these are the texts of many others, and he was, first of all, an anti-soviet author, and it was in this , well, in this team that they read texts like, uh, white guards just didn't want to pay attention. i also once i will say that i don't want to , i just fundamentally don't want to discuss the aesthetic level of the text, yes, the aesthetic level of the texts is the power of the writer, what is the level at which he speaks the language, there are a lot of good writers in our country, for example, i don't care what the school program on italian literature is only dante alighieri and everything and there is no more italian literature, we don't care that from spanish literature there is only don quixote and then lorca and everything, we don't care that there is no

one from czech literature at all. - that they didn't have good writers, for example, we don't care that there is no thomas saman of the nobel prize in the foreign literature program at all, but now if we are going to talk about aesthetic value, then let someone try to prove that the master and margarita is a stronger text than doctor tom som's house, why are these disputes er-er, this dispute is impossible. that's how it's easy to end it, and then if we admit that well, there are many strong writers in the world. then the question is why should we study some and ignore others? and the answer is very simple, because eh- well, in particular, the school curriculum there was built that way, and in general, this idea was built so that russian writers appeared to be stronger , closer, better, and this is in fact, but this is

not really a question of aesthetic uh, hmm, aesthetic evaluation or as a result of some drives, it's a question of just imposing, it's a question of the end of this imperial strategy than you should read anyone. it is called e means the beginnings of european poetry of the first half of the 20th century and there are, you know, seven e-e in a row, seven are polymer, there is lorka, there is rivke, and then , that is, one of the various national literatures of poetry, and then there is a block, there is mayakovsky yerahmatova e-e and er there is er pasternak is just a question. why are

there three of them from europe together and four of them from russia together? this is despite the fact that i want to say again i don't want to say that er any of them is better as a poet and it's worse, i won't talk about it now, uh, if it comes to that, then why aren't there uh, then well, i don't know if i have daughters, for example, okay, but we're not talking about that we're talking about what that's why there are there are no others in europe, in fact there are many poets , but what can we not? shifts to the plane it should shift to the plane of ethics well, in the end, the plane of ideology, but first of all ethics and now it is not ethical to study them in this situation, it is not ethical to study them at all, that is why such a

moratorium is needed. they will be thrown out of home libraries, er, there are tons of pushkin's works, er, this is a private matter, a civil country, the internet is not closed here, and of course, no one will save anyone from reading, er, that means the most er, such er, i don't know terry texts that he wants to read, but school is something else, but you are sitting in public libraries, well , it is clear, look, you just said that there will certainly not be a black detachment of literary scholars. of course, there will not be, and uh, but i thought that the problem is a deeper problem and that many people have, yes, our compatriots, this cultural framework is cultural, the field in which they grew up, this is exactly what it was built for. how is this book of the world

's best lyrics, which you talked about? yes, mostly people have all their emotional experience, yes er, it is really based on russian literature, as you rightly said, there he was educated in love, er, to virvinshchikov’s music, they hung out at the university, and my mother was young under that, that is, everything within the framework of russian culture, ukrainian culture, well, about world culture. i don’t i say, but let's say they don't know ukrainian culture, so they know mat voznesensk . russian i'm afraid that er the generation that grew up with such certain components of conscious biographical uh, it

will probably be left alone with these experiences of its own, obviously, i say again, this is a democratic country, no one will force them to give up some of these things that were dear to them if uh they are not ready to reassess it, but we are talking about public space, we are talking about reevaluation within public space, we are talking about reevaluation in schools, uh, this generation in schools is simply with different value orientations and looking at let's say byron again, and uh, looking at byron and pushkin, they won't uh think that pushkin is better, this is wrong, this is a complex installed through the school. in fact, worldview

changes are a possibility of such deep worldview changes are possible only through the education system through the system of school education of higher education well, of course , the same is true through the sunday space, but the action there will be selective, because again, this is not some kind of mass propaganda for a totalitarian society . rid it of these imbalances, and then in some time a generation will appear that will not have these e-e posts of these complexes and will look at the world with different eyes with a free view. thank you, and look, i have one more thing . to ask you, i'll start with a story about the fact that through gogol, the investigation communicates with us. is there such a story ? i don't know, maybe you saw this photo

on facebook. taras bulba is the words of taras that he says to his son andrii well, my son, your fools helped you , if you google it, kill these words in google, you will immediately find a bunch of russian sites and publications where russians are now especially using this gogol catchphrase, these are the big-state anti-polish speeches of taras the potato is anti-western from your side actually supporting the autocracy his willingness as he once wrote in your chest circles a-a what do you think about it or we eh or we or should we assign him to consider him ukrainian a writer, and this is gogol

, who became absolutely hysterical if he was directly asked, uh, who he loves more, scattering ukraine, he simply had a tantrum, he didn't want to make this choice , but he also in no case did he want to give up his ukrainianness, he didn't want to give up from our ukrainianness, we understand that there are two editions of the route with the bulb. and here, most of these speeches and the e heel mean loyalty to russia, this is all the second edition, which was redone a few years later, because he was offered to publish it this was a condition for the publication of his collection of works. yes. and then he reworked taras soborna in the early edition. in the early edition, everything is completely different, and there, the issue is not emphasized. the edition is not imperial. now , what to do with gogol? they do with literary texts

not only gogol but also other literary texts and not only russian or ukrainian but european ones they use as they like maria zahharova recently urven 84 totalitarianism that is now in europe there in the states and so on it is theirs problems, you understand that if the system of lies is sufficiently developed, it can make anyone of anyone anything, that is, what they do with gogol and the question on their conscience is what we can do with gogol. and we can read gogol those things that he first of all, what he wrote on ukrainian material is a powerful ukrainian current and of course it is necessary to study it as part of ukrainian literature, of course with an adjustment for the

situation, so that is, we understand that in ancient ukrainian literature, many people wrote in latin many people wrote e tam in japanese like that but nevertheless , we also associate these writers with our lady literature with those texts which, by the way, are so propagandist gogol, especially russian gogol scholars define him as the best of his late texts, there are avenues to wear an overcoat souls here is a question. for example, i don't see a big problem if they don't mention the dead at school. well, what do we care about your soul, and they tell us about how rotten the system of russian society is, and this let the russians read. that is, they will need to know about it. nothing has changed. it seems that during the volvo times, gogol simply wrote several

very good texts on ukrainian literature. well , here on the ukrainian material, therefore, they relate directly to ukrainian literature. in parallel, he did something else to russian literature, the same with marko. vovchok marko vovchok wrote folk tales of ukraine in the ukrainian language - they are wonderful, these are wonderful texts, we must study them, we are learning russian-language novels by marko vovchko she had them she managed to write uh prose and uh, because before that , no one wrote women on such a scale in russia, that is, she wrote ukrainian women's prose in our country, she made it so postal, uh, by the way , she mentions them almost at the same time from bichersky folk tales, and then she went and wrote more russian prose. well, that's a completely different issue. we don't study these texts at school, and they don't belong. well, only literary experts know them. i think there should be

a similar situation with gogol. above all they have us to be interested in those texts that were made on ukrainian material and here gogol is very ukrainian, what he writes in russian well, that's his choice, it's an unfortunate choice, but we understand that many people feel different and still speak russian, this is of course a certain contradiction but nevertheless, we understand that there is such a reality, there are absolutely only ukrainian patriots who still speak russian, and i say that he was definitely a ukrainian patriot, unlike the release, for example, who tried to convince him that everything is a little different thank you, um, we, our time is up, unfortunately , we ourselves chose such a short conversation format

. thank you for the conversation. rostyslav semkiv, a literary critic and writer, was today a guest of the first program of online programs, our own names, we will see each other. with you next wednesday at 7:00 pm please stay with us and comment suggest topics we will definitely discuss them with very interesting and intelligent people

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