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fight it and now i remember the beginning of the era of the internet and everyone said that it was the 90s when the internet appeared, when there was an opportunity to read and write everything there, everyone said one thing that now it will be impossible to manipulate people's consciousness, now the truth will always find a way out outwardly, if someone wrote you stupid somewhere in the newspaper, then you are 100% on the internet. you will read the truth on tv , they will no longer be able to lie and that's it. well, we live in a completely transparent society, yes, plus or minus 20 years have passed there and we are sitting and discussing that how to define manipulation and this name is a complicated bot farm, you are a network of coordinated inauthentic behavior. i wrote it down, yes, you started a very important story about where to start, how to attract a person, how to

prove that a fake is a fake, you have to start we are preparing a meeting for july within the framework of the lublin triangle with poland and lithuania with our colleagues from similar centers and one of the issues is to talk about the need to introduce common terminology so that we understand what is it about, because uh, information war is not that, well, not quite trophies, not quite about manipulations , not quite about disinformation, these are all components, we are talking about information terrorism, and this is also one of the terms that today a-a well, you have to somehow be in the legal sphere, because what is happening also drives a person into a hopeless situation, just like ordinary terrorism, well, what is the task of terrorism to frighten you so much and make you

such conditions that there is no way out, all informational terrorists act in the same way only in the informational sphere therefore, we need the term information terrorist, information terrorist financing , information terrorism, etc. if a country finances information terrorism, it should also be listed among the countries that finance it, and what is an ordinary information terrorist , representatives, for example, friends, remember in april from there was information that ukraine is selling off humanitarian aid, and the original source of this was ex-intelligence officer shvets, who, uh, posted a video, he publishes a youtube channel, i watched it there a million and a half ago, then in this video what is the aid to ukraine from the usa disappearing in an unknown direction on the western borders if the issue of embezzlement is not resolved, stop supplying one and a half million views, information

based on nothing well, because people who are more or less involved in the processes there or simply understand that such a supply of targeted aid from europe now, yes, how is it going, how is it controlled? it’s simple, well, it’s impossible, even theoretically, but this message found listeners in its viewers and they started a conversation. of course, they steal everything there. he is generally a military expert on youtube. well, he also has friends, so there are a huge number of specialists in information and psychological operations in russia, and they are there. well, you have to understand that there are thousands, they follow all this very carefully, and this is what we said at the beginning of the conversation when something breaks out from the content and it starts to disperse, and it is possible that shvets dispersed 1.5 million, well, good people were found and it

flew, and if you can prove it, well, this is an argument for the court, if you can't, it seems to you that it's just trust in people, but again to the court in within the framework of which article of the criminal code, this is about it now, and it should be about fixing it first, at least in our legislation, and then scale it up and transform it into the world, showing it, explaining it, we need a big discussion with the involvement of journalists, the involvement of the public for in order to separate journalists from pseudo-bloggers and uh, it's networks, well, it's more informational terrorism and the need to qualify it all. because otherwise, we're uh, replacing the concept of freedom of speech with bacchanalia words in this well, this is a discussion from the first year of the

faculty of journalism, i remember well, that's where it all starts maybe i'll interrupt you, i just want to remind you that this is absolutely not a new story, do you remember the 90s radio of thousands of hills in ireland, which actually caused a mass massacre of the people of turkey. yes, and so it happened that they were mostly brought to justice, and this is a very interesting story, because this radio, in fact, all the time promoted the fact that national institutions are not people, they are cockroaches cockroaches and they talked about it all the time and all the time they talked about would and would kill and that's actually what managed to prove the involvement of these people radio dj presenters in mass murders eh rwanda really is a country of thousands of hills relief that's how it is in those places where there were radio waves there were

thousands of hills reaching this radio station, and there were tens of times more murders, and during the trial , it was necessary to prove that about 50,000 murders were caused by listening to the radio station, this story is impressive talk - talk about i was interested in these networks, and i spoke here literally yesterday with the head of the stopfe organization, vin fetchenko. he told a very interesting story about the disinformation newsroom, so let's listen to this interview autonomously speaking when people see that now it will come either from russian or from russian media or even in some

open ones, this is to win the perception, and in connection with this, they began to russia now presents accents, this is in order to promote some doubts about ukraine, to generate to sell doubts, this is the main product now of the russian disinformation system, these doubts penetrate the discussion at very, very different levels , that is, people begin to express all their doubts not only in official sources . it will scatter at first the invasion was very er high was very effective there was such euphoria and

every ukraine is fighting but then these doubts they have to undermine the whole emir and we already see a lot of medical materials and in general we see also reducing the media of ukraine, a group for this system is also pro-russian e-e parties all over the world, pro-russian media, pro-russian organizations, you see some newsmakers that we call all flanders, but they quieted down and tried, as it were, to make them invisible, and now they have reappeared this is the position again, no one is

ashamed of it. that is why russia is making a very, very big effort. they are trying to create public opinion in their countries, and this is the part that is the most dangerous, of course these messages are somewhere are developed at the centralized level, and then they are already brought to the attention of those who told us about the fact that, for example, there are 20 more in russia and a centralized information than movement, and what are these messages , exactly? we see how

the amount of disinformation related to ukrainian refugees has generally increased. and this is one of the most dangerous types of disinformation, because it is very easily broadcast from online to offline, a new space, that is, relatively speaking, today there are some the media will call on don in germany or in the netherlands, and when, for example, russian disinformation portrays the negative world as inserting them into local residents, trying to create some conflict situations between them that did not exist, including around, for example, the use of the russian language it is obvious that we have a calculated mixture - these are

ukrainian refugees, the russian language and the russian media, and they work, this is one of these urban, this is a very important thesis. i think we need to talk about this because now there is a lot of talk about refugees and their behavior abroad in ukraine, and it turns out that it is also technology and not only about refugees, but about russian citizens who are and live abroad. they also play a very important role in shaking up and supporting these narratives the kremlin that they perceive through russian television but when they are in europe , they sow it as uh, 100% thesis. this is exactly the kind of instance that a ukrainian tv presenter and blogger encountered in olitka, she left at the beginning of a full-scale invasion of germany with his son, his mother, and here they went. they just went to the lake to rest for one day, and there the citizen of

germany is german. glory to ukraine, let's listen. that's why let's go forward in russian or in german in ukraine, please, let's finish this conversation . our country so that the bombers are fucking yes yes i've lived here for 25 years even stupid what's up what kind of attack did i fuck you know that anya went to a police station in germany after this incident wrote a statement there waited six hours and in the end they accepted the statement let's ask her more yes, she is on the direct line. anya, we congratulate you, the army of olitka

tv presenter, blogger, katya, to see you. good day. good day. thank you for the invitation. yes, first of all, we want to say a few words, thank you for your endurance. for courage, for what you are. - the first recorded this conversation, secondly, you behaved very discreetly, and in contrast, i don't know the face of russia, let's call this man a product of russian propaganda, the face of russia, well, well, you behaved very correctly and posted this video, and that 's what happened then if the police told you, well, see well, first well, i did not react quickly, i could immediately call the police to the scene, but unfortunately, fortunately, i have never had such cases here in germany. for 3,500 m, but still two days later i submitted an application and two were opened of criminal proceedings, the first is against that russian patriot, and the second is criminal

proceedings against the threats that i am currently receiving on social networks instagram. with such terrible words, someone said that he was in the place of that russian patriot. let's all just cook you as a brother, and it's so terrible, i'll honestly tell you that this is exactly the face of that russian mir who kills our ukrainian children, rapes our women, and well, in general, it's that simple. well, it's already terrible. here in europe with ukrainian women who without protection, without men, men on the front lines and eyes,

russian patriots, well, i’m sorry, katsaps, i can’t say it any other way. they feel that they are like that . you know, the brave here understand that only women are here. who else can hit them? only women with children are ukrainian, they are all ukrainian and that’s how they are brave, but you know what i want to tell you, i already understood who the russian germans are here, there are quite a lot of them here, but they all have german passports, but they have the consciousness of that russian quilter, they are they traditionally watch russian television on may 9, they traditionally have dumplings, shashlik, vodka, they marry only their own, their own, their own, their own russians, they work in their own, so they have the consciousness of a totally russian quilter you know, the powerful russian ghetto is very powerful, and

such people are very easy to influence with a migrant past. they are migrants. this is what affects them, but i will tell you this: russian television in germany. well, there used to be no russian tv here, it was even translated into german, now there is no such thing . but here are these russian germans, they find russian television everywhere, they buy a broadcast somewhere on the internet, they find it, and they watch it, and here it is. that’s how it happens, what happened about for example, the supply of weapons is germany's decision. that is, it has been hesitating for months already. ukraine has not received anything. it is only because of the mentality of the germans that they will think 100 million times before accepting something, but this is the official position of the government, and the position of the

local germans themselves. the other thing is, you can imagine that the germans are offended when we ukrainians say well, why doesn't germany supply weapons to ukraine, and the germans say and we don't support the official position of the government, we are against that, it's really offensive and well, that's how it is that is all, i.e., pro-ukrainian rhetoric, but decisions are made well, so far, this word is not in my favor, russian, german language, it is русский, немец , немецкий русский, it always caused dissonance in me, so much so that even the cadres who saw it, it seemed, yes, that is, rude saying why the audience of russian television in these rural areas of rubtsovsky watches tv this way and that because you have nothing else in the house besides the same tv. so you go outside to go to the toilet. there, uh, there is no life, there is no money. well, what is left for you in life to do like on tv, but for me it's always in germany. when i didn't have to cross there,

it was a more unique phenomenon for me. well, it will work. i don't know there on the bunders . look at the stairs in the museum. you are sitting in germany, please explain to me why you then video of the match yes yes yes at the end of the video i asked the question if you are such a russian patriot then why are you here in germany if you love putin's policy so much go to russia and support all that in what kind of country are you? that's how you're just promoting , well, what did he say? i'm german. i'm german. i have a german passport, but you know what else was funny after that incident. well, of course, the whole of ukraine supported me, the whole of poland wrote to me and they found that russian patriot very he quickly closed his page in odnoklassniki and someone, that is

, even his distant relatives, who told me a lot about him, really, that person was a bully, or until 2000 there was 13 of the 12th year, and that person even went to ukraine to visit his relatives, and after 2012, something happened. you understand. that is, this is already such a long process of this russian propaganda, that is, they just, well, how they were wedged, and another fact, one person wrote to me that he, uh, most likely, well, he was there somewhere, somewhere he indicated himself on a social network, i am a fan of the german party ifd, this is how it is translated as an alternative for germany, it is radical, it is the right. paradoxically for germany, she is also russian

. she is for russia. she supports trump there. you know what is not so good. it is even funny that she says that germany is for the germans, she is against emigrants. and here is that russian patriot, he supports this party. and the fd, which is against emigrants, well, it’s just, well, you know, total surrey , well, let’s put it this way, the nazi party here in germany. well, if you can say so, i think that you know, there are thousands of patriots who live in russia, german patriots are such nits putin, who are sitting and waiting for their lice to crawl with weapons to the middle of europe, take over the whole world, and then they will say, well, finally, this is our great empire, they live there, but they dream of a big war, german passports were not given , so that they could somehow control this process in the sovereign affairs of foreign countries and do not tell such lives like this, thank you once again for your action and for your inclusion and for explaining what is

happening in germany to my son. greetings, give glory to my mother, ukraine, hang in there, i want talk i want to take a short break for a few minutes now, friends, we have traditional videos and then we will come back and discuss this story watch the project to find your kateryna osadchai from the search for the missing tomorrow at 21:30 ukraine is not just the geographical center of europe today it is the heart of the struggle for freedom and european values on june 21 at 9:00 p.m., watch the embrace ukraine charity telethon live from the very center of amsterdam , museum square, the leaders of the houses of ukraine and world stars, the brightest performers whom europe fell in love with

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home. i'm really waiting . thank you to all the fathers of ukraine. watch the charity telethon embrace ukraine. on june 21 at 21:00 1+1 , the project night watch and we will return to the air. we continue to talk about disinformation, propaganda , and so, after the inclusion of our heroine from germany, well, what to do with these patriots of the kremlin who, well, openly try to slander ukrainians and just when they see how to go to the street, even this video well, maybe it was possible not to turn on the green light just to discuss, well, this horror of russian patriotism. well,

i’m sorry, i think the german legislation still determines what will happen to you if you , firstly, humiliate a person because of his race , and secondly, life will be threatened, that is, rude saying, you know, it seems to me where, where, and in germany, the fate of this child, well, that is, the child of russia, so it is already determined, that is, within the framework of that well, the responsibility that is prescribed in the state, the laws work normally, he will have his responsibility , therefore, for germany. personally, i was not worried . it is written there, this precedent, in fact, he will actually make the same ones. it seems that his comrades are called brothers, so by the dumplings, it will make them understand for them, so when you see a ukrainian girl there, and whoever next time, you won't open your mouth, you're like this, she goes there and so on, you know , that's how they sit down, in fact, fear is stronger than love for putin, russia's fear is stronger than everything, love

for putin, you understand. this story tells not only about fear, but also about the radicalization of local communities, do you remember what anya said , they say that until 2012 this guy was normal, that is, he was charged systematically and deliberately, these people are affected by propaganda that is aimed specifically at them, that is, these nizrums russian disinformation they are very, very targeted at these communities of russians abroad precisely in order to make them their accomplices, so what to do with these communities, how to work with them , first of all, it is necessary to bring the story to its logical conclusion, and you, as journalists, have then it is necessary to monitor and spread such information as much as possible, fear is greater than love for putin

, this is clear, especially in germany, if there is a prospect, for example, of deportation, and native birches will appear in front of your eyes, yes, instead of a mercedes lada a grant without, well, with icons, and everything about without about security, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes . and the story, well, it's simple. well , this whole story hits you to the bone, realizing that a completely defenseless woman with a child when her husband is here and no one can do it for her. well, the hero is absolutely comparable to the heroes in bucha what well, they raped children there. here is the same hero er, but when