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it also lives in political cycles, that is, now this year is coming to an end, and maybe half a year in 2023 there will still be some certain internal political points to be discussed, and then the european union is going to the elections. they will also work a lot on their electoral campaign and i think there will be a lot here, including the decision to discuss uh, what mechanisms to use for those who, as you rightly said, do not demonstrate progress, sometimes even openly oppose these uh, common approaches of common values we can see that the european union is quite strong in terms of its unity. i think that through discussion they will find a solution . and i would also like to point out that this is how
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democracy works. society, the position of the people, respectively, is key for them, and now we see from the case of ukraine that it is the large-scale support from european society that helps us to receive , including serious political financial signals and assistance, i think it will be resolved in the same way questions and in relation to all problematic moments of the internal that is, they will focus not only on the political establishment of individual countries, but also on the opinion of their society, in fact, i mean over time, i will allow myself. to access to the european union of the european union what do you think, what do you expect to change, what will change after this magical signing of some kind and when it will happen, because the reference in itself is how conventionally speaking, with a diploma, a diploma in ukraine until recently
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could be bought at all before the reforms, buy it didn't make you a doctor, for example, it didn't make you a specialist like this and here it's about a diploma or something that needs to be changed do people understand that it 's about the rules about working more , resting more, about the fact that you can't decide something and break the rules. i would say yes, that is, it's a huge step. of the european integration path, including a serious recognition of the success we have achieved in terms of reforms and positive transformations that have taken place in our country , for example, we can talk about the period since 2014, although our european integration and our
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transformation process began a long time ago even before the revolution of dignity, that is, this positive cumulative effect is present and it is worth continuing . geopolitical choice that it must be an irreversible european choice, er, this will again be an additional argument, an additional incentive, and i will say weighed so that society then demands from our political elites from our political leadership to seriously and actively advance through these reforms that are needed so that after the status of a candidate, we opened negotiations on joining the european union, we actively implemented them. fast-track, of course, it is desirable, but most likely, even in terms of time, according to the dynamics, it is not possible, and it is
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actually acceptable for ukraine in the conditions of post-war reconstruction, but what will happen is a request to continue european integration and what will be a huge, strong political signal i think this will help us a lot individually. so i will sum it up like this. this is what we really need and this is what makes us better. maria golubka is an expert on european integration of bilateral relations son from umland, german political scientist, analyst of the stockholm center for the study of eastern europe, welcome mr. address good morning, i would like to talk to you about all aspects of yesterday's visit to ukraine by world leaders, namely, yesterday, ukraine was visited by the president of france macron, the chancellor of germany schol is prem' er of italy, dear ukrainians
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took this news with great inspiration as a sign of the highest support for our state during the war and on the eve of its obtaining the status of a candidate e conclusion the european commission is probably positive, which ukraine can hear already today, however, the divelto publication published an article by christopher schlitz - it is called the nightmare of zelensky heat. real politicians like macron and scholtz, in the article it is claimed that the leaders did not bring support to ukraine, but push for negotiations with russia after that how it will bite off the east and south of ukraine and that the usa will eventually support this plan, what do you think about it ? also bring some kind of peace plan for ukraine ofrecords, but the german media
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are writing about it in full, and the headlines of the german polish press, let's say, which also wrote about this material, the divald newspaper, gave a polish translation, and it's actually shocking and loud that you do you think that this is really the fate of pravda, or should it be considered as something real? is it more of a media story of a certain fanfare of this situation, that kind of thing at first ? this kind of speculation, they were already er-er, that arrival er -er, but for now, this kind of status is the only sign that there really was some other er-er alert of the day er-er. so far, i have no confirmation that there was indeed some pressure on zelenskyi and in any case i think that
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ukraine will probably abandon its position even if there are such proposals of this kind, it was probably negotiated, i suspect so during the negotiations, but eh eh, eh, i still have it there is no confirmation of this, if it is true, if you have this journalist, is there any reliable evidence of that ? the first is that italy presented the peace plan three weeks ago and is increasing the pressure on its implementation. by the way, the ukrainian foreign ministry confirmed this information . proposals for the way to end the war in ukraine and handed it over to the un concern, there it is about the
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actual cessation of hostilities, the military neutrality of ukraine and the negotiations, and the re-support of other countries of ukraine, which should act as guarantors, with the possibility of joining the eu, but obviously without joining nato and the second step is that very cautiously, the second sign is yes, about which the dialt publication writes, in addition to the italian peace plan, on which it continues to emphasize for information, italy is talking about the fact that it gives very limited and cautious weapons, after all, yesterday in kyiv, macron confirmed this about the existence of this unofficial arms embargo between the united states, germany, and france, the german spiegel wrote. yes, these fighter jets because we do not
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want the war to spill over into the borders of ukraine and actually talk about the destruction of targets on the territory of russia because this will mean the next phase of the war and actually the third the sign that welt writes about is that on wednesday in romania, macron also did not say anything about weapons for ukraine, but only about negotiations. well, that's how it looks, that's how it looks, the art of this journalist, who is also cited by other world publications, what do you think about it and would putin go for some kind of peace plan at all or would he be satisfied with the cock and the east as journalists are afraid of this, uh, in the world media, actually, in the initially closed negotiations uh, i also suspect that
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uh, voprosa russian-ukrainian negotiations, uh between western leaders and zelensky, but so far we do not have any signs that the ukrainian position is changing because of this, it might just be a presentation of these ideas that are available in uh, in italy, as we know and in france, probably, too, in germany, and maybe in romania, but uh, um, ukraine has its own position here, i so suspect that zelensky there, uh, defended this ukrainian position in these negotiations, that now, it's not the time for negotiations, because it's necessary to achieve something first победы already then будет иметь проблеме смысл, er,
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to enter into negotiations, since ukraine constantly emphasizes that it needs long-range weapons, including long-range weapons, and not peace plans and negotiations , because we are at a standstill, as we can see, putin does not want this. the secretary of the security council of the russian federation, patrushev, almost simultaneously with the arrival of world leaders, declared that the russian leadership was interested in reaching political and diplomatic agreements with ukraine as soon as possible, but kyiv froze it negotiations and as of now they are blocked precisely by the ukrainian side, so what could this mean is the restoration of these e-e in kyiv these tpps on the part of russia on the part of, in particular, russian propaganda that kyiv is blocking the negotiations and what kind of peace does putin want ? it's one thing, and er, you can look for it because
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, in principle, in the west, they understand that these official statements are er, from russia, they are most likely manipulative, and that there is, er, a big gap, usually between er rhetoric and conduct er, er, it can be all signs of what er, there is er, um, no. what request will er resume negotiations, er, well, in principle, it would be possible to say even then there will be negotiations, maybe they will lead to something, but most likely not eh , because i will imagine that russia will abandon the territory it occupied, so i can only
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speculate. apparently, this was all discussed and what most likely, it was pushed by the ukrainian side, that's the kind of idea, sir, the address is here, mariy mentioned you, i hope i remember that spiegel came out with such a cover, the last one seems to be the last number, where there is a ukrainian girl on the tower of the russian tank and it was written that we let the ukrainians down , and there was also such a rather devastating criticism of this website, that is, of the great turn, which was announced by sholtsev, with its historical names , and in a speech in april, when he said that germany ceases to be such a purely pacifist state. i understand that the media criticizes scholz a lot for not helping ukraine enough, which it seems, nevertheless, on the other hand, we see poll numbers that the majority of germans support this policy of scholz, about 60%
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support the policy regarding whether or not to provide weapons, we will remind you that germany even blocks the supply of german-made tanks to ukraine, for example, from spain, and about 70 people believe that ukraine must still go to negotiations that this war in ukraine will not be won by a military method in russia, that is, how to explain these attitudes in german society. germany will be dragged into this war, which will turn into the third world war and into a nuclear war. well, let's say that in some provincial newspapers there are already articles about where the bunker is located in the city and in what condition it is
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bunker and where to run and what to do in the event of a nuclear war well, it can be said that this is the result of the russian psychological war because this is a permanent post, these signals from moscow that all this will then be translated into a war with nato and and your feet are afraid of this, and that's why there is this schizophrenic position that there we support ukraine, there is great sympathy, great gender, distance, not only from the side of state bodies, but also from civil society . a lot is done and we are also in favor of the supply of weapons, but we are not in favor of the supply of heavy crops. yes, come on with new weapons because you can annoy the
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people there in moscow and then we will be part of this war. in particular , the public opinion is divided by the delivery of this heavy weapon under that reason. this is one of the reasons why it has not yet arrived in ukraine, but as far as i understand, it will soon be from germany, at least the first one there . there is also a promise of that germany will hand over to ukraine е anti -aircraft systems е такие fairly modern systems that are there to protect the city е- е well, that’s for now. everything is in the future. i think it will reach ukraine, just by when . 114 days of war through the prism of everything that happened, the arrival of world leaders
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, today's decision of the european commission on ukraine, yesterday's meeting, e-e in the rammstein-3 format , how events can develop and, of course, what did you talk about, the factors of increased pressure from the kremlin, including on the world public opinion, in particular due to nuclear blackmail, and let us remind you that the publication bloomberg wrote a few days ago that putin may announce a general mobilization, but not to stop at the fact that now it is trying to absorb donbas, as we can see , he is not succeeding and to go further in his insane desire to take over ukraine, how will the events develop. how do you look at it? it simply comes from the fact that initially this russian venture was er-er failed, it
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now released this consolidation in er-er in the west and er-er well, this is me for russia, it’s generally such a dead end and er, all hope for that that at some point there are still people who are probably in moscow who also believe that this tube will be popular, so there is, as it were, too, that it is constantly on clothes for the fact that there will still be a change in thinking and eh and that uh-uh there uh-uh and the negotiation will have uh-uh meaning but uh-uh but so apparently, there is no such turn yet, and we may have to wait for putin to leave power for this to happen, so for now, we will have to continue working in the same direction as it
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is . sanctions, military support, i hope that next week, too, the whole european union will confirm that this is the official status of a candidate for the european union, and then it's over. i think that at least as regards relations with the european union, it will be ukraina eh then ukraine itself can eh give how to eh its integration into the european union , it would be possible, for example, to go to a meeting with the european union and introduce eh an opportunity for citizens of the european union to live and work in ukraine without special difficulties there because it will be part of joining the european union in any case , it will mean that all citizens of the european union can aim and work in ukraine. well, it was possible unilaterally, it was too early
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to lead the political scientist analyst of the stockholm center research of eastern europe. thank you for this incredibly important and interesting inclusion. we are going further and right now mykola kuleba is in touch with us, the representative of the president of ukraine on the rights of children aged 14-21 and the founder of the national movement to save children from war, we will save ukraine, congratulations, sir mykola greetings, let's start with an informative message, because starting this week, espresso is helping to find missing children, and this actually consists in our cooperation with the magnolia children's search service. now we inform viewers on the air about the children who disappeared due to the russian invasion of ukraine, and it is actually known that the u.n. is investigating the facts of russian crimes, er, russia is kidnapping and forcibly deporting ukrainians, including our children, in recent months, the number of
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reports about the disappearance of children to the rescue service has approached 2,000, that's so much how much in 20 years of operation of this service for searching for children has been received in 20 years, and now, since february 24, so many. well, the espresso tv channel is joining the dissemination of information about missing children. mykola well and what statistics do you have and the children actually disappeared from the full-scale invasion of the russian federation. i understand that it is difficult to talk about exact numbers, but at least what we can work with as of now, what are you dealing with? well, i want to note that only today the juvenile prosecutors announced the figure the fact that 320 children
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were officially killed and more than half a thousand wounded missing children, i think there are many more, because according to the permanent representative of ukraine to the un, serhiy kislytsy, more than 234 were taken out, so that you can explain at the beginning of june and where are these children now , what are the parents doing, what are the parents doing, what do we know that the filter is - and with their parents again, if we go back to march, a month back then, putin's russian children's ombudsman, maria lvova bilova , met putin with putin to discuss the introduction of legislative changes, which procedures simplified
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and accelerated the process of ukrainian broadcasting itself children, and in april she already confirmed that more than one and a half thousand ukrainian children were brought to russia without their parents, unaccompanied by their parents at the moment . these children, she stated that it is unknown what is with them, and she then stated that these children can be adopted and that russia was preparing relevant laws and the laws have already been signed by putin, in fact, for me, this is the legacy of the ukrainian people, which allow quite simply and quickly to grant russian citizenship to ukrainian children, and after that the children can be adopted quite quickly and easily. a russian senator, so-called liliya gum-gumerova, she recently complained
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that ukrainian children from the liberated territories do not speak russian, so she announced the launch of special summer camps for teaching ukrainian children the russian language, and there are many such cases, and this speaks of one thing what about our children today, they steal them, forcibly take them to the russian federation, give them russian citizenship, give them russian citizenship, and then transfer them to their families again, only all the signs genocide and one more thing that is very important is that there is such a stremusov, i will not call him mr. a-a, the deputy head of the region. this is what i am talking about now about the kherson region, it is stated that now all children born in the kherson region and from the beginning of the full-scale invasion russians are on the territory
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of ukraine and receive russian citizenship, as well as orphans, and they commit this genocide and at the same time flaunt it to the whole world, that is, in fact, violating all international norms, they also flaunt it. well, i understand what this is it has already reached a kind of absurdity, the european parliament is starting to talk about it, but you know what worries me is that it is clear that the european parliament is worried because it is a violation of the rights of citizens, but you know after putin signed this law that after the separation of the children of ukraine, they can quite easily grant russian citizenship and establish it, the whole world should oppose this, but
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unfortunately i do not see enough loud statements about the inadmissibility of such actions, not to mention about certain actions on the side of other countries to counteract because putin is committing genocide of the ukrainian people, mr. mykola, in your opinion, does ukraine finally need to appoint a child rights commissioner to the vacant position. since we haven't had one for a year already, well, you you know, back when i worked with president poroshenko and president zelenskyi, i said that this position should be independent, just like the human rights commissioner and uh. at the moment, this is once again a decision for the president and for uh, the verkhovna rada by the way such a position should appear for me, an independent position, as it is in other countries with the appropriate powers, once in my office,
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three people worked for the whole country, well, imagine uh, with 1,000 appeals, and also when there was uh, war although she was there from the 14th year and from the east there were also a lot of appeals now when there is a full-scale war of such people, well, it’s just the usa. of course, there must be a child abortionist who is empowered according to the law of which there is no representative of the child’s affairs, and uh, then it was possible how can i more effectively solve all these issues that arise today, but in this case i apologize for the undiplomatic nature of this pseudo- ombudsman for the rights of the child in russia, maria lvova i belova, and this ombudsman with horns, against whom great britain imposed sanctions yesterday, and who kidnaps ukrainian children from her there must be some ukrainian vizivivka who will oppose her in her
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activities and who will appeal to all international authorities regarding this situation with uh, this is not even a violation of the rights of the child, it is simply colossal crimes against against childhood in general against humanism, how can you separate a child from their parents, we are just not watching these shots of children who are crying and the heart just can't stand it. mykola, i want to ask what you think. what means can we first fight this and what to do next after the victory, to deal with this on such a scale, definitely after the victory, return our children to ukraine, definitely work with these injuries. literally this morning at 6:00 a.m., i met families from the east at the train station who were there a few days ago evacuated by our teams by the teams of our partners, this is the city of lysychansk, mykolaivka, pokrovsk , the village of soledar, thin. these are the settlements that
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are under constant shelling, they just do n't stop there. i spoke with one of our drivers today, who was supposed to take out yesterday about 100 people from lysychansk and we managed to evacuate only a few of them yesterday because the intense shelling did not allow them to get out of there, but these families i met who know all these stories are very difficult to tell, but well, imagine when you you just ask the child, how are you feeling? well, you just see that the child is very tired in despair, and the child just starts crying because she is tired of sitting under these shellings, when the mother of this child tells her that a cluster bomb flew in and pierced the roof the whole yard was gutted. that's all i'm saying. and where did you grow up in the basement
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? no, we don't have a basement, we uh, we hid under the bed, what can we talk about, and the children are crying, the children are just in a terrible state, and their parents, and this happens every day with ours children and putin is killing our children. i have a hashtag on facebook. i constantly talk about it , how the murder of our peaceful citizens and our children is carried out in ukraine. this is genocide. this is a crime against humanity. thank you, mr. mykola . in 2014-21, you are the founder of the national movement to save children from war, save ukraine, you were in touch with us by the way, we see the news that the naval forces of ukraine destroyed the russian tug vasyl bekh near zmiiny island
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