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let's return together to the digital air ukrainian patriotic channels, we will not let freedom of speech be destroyed in ukraine. glory to ukraine is a verdict program . my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. today is the 113th day of the heroic the resistance of the ukrainian people against the russian occupiers, the russians continue to storm severodonetsk and break through to slovyansk, fierce fighting is going on in donbas today, kharkiv region was again subjected to regular shelling, in addition, during the night , the sumy region was shelled from russian helicopters, unfortunately, four people died, at least six were injured the day before, russians from helicopters fired at the city of glukhiv at the same time the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine at the beginning of the great russian war

against ukraine, they have already lost almost 33,000 people, 1,449 tanks, 3,545 armored combat vehicles, 729 artillery systems, 233 salvo rocket systems, 97 anti-aircraft defenses, 213 aircraft, 179 helicopters - 2,494 units of motor vehicles, 13 boats, 129 cruise missiles, 591 drones, 55 units of special equipment rammstein, the military aid of the united states of america to ukraine, the visit to kyiv of the prime minister of italy, mario drage, the president of france, emmanuel macron, and the chancellor of germany ulof schultz, we are talking today with oleksandr hara, a diplomat, an expert at the center for defense strategies , mr. oleksandr. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. good

day, mr. serhiy. we are glad to see you. thank you for participating in our program. the meeting of defense ministers from more than 40 countries of the world is an association that helps ukraine in confronting the russian federation, nato secretary general jens stoltenberg announced that nato will continue to help ukraine rearm the army and provide the necessary resources so that outdated equipment leaves ukraine and new equipment arrives in its place. at the same time, stolter merg also informed us that the president of ukraine zelensky will participate in the nato summit in madrid, whether it is real or virtual via video link,

it is not known for sure but obviously it is obvious that at the madrid summit it will be about admission to the north atlantic alliance or my prospects of admission to this alliance of finland and sweden e-e however, the future of ukraine in nato is not being discussed yet. does this mean that the alliance still leaves room for maneuver? when ukraine insists on it, the russian federation can remain in the status of a neutral state. well , first of all, it should be said that we will never hear from of our nato partners is that ukraine cannot become a member of nato because in fact the founding documents state that any european country can become a member of nato, and of course you know by and large one of the reasons why

finland decided to leave its humiliating status, and you remember that we were offered to finalize ukraine, that is, to be a neutral country and limit its foreign policy to the toads from moscow, but actually one of the reasons why finland left this shameful policy was that the possibility of becoming a member of nato at any moment it was part of their uh-uh such a strategic calculation uh well and in anticipation of another war with the russian federation because they definitely have no doubts if such a war will happen and that's why they they have been preparing every year since the 39th year, and that is exactly why there is no war, that is exactly why ukraine will not say too formal, because it is a question of the criteria of these questions of choice, but there are definitely countries that are skeptics, and in fact, those who came to us today these three are probably the biggest skeptics of ukraine in nato. the second point is definitely that finland and sweden were lucky enough to have the

crazy fuhrer of the russian peace decide to attack ukraine, but right now his hands are tied , he can't deal exclusively with ukraine. to seriously threaten finland, they decided that the security situation allows them to actually do this , join nato and we heard from the united states, britain and even germany and security guarantees for finland, sweden for a while until they become full members, so well, by and large, this is an important sufi let 's say from the point of view of registrar, let's say, the consequences primarily to russia and it is not able to do anything, but just so that our viewers can imagine what this means well, finland in principle already ready as a member and she was preparing for a long time to finland - it is 1,300 and a penny kilometers from the border with russia, this access to the polish peninsula is extremely important, because all these

strategic nuclear submarines are sailing there, it actually turns the baltic sea into the internal sea of ​​nato and gives the opportunity at any time to come to the aid of estonia, latvia, and lithuania. and we remember a few years ago, the ranks of the corporations were listed that literally two days or two, in fact, russia would be needed in order to occupy all the baltic states and nato will be before the elections, will you agree with the status of the who or will you start the third world war with the use of nuclear weapons? of the sea and everything that goes from st. petersburg or there to kaliningrad is controlled from there. therefore, this is a cardinal deterioration of relations, and moscow swallowed it, emphasizing that the problem is not nato, not that moscow is afraid of nato and that is why she reacts to ukraine in such a way, and because

actually well, here we are. i can go into too much detail, it is extremely important for us not to give up on our own the opportunity to become members of nato. i understand that it will not be tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, but open a window of opportunity similar to the one that exists now in finland, sweden and certainly that then we should not waste time because we lost it when central eastern europe was joining the bloc with poland, then it was certainly interesting on the stage. well, at least most of our citizens believed that we are brothers with the russians and that we have no threat from the east. i think what about the destruction of ukrainian cities by constant missile attacks? well, at least 80% of ukrainians have already lost this illusion. i

think that even after the eighth year of the war and 112 days of such a large-scale war, we will still have unconscious ones, but we have to do that. to prepare and actually take finland as an example from the point of view of how it was preparing for this membership, they took part in various formats of training and e-e in regional cooperation e-e means everything possible to be useful nata what they did it they fully mutually compatible, i.e. tomorrow, when they are received, they will simply put on the chevron nato and they are already ready in all technical, tactical , and strategic parameters to be part of this alliance, and we must take this into account. give up perspective and are politically ready . when we are told about the perspective in the alliance, they are talking about some political conditions. regarding reforms inside the country, it is clear that during this war

, our armed forces of ukraine will be updated and new equipment will enter here, and at some points, obviously , the armed forces of ukraine can e- to compete with representatives of the military who are members of nato countries with their ability to use weapons , but you mentioned that putin wants to become the second peter, although he has more now to become adolf d- the second and we see how in rammstein this meeting began in rammstein 1.5 months ago at the german air base of the united states of america how people unite against putin in these 113 days and putin managed to form a large anti-putin coalition according to your feelings according to your observations, are there still people left in the world who do not draw the equal sign between putin and

hitler? well, i think that those who came to us are the least radical in their assessment of threats from the russian federation. and actually, putinism or racism, as we call it , because even while he was in romania just yesterday, the french president said on the one hand that we should strengthen, he definitely meant the eastern flank of nato, not ukraine, and then he said that he would still have to talk to the russians because it's geography, well, you actually know, it's such a hostage, or does it mean the imprisonment of geography. he probably thinks of ukraine that way. besides, you remember how he said that putin's face should be saved and not to humiliate russia. all these things certainly he is the weak link in this, let 's say general hm in the western front against putin

, france is not doing enough by and large from the point of view of that military and the word potential i am talking exclusively about security support because of course we are grateful to france-fra-france as a member of the eu and a separate country for economic humanitarian aid to the patrons of ukrainian refugees, the same can be said about germany, but they definitely did not become the engines and leaders of this european anti-putin front, we actually became it the president of the baltic states and definitely our uh let's say yes, i think the favorite of ukrainians, boris johnson, but by and large this visit was delayed by what is happening now, and it is actually a reaction to the gap that is already widening, especially within nato and the european union, regarding leadership that is, they understand that uh, they represent great efforts, but on the other hand, from a moral point of view, and from a political point of view, they are actually

not doing enough, now they will promise us something about the european perspective and other things but still their contribution to the victory over putinism is to reduce threats from the russian federation, not only ukraine. you know this is a key moment with all the sanctions and the most important thing in the technological sphere is the sale of chips and the sale of dual-purpose goods. i am not talking about - actually military goods, and we destroy their ships, they hit us with these calibers and with canders, this means that they will need a long time even if there were no sanctions on the industrial capacity of the russian upc, they are already limited and they will need time to restore this potential, and in such conditions of sanctions, this means that it will not be five, maybe even 10 years, and that is exactly why ukraine is now taking on itself the blow that was prepared primarily for nato, because i will again remember

that those they can carry a nuclear warhead of their own caliber, and tactical nuclear weapons are primarily aimed at europeans. and when we are actually at war. we have a legitimate right to destroy russian platforms. unfortunately, we accept strikes. of course, we do not have anti-missile defense, and therefore a large number of rockets are still hitting our territories, but we are taking on the blow that was actually aimed at europe. and therefore, to be honest , why is germany and france participating in this way? the level of aid that could be expected from france and constant promises from the ambassador, this is also not something that a large, powerful european state could do. you know that two new words have now entered our language .

in fact, he repeats the same mistakes with the same result, well, calling putin 100 hours in a row. and what is it too much to promise and not do anything? well, in fact, this is the kind of humor that reflects the real situation with these countries. the position of schulz and macron is clear, they want it. - to save putin's face and in order for putin to save his face in front of the world community, so that later he can conduct negotiations with him and continue to bargain and conduct certain things. that is, we need a victory, he is ready to go to negotiations, but these the negotiations cannot touch the territory of ukraine, and this troika that is going to kyiv cannot be such a letter- such postmen from putin who will offer zelensky some certain options for getting out of this crisis, that is, signing some kind of conditional peace agreement because i understood that

europe is also suffering from the russian-ukrainian war. there are certain sanctions ahead. the winter is not a cafe . the federation will sell its gas to the europeans at what price. what can the representatives of italy, france and germany bring and put on the negotiating table with zelenskiy and conventionally speaking in two envelopes, that is, there are some proposals for peace agreements in return, you will get this and that. well, to be honest, i don't think that they somehow a-a definitely some kind of tame plan. maybe they will talk because italy was like that the initiator, but this is a very strange plan that we have to agree to certain compromises, well, it means first of all crimea compensatory such a mechanism, but we see now

that even the question of membership, more precisely, the question of a candidate for membership, it causes certain certain misunderstandings and there are already some ideas with conditions to give this status and so on, that is, this plan actually falls apart, it cannot be. i am not talking about that and in principle, you said about this that we cannot yet have any negotiations with the russian federation with putin, since this is actually a war of destruction, he wants to restore the empire, and ukraine, of course, in such and such plans there is no and exist because you can talk about what about what plan, but without language they will talk about the actual diplomatic path ah. i think that this question is not because they are pro-russian, but because it is a mistake in the thinking of europeans. and it seems that if germany and france after the second world wars did not begin to lay the foundations until the third world war. i mean the territory of the assembly, on the contrary. they began to integrate each other so that

it would be unprofitable for them to fight. it seems to them that it should work with putin, but from the outside it is the same. the same approach merkel involved after the georgian aggression, or rather the aggression of russia against georgia er-e partnership in the name of modernization and she was the locomotive of the involvement of russia and energy and financial and political er-e means hebrew and yes in the matter and that is precisely why they blocked our e and entry into nato and rapprochement with the european community, because they definitely did not want to annoy russia and thought that it was possible to create a safe space there from vladivostok to lisbon. so, it seems to me that these are false, but they are definitely in the heads for at least two of the three who will come there, mr. scholz takes the position that it is better to sit out and not be. well, a real leader in order not to do something bad and, of course, there are some such things. it seems to

me that he is of a psychological type. tanks are again entering the territory of russia because he feels the guilt of nazi germany before russia for some reason, actually, he should probably not conduct history lessons to inform about the crimes that the nazis committed against ukrainians much more and more. there was a war here, and therefore he has a moral obligation to help us in the same nazism, which is now a threat to ukraine. well, by the way, if we recall history, ukraine is probably the second country that has suffered from nazism for the last 80 years from the first from german nazism, now from russian nazism , when the matter does not come into question and it is generally about peace negotiations, because for three months we have heard a lot of statements from erdoğan that he is ready to act as a mediator are you ready to provide a platform for negotiations, either in

vankar or in istanbul, so that putin and zelensky talk about something at the same time ? so far, moscow is saying that there is no reason for the two leaders of the country to meet because this requires some kind of training, well, at least yesterday the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation ryabko spoke about it, that is, in principle moscow does not want to agree on anything at all, or do you believe that this war can end with some kind of peace agreement or at least some kind of agreement that will fix certain statuses as of a certain date. and now i am not specifically saying february 24 because in the process it may other

dates may arise and they may be included in the negotiation process . well, i do not rule it out, but we have it - it is unlikely at the moment, you know. we live in parallel realities, but if you look at the telegram channels of the rashists, they actually have them there they are destroying us. they are freeing ukrainian territory from ukrainians, and they think that this is a step in the traditions of the imperial, then soviet, that there were a large number of victims, but still they are returning their land . that putin also thinks that he has enough power to change ukraine. the second point is that he perfectly understands that he has an advantage over the tatars, macron and others, because there is democracy, but now we see that in france almost half of the votes of the french went to the forces that, in principle, are very sympathetic

to putin, not that they sympathize with putin yes, but it just so happened that this factor should be taken into account then you already talked about the energy factor yes how much has the price of oil increased now in connection with the transition to alternative sources of oil and gas will have to pay more; there is an increase in inflation in fact across the board; there is a slowdown in the pace of economic development; there is an increase in food prices as a whole by 45% from january to may, according to economists and now with this famine there are two, because i believe that putin is actually creating, as at one time, stalin was his role model, he destroyed ukrainians in 1932 and 1933, then he aimed to do the same with africans, asians and arabs in 2022-23 , even if it is possible to unblock our export of grain, people will still die and it

will be tens of millions, well, several times more than the rain that moscow killed in ukraine in the 30s , and actually this means destabilization of the situation in certain regions that are extremely important. well, we we know that, for example, the most sensitive regions for france are egypt and algeria, not the russian federation, that is, they see threats to their security there. and we understand and know how much the same egyptian regime is holding on. i know about 60% of the population. they receive adaptations to one degree or another for food, including bread. if there is less bread, it means the destabilization of this region. began to kill syrians and bombard cities like mariupol, a large number of refugees were generated in syrian cities, which not only became an

economic problem, but also a political one. we remember that the ultra-right alt -rights began to come to power. in the european union and certainly in the united states. well, we definitely have two years, but this whole situation when this gallon of gasoline costs almost 5 dollars. this is definitely not an unacceptable situation for the majority of americans, and therefore there are chances for the same trump to return. and you probably don't remember how he said about these 40 billion as about who, who voted to support ukraine, that these are too large funds and a large number of american families are trying to feed their children, let's remember that five republican senators voted against this bill, i understand that it is no less a stream, but these are such alarm bells that we

have had this president for two years who said that he will not actually put pressure on ukraine in the matter of compromise and will support ukraine, e.e., the minister of defense said that ukraine believes in victory and we believe in it, these are extremely important words in the first rammstein, it was said that actually there are opportunities for putin, but there are opportunities for the investigation, there are opportunities for it to be and actually, e.e., i will say this at length to win, he at least believes in that. and, unfortunately , france and germany provide grounds for such opinions that they are ready for compromises at the expense of ukraine. for now, well, it is definitely too early to say, but in the fall, when will everyone come gas payments will be rained , food will be more expensive, unemployment will increase, then of course they will be more persistent in relation to kyiv, the most important thing is that they can simply reduce the amount of

other economic aid that they give to ukraine and thus push us to painful decisions that are difficult to call a compromise it will just be, you know , to agree to some kind of year, and not, not actually, to choose certain such a path. we see with food with gas with e-e oil with other resources. that is, we see how he blackmails the world, how he tries to force the world to play by his rules. it is clear that france, italy and germany in this situation are the countries that are trying to somehow trade with the russian federation er, macron has been holding many long-term negotiations during these last three months, there are more than 100 hours of telephone negotiations with putin

. in order for putin to feel and the russians to feel all the sanctions, because we understand that they are being gradually introduced, it is clear that they will start feeling them somewhere around winter, and then next year their situation will worsen with each month. the most decisive that could completely cut off the oxygen to the russian military machine, including vladimir putin, well, you know, there is a dilemma here that , on the one hand, the sanctions are extremely powerful and they have already set russia back dozens of years in economic development froze its technological development, and even in the u.s. they were always proud of the fact that there were no analogues of the defense industry and certainly that they cannot actually even restore the level

of production of defense products that existed before this war, taking into account these sanctions, but by and large this did not lead to this is the reality of what was expected at the event, a change in behavior, and what do we expect? that the russians will not have the resources to wage this war, and you know, i really like the words of the prime minister of estonia, who said that until ukraine won, we did insufficient and to make enough unconditionally this is primarily energy, primarily oil, and you know very well that even at these discounts at which russia sells its oil well, no, no, on the european continent, the same indians or chinese are told 30-35 from uh, dollars minus the price of the brand, and of course, this oil hype allows you to earn almost the same money as before, and that's why this main source, let's say yes, the

main source that the russians have is a plus. well, it allowed them, as far as i know 197 billion per the first of june - this is the sovereign fund they replenished , that is, they have such a security cushion for punitive structures inside russia to suppress the population itself. well, in order to continue this war , everyone is in it, of course, if you were real and powerful without exception. -e energy sanctions, primarily oil, they would be combined with stock exchange sanctions in relation to the transportation of this oil, because in principle, you know, 60% more than a little six- out of 60% of russian oil was directed and is still directed to europe in order to to redirect this oil to the western markets , ships are definitely needed, uh, russian companies are selling ships because they can't withstand the sanctions pressure and they are now using even

european ones, there are greek and other tankers , if it could be made impossible because of, for example, special sanctions, then yes or the implementation of sanctions on a large scale. and this would reduce the possibility of selling this oil to asian markets. that is, it was a powerful thing. the banks are definitely crazy that the europeans pay according to this cunning scheme in of the russian bank, then everything is converted into rubles, well, you know that. it doesn’t go to your head. it actually violates the principle, that is, the europeans said and then backed away from it. and of course this is also a direction. i think it would be nice if macron didn’t call pasta for hours and didn’t talk out of the way