what will be his legacy, who wants to see himself as one of the leaders of world international politics and one of the means to ensure these leadership positions - this is the channel of maintaining the channel of communication with russia, whether we like it or not, but it sits deep in macron and i i don't think it will disappear even today. during their joint meeting, it was announced that the ukrainian side handed over to the european leaders a complete package of sanctions proposals against russia prepared by this group of yarmak makfola. please tell me. do you count on any more sanctions from the european union? if we talk about the gas embargo, or maybe some additional personal sanctions because, as far as i know, the sixth one was given,

well, it is extremely difficult in principle. well, as for the section, there are new views, two points, this is definitely an expansion of sanctions and the fact that we need the oil embargo to completely cover this russian oil now, if i'm not mistaken, 90%. and it is definitely necessary to include gas in the list, this is the most difficult issue, whether it will be resolved in the near future. to be honest, i have no confidence in this. this is a very difficult issue for europe, which really requires strategic thinking from european leaders and, accordingly, the

work of these leaders by their own population. based on the last survey of public opinion, literally 15 were done. at the same time, a third support the establishment of peace even if it will require certain concessions from ukraine. that is, unfortunately reality and it is eh i would also like to say about this package of makfola yarmak eh among its authors there are many people whom i know well who are even my friends but if you look at the contents in principle at least some moments cause me to stop is this really the best, let's say the best option for increasing the pressure on russia, but one way or another, the main issue is definitely gas and this is the issue of the seventh package of sanctions

, and i'm not sure that we will see a positive solution, at least as soon as we i would like e the second side, the second side of this problem is the unconditional implementation of sanctions, that is, there are many countries that help russia to bypass sanctions, plus in the very sense, let's say, transport often cortilo by car carriers, there are enough, uh, enough of such moments that allow these sanctions to be absolutely legal points, this is also it is necessary well, let's say to make it impossible, and it seems to me the same , or at least very important, even compared to gas. thank you very much for your comment .

well, the day before, a meeting of the defense ministers of about 50 countries of the world was held in brussels in the so -called rammstein format, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi said that according to the results of this meeting, ukraine received really good news and that kyiv received a signal that the defense support from the western countries will be constant. signals and, most importantly, what weapons did ukraine receive as a result of the so-called rammstein 3, we will talk further, we are already in touch with roman kostenko, people's deputy of ukraine, faction of the voice secretary of the committee on national security, defense, intelligence, novels my greetings well, let's first talk about what good news and good signals are, as president zelenskyi says according to the results of yesterday's meeting. said the ministers of defense of the countries of the western countries mainly

gathered for that one the main question is how to help ukraine and i think that no matter what we say, no matter what we see the results of this, i think 80% of the results. they will be all the same, we will see them here at the front and they will not be made public. well, in principle, i will do this later, but what will happen first of all, we will really see the result, plus the fact that these people are gathering, that the question is there and there is support, we can see it, but only what will it be the amount of this support, how much equipment do we get from this, and not only equipment. and in general, we will certainly see economic support already in the future. it is also pleasing that more countries are joining us. we have already seen georgia and moldova and even ecuador, and this means that countries that all want to join this union to oppose the

russian federation in order to have the opportunity to be protected themselves in the event of some non-standard situation or aggression of any country. the novel is, in principle, concrete concrete things that ukraine receives, it's no secret there, us defense minister lloyd austin said that the new package will include 18 howitzers, 46,000 projectiles, rocket launchers, etc. well, in general, the united states will provide ukraine with aid packages in 1 billion dollars. and the question is only this. i wanted to say about this that many people really say that it is very little. i also agree, seeing and generally understanding the scale, what are hundreds of russian howitzers on the front, what are hundreds of jet systems, we are talking about 18 out for the deputy deputies, we are talking about there three self-propelled salvo missile systems from

germany, but i would also like to say that this is really not enough and but i am sure that this is not all and there are other numbers and we should not say the real numbers which on which there will be help why because there is a russian federation whose special services are now working fully to understand how much equipment will be delivered, which corridors they will go through, which tra- what transport will deliver them to ukraine, which routes, which er, in which directions this equipment will be directed it's one thing when they're looking for 18 howitzers, and it's another thing when they're looking for 118 and the survey , so i understand. i think that it would be correct not to name the numbers, the fact that there is help, it is there, i can confirm that it is insufficient. yes she insufficient, but it is not too small so that it is possible to openly criticize there. i just want to remind you that the day before this meeting in

brussels, deputy minister of defense hanna malyar spoke about the fact that ukraine receives only 10% of the necessary weapons, and mykhailo podolyak generally said that the ratio russian and ukrainian artillery is approximately 10 to one, and here is the question : how quickly will this change? well, literally yesterday's meeting in brussels, how quickly will it change this moment, which was voiced by these problems the day before, er, well, the dates that were named there, they did not convince me, let's say that's what was said about august. i would also like to say what the question is about the 50 countries er, which are er, if we are talking about a certain amount provided by the united states and that that we heard how the defense minister of the united states spoke, they say that they want all countries to get involved. i think it is right that countries should not just express their sympathy in ukraine, but take some concrete steps if the united states

has already given us more than 100. they still give 18 germany gives a certain amount there, poland helps. and for that, my very grateful slovaks help, and where georgia needs to be, moldova and other countries are needed to show you, so that everyone shows and everyone helps, and then we will have more or less let's put it this way, parity should not be such that only the united states gives. and everyone else is watching and waiting for me to finish with ukraine and attack other countries. the important thing here is to make sure that every country joins this war before repelling aggression before repelling this regime. putin, so what is the deadline for us? once again, i will turn to anna the painter, who said that here it is necessary to prescribe specific time frames for when these promised weapons will arrive. i will only mention one small example when, for example, germany promised ukraine to provide a modern air defense system and then it turned out that she will come to ukraine only in october

, this is such a small example, but still returning to yesterday's meeting. and when it was announced there a certain amount of weapons that it will allegedly be provided, what terms can we now i think the end of july, the beginning of august or the middle of august, we can say that the next batch of weapons will be in ukraine, or will it be enough to launch a counteroffensive, from my point of view, no, but it will be enough to reliably deter the russian federation yes, i also have a deadline that the deadlines are quite stretched. i do not understand why it is not possible to have such resource countries as the same united states, why it is not possible to do it earlier, probably there are some political reasons for this or what in general the reasons for this should actually be asked from our supreme commander-in-chief and the minister of defense why there are no fast deliveries, because when the letter was signed in the first place, well, everyone got the

impression that tomorrow convoys of planes will simply go to ukraine. that's how it happened, the equipment is coming, but it is not going in the amount that was really necessary in order not to deter russia, but to knock russia out of our territory. and now it is enough only to deter , not enough to deter er, well, partner equipment, we also have our own equipment that we deal with. we spend a lot of money from our budget in order to purchase this equipment, we just buy it, just like that, everyone doesn't give us this equipment, we buy it . some things are given to us by our partners and some things we buy with our own funds and we are not deterring the enemy now, only the equipment and the united states, absolutely probably, and still on m . stocks that are and those funds that are theirs

now we spend there on roads for some kind of social security and we buy military equipment and supply it to our own army because this percentage would be interesting here, but i think 70 is that we provide for ourselves . the united states also stated that the united states intends to transfer to ukraine e-e intelligence information for launching strikes with the help of multiple- launch rocket systems. please tell me, i think you can correct me now. i think that this is the first time that ukraine has received such assistance. is there actually any fear that russia will accept such assistance as the participation of the united states in the war? well, look, the united states provides us with intelligence information, and they have repeatedly mentioned stated

that they provide us with information from their er satellites , they also openly er also talked about it er if the use of volley fire systems is given as far as i understood er where to hit here or not then look here if i don’t say now that they specifically provide but they provide us information that allows us to strike the enemy , will russia perceive this as the involvement of the united states in the war, i believe that no they will, they will not, they will turn a blind eye to it, i think until the end, because well, the question is that the united states openly stated and yesterday once again at this briefing that they support ukraine and will do everything to ensure that ukraine returns its territories, this was openly stated . i think this means, among other things, that they will provide

and share intelligence information e- is with us well and i want to say that directly also citizens of the united states, according to the law of ukraine , are now taking part in repelling russian aggression. and this once again shows that their people also mean what we are fighting for independence for democracy and we will say in this war this is how we wage a just war, everything is to deter, and even then it is not always enough. and for example, oleksiy reznikov said yesterday in an interview with sin that the weapons that will be handed over to the ukrainian army during the event will help to return the territories occupied by russia, including crimea and including donbas please tell me and there is definitely such confidence that the west is ready to sign that with their help ukraine will return these occupied territories that have been occupied since the 14th year, well, in particular, crimea,

which now, well, at least you can say everything whatever yes, but what evidence do you see now that these are not just words, but that it works? i think we are talking about different things. when i say that it is not enough. more resourceful and those there are even hundreds of howitzers, they don’t uh, they help us restrain ourselves, but they don’t give us any parity so far. vina from the russian federation gave what the minister of defense says. i think that he knows the prospects, he knows uh, the supply plans and i know what quantity will arrive and he er based on this he makes statements that these weapons will er help us well, i hope so and that if he knows how many weapons will come he can calculate i think some calculations are given to him by the armed forces well general the headquarters and roughly speaking how many weapons do we need in order to go there on the offensive to liberate

kherson, he asks for it, the americans say that he will go, he then gives this information to the mass media , so i think that this is exactly what he means, i hope that it will be that we will get all the weapons we need, but at the moment i will say that there really is not enough of them because russia has much more weapons on radio svoboda well, then the story of 20-year-old bohdan tsymbal, he commanded later during the defense of mariupol i received 6 bullets because i was out of town and was evacuated . radio svoboda correspondent taras levchenko met with him not far from the front line in the training camp of the azov people.

the family as such is probably already there. an apartment, a tank, my mother, grandmother, and uncle were immediately killed there, and my father fell into the hands of a non-gadyaev during the filtration process, according to one of the pieces of information. when you knew that he was odessa , they actually started beating him up. the shooting, that is, people were naturally chased away, and the ego is empty, eden direction, when did you last talk to them, did you remember march 10, march 10, just the same day when i managed to stop by my parents' house for literally 5 minutes, they didn't show the puppy that ego had brought . i left, i stayed, my brother noch. unfortunately , on may 14, he died. he was already there. he was also on the next show. you went to mariupol in azov, vite, 18 years old, that is, right

after school. well, i was finishing the third year of the mariupol professional knight. that’s why it was called because in 2015 there was a so- called pavlo under the shurygin offensive regiment of the azov operation, during which we were hiding from the office. the settlement, therefore, and for myself, i considered it somehow such a small debt, and in addition, in azov, two years before this, my older brother came to me. who was with me at the position of eh put together with himself the platoon commander how many people did you have under your command, i.e. at the time eh 20 two men with his senior bra i crossed the first time on march 12 the base became eh we followed in one in the unit, it just so happened that we were with him in different years on may 14, you had a meeting with him once , and i wrote to him. i didn’t

receive it in the evening. the commander said, “i’m sorry, comrades, who didn’t save me." happened on march 22 on march 22, we had a group we call it a factory or a plant october on kuindzhi street, mariupol, that is, we held it, we held it, we were such a group of support groups, that is, there is a breakthrough somewhere. in order to enter the position there is such a thing as let's say a small window and well, they screwed 100 pieces of metal, i saw metal moving, i saw a machine gun , i rolled back, they received bullets in the hand, the shoulder, the vertebra of the office, i was on the flip side, that is, i fell in love completely with my head, so it was very ego it was cold, big, on tv, it was enough, i heard how it moves, people talk, understood that you are not ours, they had to transform themselves, the group went there to knock them out , which was with me, i saw a familiar face, and we started to turn on, they waved, they saw me

, they took me away, and then they fought, they just handed them over, found them . you are heavy, heavy, 300, eh, you need evacuation, you were taken away, that's how i took him, screensavers, 25 in the morning, at 3 o'clock, eh, they overslept, they'll say , get together, like evacuation. хорошо i'll be further tasks i'm not going anywhere i went to sleep further then i feel i'm already starting to wear everything i remember this is how they loaded the car eh then the turntable they took us away it's 6 of the most difficult heavy 6 people if they were taken away how do you see your future we will strengthen the borders, the resistance of ukrainians in the occupied territories is standing in the way of russia in its plans for annexation and full -scale administrative control, this is also stated in the current report of the american institute for the study of war, among examples of such resistance, analysts cite

cases that happened on the ninth and eleventh of june, 11 in mariupol, when ukrainian partisans burned two tractors and three large trailers to the trucks of the ministry of emergency situations of russia, or the situation in occupied berdyansk, where it is not possible to open schools due to the resistance of teachers, about resistance in the occupied territories, we will talk further with us on the communication of the mayor of occupied melitopol, ivan fedorov, my greetings to you yes. good evening in melitopol, they are resisting . what do you know about it? if you know about the melitopol resistance, it is quite well known. i believe that not only in ukraine as a whole, but also in the whole world of course and of course they have been doing it since the first days of the war, since february 24, since the second stage of the war, when there was a massive invasion of the entire territory of ukraine, the people of melitopol took to the streets with actions, peaceful protests, this was the first manifestation of public resistance, and after that, they clearly understood what

they were doing here do not advise, but they began to fight us by kidnapping people by taking them to the basement and believed that in this way they would be able to end the resistance that is happening in our temporarily occupied cities, but this also did not happen even today, after more than 110 days of war, there is resistance, which manifests itself in completely different situations, starting from the fact that peaceful actions are held, protests are held now, and they are held not uh, at night, they are held in broad daylight in the center of the city, our residents sing the national anthem, this resistance is also it continues with the fact that, together with the special services, special operations are being carried out to destroy railway tracks and stop an armored train, and this resistance is also done in the fact that our farmers are basically crushing the cherry that they are stealing today to clear it up and after that they have a mass appeal to the doctors, but it is clearly understood that

there is no need to steal anything from us and what is the situation in melitopol in general, well, let's start with such an elementary thing, have the russian rubles already been introduced there or have they not yet dared to, the situation in general is quite complicated as far as they are trying to introduce them, but today approximately 10% of the circulation is in rubles. they are trying to saturate the unprotected social peace of the population with 10,000 rubles each of material aid but even the chechens themselves and other representatives of the far east did not like it, and why are they giving out 10,000 rubles each to the residents of ukraine and they started counterfeiting rubles and fake rubles are also in circulation today in the temporarily occupied territories. and the ukrainians who stayed there are teachers- doctors, pensioners, as well, ukraine continues to pay them money, the state of ukraine fulfills all its obligations to the residents of

the temporarily occupied territories, fulfills all e-e fields of education, health care, social protection everyone receives their wages, and everyone who stayed in the temporarily occupied territories receives pensions. and everyone receives these social benefits, the only thing is that of course there are problems with the fact that all these payments are mostly received on cards, and today there are problems with the functioning of the banking sector, but all obligations performed by the state of ukraine in front of its residents, no one is going to stop these payments, no one is going to leave our residents at the mercy of the taxpayers under some schemes. they receive cash and from those cards. yes there are mechanisms for receiving cash in general, i decided that the occupied cities cost from 5 to 10%, but but from mine to receive cash there are also minister iryna

varyschuk to the teachers to the teachers of the occupied kherson region, she urged them to leave please tell me what is the current state policy regarding the occupied territories in general for example, you are the mayor of the city of melitopol, what do you advise people who stayed there to leave or wait until these territories are returned no of course today we advise to leave because it is completely dangerous to stay temporarily occupied territory because there is a threat of abduction , this is because there is a threat of explosions, which happen quite often in the city center, there is a threat that we can not predict how the rioters will behave in our territory, so of course we recommend to whoever has the ability today is the beginning of the departure of the occupied cities, but as for the teachers, for example, this is also a separate story, the heroic story of our city of melitopol, when at

one time all the school directors wrote resignations and did not want to cooperate with racists because they clearly understand that they have no right to endanger our children who study at school, and in general, among the 2,700 education employees of the city of melitopol , less than 8% agreed to cooperate with racists, but mostly these are technical personnel, security guards, and technicians, etc. further ago also, this community does not want to cooperate with the rashits, no one wants to cooperate with them. and is there a possibility to leave melitopol in what way, because there was information that there is, from the occupied territories, the roads are closed, the latest for a week and a half there is such an opportunity, people leave by private transport, who has it, who does not have it, there are volunteers who, er, do not provide such services, some provide free of charge, some ask for a separate fee, but the opportunity to leave is only one day, today there is no

opportunity to leave because after the rain the dirt road, which is a detour due to the destroyed contents, and it washed it away, but i hope that the road will be restored in a day or two. i want to ask you about those people who are currently cooperating with russia in zaporizhzhia. tell me, please. how about you personally? the mayor is hmm there before the invasion, before that, at a time when everyone around was already talking about the fact that an invasion is possible, did you see such people from your side who potentially perhaps you suspected them, potentially could or could cooperate with russia, were there any such initiatives on your part or an appeal, for example , to the security service there regarding one thing or another, do you know a deputy, a local official? and you know , melitopol is also unique in this sense, because no deputy mayor, no head of the department, only one head

of the utility company and only one manager of the utility enterprise agreed to work with the parishioners, but the main leaders are those who have always taken a pro-russian position, it was well known to everyone , not only in the city of melitopol, but in the entire zaporizhzhya region, those who today call themselves some kind of some kind of under-governor is it a coincidence that these specimens were quite well known, but otherwise there are no discoveries for me, because today in the local self-government in melitopol we can count the collaborators on the fingers of one hand. this is really true what is happening is that no one believes, no one wants to cooperate with the clean ones. and you say that everyone knew about these people. this is who in zaporizhzhia . i don’t know everyone or everyone. there in ukraine, in the security service, in ukraine and in zaporizhzhia, one of the main characters is this is a former people's deputy who has not been able to win for the last 5 years, and in the last elections his party took only 8%, although earlier it

gained 60-65, 70%. it's exactly like that a-a it was quite well known about him it was always about his rhetoric a-a a-a there were no measures taken what do you think let me today i will definitely not comment on the activities of our special services, but i am clearly sure that already today you will lose 100 you say you don't want to comment on it myself, so we can't comment on it today we should all be united around our victory and i think that of course today by the power of the structure, certain conclusions were drawn, suspicions were made, appropriate documents were made, so that at the first opportunity these people would be held

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