well, there is a big question even to qualify these crimes today as a qualification to qualify e-e bot factories, for example, today the center for countering disinformation speaks of such a term as a-a network of coordinated inauthentic behavior e-e it is already e-e it is a legal term a-e there is no simple definition of a bot farm yet, but today we are starting a discussion in the countries of eastern europe in the countries of europe so that we have a common field and the same legislative approaches to everything, yes, it is a complicated name what we are saying is simple, because it is an interesting and important topic. we will continue in a few minutes. now there is a small break for three minutes and we will return to the

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before going to sleep, i called my daughters loli, i wanted to talk to you on the eve of your birthday, when i was putting him to sleep on a very happy february 24, russia attacked ukrainian cities with missiles and bombs, my life changed forever, but you are in each of us and the story about these events has already chosen five windows harry , kiss me your videos that share stories share your experiences and feelings and my

team and i will make a documentary or together with you we will tell the whole world the truth about what happened in ukraine and we will make sure that no one was able to twist this truth 1+1 is back on the air project guard is visiting us andriy shapovalov head of the counter disinformation center at the national security council of ukraine fakes how to fight it and now i remember the beginning of the era of the internet and everyone said that it was the 90s when the internet appeared, when there was an opportunity to read everything, write there, everyone said one thing:

now it will be impossible to manipulate people's consciousness, now the truth is always will find an opportunity to go outside on if somewhere in the newspaper you were written stupid , then you are 100% on the internet. you will read the truth on tv, they will no longer be able to lie and that's it. well, we live in a completely transparent society, yes , plus or minus 20 years have passed there and we sit and discuss how to define manipulations and this name is complicated bot farms you are a network of coordinated inauthentic behavior i wrote down yes here you started a very important story about what you need to start with how to attract a person how to prove that a fake is a fake you need to start with terminology and e- in july, we are preparing a meeting within the framework of the lublin

triangle with poland and lithuania with our colleagues from similar centers, and one of the issues is to discuss the need to introduce common terminology so that we understand what it's about information war, it's not that, well, it's not quite trophies, it's not quite about manipulation, it's not quite about disinformation, it's all components, we're talking about information terrorism, and it's also one of the terms that today a-a well, you have to somehow be in the legal plane because what is happening, it just drives a person into a situation without a day off, just like ordinary terrorism, well, what is the task of terrorism to frighten you so much and make you such conditions that there is no way out, all information terrorists act in the same way only in information therefore, we need the term information terrorist, information terrorist financing, financing of

information terrorism, and if a country finances information terrorism, it should also be included in the countries that finance, and what is common, but already information terrorism, with a dental example, friends, remember in april from there was information that ukraine is selling off humanitarian aid, and the original source of this was ex-intelligence officer shvets, who posted a video, he publishes a youtube channel, i watched it one and a half million ago, then in this video he tells what is the aid to ukraine from the usa disappearing in an unknown direction on the western borders if the issue of embezzlement is not resolved, stop supplying one and a half million views, information based on nothing well, because people who are more or less involved in the processes there or simply understand that this is the delivery of targeted aid from

europe now, how is it going, how is it being controlled? it ’s simple, it’s impossible even theoretically, but this message has found its viewers, listeners, and a conversation has begun. he is generally a military expert on youtube. well, then understand that there are a huge number of specialists in information and psychological operations in russia, and they are there. well, you have to understand that there are thousands of them . of content and it starts to be dispersed and maybe er and not shvets dispersed one and a half million, well, good people were found and it flew a-and if you can prove it, well, it’s an argument for the court, if you can’t, it seems to you that it’s just trust in people before the court in within the framework of which article of the criminal code,

this is about it now, and it should be about fixing it first, at least in our legislation, and then scaling and transforming it into the world, showing, explaining, we need a big discussion, involving journalists, involving the public in order to separate journalists from pseudo -bloggers and uh, it's networks, well, it's more informational terrorism and the need to qualify it all. because otherwise, we're uh, replacing the concept of freedom of speech and bacchanalia of words in this well, this is a discussion i remember from the first year of the journalism faculty. well, it all starts with this, i just want to remind you that this is not a new story at all. do you remember the 90s of radio thousand hills in

ireland, which actually caused a mass massacre of the people of turkey? and so it happened what happened was that they were mostly brought to justice, and it is a very interesting story because this radio itself was constantly promoting the fact that people's instructions are not people, they are cockroaches cockroaches and they talked about it all the time and all the time they talked about would and would kill and that is actually what managed to prove the involvement of these people, radio djs , presenters in mass murders, uh, rwanda really is a country of thousands of hills, the terrain is like that, and in those places where there were radio waves, they reached there, and this radio station has thousands of hills, eh, eh on the order of ten times more murderers, and during the trial it was necessary to prove that

about 50,000 murders were caused by listening to the radio station. this story is impressive. i was interested in these networks, but i spoke here literally yesterday with the head of the stopfe organization, who is in the gene fetchenko. he told a very interesting story about the disinformation newsroom, but let's listen to this interview, it's more difficult to sell. - to russia now presents accents from

promoting some anti-ukrainian peoples to some er generated some doubts about ukraine to generate sell doubts this is the main product now er russian of the disinformation system, these doubts penetrate the discussion at very, very different levels, that is, people begin to express all their doubts not only in official sources, we see, for example, that they will be strengthened and multiplied there, and this will eat away the support of ukraine, which was originally an invasion was very high was very effective there was such euphoria in the world about how bravely ukraine is fighting but then these sad you and them so it is already working we already see a lot of copper materials which we also see

decrease in the media in ukraine, a group for this system, there are also pro-russian e-e parties all over the world, pro-russian media, pro-russian organizations , about some newsmakers, which we would call all flexers, but they all survived, nothing happened to them, so they kept quiet and tried to do so to make them invisible, but with this position, no one is ashamed of it. and russia is making a very, very big effort. they are trying to stir up public opinion in their country, and this is the

part of disinformation that is the most dangerous. in order to follow them, these messages are really being developed somewhere at the central office and then they have to be sent to messenger exactly and uh, if it was sent by who, in what form, we can see how much the amount of misinformation related to refugees has increased in general. and it is very easily broadcast,

for example russians to the active world and opposing them to the local residents, trying to create a situation between them that did not exist. so, including around there, for example, the use of the russian language, it is obvious that we will have some kind of explosive mixture, it is ukrainians, the russian language and russian media, this is a very important thesis. it seems to me that we need to talk about it. because now there is a lot of talk about refugees and their behavior abroad in ukraine, and it turns out that it is also technology and not only about refugees, but also about

russian citizens who are and live abroad they also play a very important role in shaking up and supporting those narratives of the kremlin that they perceive through russian television . the blogger left for olitsk at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of germany with her son and her mother, and here they went. they just went to the lake to rest for one day and there a citizen of germany is german. i am a russian german , as they say a fascist, because of what, because her son shouted glory to ukraine, let's listen, that's why let's go forward in russian or german, the word in ukraine, please, please, we'll finish this conversation with the child

why are you in ukraine because he is from ukraine because you attacked our country in order to bomb russia damn yes yes i have lived here for 25 years even stupid what if what the hell did i attack because anya went to a police station in germany after this incident and wrote i waited for the application there for six hours and in the end, the application was accepted, let's ask her more, yes, she is on the direct line, ani, we congratulate you, the last olitsa tv presenter blogger, katya, to see you good day good day, thank you for the invitation, yes, first of all, we want to say words because thanks for your endurance. for courage, for the fact that you, well, firstly recorded this conversation, and secondly, that you behaved very, well, discreetly, and in contrast , i do not know the face of russia. let's call this man, yes, a product of russian propaganda, the face of russia. well, they behaved very correctly

and posted this video, and here's what happened next if they told you to the police. well, first. well, i didn't react quickly, i could have immediately called the police to the scene, but unfortunately, fortunately, i've never had such cases. was here in germany for 3.5 months hmm, but after all, two days later i filed an application and two criminal proceedings were opened, the first proceeding against that russian patriot and the second criminal proceeding against the threats i am currently receiving on the instagram social network literally a day after the publication of that video which already has more than two and a half million views, just the whole manual fell on me, you know, with such, well, with such terrible words, someone said that he was in the place of that russian patriot. i actually hit you. i killed you, then my friends wrote about the fact that we

will come to you, we will rape you for a very long time and we will all just cook you as a brother and it is so terrible, i will honestly tell you that this is exactly this, licking the face of that russian mir who kills our ukrainian children and rapes our women and well, in general, it’s as simple as that. well, terrible things are happening. here in europe, with ukrainian women who are now without protection, without men, men are on the front lines, and these are russian patriots, well, i’m sorry katsaps, i can’t say it any other way. they feel that they you know, the brave people here understand that only women are here, who else can hit them, who can only hit them, who are only women with children, ukrainian, everything and here they are brave, but you know what i want to tell you, i already understood who they are here, russian germans, they are there are quite a lot, a lot, but

they all have german passports, but they have the consciousness of that russian quilter . on their russaks they work in theirs so they have the consciousness of a totally russian quilter and here you know the powerful russian ghetto and such people with a migrant past, they are migrants are very easy to influence this is what affects them a lot, but i will tell you this there is no russian television in germany. well, there used to be russians here, even translated into german, but now there is no such thing, but here are these russian germans, they find russian television everywhere, they buy a broadcast somewhere, they find it on the internet, and uh

they look at it and see, well, actually, this is how it happens, what happened to, for example, the supply of weapons to germany, that is, it is already hesitating for how many months it is shorter. ukraine never received anything. that's only because of the mentality of the germans. they will think 100 million times before accepting something, but this is the official position of the government, and the position of the local germans themselves is different, but you can imagine that the germans are offended when we ukrainians say well, why does germany not supply weapons to ukraine, and the germans say and we do not support the official position of the government, we are against it, it really offends and well, that's how it is, that is, the rhetoric is pro-ukrainian, but decisions

are made. well, not in my favor so far. always caused dissonance, so much so that even the personnel who were there saw it, so it seemed, yes, that is, roughly speaking, why does the audience of russian television in these remote areas of rubtsovsky watch tv this way, because you have nothing but the same tv in your house yes, you go to the toilet on the street there. there is life, there is no money. well, what is left for you to do in life like watching tv, but for me it is always in germany. when i did not have to cross paths there, it was a more unique phenomenon for me. well, it will work out. i don't know. there on the bunderistas look at the stairs in the museum no, well, here it is unique, they are patriots, yes , they like it if people have a cross, are you in germany? please explain to me why you then video of the match yes yes yes at the end of the video i asked the question if you are already a russian patriot so why are you here?

you are in germany, if you love putin's politics so much, go to russia and support all that in your country that you are just promoting . well, what did he say? i'm german. i'm german, i have a german passport, but you know what else is funny well, of course, i was supported by the whole of ukraine, the whole of poland, wrote to me and found that russian patriot very quickly . the person was a bully even before 2000 there 13 of the 12th year and the person he even went to ukraine to visit his relatives and after 2012 something happened. you understand. that is, this is already such a long process of this russian propaganda,

that is, they just one person wrote that he is most likely somewhere, he was there somewhere, he identified himself in a social network as a fan of the german party ifd, this is how it is translated as an alternative for germany, it is radical, it is the right radical party, which is always it, by the way, in 2017 she got 13% of support that year. she got in. that is, she won there. she got 13 percent. it is simply paradoxical for germany and she is russian. she is for russia. she supports there, she supported trump. you know what’s not so good. it’s even funny that she says that germany is for germans. she is against emigrants. and here is that russian patriot. he supports this so-and-so party, which is against emigrants, well, it’s just, well, you know. it’s a total surprise. well, let’s say it’s the nazi party here in germany. well, if you can say so, these are thousands of patriots who live in russia, patriots

in germany, these are putin's nits, who sit and wait for their lice to crawl with weapons to the middle of europe, take over the whole world, and then they will say, finally, this is our great empire , they live there, but they dream, they did not give passports the german ones to somehow control this process in the sovereign affairs of foreign countries and not to tell such people to live like this, thank you once again for your action and for your inclusion and for explaining what is happening in germany hello give it to your mother. glory to ukraine, stay there, i want to talk. i want to take a short break for a few minutes, friends. we have traditional videos. and then we will come back and discuss this story . they come back in camouflage with shoulder pads

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telegram channel chatbot search for the missing, together we are invincible glory to ukraine watch the project to find your loved ones with kateryna osadcha every monday at 9:30 p.m. marathon, the only news, the director is ukrainian, on february 23 i was in kyiv, i picked up my new project, i was very happy, i celebrated with my friends before going to bed, i called my daughters, loli, the hotel will talk to you on the eve of your birthday, but i fell asleep very happy. on february 24, russia attacked ukrainian cities with missiles and bombs my life changed

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is back on the air. from germany, yes, what to do with these patriots of the kremlin, who openly try to sneer at ukrainians and simply when they see them on the street, yes, even this video . to discuss, well, this horror of russian patriotism. well, i apologize, i think german legislation still defines it, so what will happen to you if you