unfortunately, since that time, our authorities, for some reason, did not react to this, as well as to another proposal that it was necessary to immediately break this bilateral friendship treaty and, uh, break diplomatic relations. well, thank god, uh it is gradually being realized, that's why i'm glad that you want to be late for 8 years or almost 9 years, after all, the right decision is being made, except that it was strange the form in which everything was done through a petition of some citizen, as if we don't have it state bodies that are for it correspond and who should have been the initiator of such well, but it is, as they say, the form is the main thing here - it is the content, and in this way we actually really put an end to the er understanding that this is not just a

formality and it is er, i think that disconnection which should pass through the heads of all ukrainians, er, russia is a country with which nothing should connect us except the bloody past. well, i hope that it will end quickly and that will be put to an end. by the way, in the history not only of putin's regime, but of the russian federation well, but about this separately, that’s why i think that we should draw a simple conclusion from this that the enemy is on the ledge and we will have to coexist with this enemy for a certain period until it completely collapses. well, but until then we must take all necessary measures for so that not a single mouse would sneak up to us from the other side, because it was strange when we are fighting and our borders are open

vladimir, when we are fighting and trading at the same time, thank god this has now been put to an end thank you, mr. volodymyr and by the way, i want to invite of our viewers to follow the posts of volodymyr orysk on twitter, it is always very accurate . briefly and most importantly, you can search for such flowers every day, just like vitaly portnikov's blogs, but on youtube they were followed by twitter diplomats of the world, it was very interesting er opinion about the er visit of the president of kazakhstan to moscow and really it is the same for other peoples of the former ussr, it is a question of survival or will they understand that it is necessary to put an end to their

past and look to the future to the future but without in russia, mr. volodymyr, this is the president of kazakhstan, and he sat next to putin as if he was eating lemons all the time, but he just had the face of a person who eats lemons, and i think , lord, please spit out that lemon already. well, he is such a person, you know he was yours when he was your colleague as the minister of foreign affairs in kazakhstan , he is so used to eating lemongrass, that's true. thank you . volodymyr ogryzko was in touch with us. you have to hold your position, you have to be able to defend it and have weapons in your hands, then russia will have no chance. thank you mr. volodymyr volodymyr hrytsko, diploma of swords , 7-9 years old, the ambassador of ukraine was in contact with us. well, let us remind you that the president of kazakhstan

, tokayev, took part in the st. petersburg economic forum, where he refused to recognize putin's pseudo-republic as part of the ordlo and also refused to take the order from his hands. of the president of the aggressor country, but we will talk about it in the second part of our program, now what kind of artist is it, we will have an e-e inclusion in which we will talk in more detail about all the results of the third rammstein and about the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine and its prospects. please let me know if we have a guest on the call. at the regular meeting of the

contact group on the ban on ukraine with the participation of more than 50 countries, which took place this week in brussels . we spoke with you before this brussels meeting . what exactly will they give and then you will draw conclusions well, now we can already share these conclusions, mr. viktor, what are the main results of the third rammstein for kyiv, for ukraine, do you know i think that the main results in the rest of the year were summed up by our minister of defense oleksiy reznikov, he basically when he started talking immediately after arriving for rammstein about the stages of the future stages of the development of events in the war . the stage of stabilization of the front. the first stage is the stage

of stabilization of the front, that is, most likely he means or he thinks that enough weapons will be provided to us in order to, in principle, stop the advance of russia at least there by a kilometer by 1.5 km how the day is taking place in the east in order to stabilize the front, what is needed for this? well, if parity is one thing, then at least a sufficient number of artillery weapons or high-precision weapons that could be there for the time being easily eh the nearest eh communications in the enemy's lines, yes, in order to basically stop the possibility of the mood, this is the first stage, yes, and let's say that for this stage, most likely, the weapons will be sufficient for today, so at the end of june, at the beginning of july, the weapons will be enough because we hear that, in principle , several dozen

m-109 e-e a1 howitzers are delivered or provided. and this is the most widespread american howitzer, which, in principle , is more than anything else in the world, because all three axes are the same, as they are called at the front. -77 yes then, in principle, there are not so many of them, there are not so many of these german high-precision armored howitzers, uh, not so much, and there are many other players in the world, but there are other countries in the world, 109 of them are quite a large number, most likely they will make up the basis is the first stage. and for this stage, one quantity will be submitted. the second stage, which was said in varschikov , is the stage of the counteroffensive. here

there should be, well, definitely more weapons, definitely more , er, let’s say yes, self-propelled guns, definitely more armored vehicles, i don’t think that we have heard from macron about the fact that there is an explicit or, in principle , already an agreement by the owner, because everyone already knows about it and in the process they are saying to provide western-type tanks for us and er-e attack by aircraft, but in principle, aviation, um, let’s say so, western-type aircraft is meant, but aircraft that was soviet- type, which is still available in some countries, can come to us , including in the form of aircraft kits as you know, the car-sets used to arrive separately, the wheels separately, and here the planes come separately, the fuselage, e.e., the wings, separately, this is also an aircraft kit, both in the form of e.e.e.e. spare parts, but our agricultural machinery can also come in, e.e., in principle, and do not

provide armored vehicles, armored vehicles mean western-style tanks, but there is also a sample of soviet armored vehicles in the form of a soviet-style bmp, that is, a former soviet- style vehicle. other measures that will probably be agreed upon a little later, but this second stage will most likely be supplied with such and such weapons, it seems to me, again, that their quantity will be enough to complete the tasks that will be set at this second stage stage regarding the third stage, here it is very interesting to say the risk of the third stage - it happened only after consultations with our western partners and this third stage is called er-e completely liberation of all territories of ukraine, including the liberation of the occupied donbass and which was

occupied since the 14th year and liberated it from the occupied crimea, this is the third stage, and there is a completely different quality of weapons, a different amount, and by and large , a different quality of the war and possibly different risks of war. and for these risks of war, maybe it will be necessary and absolutely, so to speak, and other arrangements, i’m not sure, tactical weapons there. these are the same freshness, blades, fenists, and so on, that is, barrage, so-called dropped ones that can hit different targets there. so they will be given and will be given in sufficient quantities, in the same way as the anti-aircraft means of the front edge of the tactical level, that is, i will give a sufficient number, meaning the same walls of reparation and all other people, anti-tank means

will be in sufficient quantity, but a little more difficult. this is of course at this stage, it will develop and there is one more. well, in my opinion, yesterday's news from johnson is very interesting, that the united kingdom will train military personnel of ukraine right away, and quite a large one. the amount will be ready to be prepared in three months, it seems to me that not only individual specialists will be trained here, but if there is such a number, then the units with weapons and equipment and with all other equipment of the tactical and operational level are already ready, mr. viktor, please stay in touch. and i will ask meanwhile, in italy, portnikova is, er, vitaly, er, mr. chumak is talking about the third stages. and actually, he, er, is extremely interesting. when will we be able to start it? yes, we heard, er, this week

the words of general marchenko about what just in ukraine the necessary amount of weapons will be provided. the ukrainian troops will go into the counteroffensive, which will end by the end of the summer, but we understand that this counteroffensive and the defense of our eastern borders, pushing out the enemy from the east and south, may take much longer, may even take several years, and all this depends on the speed of realization by a collective measure of the threat from the northeast in the form of russia. receives support from the west, and actually we understand that we will receive a lot. this is unprecedented support, this is support from all

the western countries that are currently giving ukraine what they can, they are giving ukraine a little bit at a time, and we have the opportunity to defend oneself, however, in order to move to this third stage, something more is needed, political will is needed, and in the end we heard from emmanuel macron in kyiv that at the moment there is no decision to provide ukraine with long-range weapons, nevertheless, these weapons come from other countries when your the thought will come that this understanding of the collective action of this threat is sufficient for ukraine to be able to completely liberate its entire east and crimea because there is an understanding, but there is a clear understanding that any escalation of the conflict threatens its possible nuclear component, and that is why i simply get the impression that there is such a desire to boil this frog in milk so calmly, the only thing that is happening to us is a pity that this is the life of our

soldiers, this is our destroyed cities, this is a continuation of economic problems, of course we would like all this was fast, but unfortunately, any realistic person in the west realizes what volodymyr putz is and what he can go to, let's say , if everything is obviously getting out of hand today, and i think that in this matter of pace it is not that we do not they want to supply weapons, but what they want let's say to harmonize the pace of russia's economic collapse with its military failure, something, we will talk about this in more detail in the second part of our program . meanwhile, the enemy continues to shell ukraine with missiles. kryvyi rih, as well as the russians launched a missile attack on the oil refinery and other infrastructure facilities in kremenchuk, the head of the poltava ova, dmytro lunin, reported that from 6 to 8 russian missiles

hit the oil refinery and other infrastructure facilities, and actually, victor, there has been a long-standing discussion about provision of effective air defense systems to ukraine, thoughts began that such systems should be purchased in israel, not necessarily an iron dome, perhaps it could be a matter of david's sling, which could be more universal for ukraine, thoughts were heard about the need to supply ukraine with american anti-aircraft systems patriot and finally the german chancellor in kyiv announced the transfer of air defense systems to our country an air defense system specialist, but i can simply say well, how is it being built

in other countries and that system proclaims that in principle it is a second-hand system of a strategic nature long-range missiles that intercept missiles and aircraft at a distance of up to 300 300 km yes, well, the same patriots, the same type, the same already russian 300 s400 and the same s300 as we have, and then there is an air defense system of such a medium range there there is from 40 to 100 km, then there is already a short-range ppu system there up to 7 km. these are already portable and, uh, in the winter, there are mirrors and so on. if we are talking about us today, then in principle. look, let's remember with you here is stoltenberg's recent statement that nato will now transfer armed forces the forces of ukraine to nato standards so that we will transfer all the armed forces to nato standards , then i think that in principle this also applies to the air defense system. if we talk about

air defense, then yes, in principle, it is still possible to somehow put up with this, because today we have aviation has already been preserved, which the russians have already completely destroyed two or three times, but it is still working in our country , but what about anti-missile defense, yes, the question is really difficult here, because they are enough missiles, especially cruise missiles, non-ballistic ones that fly there on a given trajectory, and the winged ones that can change the trajectory are without a doubt much more difficult to intercept them because they fly at low altitudes, they can bypass terrain in the area, they can fly in riverbeds and so on, and where they are not seen by the test system and therefore, it is necessary to build an anti- missile defense system here. it is much more complicated , it is impossible to go back. i think that most likely it should be built like this and

shalanova . in principle, they can have bombers from any direction, but we definitely understand that most likely in the places where such bombers are based, there should be a long-range system, and cities should be covered in such a system, which is similar to iris in german, so because it is just medium range well, most likely if i build it such a maddened system of anti-missile anti-aircraft defense well, then the risk will decrease, but let's say that we will achieve 100% er one hundred percent effectiveness of anti-aircraft anti-missile defense, well, on today is very difficult because there are other types of weapons and we also already know about it because weapons with hypersonic speeds over sound patterns have already been used here, such as missiles and daggers, which are basically the same with themselves. i don't

know, uh, i'm saying exactly a point that is simply increased to to to the plane that speeds it up gives it its kinetic speed, then it still applies its engines and i just get a super-fast otaku effect there is a super-high speed for that and it is already difficult enough to intercept it is clear therefore it is necessary you have to go and step by step you will not be able to achieve complete impenetrability, but it is quite possible to protect large cities, and the fact that ukraine was visited this week by such an unprecedented number of world leaders who visited kyiv in the kyiv region indicates that the system is taxed by coaches, or at least at least one at a time uh, the possibility of a minute, how is there a nuclear threat, tactical nuclear weapons, and another thing here, i think that in principle, the western world is not only

afraid of uh, how many weapons, if you give us a huge pile of weapons, yes, and if we very quickly let's move on to defense, we can change the mood in russia, and there are a lot of people who say that, in principle, if russia's mood is now, they are uh, and let's say so moderate, yes, in relation to this war, some support it, some do not, in principle, if we can very quickly move on to the next and let's say that it poses a danger to the territories of russia itself, that is, in the west they are afraid that this can change the mood and can just push for general mobilization, and general mobilization - this is a very large number mobilized people, and let them not be motivated, let them not know how to fight, but this is meat that can be provided with a very large amount of iron, old iron that is in storage in russia, and this is also such a danger, that's right, as vitaliy said

, that's the idea of ​​cooking hmm talk i'm not even saying, mr. viktor, that it's right. i'm just trying to explain the motive. well, i'm also not saying that it's right, i'm also saying that, most likely, such fears exist and such fears drive them. thank you, viktor chumak, chief military prosecutor of ukraine was in touch with us in 2019-20. thank you, mr. viktor. we are continuing and already have the next guest of our air. andrii sannikov, belarusian opposition political and public figure, ex-deputy minister of foreign affairs of belarus, political prisoner and coordinator of public programs of european belarus, congratulations, mr. andrii, i ask the directors

to pay attention to the title andriy sannikov, please contact us congratulations, please, i think that we should start an older conversation with you, mr. andrii, about the fears that putin will pressurize lukashenko and belarusians the troops will still cross the border from ukraine. do you believe in such a possibility? is it already in the past ? zelensky drew attention to this and gave an order to check uh for four districts when i am not mistaken on the maximization on the part of belarus uh on readiness to stand

ready, that's why i fly so that lukashenko is udylnycha and he has never been neutral no, i'm still sad no, no, contrary to all the views of putin, we believed that he was honored in this war with a large concentration of russian troops on the border with ukraine from the side of belarus and when he dedicated it to the fact that russia was preparing for war and it was fought off and now when we see what is going on for days the exercises are extended with a-a during this term их техых included well now they would have missed my july when e-e-mail information will be increased from that this means that every day you can resist the physical twisting of the border from ukraine on the part of in your opinion, belarus can be the tools

of putin's pressure on lukashenka in addition to money, that is, it is clear that putin is in desperation. he needs manpower and needs the withdrawal of ukrainian troops concentrated in the east in order to achieve his goals, which he is already trying to do without success. for many weeks, however, we see how lukashenko is effectively forming. it is one thing to provide one's territory for the establishment of russian iskanders there, and it is quite another to fully invade the territory of another state however, this week we heard such threats from lukashenka that belarus may begin to protect western ukraine from the alleged encroachments of the european union and even about missile strikes on kyiv. what is putin's pressure on

lukashenka ? would effectively become super putin no, it never happened lukashenko is holding on to power . therefore, the kremlin is not superstition by any plan of putin. and this is what he is doing all this time, and he is clinging to power, he is clinging to power with the help of repression, he is raping repression. в этой далее и мы выдыйтате что, and then lukashenko went on for a long time during the events of the 20th year, when vlad was there. well, maybe he found it then to the people and then sent his own and not only propagandists . and so on yes

after this word, lukashenko kneel threatens what can be in kyiv and what about us when her colleagues are such a sick fantasy, i still paid attention to ghetto because he - it was not for a while, will not be a friend, and ukraine, as it were in a recent column for the russian federation, oleg zhdanov, a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine and a military expert, writes that there is an assumption that putin can blackmail lukashenka with the most valuable, for example, his youngest son. lukashenko is a cunning, experienced politician, his son is always by his side, he clearly controls him, and in fact does not allow any possibility of an attempt or the possibility of

contact with him by the russian special services, what is this assumption? week in ukraine, a meeting of the national security and defense council was held at the initiative of the president. and where are the ukrainian law enforcement officers assessing what is happening in belarus, what is the state of the belarusian army today, how many russian soldiers are there, let's try it too to find out what is actually happening to the belarusians, what is their state, what are their moods, how are these trainings initiated by lukashenka, and is it really possible to double the size of the belarusian army as announced by the

self -proclaimed president of belarus? during this aggressive war of russia, god is the belarusian army , and it is not as politicized as the otboslova services of the belarusian service there kdb there we gubazyks are our countrymen with their own repressions and for each other on the other hand, the belarusian army is appearing and a part of the belarusian people, the belarusian people hated lukashenko, and this hatred has not disappeared, it has been showing off since the 20th year and it was there until the 20th year, but now the belarusian people simply do not don't think of lukashenko as a person who can be guided by the truth of a normal state and a normal state, especially during

such an assembly, the situation created by russia is why everyone is the same. that now, in the army, those who participated in the protest in the 20th year are serving because there was no call and there was more panic and they took off their weapons, and i think that to adjust the way they were in the 20th year, they will return to the people a-and with weapons, that is, a person with a gun, all this was and will be a factor of super lukashenka, not against the ukrainians, well, what are our positions for all the fools ? but it goes to the side of ukraine and we compete with russia for literally a minute. i just wanted to ask you. and why, in your

opinion, alexander lukashenko did not fly to st. petersburg, because this st. petersburg forum - it is obvious that this is a city where such a nickname of putin's allies of president tokayev is not like that. i would said in a position close to the kremlin, like lukashenka, but he flew, but the wallet stayed at home. there er in the film agreed security, colleagues, meetings are also here. and secondly, i just won't imagine it. it's not that you don't want to say. sasha, stay at home. well, that's what, uh , and so the problem is enough there and us. and you will be so that there are two idiots on one form, this is too interesting a remark, yes