no one will support him and we can dream of him, he is very afraid of it, logically, absolutely thank you, mr. oleksandr oleksandr azarovych, the head of the department of the boss of the ministry of internal affairs of belarus, the founder of the bipol initiative, he was in touch with us. thank you very much, and kira rudyk, people's deputy of ukraine, party chairman, the voice is added to our studio, to our conversation, to the heroes, glory to the panickers. thank you for joining our broadcast. of the political party, the opposition platform for life, and the court session was held in closed session, and the funds and other assets of this party are owned by the court. the court decided to transfer the property to the state. this was reported in the ministry of justice, and the representatives of the opposition party

now have 20 days to appeal the decision to the supreme court. well it is actually very interesting to watch how the pro-russian opposition party ceases its activity in ukraine, just as it once seemed to me that the party of regions , this progenitor of this political force, ceased its activity, and at the same time we we are watching how it begins its political life. another political force, the platform for life and peace , is formed by all former mps of the ukrainian communist party, which now votes even for the istanbul convention . for life and peace gave 15 votes in favor, while, for example, 10 european solidarity votes - 9 votes well, the platform for life and peace 15 so what is next in your opinion with pro-russian political

by the forces in ukraine and their satellites, who now, as we can see, speak on the side of european initiatives, e-e company. i would say that i am very happy that we now have a party in the parliament that stands not only for european values, but also for liberal values ​​e- for which the ukrainian professional society itself has been fighting for the last 10 years, verification from the istanbul convention is a very important step, it is a marker, it is a sign that we are not afraid to be part of the european society, which will help us fight with domestic seeds, but will demand and help us to make sure that rights and opportunities are equal not only on paper and not only in the words of a and b in reality and for all of us it was of course a very

important emotional step and i am very glad that yesterday we strived to do now regarding umm platform for life and peace, you know my colleague in the parliament and i once even argued that after the operational platform - this life will fall apart in novo well, the name will definitely be called peace and i won this style because that we know what pro-russian forces very often hide behind the words peace, unity, etc., and there is only one question here, and this question is not for you and us, but for the ukrainian people, have we now learned this lesson , or have we finally received a vaccination, you know, like a booster dose after covid or this booster dose will be enough so that in the next elections, whenever they are, the pro-russian forces will not receive support, whatever they are called, because we

remember that in the pdj and in the opposition bloc, they normally got into the parliament after the beginning wars and no superstitions , their voters did not have any questions about who these parties represent and what values ​​they have , because what can we do now, well, first of all, we can, first of all, from our side as the parliament, we have already done everything, we voted for the bills which became laws and after this vote, the lviv court of appeal, in which we entrusted such an important function as the closure of pro-russian political parties, actually works on the part of the judiciary also very well and very quickly. how the political arena will look like and what kind of support or not support there will be from the pro-russian forces or er deformed pro-russian forces regarding i

still want to return to the very important for us issue of the istanbul convention voting er of such forces in the council, well, it is absolutely obvious that now they will vote in unison with the government for virtually any initiative because for them it is a matter of survival. and why, by the way, did only half of your political power vote for ratification, that's why i'm really sincerely asking about it that there are a number of uh, well, for example, uh, caution, which , among other things, are emphasized by politicians that seem important to them, what kind of discussion was going on in your faction, please share, we really had a very tense discussion and it started not now, but two years ago when the first steps were taken , the istanbul convention had to go to the hall and then there was no unity in the parliament either, there were a lot of discussions, it is no secret that the biggest opponents of the istanbul convention now were the council

of churches and uh, um, each representative of the church community who saw a threat to traditional values ​​in the adoption of this convention . they have the right to do so. i have counter-arguments that in every country and the istanbul convention has been ratified, there is no threat to family values . moreover, yesterday we ratified it with the following conditions of the president about the fact that the istanbul convention will in no way affect how these children were raised and how families are formed in ukraine and something, the tambur convention does not violate any rights in the constitution. croatia, which is also a country with strong traditional values ​​and a traditional society, followed this path with caution in its time, and it actually turned out that the european union has nothing against the fact that, well, in fact, those countries that

join the istanbul convention, as ukraine has done now, emphasized that first of all will still rely on the constitution and the family code, that is, on the national legislation. yes, it is precisely the presence of these conditions of these restrictions that was decisive in order to obtain a majority parliament to vote for this convention, however , the position of the churches was also very strong and remains strong and unchanged. i think that at this moment we leave such a discussion of arguments and go into emotion into fears or into the possibilities and impossibility of understanding the point of view of one and that's why we had free voting in our faction, to our great regret, a large part was absent from the meetings of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, and we have at least two

people serving in the armed forces of ukraine, that's why we have there were er 13 people in the hall, of which 10 voted for er, in your opinion, i don't know for sure. well, i have to mention everything, but the adviser yermak arestovych also commented somehow on this story with the convention and er. many people there stretched er such a manifestation of homophobia in his words when he said that these are people with deviations, eh. having in mind the lgbt community, and they would sound again, in principle, they do not stop for such a chorus of voices, which seems to me only and now the kyiv-pride movement is a public organization demanding the dismissal of a freelance adviser the head of the president's office after his statements about lgbt propaganda well, in fact, the statements seem extremely untimely considering the fact that right

now, this week, the european council of europe will make a decision on ukraine's obtaining the status of a candidate for the european union. yes, but in the end, the main thing is still it is in the ukrainian parliament and this deputy of ukraine and the office of the president, he will be able to say whatever he wants for a long time, growing and increasing the number of subscribers on youtube, or will one day be told enough is enough you can already float freely and collect monetization on youtube. it seems to me that my personal opinion is that mr. arestovych is now such a lightning rod for our government that he can and does speak his opinion that worries different people. every day he affects different layers of our population and creates different, er,

different new emotions, so i think that as soon as his role ceases to be so important as a lightning rod for our government, er, he will be told to stop doing it. what is he doing, but now this role is extremely important, well, first of all, because in er, essentially he is says a lot of things that our parents cannot say. and secondly, he often diverts attention from uh-uh, some crisis of crisis moments that are happening in ukraine, with such statements and such steps, he attacks activists, he attacks khm someone else eh and eh, of course society is agitated and in the same way does not concentrate on work eh on some issues that are now eh painful and important , starting with the exchange of hostages and ending with some eh concrete steps, we are now our army from our victories to defeats, that's why you know here, i want

to say that when our international partners ask me what it is, i tell everyone at once friends, please judge us by our deeds and not by our words ukraine is a young democracy and we have there is a plurality of opinions , of course ukraine is also a very conservative country and that is why we have the adoption of the istanbul convention and it is such a huge step forward and i ask you to give our society time to adapt to what we want to be part of the european union, and therefore we must take into account all values, we must take into account all opinions and we must take into account the fact that we live in a world where all people are different and cannot be discriminated against because they are different well, let's talk about an important decision of the verkhovna rada from june 19, namely about the draft laws on the banning of

russian music and books, and these draft laws are generally related to information security during the war, mrs. kiru, i would like to hear your opinion on what is changing from now on and how exactly it is we are now being helped in the war with the aggressor e.e. on the 19th, we adopted not only this bill but a package of cultural bills aimed at supporting the ukrainian book producer, supporting the ukrainian producer of any cultural content and banning and limiting the import of e-e ukrainian russian and belarusian content of this kind, that is, the quotas for ukrainian-language content on radio and television are increasing, it seems to be increasing up to 80 percent of the quotas for music content in the ukrainian language. we have unprecedented tax support for

book publishing, both audiobooks and printed books in ukrainian, so we say that we want to minimize the influence of russian and belarusian cultural content on ukraine and ukrainians as much as possible, and the support in the hall was also the constitutional majority of these bills by the way, i don't know how the faction of the life and peace platform voted, but i think that they also supported such a decision, it is important because it is the first place where there is much-needed support now is the time of war specifically for ukrainian-language content, but it is still giving signals, this is the state policy in the direction of culture so that there is a bill on the cultural fund, which is basically just kept as a project, unfortunately, we currently have no funding, and that is why we were joking on our part as

deputies that the draft law on the cultural fund is called, you didn't have any money, you are holding on, we are now engaged in the search for a grant a that would allow us to resume the work of the ukrainian cultural fund and its projects, uh, if not from the state budget, then then with grant money in order for this process to continue, there is another question that we constantly ask, how will it be, or, of course, by a party that is also an interested party, i mean we as journalists and we as journalists are the espresso tv channels, which was uh without any for legal reasons, it is simply turned off from e-e digital broadcasting, this is the question of the existence and functioning of the telethon of the national a, which united the state tv channels and the tv channels of the oligarchic group.

the inner kitchen was actually stolen by the journalists of ukrainian pravda who did their investigation and we understand that in fact he is supervised personally there er, well, this is not news, it is a coat hanger, and nevertheless it is, we refer to the authority, personally managed in particular and er and completely by the president and minister oleksandr tkachenko and so on. and many more people who are top managers of these channels, who accordingly represent the interests of their owners, and this is the air, too. and this is also pinchuk, this is also akhmetov. i say, very correctly, i asked the question at the end of this investigation, uh, whether this will actually end the creation of such a thing, well, that is, they tell us about the fact that we are fighting for the values ​​of the values ​​of freedom and the values ​​of democracy, but what we see now we see now actually -a-a

very serious restriction of freedom of speech and we see a very dangerous symbiosis in the power structure and oligarchic structures of the media. why do you think about this ? the closure of three pro-ukrainian channels is extremely painful for me. i speak about this very loudly not only inside the country but also with our international partners because we cannot at the same time fight only for some exclusive european values ​​and fight for all the others we cannot. freedom of speech is a basic democratic value and the free work of journalists, and the same rules for everyone are also basic democratic values. therefore, it is now in a temporary

martial law when three channels are the fifth direct test the press of e-e show and express absolutely the ukrainian point of view of their closure, which is still done a little secretly and until now it is not possible to understand who exactly why exactly according to which decision did it and in the end who should make a decision in order to restore e-e er broadcasting on er on digital television is of course a violation of what we are fighting for in principle, you know in the list of points on the candidacy there is already the seventh point regarding the law on media and on equal access of the regulator, it is you know, so small a signal from our european partners that they see everything, understand everything, and that the authorities will have to correct what they are doing now, you know

, i recently elected a vice-president of the alliance of liberals and democrats of europe, it was the second day in dublin, the second day after petro oleksiyovych was not released from the country was not released from the country and you can imagine that on this day when everything was supposed to be only about ukraine, only about helping ukraine, only about the fact that we, er, should act as a united front, only about the fact that we have what is happening is that we all united against russia, by the way, there were servants of the people who became members of this alliance, so all the questions that people had were kira. and how did you leave, don, because i, because we already i heard that you do not release positional deputies, do you understand such steps as well as the closing of channels, they harm us as a country, our european integration, our image, uh, much more than anything else, because we stand so

beautiful in white, a democratic country that is struggling for european values ​​and to give someone an opportunity to doubt that our intentions are just and right, that we really have a democracy, well, it's just a crime and it's a crime against the achievements that we can now get as a country, we are now , in fact, using our chance, which is unknown when will it be so bright in our country because it has to happen now and it is possible to support only some specific european values ​​it is either a european or not and that is why i am absolutely sure that the majority of ukrainians aspire to be europeans and that is why we as politicians must fulfill their will and despite our own ambitions to make sure that all the requirements that were made to us regarding the application were fulfilled, that any

violations that were possibly made emotionally or mistakenly within the country were corrected and that we could move with a clean heart, he says, is this how we work we, how was it, propagating what you prophesy in such a way that we respond to what we ourselves talk about. good , thank you very much . borys zakharov is the director of the charity fund man and law, a human rights defender joins our broadcast. we congratulate mr. boris. good day. mr. borysovych has already nominated a candidate for the position of verkhovna rada authority on human rights. he is a non-partisan people's deputy dmytro lubinets . to the occupation and integration of reintegration, that is, he is

a person from the specialized committee. here is what i would like to ask in this regard. of the human rights commissioner of the verkhovna rada, there are at least two criteria for a candidate - that is, the candidate must have such a baggage of protective activities behind him, and secondly, he must be of high moral character. i don't know how to actually measure it, it's written in the law, i don't know how to measure it well, for myself, i interpret this as the fact that a person should have at least an impeccable reputation and should not be a moral authority, an authoritative person who will be listened to if actually what in fact i have a question as to how much it is now what we can say about dmytro lubinets precisely in this context, i would also allow myself to remind you that i

actually remember him as a figure in at least two scandals, one was canceled smuggling, the second related to accusations of his involvement in a raider attack on a manufacturer of food industry enterprises, you know me i ca n't say anything here because i don't remember these scandals yet, i can say that as the head of the human rights committee he proved himself well and he cooperated with human rights organizations successfully and sought many things as the head of the committee from the executive power and in particular investigations of abuses in the system of execution of punishments and so on and i would say that among all those who were called in principle bezugly and so on and

he is the best representative he is not a representative of the monomajority and well, usually the government tries to pass the tests under its control, as it were, these positions and so on, here we see that this has nothing to do with denisova, because it was illegal to be with the fact that the previous authorized day was violated the constitution was absolutely a violation of the paris principles, so i am generally sad to discuss any candidates in principle, whether there is a legal procedure for appointing it, in principle, but it is not quite the law, although there were problems with the appointment of denisova to a position with a vote. that it was clearly

a political decision, if there was a political way of making the decision and they were always on the spot, if and with the representative of the verkhovna rada of human affairs, maybe it would be easier if we were not appointed politicians uh, but still really human rights defenders , all the more. those who are respected and such attempts were at least ms. denis denisova, they were just very worthy, in my opinion. but he is a lawyer, a practicing lawyer, he was also a good candidate

. lodkovska was actually removed from office. i approve of the activities of glydkovskii and the activities of denisova. the prosecutor of the international criminal court, in addition to akhan, who was in ukraine the other day, and this is not his first visit since the decision was announced on march 2 that the office of the prosecutor of the international criminal court begins collecting evidence on the most serious international crimes committed during the full-scale invasion of the russians in ukraine in april, in addition to khan, he came to the liberated kyiv region, in particular to buch. well, this time he visited kharkiv and let's try to figure out what the work of the international

of the criminal court in ukraine what is happening with the coordinated work of the icc investigators with the investigating ukrainian prosecutors as well as with human rights defenders and what is next with this whole process ? it is important and whether it will be possible to really bring the matter to such an end as we would see it before a full-fledged trial of russian war criminals. i have no doubt that this will happen and here there is a synergy full synergy and the european countries of the european countries that send their investigative teams to investigate crimes, international crimes, war crimes

, crimes against humanity and it is quite possible that the qualification for the crime and the icc has full jurisdiction to investigate these crimes and e- our investigator, the investigators of the security services of ukraine and the police, the general prosecutor's office also works in synergy with human rights defenders and the international criminal court and investigators of other countries, that is, journalists, by the way also, that is, there is a certain synergy between civil society and international bodies, and the ukrainian and the ukrainian state, the only thing that the ukrainian state is not finalizing in terms of legislation in this sense is

that the unratified rome statute makes ukraine an object and not a subject of such an investigation and the court, well, we hope that the istanbul convention has been adopted now and the rome statute will be ratified at least well, it seems to me that there are now all the possibilities and positive grounds for this there are a lot of objections here, there are serious arguments about the fact that we also have to hand over our military personnel who may be suspected of committing war crimes. it is not only that. well, it is one-sided that one side is always in the word war crimes, there are crimes of aggression and war crimes. things, crimes

of aggression, uh, we can only try the crime of chalk aggression separately, already directly by the tribunal, because because of the fact that neither the russians, ukraine, did not ratify the institution, that is, the crime of aggression is not a trial, war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime financial aid, that is, they will not walk away from responsibility if, for example, our military has done something there, then they will also be held accountable , and if we ratify one institution, then we must submit them if they have carried out their effective work , that is why many countries, such as the usa, israel, for example , avoid the fact that to join the

sports court, but for our case, for the case of ukraine, what solution would be optimal according to human rights defenders and you personally, mr. borisov, according to human rights defenders, the optimal solution was revalidate the rome statute here thank you , we figured it out, thank you boris zakharov for the electricity of the charity fund, a person and a human rights defender was in touch with us. i will only add that in parallel with the international criminal court, a un commission created to investigate the crimes of the russian federation during the invasion works in ukraine. in fact, whole investigative groups are also working separately in different countries, friends and partners of ukraine, who are now receiving waves of forced migrants from ukraine, women, children, who have also been abused by on the part of the russian army, thank you and we hope that it will be possible to combine everything into one case, which will eventually be considered in the international criminal court