and what is required of us, in your opinion , how long can it last for months and years, well, i don’t want to fight for tens of years, but you know, i can’t even predict because there are two key factors here, the first is an ongoing war and it can be the government to explain some delay precisely because the war is going on, but there are still issues there, there are some that, in principle, have been long overdue for a solution and can be solved right now, so i didn’t find any such issues, actually. i needed mm well, some conditions that are completely calm, that is, in principle, even during martial law, everything is there, everything that is written there can be fulfilled , so the first assessment is planned for the end of the year by the european yuzu well, i don't think it will be. everything

is as optimistic as we are i would like to because, first of all, in this version, which was passed , ukrainian society is interested, it is more difficult for the ukrainian authorities . there will be some nuances plus it is not clear to me , well, some points are spelled out according to the laws there, for example, according to the ownership of audiovisual and others, comedy, which is not very clear to me, what will be required of us there, because we have, in principle, advanced quite far in this regard, so i i think it is realistic to talk about the fact that if there is political will, then all this can be done by the end of the year, well, at least there until the next summit of the european council, well, god forbid, god forbid, let's

go back to last week. we were visited by four leaders of european countries, well , attention was especially focused on three: the chancellor of germany, olafsholtz, the president of france, emmanuel macron and mario draghi, the prime minister of italy . well, they were already called the trinity in different ways let's not talk about how important it is. and the most important thing was the visit of these three leaders, because i will honestly tell you and our viewers what i personally thought, but such a comparison appeared to me, those who still remember -e in the feature film diamantova ruka meni they surrendered to these three main characters who at the end of the film stood holding hands and they joined hands and they attacked them a car was driving and they were afraid to miss this car, i.e. what did they say in ukraine about the fact that we want ukraine to prosper, we must condemn everything, we will do there, give weapons we will do

everything so that ukraine wins the war with russia, we will leave and make some slightly different statements, in your opinion, how useful and important was this cart, i will tell you honestly, i was not very happy with the visit of such a format of 3-4, which is not with the president romania joined, of course, from the point of view of moldova, which will also receive candidate status, it would be very important for us to understand bilaterally, that is , what we have from germany, that is, how the statement of the german chancellor on the provision of weapons is implemented, that is, to discuss all these issues separately with the president at the table macron of france. he had been going for a long time. it is not about the candidate status that we want to see

ukraine as a member of the european union. that is, well, in principle, such visits are collective, they rather involve many statements, because you are unlikely to be able to discuss everything bilaterally at some point, although it is a pity that there is such a very intensive bilateral janda maybe the conversation did not take place as we would have liked, so the expectations were somewhat wary, the result turned out to be more optimistic than we thought. at least from the point of view of declaring a public position, it is clear that these positions sounded mainly for their citizens, who now more decisively support ukraine and the provision of more armed leaders. well, also for the parliaments of these countries. that is, it is obvious that these were more political statements. therefore, it will be necessary to look very carefully at their implementation. the french president said about additional howitzers caesar like well, let's see,

i hope it will finally come true, i hope it will finally come true, the promise of chancellor shulets, which is already a long time ago, to start providing ukraine with heavy weapons, but in general, what you said is that we held hands and well i would say in a different way that the important countries of the european union developed such a joint position, and really now let's say the anglo-saxon continental rivalry, it is somewhere in our favor, it somewhere came to this position that ukraine should be supported now so that it defeats russia, well, god, give god, look, you already said statements, statements, let's listen to chancellor scholz's statement, which he made immediately after his arrival from ukraine, let's first listen, then the questions, that's what they tell me , let's listen to it

after all, a little later, because something is not working in our technique. let me read it so that this mr. shol does not say when i talk to putin. i say the same things as you, please. understand that there will be no dictated peace. and if you think that you can steal the land and then hope that times are changing and that's all we have, please understand that there will be no dictated peace and if you think that you can steal the land and then hope that times are changing and everything will be as it was then you are wrong about the sanctions introduced against russia during the war will not disappear unless there is a fair peace, that is, a peace that is good for the people of ukraine, for the parliament, and acceptable to the president of ukraine. see, you said that you want the sholt to finally hand over some weapons to us, the sholt comes to ukraine, promises something, then returns

in germany expresses the opinion that he will continue to talk about ukraine should not agree to the peace dictated later, but he will still continue to talk to putin, so explain to me, is there any logic in this explain if there is, i won't, i don't see the logic. that is, this is just the first point of view from the point of view of ukraine , there is little logic in this. well, unless the ukrainian authorities would ask to be mediators. yes, they would be very happy. nato alone is the eu and there are some mediators there, everything is absolutely not suitable for us, it is not suitable because they are. it is clear what their interests are. we perfectly understand their interests, but what is the problem? the problem is that the executive power in germany also verbally expresses exactly what they have

demands the bundestag, the german parliament, the coalition is active, where not only the chancellor, but other parties, the people, and as a result, they do something else, i can say now . he would not twist it, it was a conscious position, a wrong position, which now he must immediately correct consciously , that is, if there is another order of some kind, well, let it be possible, there is some position of theirs, but i say again, we do not see such a position of the people of germany we do not see such a position of the bundestag, we do not see such a position in the ruling coalition, well, what is it? that is, this is an internal german issue. by the way, they should understand why their leader says one thing and in practice does another, and he also felt this

because he was threatened in general there is a further political fate and he was forced to actively deny all of this and say no, i and we do not help ukraine the most in the world, that is, that is not true today, so you know this, i am telling you frankly what is happening, that is why those the signals that sounded from germany in kyiv still give us the opportunity to say that this policy has ended and there will be absolutely adequate action and adequate statements, well, god forbid, mr. valery. please tell me. if we talk about defense in general, it will be almost four years from now months of war, the russian war in ukraine, is the west now afraid of russia or not, well, you know the word afraid. i think that many people in the west are not

afraid of russia, they really do not want war as such , it is clear, well, it is a natural thing. we also did not want to we want to, but we see how to make war impossible in a different way than the west. that is, we understand that against russia, you can only stop russia only by force , and the west. it is still possible that someone has some illusions, well, we were afraid of nuclear weapons, you can use such a word, and we were all afraid of these threats, but now already hmm i think that the answer is not public but given through the necessary channels. i think that now russia will not wave the blackmailer's club like before, that's why, in principle, how it sounds to them, they are afraid and want to avoid a direct confrontation

well, to be honest, i think that i am still in that position and now sooner or later they will not avoid this direct confrontation, unless they now push back this front of the struggle with russia, as it is on our eastern borders, they will give us not only dosed weapons, but massive weapons moreover, according to the nomenclature, including airplanes and tanks, the fact that they are there, as president macron said that there is an agreement not to give ukraine, i do not understand this line at all, and there are systems of volley fire and not to give tanks, not to give attack aircraft planes, well, this is some kind of strange position, what caused it, i don’t understand, so if they don’t do it, if they don’t strengthen this flank of the front, while we are ready to fight, i mean, people are ready to give their lives in the east of ukraine, then

they themselves will face a direct confrontation with russia is a dilemma for them and for the advisors of the leaders there, they are still. to be honest, they do not have such an opinion, and moreover, they somehow relaxed because they felt that they pushed this front further. you are already such a direct threat to the countries there is no nato and the eu, but one or another problems will appear. russia will not back down, so they need to understand everything. putin dreams of coming face-to-face with a nato country somewhere and win, or show the incapacity of nato and only russia. a russian attack on ukraine is possible. before this step , he was already almost ready for this, by the way, about this clash about which you said a possible clash between russia and nato countries, the newly appointed chief of the general staff of the armed forces of great britain said the day before yesterday that his country should have such

an army that can defeat the russian one. and in order to prepare for a new war on the territory of a nato country, it is necessary to prepare for a new war on the territory of europe. well, you see, preparations are already being made. serious statements, you can understand it, you can’t understand other leaders of other countries who still keep calling. calling putin over and over because you need to negotiate something with him, right? it is possible to agree on nothing, why are they saying this ? well, you ask me again because i, in my time , ukraine also tried in the 14th year to find some ways to talk with putin somewhere, well, if the basic goal is to achieve this destroy ukraine and kill ukrainians as a nation or

submit well, we don't want to submit, surrender, we want all this, well, the situation is deadlocked, our goals are fundamentally different, that is, to put it simply, we understand everything perfectly, either we them or they us. and in this situation, the conversations well this such a story, i already said that if in this conversation they led to the exchange of prisoners there were some kind of humanitarian corridors, then you can have such conversations, but why there for 100 hours, it’s like therapy for a dictation. apparently, this is probably an appeal, yes. now let’s talk about the united states of america, you know them you served the united states of america very well. biden's statement that putin needs to be stopped in ukraine so that he does not go further to europe. he said this a few days ago .

it seems that president biden did not say this to his internal audience because his internal audience is now concerned about the rise in prices for gasoline, a tractor product, so he tried to convince his european partners that children are somehow more active. what do you think can explain this? well, you know the motivation - that's right you and i can only comment on your version, it has the right to exist. and i perceived that on the contrary, he explains why for the internal audience, that is, for the text, that is, the taxpayer, why it is important exactly now in ukraine, the involvement of the americans means help and the supply of weapons, that is, it seemed to me that it was so. well , besides, he simply answers questions, that is, if journalists really feel the need now to explain certain points, they ask, and he answered honestly, and in

principle well, what else could be more than this signal, that is, if it is, for example, put into such an interpretation as yak said before that if putin is not stopped in ukraine, he will definitely go further, it is 100%. and it was finally understood in nato, understood in the united states, that is, it was not clearly understood before , this is the first moment and the second. he already said joseph biden about the fact that putin wanted to set as a goal the finnishization of nato, and he got, as he said, the tealization of finland, that is, in principle, this is their kind of absenteeism . opposition and in principle i still think that joseph biden is most likely responding to the public mood and the mood on the eve

of the elections in the united states, there will be so -called midterm but very serious elections in october, it is the house of representatives, the senate, a third and several dozen governors, in principle, it is now popular to support ukraine and provide weapons. well, you are right that this may not be the first issue that the voters there consider, but it is still in the top ten. now what was never before before the war of 2014 er, in principle, i look at it this way , where i would like to see the position in the usa in the white house, i will say something like this, it was formed entirely by joseph bombain because sometimes i see again the voices of some of his er advisers in the white house who are trying again there is a line somewhere which existed in them in the first days even after the 24th

of february. i really hoped that the line of the state department and the pentagon anthony forms on i-i was loaded on well and stamps or uh-eh in the command that unites the command of the headquarters, it was falling these people are now standing on this historical fact of the signing of the lend-lease. i understand that no, it is not , it is not in english. it is probably different, but here they are , you are showing them. if these people hold a key position in ukraine, everything will be fine. that is, you have in mind to be able to say yes hawks to hold a key position, yes, they are not hawks, well, they are not hawks, thank god there are. well, hawks are a different category of people, and we are talking about those realists. but those who, on the other hand, are realists, on the other hand, they they still

assess the situation in such a way that ukraine must win, that is, i see here the key decision for america in the competition with china in the future, and other people who do not see it that way at all, who do not see, say, in europe, in russia and ukraine some conflicts, well, the most important one the focus of attention of the united states, no wonder there are such ones, and theirs. it was formulated in this way a long time ago and that is why they also have access to the president of the united states, joseph biden. he also listens . he makes decisions from various sources, but once again i say that rosel biden often and gives answers frankly and leads a line that is formed, including, by his experience for many decades and knowledge of what the soviet union is and what russia is, he has absolutely his own knowledge of all of this and the only thing i

would like to say here and also here you know very much it would be important for the united states to demonstrate a strong position and joseph biden also constantly because, for example, when they withdrew their ships from the black sea right before the conflict and essentially gave the black sea to russia as a lake . play back and that's how all their nato ships withdrew, but they could have left and russia didn't behave like that. well, unfortunately, unfortunately, they behaved this way from the first days, and now they are gradually correcting themselves, so the usa is the leader in this usa coordinates rammstein in the usa, keeps the strength of the anti-putin coalition, that's why i'm so grateful to them for that. well, as always, we want to have even more. well, we're all grateful to them, well, obviously. i'm grateful to valery ivan for joining me today in the world

during wars and with their professional answers clarified the questions that are problematic for me and for our viewers. i will remind you. it was valery chalyi, a diplomat extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine. thank you, mr. valery. well, we are moving on. there are still 15 minutes to go, maybe a little more, and i already have they tell me about what is on the skype connection, my second guest is dmytro sheringovskyi, the vice-rector of the ukrainian catholic university for teaching , teaching and international activities, candidate of political sciences. i congratulate you, mr. dmytro. good day , a-a, glory to ukraine, look, let's start right away with rammstein iii e- е there were high hopes for this gathering е because considering the first two ramsteins, they expected something more from the third, or maybe a continuation of the first two, many people got the impression that it was not there was a continuation. and some even say that

it was even rammstein's inhibition, that was your opinion. well, we cannot claim that it was some kind of rammstein inhibition because there was no prior plan as to how everything was supposed to happen. this format is a meeting for synchronizing the efforts of our partners as within nato, there are too many regarding the supply of weapons, because there have been difficulties , yes, we can note that from our perspective, from the ukrainian side, of course, this military aid that was received is not enough. we today we understand very well that in order to turn the tide of hostilities, we need more heavy weapons, and accordingly, we addressed all the partners together and each one separately about this, but there are some countries here that are slowing down a little, but if you look at it from the point of view in view of the format itself and the agreements that we are

working out the mechanisms and the process is going like this, we have to state the process where no one refuses it, moreover, it is possible to just half agree on the joint supply of not only weapons, but also attachments to it, so here it is twofold situation with this rammstein and what do you mean by the process, the process is going on, the process is going on, the process of negotiations is going on, yes, that is, we do not have actual now , uh, as far as i know, at the moment of such situations, when it seems that certain types of weapons are used by countries, for example, by ours are there eastern european partners, yes? again, there are scandinavian countries and it happens by chance. so there are no cartridges for them, for example, or some other tools or elements. so this is just a matter of synchronization. that the deliveries arrive at the same time, that is,

that's all, this synchronization, this process, it continues , continues, continues on the fourth rammstein continues, and something, some kind of development must be true, well, i would not expect that there will be any too great development, but still, we must say that on a bilateral level the most that we will be able to get it at the bilateral level separately agreed there with the americans or separately we agreed with the poles or separately we agreed with the slovaks this is how they will go along this line the largest deliveries. but in general, this format exists only so that they are continuous , so no, most likely, there will not be such a situation, you know. well, perhaps many ukrainians expect that during some meeting of the next monthly to our list of the ones we want, we have already mentioned the poles , the slovaks, but a lot of weapons come from them, especially from the poles, a lot. can you get

this phenomenon? can you explain to me why these are small, well , not small, but somehow from eastern european countries ah, some kind of reckless people give us so much and willingly give only weapons, and those little countries a little to the west, they promise very often do not fulfill their promises or and they promise little at all, they promise, can you explain this phenomenon well , there are three factors, i would mention the first the factor is that none of them feel the closeness of the russian threat so uh if suddenly uh suddenly ukraine does not win and in such a state it is clear who will be next yes that is, it is a very big risk here uh the country itself typically i i mean the eastern european countries, the central and eastern european career py- accept yes, these risks are relative to the threats, the second factor is that, well, many of them are motivated in particular

by the poles, yes, they also do not like the kremlin's and putin's russia, so for them it is it is a matter of honor to a certain extent and we have heard it repeatedly in the statements of people and other politicians, well, from the third side, let's see, they give us equipment that, especially if we are talking about the eastern flank of nato, that is, about the central eastern european countries, which are modifications modified in the soviet with soviet weapons, instead, they were promised and they also receive modern weapons, even if you look at the same langlist, we have a document that has not yet been developed with specifics, yes, but we have a document on the bill itself, which was adopted and signed by biden, it is clearly there it is said that there is a part of the funds that should go to the

reinforcement of the eastern flank of nato, if you look at the package of the last american aid in this 40-billion-dollar package, there are also approximately 8-9 billion if my memory serves me, it will go to the reinforcement of the same poland, so instead of conventionally speaking, they give the old but modernized ones, they will receive completely new and new weapons. i understand this. but again, returning to germany in germany, as far as i know the bundeswehr also it has not the best weapons, it is not the newest, there is a lot of it, but it is not the newest, it could also work to give us your old one, instead, get a new one, absolutely absolutely, but the other two factors that i mentioned relatively play a role here poland, but which, unfortunately, germany

does not have i will name the names that they will heat up when addressing the politicians of these countries with the demand to give us weapons, they say that this is already a little , well, it is already too much. depends on the country first of all yes, we mentioned and you alluded to the denominator in germany. i personally think that this border there is quite justified, and the rhetoric that the ambassador uses is quite justified. why, because let's say so in germany for quite a long time, she herself archived putin’s regime, and not only she understood, but this is the agreement to the last when the ukrainians shouted, look what you are doing. well, they probably give some kind of moral right, but on the other hand , we also see this rigidity of the bureaucracy there

which still clings to its imaginations. the old world , in which you could agree on something with someone , does not accept the reality. well, it is only now that, in fact , it is not the first time that i have been in ukraine. so, somehow, i have to express my positions regarding the european integration of ukraine more clearly, and regarding the support of ukraine yes, with some specific dates , that is, in this situation, it is necessary to change, on the other hand, if we have good enough contacts with other countries where there is no need to remind , warn, and demand, then i think so melnyk's diplomatic line in those potentially other countries would be extraordinary, but here we need to emphasize one simple thing and why, in my opinion, we have the moral right to talk about it , because after several world wars and simply after low-level conflicts, we still agreed on the fact

that there are certain procedures by which we can resolve common issues. and we will not teleport any aggression that may happen, especially if there is a country that is simply stronger and shows its aggression relative to a weaker one, say in the military the potential of the country and here we have again a number of cases when yes yes, we have agreed on all this, we are completing our national security, so that our policy is based on these principles, and here we get an imid, nothing comes out, in principle, we can polish this policy and here they are extreme injustice yes we definitely need to raise this thing that fucked us up, but it's also obvious that not only us were affected, they also scared georgians and maybe other countries were affected and will be affected, that is, these things need to be raised, that's why i wouldn't feel here do you know any such skepticism from the fact that we frankly