undisclosed name of the next summits appeared, then the coalition gathered representatives of the defense departments of 43 countries, the

negotiations lasted more than 7 hours, and based on their results, several important decisions were made, including the creation of an advisory group on the defense of ukraine, as well as the transition of the ukrainian army on weapons of nato standards, all in order to ensure full compatibility of the armed forces with the armies of the north atlantic alliance countries. we cannot waste time. today's briefing clearly showed why the next weeks will be so critically important for ukraine, so we have to move at the speed of war. and i know that all the leaders who are present here today are determined to support ukraine in its fight against russian aggression and atrocities, which took place online on may 23, almost 50 participants from 20 countries are present announced new aid packages, including ammunition for artillery , coastal defense system tanks and armored vehicles, including anti-ship missiles, harpoons

, salvo missile systems, himers, and installations m-270 with a firing range of up to 80 km. the so-called rammstein 3 meeting is scheduled for june 15. the meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine will be held in brussels at the nato headquarters. it will be chaired by the head of the us department of defense voight austin . the most important issue is new supplies of weapons and other support from western countries. the day before , deputy defense minister hanna malyar said that ukraine will once again emphasize the need for heavy weapons and anti-aircraft defense. and the minister himself of defense oleksiy reznikov, together with the commander-in-chief of the armed forces valery zaluzhnym and the us ambassador bridget bring discussed ways to support the pace of supplying necessary weapons to ukraine bridget brink noted that the united states is doing everything to ensure that ukraine gets the necessary opportunities for its defense, her words are also supported by

the statements of pentagon chief lloyd austin, who previously stated that the usa is ready to provide ukraine with everything necessary to protect its independence and sovereignty , we are returning to the studio oleksandr kovalenko already i hope to be with us e p oleksandr good day congratulations actually, i found dreams. there was some kind of special replication. i'm just here looking at the fact that in moscow, a well-known intelligence officer, a retired general, major general sotskov, 90 years old , is actually a major general of the foreign intelligence service, and we'll talk about that already in the next hour and now let's start with rammstein and let's start with this mr. oleksandr actually let's try to understand

what to expect now from the meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine, we know that the issue of how military aid can be provided to ukraine in the near and medium term is under consideration. well, we know what is most needed. we will now deal with this in more detail. we have heard many critics, from very high-ranking military personnel, in particular from the united states of america, of those packages that have already been approved regarding ukraine and those weapons that have already been highlighted, now we will analyze it in more detail, but still, what is on the agenda today, what to expect uh, according to your uh, expectations from the third rammstein well, actually, i it was not even mentioned by the third ramstein, it is already more brussels let's say so, but what to expect, first of all, we now have to understand what ukraine really needs in order to not just,

but when they say we need victory, we have to win, but what is the most effective way to do it? weapons that would help to do this most effectively and speed up our counteroffensive, especially support is needed where it is the russian occupiers who are the most destroyed, or to protect our territories in those directions where the russians are directly the occupiers now have a quantitative advantage, first of all, we are talking about high-precision weapons , about long-range high-precision weapons, which they have been talking about for almost a month, almost for a month . systems of volley fire with an object destruction range of up to 70 km and a direct accuracy of up to

5 m of deviation from the target, but we do not see them yet. yes, of course, they are working towards us, but as mykhailo podolyak announced in his tweet that will be agree on 300 e-e rszv, but did not specify. and what exactly are 300 rzv, because the multiple rocket launcher systems can still be soviet - style. indeed, the victory of the negotiations, as you say, and this will have an effect that is very good for this purpose, for this meeting, when they will call rammstein iii, but still, i believe that it will not be 300 hryvnias for western-style visas, but they will still be combined with by the soviets, which we also need

of course, anti-ship missile systems to start at least the first stage of the deoccupation of the black sea, where the blockade of the black sea is first of all, of course, we are talking about the pkrk and the harpoon that have already arrived in ukraine, which have already been handed over and put on combat duty, but we need not units well, they need not be artificial, it should be tens of tens of pkrk which will not fight at all, and any e capabilities of the russian military flotilla e in the black sea e threaten both shipping and directly the mother part in ukraine, of course, they will help to knock out the russian invaders from the snake island, from which they are now making their fortress in relation to other weapons, and it is also necessary to understand that ukraine has urgent needs not only for military equipment, but for foreign weapons, that is,

we must, if we say, go through the same rro we we must rzm, we must also understand it that in addition to reactive ammunition, we need tactical tactical ones that are able to destroy the enemy with high precision at a distance of up to 300 km, that is, we are already talking about agmatechan eh ammunition on this topic i i also expect that they will be carried out, and therefore i believe that after all, rammstein - 3 is quite broad and quite voluminous prospects for the supply of weapons to the armed forces of ukraine, which was already necessary yesterday. well, we will see, oleksandr. interesting comments about the actual needs mentioned by the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine podolyak, meaning the defense needs that ukraine needs to

defeat russia, about 1,000 howitzers, about 300 rocket launcher systems, etc. vesli clark, the former commander-in-chief of the allied forces of the united states and nato, during the regular meeting of the atlantic council dedicated to ukraine, noted that the ukrainians need 300 howitzers, 500 tanks, and armored vehicles in 2011. but we do not have this simply because the equipment is not available and this is a fact philip bridla is a retired general of the us army, the commander of the combined forces of nato in europe in 13-16 adds that in the usa they made a big announcement what is being transferred to ukraine rsv but it is only four fire units i was told that we are talking about 84 shells, these ammunitions will not be enough even for one day, so what do you think about this assessment and this verdict, the equipment is needed, but it is not available, and if it is not available in

sufficient quantity, how to get out of this situation and overcome it well, we need to clarify a little if we are talking directly about howitzers, mykhailo podolyak, he directly indicated the caliber of these howitzers - it is 155 mm, but he did not emphasize that these will be m-77s, yes indeed. if we are talking about m-77s, then they are in service with the e-e army usa and a little more than a thousand, but we are talking about artillery in general, artillery of 155 mm caliber, and what is it? it is not only 877 - it is, for example, the m109 hall, of which there are also more than 1,000 in service with the us army, and these are also other self-propelled guns, for example, the polish crab, which are already these are the french caesars coming to us, and these are again other, uh, other weapons, the italian

fh-70, and others, others, not only the m77, that is , well, in fact, they have a thousand howitzers, which they manipulate the data about that, i will not argue with the generals and especially the us but if we will see the archives of such a company as lokhin martin, which produces the m270 rzv, according to their archives. and for 2015, the us army had contracted up to 900 units of the m270. and i am not talking about the m-142 heimers, that is,

sometimes you can really argue about how much. -270 they can also give them to us to provide, and we now see how, in addition to the united states, the united kingdom transferred to them on gumi for this, er, such manipulation, it er, is caused primarily by the fact that, after all, this is secret information, secret information about what will be supplied to ukraine in what quantity and in what quantity are our international partners ready to hand over these weapons ? because when we say, you know this, when they said four units, namely, the m270, well, four units of the m270, but who said, who said that all of them will be transferred, not four batteries, then it turned out that it will be four more from great britain, four from germany, let although everything is very difficult with germany, but the information

, you know, looks like this now and is a little manipulative, first of all, in order to really secretly transfer these weapons as much as possible and so that the enemy does not really knew how much we have. well, no line, when it will appear in our place. it is clear. and that is. can we consider that we literally have 3 minutes left, or these tim -240? under the condition if indeed they will be highlighted, conditionally speaking, by the intelligence of the united states, which can change the course of events against the background of the fact that they say that russia is losing its offensive power little by little, but at the same time, ukraine does not have very many opportunities for a turning point regarding the m270, then really and this is a universal reactive system volley fire that can use both

high-precision rocket munitions at a distance of up to 70 km and tactical missiles at a distance of up to 300 km, and this is its e-e uniqueness a-a because we use for example, when we talk about our samples of weapons, then the use of tactical ammunition. this is either point v or the russians have it iskander and also point o. if we talk about jets or there are supplies, then it is hail, tornado, hurricane. and they cannot be universal and combined. and in m270 m -142 it is and it is really high accuracy, high technicality and high technology of the use of these ammunitions, it enables us to have an influence will give us an opportunity to influence precisely the course of hostilities even without being directly in the zone where it can be counterbattery actions against our units yes, they can be destroyed by fire, and from the enemy's side,

there is one point that i would like to ask about, uh , these deliveries of western weapons are so slow. we have, because we still need it, so the ministry of defense says that today ukraine has received 10% of weapons from the entire request, which provided measures for the supply, deputy minister of defense hanna malyar said about this reported well, what exactly is the reason, the publication spiegel points, for example, to the tank embargo that secretly exists between the united states, great britain, france and germany and writes that germany refuses to supply tanks to ukraine directly because it is afraid of escalation, they fear that the ukrainian military will be able to use these tanks for an invasion in russia, and this can in some way

make germany a party to the conflict, and we listen to the statements of the german chancellor himself. germany does not send its tanks to ukraine so that our soldiers did not attack them on the territory of russia, so that our soldiers would take the position that this is meant. i just took the excerpt from the media so that the ukrainian soldiers did not attack them on the territory of russia, and that's actually how ulafa scholtz is interpreted by the german press itself we provide weapons to ukraine, but we will not motivate ukraine to give it the opportunity to invade russia, well, let's note that president volodymyr zelenskyi has already repeatedly said that we need long-range weapons in order to reach the enemy's position on our land and nobody is going to fire at civilian objects, especially on the territory of russia. well, maybe military bases, maybe military airfields. yes , it is possible some chains of arms supply to some areas close to the border, but

we are definitely not interested in shelling civilians. everything is in place and this is not a public embargo on long-range weapons, in particular on tanks, and how to deal with this, do you see any realistic prospects that it can be broken in the near future , but tanks are short-range weapons, long-range weapons - this is first of all artillery created and reactive, and in relation to nouns and long-range weapons. i apologize, and then, that long-range, well, again, the m-77 is precisely a long-range weapon, as well as other self-propelled guns and reactive salvo systems, so there is no baron for this, but in relation to the opposition it is indeed true. it blocks the transfer of, for example , leopard 2 a4 tanks to ukraine, which it wanted to transfer to spain. it blocked this transfer. that’s right, and it

actually blocks the transfer to ukraine from greece. bmp-1 units have become one for one. and how does it block she promised greece her bmw marder instead of these e-bmp1a1s, but they don’t give them to greece, that’s why greece ca n’t leave its troops without armored personnel carriers, but the right to another. but you said that they fear that ukrainian troops are generally on the territory of ukraine . the territory of russia, again, why do we need this zabolottya, first of all, and secondly, well, why do we need your leopard tanks, and let me remind you that poland is the first country that transferred to ukraine more than 200 units of tanks t-2 and t-72m1 which were located in her preservation, i.e. poland has transferred

more tanks to us today than any other european country, the czech republic has also transferred these tanks to us and not only tanks of other a-a bbm, and therefore, if we talk about germany, we can no longer mention it as a really reliable partner in ukraine, ukraine, and mykhailo podolyak, he mentioned in his message about 500 tanks that are needed by the armed forces of ukraine, but he did not specify which leopards they are. well, that's us until now, we'll wait for the usa to hand over 500 armored personnel carriers to us, besides, it takes a very long time to crew and train their professional crews , so what is it about, and i understand that it is primarily about soviet-style tanks, and for this we do not need from germany, we

will receive them from romania, from poland, from the czech republic , from slovakia, from countries that are helping us, and kovalenko of the military-political information resistance was in touch with us, oleksandr, we have to interrupt you already, because we are on the turn of inclusion but a very comprehensive answer, thank you for this conversation and right now the correspondent tetyana blinova is in touch with us, who is in brussels and is ready to tell everything about the main results of this contact meeting of the contact group that is taking place today to support ukraine, this event which is called the third rammstein meeting on the support of ukrainian defense tetyana, you have a word eh masha greetings greetings to andrii , a meeting of representatives of the defense departments of the ee on the provision of military aid to ukraine is currently underway, with about 50 participants and ee in the introductory

the words of the us defense minister catch austin stressed that the victory of ukraine is a matter of security for the whole of europe in relation to the office of the president, so there are very high hopes for this meeting, they say rammstein 3 should be the day when world leaders will stop looking for a compromise with the aggressor e.e. according to the results of the negotiations ukraine expects to receive e.e. heavy weapons and also agree on operational training of our military and i want to remind that this is already the third meeting in a similar format, e.e. the first meeting e.e. regarding an international meeting on military assistance it was held in ukraine where on april 26, it was initiated by the pentagon. it was held at the rammstein air base in germany, and

43 countries were present there. areznikov, the previous meeting was held online on may 23, the union was attended by 47 representatives of countries, and then it was decided to provide ukraine with 20 countries and announced new packages of military aid in ukraine, we will definitely inform you about it the results of this meeting so i still have all the studios. thank you very much for this inclusion and we are actually on it. let me remind you that the efforts of tetyan bulanov of our farm houses were included. rammstein is taking place there. well, maria and i are in front of you for a while, all for the sake of the news release. yes, but when we return we will talk about