large a-a products that specialize in organic products, therefore these things provide us with an additional mechanism for attracting and developing markets if we do not have the opportunity today to fully use the black sea products, because of the war , because of the blockade by the russian federation, no one in the world will wait for that while you are there a the war will end, give chances, this should be done in parallel. thank you, mr. oleksiy, but i still want to note a few important points. you emphasized taxation, and when a decision is made to reduce tax pressure, then in in principle, this has a good effect on the development of the same business and we actually have it. as i understand it, the prices could be even higher if they did not lower this tax pressure to some kind of unconscious limit, but they also emphasize to us that

something must be done to fill the state budget there and our defense capacity depends on this in particular - these are completely interdependent stories and we understand where is the golden mean in your opinion, i completely agree with you because when we talk about what we we will pay pensions with you, finance the army , today our international partners really ensure our defense capability, but when we talk about the possibility of at least rebuilding the damaged infrastructure, unfortunately these programs are currently frozen, for example, the reconstruction of private houses or the provision of apartments, but they have begun at the end of may, but as of today, they were suspended, and i know that this monday they will really talk about specific funds for such programs, but unfortunately, our international partner is not in a hurry to help us, so we are forced to rely only on ourselves, and therefore we

have to collect taxes differently. right after there will be no martial law in our country , and for today as it is, i clicked and it will remain. i thank you for this expert conversation with me at this hour. denis marchuk, deputy chairman of the all-ukrainian agrarian council, sends you to the fields. thank you, dear, and i hope for new and substantive conversations in the interests of ukrainians who are used to tasty and high-quality food , unlike even our enemies. they admit this, and they love to steal our

grain and vegetables and everything else, but at the same time, to protect our own and to develop our own is all that is left for us under the proposed circumstances to victory . cool products. and you know, there was a lot of speculation about who feeds ukraine, but it turned out that without ukraine, it will be really difficult for the world to feed itself, and we are already being signaled very clearly about this , so let's talk more about security, contact us now pavlo khakychuk head of security programs of the center of global studies strategy 21 mr. pavlo i congratulate you thank you for inclusion glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good day oh you know there are several aspects that i would really like to discuss but the first one is a kind of statement i will just remind you that

from the first days of the war, the ukrainians actually cried out and asked the world to close the sky over us, because it was scary from there that the capabilities of the ukrainian soldiers and defenders were the greatest, probably no one had any doubts, but that they were raining down on us from the sky this bothered us almost the most and for the longest time somehow, to a certain extent, our friends refused and then began to signal that we cannot afford it because it would entail the consequences of a direct collision of objects in the sky from our side of the nato conditionally speaking from the side of the russian federation, everything is a direct confrontation with the third world and further down the list, but poland can close the sky over western ukraine. this was reported by the ex-head of the national security bureau of poland e. stanislav kozei in an interview with the

polish onet. this part of our country, if russia continues to attack the border areas with our country with long-range missiles, we already have arguments for that , he says, and here we have to pay tribute to the rhetoric and they change, although it is heard from the mouth-ex, i will remind the head of the bureau of the national security bureau of poland. please comment, mr. pavlyk, whether this statement can be considered serious. is this statement purely self-serving? i do not know. -e our resistance to the enemy, the rhetoric of our partners is changing significantly. remember there in march and even april, who could talk about difficult language, heavy weapons

. we will give non-lethal, then offensive, we will give you only defense, but in the end, everyone understands that such concepts are quite exaggerated, and in reality, any weapon can be used both for defense and for attack, and russia uses all possible weapons for attack ways and means so, at first we were given light anti-pipe weapons, hand-held anti-tank anti-aircraft and anti-aircraft complexes, and now they even give anti-ship missiles. remember , could it have been possible before the sinking of moscow there somewhere in march or april, well, it’s really impossible. and yesterday, a russian ship was sunk by two rockets in our line, and let’s say so, some magpies

say that it was american harpoons, the same is the case with our airspace, if in march the whole of europe was afraid to fall into the epicenter of the great and terrible conflict that took place in its east, when russia attacked ukraine, in the end, now the europeans, even the germans, allow it. you promise to at least sell the mars, er, hand over the cheetahs. and what the polish officer says, in principle, is it is quite logical and he completely corrected the issued motion, in fact, he is not talking about air

defense, but about anti-missile defense, that is, poland undertakes, well, conditionally, it has not yet undertaken, but according to its plan, it is to shoot down unmanned aerial vehicles over the territory of ukraine such as winged objects and ballistic missiles, and this does not apply to manned objects, well, that is, to aircraft helicopters of the russians, the poles will not shoot them down, but they will defend ukraine if this decision is implemented in practice. by the way, regarding of air defense, there is also a statement from german chancellor olef scholze and his representatives that ukraine will be provided with air defense systems that will be able to protect a location like odessa or even kyiv, and it is interesting whether we are

talking about exceptional missiles or about piloted e-e aircrafts piloted as you said and it will be absolutely correct, mr. pavly, we are talking mainly about the sea after all, i thank you very much what did you comment e-e commented on the question of the sky because i was interested i was just waiting for the moment when in the end it would be possible to ask someone professional about it, but as for the situation at sea, yesterday we have great news about the shot down of a russian uh, in fact, there is a box there, if i'm not mistaken, 70% of the crew were either lost or injured, i don't no i am quite sure which word would be more correct to use here. but at the same time, we remember how it was after the sinking of this moscow. in fact, this made russian ships somewhat distance themselves from our shores, because the realization came that

ukrainians are able to finish at a certain certain distance and it is a little easier, they say, at least it started to live there, in particular, in the odesa region . to the black sea and here is another tugboat that was trying to prove something to the snake. do you think that the actual destruction of this ship will once again give us relief from the sea for a certain time, or will the russians, on the contrary, intensify on a permanent basis, almost all the time, we receive from our shores a large grouping of forces, and let's say small and powerful, which consists of

one, well, let's say frigate corvette class ships from one to four. these are cruise missile carriers of the caliber of what they are actually shelling our cities and villages. well, they carry out naval actions from one to five large amphibious ships, they are closer to the crimea, but they constantly carry out everything - they create a threat of the landing of marine landings 1:2, well, more often, one submarine eh in the water area of ​​the northwestern part of the black sea, these are also carriers of the racket. well, they are only an underwater version of the caliber of the cry. well, they also have a different radius of action. they also create a threat in principle. well, that’s all, but how to deal with them? the russians thought that

ukraine was not has anti-ship missiles, that is, they believed, according to their intelligence, that our neptune complex, which was developed and put into service, actually seems to be the military-industrial complex of ukraine, produced such a number of missiles that it was sufficient for testing robots with it and for combat service the complex has not ordered missiles in the last two years, well, from this figure, we will ask about it after the war, they say that during the war it is not worth criticizing and so on, but victory does not give any indulgence,

especially for what was omitted, omitted, incomplete before the war, the truth the truth was that we had several missiles for them and we used them correctly, that is what in principle led to panic, you can say that the command of the russian federation navy, in fact, in principle, it broke all their strategies actions at sea and it has changed a bit, but now rammstein iii took place, at which the americans said that they would deliver harpoon missiles to ukraine against ship missiles. and on the same day, in fact, two unknown missiles were hit by two unknown missiles. the rescue tug is not a tugboat it's such a big, very sad , ocean-class auxiliary uh, new uh, a serious

loss for the russians, to be honest, uh, it's a waste that it doesn't have launchers, uh, missiles, but we'll finish them, too. so, on the same day, the americans and the ukrainians demonstrated that the words are ours allies and partners about the delivery of naval missile systems to ukraine, these are not empty words and the russians will have to, er, travel for their cruiser. we really want them to eventually commandeer where they are, where they are respected to get to . and the armed forces are already there on this island and they are trying to stuff it more and more. forgive me for the fact that later it will be used against our country and our black sea

coast in particular. the importance of the serpentine and the possibilities of new attacks on this island, how promising do they look to you? well, the serpentine island, it looms over our recommended sea routes between our ports on the danube coast and the romanian ones , in principle, this is the last logistical chain we have that connects us by sea with the world. the russians have deployed intelligence and rap devices for various surveillance of the surface and underwater situation, as well as anti-aircraft missiles, anti-aircraft missile artillery complex, and more one trade pulled on the er snake er this and now

the already famous underwater tug, well, on the one hand, the serpent is a convenient, operationally important object in the black sea for the russians, that's right, on the other hand, it's convenient a tiny piece of land on which everything that the russians are trying to bring there is very densely concentrated. well, the conclusion. i think it is appropriate, that is, the goal is, in principle, it can be convenient and logical to periodically strike right there, creating snakes, a fable, the truth is what one of my colleagues said now that the russians on 1 1 quest remained as safe as possible. take out of the snake everything that they brought there. it is clear that if we are talking about ukrainian seas and it is clear to the ukrainian regions that

have access to these seas, then we are talking about several ports of different scales, uh, about unblocking these ports, at least for that in order to e-e take out from there e-e and e-e some humanitarian cargo, and i mean even ukrainian grain , these conversations are periodically held, mainly the talk here is about the odesa port, but it is not the only one , not the only one, what is the interest in ports in general for of our enemy why are they so uh heavily involved in them in fact well actually uh ukraine import export operations were carried out the two berdyansk mariupol on the sea of ​​azov

, which were captured back in march, accounted for 12%. the ports of the mykolaiv and odesa agglomerations accounted for almost 70% of the cargo traffic of the import expert trade of ukraine, including metals and fertilizers and grain why do i ask so? the russians are interested in our ports because they consider us a state with a fleet there or ah. hmm, what they care about is some military component in the port sense. no, it’s just such systematic work on the i do not know

the liberation of ukraine from the liberation of ukraine from its economy from its export capabilities from the fact that we have the opportunity to carry out these operations and mr. pavlo summing up how many non -military ships in particular and foreign ships are blocked in ukrainian ports simply due to the fact that the russian federation carries out aggression depending on where the training is, er, different sources give different data, and including kherson , the disputed ones are included or, well, in fact, we have three dozen beams of heat er, well, that is, dry loads of grain trucks are er, in ukrainian ports since the end of february and they can't leave from there, it's only between ships under a foreign flag, i won't tell you how much, i think it doesn't even

necessarily say thank you, mr. pavly, for the analysis, the head of the center's security programs globalists strategy 21 pavlo lakiychuk was in touch with us. well, we continue to talk about armaments for ukraine and how it can change the course of all actions. mr. ivan kyrychevsky, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. i will start with the same question with which we started the conversation with pavel lakychuk. the ukrainian sky and the last statements related to him after his visit to kyiv. a-a is considering the possibility of transferring air defense systems to ukraine that could protect

the sky, for example over odessa or over kiev. at the same time, there is a statement from the polish ex, i will remind the head of the national security bureau, stanislav kozy, that poland can take under the protectorate if do you want to protect the sky over ukraine in its western part, if the russian federation continues to attack the border territories with missiles, then it looks like nato, close the sky, it’s not something so incredible that in principle, at the appearance of such a possibility, our partners are ready to do it, or are we simply passing off wishful thinking, well, you know, let's call it that, let's say that, but neutrally certain contours of all this, they are one well, that is, they are outlined because if you first analyze the statement olofashol, you know it right here the

same case when the germans have a direct interest in somehow speeding up the production of this anti-aircraft missile system, well, iris terotosil, even if it really will not be there until september, because precisely in order for the turks to use this newest missile complex for according to some data, they planned to sell 16 sets of such anti-aircraft missiles to egypt, whether the delivery took place is unknown, but if such a complex can show itself worthily in the sky of ukraine, even with our highly specialized anti-aircraft fighters, then, accordingly, germany itself, well, first of all, germany itself will win this, from a financial geopolitical point of view there are some weapons markets behind you, well, and secondly, you know , even if already in ukraine, in germany, melnyk, who you know, does not hide some sharp words to the german establishment for his there vailovatsity for accuracy in the landing of weapons and the

delivery of these visions before the visit of olof shaw expressed it in an optimistic and positive way. well, it means that the decision has been made. if we talk about the initiative of the poles, which they said, on the one hand, there really is a proposal that the sky is closed over a western country, one of the representatives of the expo announced the military and political leadership of poland, but there is such an important nuance that, let's say, the elites have a ticket to what in our political language is called diepstate, in poland they still united, roughly speaking, if some retired high-ranking official declares that there is a fantastic plan that the sky over lviv is closed, then let's say it is more realistic, some of the ideas of poland that poland can accept, for example, it is really positive to sell additional air defense systems to us there, or who he knows, it is possible that the polish air force will come to the point where they will literally patrol near our borders

using instructions from nato aircraft flying radars of the avax type. well, and accordingly, if russian missiles will fly too close to the polish border line there and shoot them down because we have to wait for a technical well, how is that? no, we cannot close the sky over ukraine, or they will just collide, roughly speaking, an object flying from russia or launched by russia from by the project that was launched somehow about the technical uh, how about the possible technical details of this whole implementation that, roughly speaking, now poland can only provide anti-missile defense, it has 16 , only there they have, respectively, radio electronic the filling, accordingly, cannot be ruled out, so do not patrol near our borders, well, with the aim that if it gets too close there, the rhythm may fly

up. collision, excavation, and the like. all the moods that were in the first months of the war, they are still slow, but in the west it is changing accordingly, judging by this, there is still some consensus in the plan that it is necessary to help ukraine to strengthen the defense of the sky there, it is drawn by more that there are some ideas, or let's say ideas at the level of fears that russia may try to hit the objects of our energy industry on the eve of the winter campaign. they still have some kind of a certain place, but even today they planted six missiles without working the destroyed kremenchug nz there are two missiles in the textual kremenchug here and there there are already ruins left, but the russians decided to do so because of the reminder that they can hit our energy facilities well, maybe they will dispose of the missiles in the end and no matter what, but less so er on

today we have approximately 30-40 and sometimes 50% of equipment losses as a result of active hostilities. thus, we lost about a total of 50%, and this is what deputy minister of defense volodymyr karpenko says in an interview with national defense, and this is almost not the first time the real number of our losses is heard. if we talk about the equipment at the front, it is scary , in fact, we have actually lost half of it, well , that is, i realize that when a war goes on without losses , and taking into account how the enemy's artillery works, they are really noticeable with us, but here i mention the third rammstein and the list of those weapons that , according to its results, should be supplied to us in the near future, in particular america, and i do not think this is

a convincing argument. such a lyrical speech seems to be pro-russian armored losses there already sounds an appetizer seems to be just dragged out levin well and of course at first glance it seems that we have losses of the same level, which is wonderful, but if you take to compare our declared losses, the actual losses are solemn in terms of armored vehicles, in fact, it actually still works out for us, the ratio of losses in tanks is one to three dashes 64, that is, roughly speaking, not one per rod, almost four lost russians, well, sorry for such a rough mathematical calculation, if you take the ratio to the lost harrows of our cars, for one loss of numbers per car, at least 3 lost russian armored cars, that is, the ratio of that iron, as many say, with your permission, we continue not the fact that they have a lot of them is because there was such a persistent myth that there are 10,000 tanks in storage bases in russia that are waiting for their

decisive moment and that they will go through the steel ore to lamenshe. well, this has become a gate which was waiting there for its time, or excuse me, literally ruslan mohom, because of some unsatisfactory low-storage, well, or is it real that if they are russians, they are still forced to come to the point of removing the t-62 tanks from preservation, well, next to the newer t-80 and 52, of course it there is additional value and modernization in them, respectively, after all, the problems with losses are more acute , again if we go back to these figures of the transfer of rammstein weapons to whom we are talking, judging by the whole point, if we see that we have large losses in armored vehicles and the allies give us first of all artillery well, let's still look at the fact that we still have artillery, which is the most unsatisfactory situation , that is, we and the russians have losses, well, a pair-system in

a one-to-one or similar, the allies decided to choose the logic that, first of all, we need to cover our needs, that is, we need to cover what, you know, where , relatively speaking, is the biggest hole. if we are talking about the supply of armed equipment, but here, too, we should not forget that we do not receive armored vehicles from the west, it is simply not the supply of this at all they don't sound in the context of rammstein well, for example, the latest news is that slovenia has announced that it has supplied us with 35 infantry fighting vehicles, and despite the fact that, well, if a lot of this could theoretically happen, that is, you know, the delivery took place, well, that is according to some let's say yes pleasure that we talked about is happening behind the brackets and rammstein and probably any public coverage and is asking about it because artists outside of various rammstein outside of various languages ​​about the forest have already put

at least 300 defense vehicles and something else is being prepared if finland has recently announced that it is ready to transfer another batch of its weapons to us, and somehow it is ethereal that the ramstein history is not included, well, that is, fortunately for us, it is still soybeans, which they are ready to give even if in small portions, but they are ready to give us armored vehicles, they give it to us as a gift, here's how it is, returning to our so we started a conversation, in fact, we have heavy losses, but fortunately for us, we still have something to cover it like this, first of all, we need artillery to take out the russians well, let me remind serhii danilov , the secretary of the national security and defense council, once again noted that so far, lend-lease deliveries from the united states of america have not started, which means that now we actually do without everything that is outside the scope of this decision