the media test how half a million ukrainian schoolchildren who left abroad will study and how they will preserve the ukrainian school in the uncontrolled territories, minister of education and science serhii shkarlet told in an interview with andriy stasyuk mr. serhiy thank you for agreeing to talk with us and i would like to start an e- the very first question in general is about the war, the full-scale russian invasion has been going on for almost four months now, can you please tell us how it affected the field of education, if the war really affected all areas, then and it probably influenced education today almost the most, because today we have 1,793 objects damaged, 208 of them completely destroyed considering that, above all, the war affected the

possibility of introducing the educational process and this is the most important task of the ministry of education and all educators and that that the impact before this covid was e-e which affected the self-organization of the educational process, it was impossible to introduce face-to-face education for some time, loss of socialization, e, loss of possible communication, student-teacher, loss of quality of education, e, yes covid taught us some tools and means to reduce the risks of losing the quality of education. i think the war affected the psychological state of every student and teacher the most, because today 651,000 children are out of school, that is, of school age, are out of the customs borders of ukraine, 79,000 internally resettled today, who also changed their place

of residence, changed in general well, the usual living conditions are in the school, which are under occupation in our country, 1174 schools are under occupation, but still the educators resisted, since the 24th, we declared forced vacation for 2 weeks, but already on march 14, the ministry of education and science distributed its letter of recommendation, and almost 12,800 schools started training, so in a mixed mode, there were regions in which it was not possible to organize educational processes at all, more than all the front-line ones in the front-line region, even in the occupied, in the occupied, in the occupied territories , we still introduced the educational process for today. through institutions to receive certificates of completion of

nine grades or 11 we had a big challenge regarding the organization of the admissions campaign, because the security conditions, because the conditions that the war and the aggressor created today for everyone, for all of us ukrainians , one way or another, they still happened on and on educators, too, and that is why the introduction was in that context, we clearly understood that it was impossible in the format of the external examination, which took place in peacetime, even in covid , together with the committee of the verkhovna rada, together with the people's deputies. regarding the organization of admission through an analogue of the zno national multi-subject test, that is why today we have restrained optimism regarding the development of education, educators, i am proud of all my educators, they did not manage the garbage even in the occupied territories , they persisted in implementing the educational process according to ukrainian standards, in more detail regarding

the temporarily occupied territories, how is the educational process going there er, how can the ministry in general adjust and influence educational processes over the temporarily occupied territories, er, there is quite a small percentage of those who agreed to work with the occupiers, but it is, well, if you take kherson, for example, then out of 60 schools, only two there agreed to work with the invaders . cannot affect the educational process in the occupied territories, but we can provide an alternative for today, well , alternatives, again, again, this is training using online technology, for this we have absolutely all the platforms and we have absolutely all the content we have 14 of our private partners e-e hmm online

schools that are licensed and can issue documents about education precisely in connection with partners, we in the occupied territories can implement the e-e educational process according to ukrainian standards today only online, but at the same time we give wide opportunities for the sake of diversification of this process in general, it can be an online school for online lessons, it can be and in general, distance learning using the all-ukrainian online school platform, it can be anchoring to one schools in the controlled territory that will teach online, but at the same time, this child from the currently uncontrolled territory can be enrolled in one of these classes, use the online e-e services of a teacher, have an individual educational trajectory, and at the same time, being in the e-e territory that is temporarily not under control and in general, how many schools agreed

to cooperate with the occupiers? and for example, there is already a russian program running there today, i know only isolated cases of individual individuals who agree to implement such an educational process en masse, there is no such phenomenon in the majority, the majority, the majority of circles still have intentions to continue the educational process according to ukrainian standards, and also about the destruction, how many in general? all students who study in these institutions or universities or higher education institutions where they are currently studying, so first of all, i already said the figure of 79,000 temporarily displaced persons who were forced sometimes even without documents sometimes what happened to leaving their place of permanent residence, moving to other regions , we have a full mechanism for the possibility of enrolling

any young ukrainian in another educational institution upon the application of one of the parents or upon the application of the guardian or, that is, any child of those schools that have suffered damage or destruction of these educational institutions not due to a lawsuit by the educational process , this is exactly the same applies to our children who are outside the territory of ukraine, such 651,000 and in countries well, i do not know any country that denied our ukrainian children from attending university lyceums for related specialties . we already started consultations today with the heads of the education and science departments of each oblast so that every child from the network of damaged and destroyed institutions is not left without an educational process. we

will know today where every child is today will be from september 1 and where she will continue her educational process, and regarding the multi-subject test, can you tell why exactly they decided to replace the external examination, which is easier precisely in comparing this test with the external one, what can we say about it? because it is based on those materials that were formed specifically for external examinations, what is fundamentally different about it is that it is one test instead of three disciplines, four disciplines, we make one complex multiple test, the history of ukraine, mathematics and the ukrainian language, it is made up of 20 tasks from each of the subjects and it is completed once for 120 minutes, it is written in case of an air alarm, there is an opportunity to take a break , go down to the storage room, then complete it it cannot be said that it is simpler, the tasks are the same but they are simply comprehensively designed, the clarifications are easier in terms of compilation, in terms of what is not needed for three days of stretching of course, i understand

that because of this, it is compiled once and we have one single comprehensive evaluation for everything well, first of all why did they do that because well, we can't ignore the rules of safety, in any case, we are sounding every day throughout the territory of ukraine, eh. the child has the right or the applicant has the right to choose the place where he will be tested, including abroad, there were 231,000 confirmed applications for the main session of the national cartoon subject test, of which 31,000 e-e were declared to be taken abroad in one of 23 countries of the world, 43 places 43 cities of seven cities around the world confirmed to us the possibility of conducting this national multiplex test and today we will have an additional session in the united states of america luxembourg e-e slovenia turkey confirmed this to us

already in the additional session, we will also write about children from the temporarily occupied territories, how they can take this test there for these children, for each of these children, for each of these graduates, we will fight, fight in such a way that we will provide a full opportunity, an equal opportunity to enter the ukrainian of education even from the temporarily occupied territories and not only from the temporarily occupied territories, namely children who were forcibly deported, including to the territory of the russian federation, such residents temporary entrants from the temporarily occupied territories also have the opportunity to take the national multiple test online and in the mode of an individual online interview or a creative competition and can use quota two , the so-called quota for free education as residents of the temporarily occupied territories,

it was about a month recently that's why a photo was published where you are with a weapon also next to you, e.p. maksym lutskyi, can you tell me in general how this photo was taken? why did you then take the weapon hmm interesting question. i already answered it. sonia koshkina. well, first of all, i can say that i came . the desire to sign up for the territorial defense and what about this photo, well , objectively, i didn't take it, when we were recording , uh, it was real. this photo was taken at the request of me. it seems to me that the head of this voluntary formation of the territorial defense, i didn't post it at all. i am not in the habit of exhibiting mine photo and what is there, well, who is there, not only mr. lutsky, i think there is a man 6 or 7, well,

of all the people, he is there. it’s just interesting, all the fields there, not only him, the fields of education, there are the same military people, but i left when exactly it was made because they were at the beginning of april, it seems to me at the beginning of april, that is, it was then that you came to enroll in the defense forces at the beginning. well, objectively, objectively, i could not before because there was a certain military protocol regarding the general activities of the cabinet of ministers, as soon as it became possible, i for the first time, day went and did it. yes, you are now in the ranks of the teroborona. i understand that it is a voluntary formation, of course. ugh, that is, you can be called up at any moment. well, that is how the state will decide, and also why exactly with mr. lutsky. we appeared there somewhere . well, in the field of education, what is your relationship with him, mr. lutskyi, the rector of the national separate university, what is my relationship

with him, you ask ? the world are located yesterday, for example, i was on the back of the rectors there, where there were physically present 46 tractors, others also need defense, they were recorded, yes , yesterday there was a meeting of the union of directors hmm, they were not recorded there, maybe someone was recorded later, i don’t know, and as far as i understand, there with weapons, that is, they issued you a weapon yes, i have my own hunting weapon. i have a large one . him as a director. and i don’t know about which building. perhaps you will ask mr. lutskyi . the ministry did not give any permits at all during my term of office for any building, that is, until it affects the possible decision of his possible resignation, where i understand me, or the resignation of mr.

lutskyi because you, as a minister, have the ability, i understand, to fire him, that is, as long as it does not affect what exactly it does not affect, does not affect his possible resignation, the decision in general well, the possibility of building on the same and go to the construction, you have the facts that a segment of the decision is a building permit the ministry did not publish, i do not know anything about it, about a month ago you were together with president volodymyr zelenskyi, and students from the kyiv-mohyla academy asked mr. president a question, in particular, about your plagiarism, and i quoted mr. president and then answered that many of us made mistakes before, we cannot amnesty treason, but big mistakes have become small, so you, as the minister in the field of education, do you think that plagiarism in general during

the war became somehow less significant, well done plagiarism, what during the war, what during peacetime, it is possible, this question should not be asked of me about my answers, i once again said and i always say that i have no psychiatry procedure , there is a court decision, there are confirmations of this, well, there is a court decision, in particular, what didn't take it couldn't detect your plagiarism, that is, not what it didn't detect, but what it couldn't detect, well, that's what the conversation can be about , well, but still, it wasn't plagiarism, that is , i don't know the court's decision, well, it's not about because the decision to detect plagiarism is possible it should also be established either by the court or by the body that was supposed to do it, it was supposed to be done by the exclusive commission on academic integrity, which, according to the 40th article of the tourist and the 42nd article of the law on higher education , acted then and did not show any

influence. about certain decisions of any experts ivannyh yes divani troops did not suffer any losses e and e today no one is forbidden to write any information including any accusation everything else e-e how do you see the field of education after our victory at all first of all, there are two new restrictions - this is war resources, but the war provides certain opportunities to rebuild the sphere of education in accordance with our european aspirations, if we have written in the constitution ukraine's aspirations to be a european state, then in this context, education should be based on european norms, on the norms of international law, on the norms of e-e, on the norms and standards of the european to the union, by the way, margarita skhidnous, who was the vice-president of the european commission

at the meeting where they were, hmm, i had a meeting with him at the same time as the minister of culture mr. oleksandr tkachenko and the minister of youth and sports of the european union, mr. vadim husayev, the vice president of the european commission, just confirmed that education and science today have the greatest chances of fulfilling all the conditions of the european union. are there any plans to reorganize there? it is possible to remove the russian language and some works of russian writers, poets and the like. well, of course, today was any, any - some mentions of russian, of the russian language, of the works of russian writers are quite irritating for ukrainian society. therefore, already in april , several working groups of professional writers, all of whom today justly evaluate the fullness of the program and the presence of certain works by russian publishers and writers, so

i think that on september 1 we will have a little changed, well, that is, completely well, we are already talking about exactly which works can be excluded from the program, let's do it let's leave the professional as the one who elected because, well , objectively, i have to say there are several specialists of various kinds, you understood this . thank you very much, mr. serhiy, for the warm-up. unconquered cities of ukraine. dnipro, the space capital of ukraine with the longest embankment in europe and the shortest subway appeared on the site of cossack wintering camps and freedoms during the years of the hitler occupation, from 17 to 21,000 jews were all shot in the dnipro after the expulsion of the

nazis, it remained under the attack of enemy aircraft, but did not stop working for victory, as it does not stop and is now the first to meet those who are fleeing from the war and, despite everything, reliably keep their rear on the dnipro just space and dnipro unconquered ukrainian soldiers defend the country now you are side by side with the occupiers

operatives are looking for saboteurs collaborators and crimes, we have a statute of limitations on collaborators and war criminals , report them at 044 327:07 together we will win, they didn't want russian passports they only live in ukraine, their ukraine! they gathered to get bored, they drove mentally it was already impossible to stay there, he stopped, and here she screams into the phone, and oh, they caught me again, the connection with them was interrupted. take and shoot, just

live broadcast of the car, they shot, look, summer cars, we will overcome, we will move, we will win, and shield news, together we are strong, the marathon continues in a single the news continues. on the topic of international politics , a special representative for african affairs will appear in ukraine, president volodymyr zelenskyi said this in an address to the african union. of joint actions by oleg rybachuk e p oleg i congratulate you on the air of the marathon so here is this new position, the new position of the special representative not in

african affairs, why exactly during the war such a position is being introduced. and i want to immediately find out what is the legal status and what are the powers of this representative. he will be an advisor, a consultant, a coordinator, what will this person be able to influence . the african continent , you must have followed the news. you saw that the organization of the countries of the african union, the head of this organization was in moscow , they raised the issue of the food crisis and in within the framework of the united nations, only they somehow strangely formulated the problem, that is, they did not

talk about the first cause of this crisis, but they called on ukraine to do everything possible so that the grain, on which the food situation in africa largely depends, so that this grain somehow it got out of the borders of ukraine, it got out of the ports blocked by russia, and it was obvious that russia worked well with african countries and that the russian narrative, as it is now customary to say, dominates from the mouths of the leaders and the african union and on it was necessary to respond because we correctly say that we won the information war in russia on the european continent among developed countries. but we have big problems in the so-called third world countries according to soviet terminology, and it is obvious that we need to respond to this because

when they always turn to ukraine to unblock the ports and export the grain, it sounds very strange, because in fact it is all russia's fault, russia also blocked russia, and russia is trying to convince the world, including african countries, what the sanctions are against russia, we are a well-thought-out policy of the west against russia and ukraine, which is simply my brand in the hands of the west, and all these players stopped the food supply, and this is the reaction of the ukrainian government of the ukrainian president, but obviously it is not only about the supply of grain, as for me, africa could us to help and win this war because in africa there are countries with very different degrees of development. well, let's say there are south africa and uh equatorial countries -

this is a completely different level, don't you think that the introduction of this position will help us somehow to receive help and from there, it is obvious that ukrainian diplomacy has worked very powerfully in countries with developed democracies and we are fully trusted here. they are the leaders . they call them friends, well, with almost all a-a developed european countries and the united states of canada, but we, uh, obviously have problems with improving relations improvement understanding and as you rightly noted the possible support in the civilizational war with russia not only on the african continent, but india, where

i worked for five years, is the largest democracy in the world, which is now just slipping, it is very difficult to understand the position of democratic india when it comes to autocracy and er democracy, it is obvious that there is a need to improve cooperation in general on the asian continent among the arab countries, that is, this war is such a civilizational war. it simply showed er opportunities to strengthen er ukraine's understanding of the problems of those countries and those countries' understanding of the threats ukraine faces, and that's why our diplomacy is now simply selecting, so to speak, and concentrating its attention on countries that can significantly expand the club of friends of ukraine conditionally you are right in saying that africa , including africa, is a very rich continent,

rich in resources, there is a strong position of china, it is necessary to speak immediately there is a strong position of russia there, the wagnerites are entering the countries where, where, where the authoritarians are trying through military coups to come to authorities and russia are everywhere, wherever there is an opportunity to support evil, russia is there, china is playing with african countries with radical muslim movements, this is a very complicated continent, and it is obvious that we need to work with not only neighboring european countries, but we need it everywhere the world learn to build and build such mutually beneficial contacts, yes, i can’t disagree with you, in particular, you mentioned india, i took part in an indian talk show online and there are russian narratives, they are just full of them and they invite russian propagandists to participate, of course , during the war, it is absolutely outrageous, and again,

to level these russian narratives. i agree with you that such posts should be created, and agree or not. that without waiting until they crawl through all the holes in russian narratives, you can already create a special exhibitor to the countries of latin america, because you can get help from there too, and quite a lot of it. thank you, oleg oleg rybachuk live on our air, the head of the analytical advocacy organization, the center for joint actions. well, what follows is a pleasant and in-depth conversation on cultural topics. georgian singer nino katamad gave her last interview in russian. she will only do it in ukrainian or georgian next, she informed about this during the press briefing at

ukraine media centers in lviv, before the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, she planned a tour of russian cities because they believed that it was necessary to talk to drunk people. why did she change her mind with the first explosions on february 24, she told in an exclusive interview with my colleague ani cherednychenko that now more than ever, the support of friends is important for ukraine, which means that friends are the whole civilized world and together with our friends we are fighting against the evil that russia is sowing, we are fighting on all fronts, in particular on creative fronts, and here about this well, not only will we talk with the georgian jazz singer, composer and great friend of the country, katamadze, nino, first of all, i am very grateful for the fact that you came to ukraine, for supporting us so much please tell me with what emotions you went to ukraine and what do you feel now when

you came here for the first time after the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine. i am also very, very glad to come to my beloved ukraine and i promise to learn ukrainian i promise to teach i will teach ukrainian language to a-a next time we spoke in ukrainian every time you arrive it's something you land and you understand that you're already on the land of ukraine i felt very calm because there was something else that i felt like home i came here because it starts with the assembly of the plane and ends with every city, which is like meeting with my beloved ukrainians, and there is some joy