companies work for understandable reasons and uh, well , we too. we are very well aware of the results when there is a reference to a specific enterprise, unfortunately, i think that we will be able, uh, after the end of this war, to give answers to all those questions why that's how it happened , but ammunition is needed already today, even if we call me enterprises or not to put them at risk, we know that key enterprises in the capital in other cities that were connected with the ammunition industry were subjected to a missile attack by enemy forces, this means that under these conditions it will be difficult to renew these cooperative ties , is there still an opportunity even in war conditions to manufacture art ammunition, small arms and

small arms ammunition, there is such an opportunity for us, i believe, such an opportunity today in ukraine, there is and has been a certain transfer of e-e production capacities of both state-owned and private enterprises to various locations in ukraine, where e-e production has been resumed today, including preparation for the production of ammunition direction, is it true that there is information that we have close contacts with foreign partners to speed up the process of manufacturing ammunition and there are options when it can be placed not necessarily on the territory of ukraine but outside our country or is it just placement outside the country, placement is complicated enough outside of ukraine, today it is uncomplicated, many countries are ready to place

production in their own country, understanding that this, first of all, gives the opportunity to create jobs this is a certain development of the economy of these countries. this question is more like i would say that this question is more related to the ministry of strategic industries, which today is responsible for the formation and implementation of state policy in the field of natural resources. therefore, it is more. yes, it is more their question . expedient or not expedient for today everything will depend on those events that will develop in the east and south of our country er. we believe in victory over that we must understand that er these events affect not only

the possibility of production, but at the same time, according to certain officials of our partners, who are quite risky and suspiciously looking today at the location of certain production precisely on the territory of ukraine. well, then a tougher question arises whether it is expedient or not, we understand that we lack ammunition, we lack e- e repair capacities for the restoration of our destroyed armored vehicles in view of the destruction of e-e repair plants at the base places where they were e-e placed and then we understand that there are concrete priorities that must be implemented due to the mutual actions of the ministry of defense, the minister of technology, ukroboronprom, but to continue in 2-3 months, i communicate with various managers of the enterprise and hear from them that in fact

, they do not receive any clear signals from the side of these state bodies and state structures. their own review, they make a decision to rewrite their companies for their own growth, they choose some projects that they finance from the financial department with their own funds, and then where is the state in the process priorities and will financially support these priorities, which is then directly dealt with by the minister of technology, ukroboronprom and the ministry of defense, can you tell us so that we understand where these three structures are pulling our defense , first of all, it is a question of these structures, what they do. if we take the provisions of the law of ukraine on mobilization, mobilization then there is such a concept as drawing up an economic plan. and the time of military operations in which it is prescribed must be clearly prescribed where, in what way and how

certain enterprises are moved as the state public sector of the economy and the private sector of the economy, unfortunately, we had those events when the state forgot about the private sector, the moment when an adequate response to the relocation of these enterprises was needed, mainly this concerns the private sector, we really faced a misunderstanding of the enterprises themselves, we were looking for locations where if they could settle down , it was quite difficult to coordinate the issue with the local authorities, it was literally the first month, and then it started to stabilize, everyone understood that the location enterprises, it makes it possible, among other things, to create

jobs precisely in those places where these enterprises are moving, and indeed, recently, local state authorities have really returned very positively to these issues. and there is really a lot of support in the issue of placement and provision of support in documentation and, well, in all aspects related to the placement of our enterprises in other locations, yes, there is such information because, relatively speaking, it is a horizontal level. i know examples of companies that left kyiv and arrived there in western ukraine they launched production and indeed they received support from exactly from local authorities, but when we talk about what is the state structure of the minister of technology, there are certain plans, there is definitely funding and where should have been

determined some financial support for the relocation of teams, documentation, creation of conditions for the deployment of new capacities in two months . through the draft, not necessarily even state companies, but through private companies. what is happening now with the enterprises of the league do you have any general picture to understand how c-enterprises survive today in conditions of war, what do they hope for and what are the results of this, shall we say, intermediate stage in the formation of our defense industry in conditions of war? we must understand that there are certain industries that are quite problematic. -e to move and it is very expensive e-e quite expensive i am also an event that needs to be carried out especially that it concerns e-e specialists and the scientific and technical potential of these enterprises that people - people

to transfer and place it is very problematic, however well, these issues were resolved quickly enough. i will return to local state authorities again. unfortunately, the first month showed that we did not receive such support from the ministry of strategic industries, where indeed there was a certain misunderstanding and we were very well aware of what was most important in them there was no possibility and no financial resources specifically for these measures

. executive power, unfortunately, it was not foreseen, we must understand that this is both the ministry of economy and the ministry of strategic industries . by the ministries of economy and the ministry of strategic industries of industrial production in the interests of the military-industrial complex, including from the e-e in the interests of the e-e armed forces and other military formations. that is, it means other in the words that the entire private defense industry remained beyond the attention of the state and the survival of each individual private defense enterprise depends on the persistence of its direct manager and the ability to find his city in this chain of

arms supply. another enterprise is simply dying, yes, unfortunately, today it is like that. okay, then the question arises that now the ministry of defense directly relies on special exporters, which include of the ministry of defense and the impression that directly in the art of defense is now the main bet on in two directions, this is foreign military equipment that comes in the form of military aid and special exporters who try to meet the needs of the ministry of defense, this is the account of their connections in one or another states, this means that this direction of foreign technology is currently dominant for ukrainian realities, so it goes in certain directions, this is a certain direction if we discuss about rocket artillery

systems of volley fire this is really the priority is foreign supply because well, we must understand, we must realize that today we cannot produce in sufficient quantities, including the rszvr, if we are already talking about floating, for example, alder, then here we really have to to give preference to this tool, including the neptune complex as a tool. i think that our production and procurement are equal and equal. well, you have been to the meetings of the ministry of defense recently. enterprises, is there an understanding that the ministry of defense of ukraine is now interested in some long-term projects that rely on the

competences of ukrainian enterprises? of military equipment to perform the tasks that are facing them, e.e., on the contact line in the south and the stairs in the first place, and here it cannot be a priority or ukrainian production or foreign production, they should apply this policy should be primarily of the ministry of defense, which implements this or that policy in the field of military equipment armament and supplies the armed forces, the armed forces must provide the need and the ministry of defense must provide it, and it will be

domestic production or it will be foreign, they should be the least interested in the region, in my opinion, it should be of interest to the ministry of strategic industries if they are responsible for the formation and implementation of state policy in the defense sector of the military-industrial complex. so they must carry out that analysis and prove the necessity and the possibility of manufacturing a sufficient quantity of ukrainian -made weapons and military equipment for our military. in my view, the key role of the ministry of strategic industries , i.e. the ministry of static industries, should take care that key competencies in defense were preserved so that it was real the sector of the economy where the defense industry manufactures a product and

creates, let's say, the conditions for the economic growth of enterprises and added value directly for the country's economy, which is extremely necessary to have, let's say, some support there in the conditions of hostilities, if this is ignored, then i will say that there is only foreign military aid and then a conditional situation arises if there the americans give us a significant number of those m-113 eyebrows. and we cannot ensure the manufacture of fourth batteries there, then after a certain time we will have stand for the equipment of the ukrainian army there, the british beaters are american. and we will simply forget about the btr-4 because no one managed to convey to the system approaches er-er the resuscitation of our british industry, this is how it turns out. this is how we see the latest statements even er-er countries of our er- of our partners, they testify that the plan for the transition of the ukrainian army is currently being developed , we have nato models in weapons and

military equipment, and we must clearly realize that if there were no the development of events and the victory will be only ours, we must realize that we will move away from the models of the soviet union and will never return to them again, they have shown their effectiveness, at the same time we see the armament of military equipment that is supplied to ukraine today, which significantly exceeds the tactical the technical characteristics, er, we are the samples of the weapons samples that are in the rashists' possession, absolutely correct. by the way, this puts new demands on our public and private industry, so i had a conversation with one of my acquaintances who are now preparing for hostilities, a

new structure is being created and they received italian mortars and they say that the italian tents are much better, more ergonomically made for people compared to those mortars that tried to promote to the ukrainian army, our manufacturers and we told her the phrase our defenders will have to do well to work so that their equipment meets the standard or that level of production that we see in foreign supplies. so, what do you think will be essential to cause for our it will be a challenge for the defense industry and we must be clearly aware that only those enterprises will be able to master the production of the latest weapons samples, perhaps these will be samples and licensed ones, we will buy licenses for the benefit of manufacturing certain weapons samples and understand that these samples there will also be those enterprises that

will be able to apply these standards in their productions, to break up their production under these standards, they will really be able to be competitive in the arms market. we must understand that the arms market will be tough enough, it was always tough is tough and the competition here has a very high ability to regulate and survive certain enterprises then how does it say whether the war will be such a driver for our defense industry in relation to certain samples because when there was a period there 14- in the 18th year, we often talked about the fact that our ukrainian weapons take part in hostilities, they are tested by the war , they will sell well after that, and then

in the 22nd year, we see that we cannot ensure serial production there, how many bases whether there are tanks there or battleships or others and we see that then the war becomes, conditionally speaking, an impetus for the promotion of foreign models and not ukrainian ones, could you still single out the ukrainian models that, after being tested by war, have proven their effectiveness and ability to solve military tasks well on the battlefield, what are the highlights of our pc that can withstand this? the test of war. i think that one thing. today we see that not only the 14th and 16th years have passed , but also the 22nd year, we see that indeed the life of

a person in the first place and those after the hostilities, tough combat clashes and near kiev and in the east of the country, they endured and have the smell of strength and the most important thing is that they are able to save the lives of our soldiers, and this gives us the opportunity to talk about the fact that such equipment was and will be in demand , including well, for example, this is one enterprise kozar armored vehicles, which enterprise is part of the forest i i think including that means, unmanned greetings, fury devices, they have proven themselves very, very positively, and i think that this is one of those directions that will really be able to

provide an opportunity to make certain certain positive dynamics, including in the east of our country, and the most important thing is the preservation of life . military personnel, we see that indeed today uav quadcopters of the appropriate models give our military personnel the opportunity to move forward and see and observe the picture that makes it possible the main happiness, please, let me repeat, is to save the lives of our military and inflict maximum damage on the mountain. that is, we can talk about the fact that unmanned complexes, light armored vehicles , radar, electronic warfare, controlled

weapons systems, these directions we can continue to develop regardless of that. let's say so, these standards are too much isn't there a lot of this competence that we should preserve and increase due to interaction between e-e state authorities at the expense of state funding and at the expense of a clear understanding of the needs of the ministry defenses, well, yes, yes, yes, yes, these are the directions that you voiced, this is true. you are not one of the most interesting directions that we can really today, there are many , including there are other directions, this is and, uh, we must not forget about, including and about the life support of our military, and there are enterprises that actually manufacture, er, measures of personal protection, er, even elementary things, such as tents and heaters, and air conditioners

, all this is necessary, but there are priorities that must be given today, er, enterprises that manufacture today individual protection they give, well, it’s like that again. the first life of each and every one of our humanity. well, by the way, the league actually includes an enterprise that manufactures barna vests. they also moved to western ukraine, they are trying to expand production, and this direction will always be relevant, because really the number of the army has increased significantly there, if we used to talk about 250,000 there, now we are talking about 700, everyone needs a helmet and a reliable body armor, and this means that this direction should also be left to its own devices defense industry and then influence foreign competences, if it is about certain materials that we currently do not have, i think that it is necessary to support and develop fear

. the month of june is ending and we are moving er if it wasn't until autumn and winter and already today we have to think about providing the military er with winter uniforms that were as comfortable as possible and as favorable as possible for conducting hostilities and er in this it must be said that today our volunteers are making incredible efforts and businesses and volunteers are doing their best to provide our military with such means. another question that fell out of the discussion a little bit is the place of various structures from the

ukroboronprom concern. there are some shareholding reforms and so on, here is your vision of the place of the concert at the current stage of the war, what are its roles and functions, is this structure excessive in conditions when we should strive to optimize the system management, and i will speak in this situation not as the acting director of the league of defense enterprises, but as a citizen of ukraine, and in my deep conviction, today such a structure as defense ukroboronprom has settings that absolutely do not fulfill the role and the place that today, theoretically, they should have completed it even in may, after reading some reports in

the mass media that ukroboronprom is developing a program for the development of the defense-industrial complex e-e for a certain perspective. it is not clear why this is an initiative of ukroboronprom, if it has the exclusive competence of the ministry of strategic industries, how can ukroboronprom participate in this, in my opinion, today it is necessary to transfer ukroboronprom enterprises to the operational management of the ministry of strategic industries, which made it possible to make certain decisions more quickly , including on moving around the location on production on providing state support to these enterprises, but we still have what we have

yuriy is currently being talked about the lend-lease program, which should ensure the supply of weapons there from the united states, but in view of previous experiments , this is actually an opportunity for the development of our own defense industry in a new format. do we have the opportunity to cooperate with the states in a new way to look at the future of our defense industry and start , let 's say, the radical transformation of our pc and the creation of new conditions for the production of military equipment. there is no such thing because we must understand that there is a huge lobby of manufacturers of military equipment weapons abroad who will broadcast their interests, including the provision of e-e weapons with military equipment of our armed forces and the military and our military formations, however

, due to the development of certain events in the south east countries, well, in other regions. we must understand that such an opportunity to be with er appear on my conviction and indeed the restoration and provision of equipment that is capable of er our industry to use the manufacturer and armament of military equipment it has a perspective i think that this is the nearest perspective but today it is as i believe - it is a very difficult process and to hope for it well it will be ethereal eastern thought if we are talking about the perspective then indeed , this is an opportunity. but at the same time, again, we are not

the private sector engaged in the production of weapons and military equipment, here we must work out certain mechanisms of public -private partnership that made it possible to really to the state as a state e-e enterprise and a private enterprise to unite their efforts and move forward the last question is your short forecast regarding the state of our state-private defense industry for the coming year 2 everything will depend on e-e the formation and implementation of state policy in the field of defense of the military-industrial complex, namely from er, well, in my opinion,

a large part will depend on the ministry of strategic industries, how they will work in this direction, the prospect of development of our enterprises today they are able to perform the most important thing is to find that uh and he is today the ministry of strategic industries which should join forces to conduct an analysis of the use of the analysis thank you for the conversation you just time is running out it was very interesting to be with you to talk in our audience, i would like to remind the audience that our guest was yury brovchenko , director of the league of defense enterprises, and serhii zgurets, director of the information consulting company defense express, spoke with you. watch us on the espresso channel on the

air from washington, the program of the ukrainian service of the voice of america, time, i am yuliya yarmolenko. congratulations , the 114th day of the full-scale russian war against ukraine was marked by the fact that the european commission recommended