on a completely different level, for sure, belarus has never stood on that uh, hmm, on those positions, we can repeat, in reality, the main mass of people there were brought up on a completely different slogan of no war, there was never a war of this kind, we suffered enormous losses and everything must be done so that there is no more war on our territories, and this psychology of any war does not allow us to use the belarusian army in those positions that putin would really like, in fact, we must understand the belarusian army for all the years of independence did not take part in any e-e combat actions and peacekeeping operations, this is the position of the belarusian people, you understand what i am talking about, that they are

really not ready to fight, morally and psychologically, this is approximately i remember one situation that happened in the 14th year and in that including our troops who did not understand what kind of war it is and why we, well, why should we shoot allegedly at those people who were there literally yesterday, they were, if not relatives , acquaintances, relatives, and so on, and in belarus in relation to ukraine, the situation is the same. thank you, mr viktor, i would like to remind our viewers that we are working on several platforms at the same time on the espresso tv channel, as well as on youtube and facebook. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please like this video so that it can be promoted on youtube and facebook trends. and also subscribe to our social networks on the screens you can now see links to these social networks to our pages throughout the entire period of the

russian-ukrainian war, propagandists are quite powerful on the information front they actually prepared the ground for a major russian invasion of ukraine before, but i want to show two videos of margarita simonyan and volodymyr solovyov about how they interpret current events, what they say, because it all works to an audience of many millions, an internal audience accordingly, it forms a certain trend and forms a certain attitude of russians who are preparing for war. therefore, margarita simonyan says that after meeting with putin, she did not start talking about the fact that ukraine no longer a military operation and a civil war, as they said even before the great invasion, let's

listen to the simanians, it is absolutely obvious to any person that there is no russian war with ukraine, it's not even a russian special operation against ukrainian troops, it's a civil war in ukraine, in which part of the ukrainians are russophobes and let's say anti-russian in the sense that the fascists were anti-semites, and absolutely in that sense it destroys the other part of its people, and russia simply stands up on the side of one of these warring parties, why

is it obvious to this side ? every time something seems to you, you are wrong in principle, the level of degradation of political decisions in the west already causes fear . they still ask about concepts. and what is there in the rosette ? everything is aimed at the domestic consumer, but hey, over the past few months, i have been talking quite often there with western journalists who are trying to understand what is happening in ukraine, and they quite

often repeat the narratives of semenyan and solovyov because russian propaganda has worked quite actively until now, you are now obviously working in the west as a person who takes care of national security and defense issues. how would you rate our counter-propaganda efforts in terms of how we oppose all these propaganda stamps ? and europe, including ukraine, see, in fact, there is nothing new. they have not heard. this is the same as what happened in the 17-18-19 years there, in the 20s, when soviet russia created a pseudo-ukraine in kharkiv with the capital in kharkiv and created a pseudo- ukrainian army which went on a liberation march to

kyiv and freed the real ukraine from the fake ukrainians. nothing new, we know how it all ended and this pseudo-civil war, which maybe took place somewhere in russia, but definitely not in ukraine because we understood that it was the soviet union. soviet russia attacked ukraine and both ukraine and the soviet union fought at one time in brest and certain documents were indeed signed there and they did not recognize each other and were they violated the borders. but in order to show that they are not taking part, they created a pseudo army, a pseudo government, and that's all they want to

repeat now. i emphasize once again that one of the councilors advised this. - to conditionally bring yanukovych to declare him the legitimate president and to say that they have finally liberated part of ukraine, but in this case they need to raise some kind of flag, which is blue and yellow, they will raise the flag and restore the so-called power of yanukovych, so rude by the way, for understanding, in the 17th year, when in the 18th year, the flag of soviet ukraine was a red, blue-yellow corner like this, that is, they will come up with some kind of flag for themselves now, for sure, and all the troops will be declared not russian, but pseudo the ukrainians will remove new chevrons and what will they do to liberate kyiv from the nationalists? well, all the stages have already been passed, everyone understands everything and no one

buys into it, but they are doing it for themselves, well, they need to somehow determine what they are doing in ukraine. that's actually the question about whether they they will stop at the borders, if they go to the administrative borders of the luhansk donetsk region, they will not stop, they will go as they dream, constantly inventing something to themselves that they are liberating ukraine, then they liberate the countries of the warsaw pact from what there are conditional bourgeois and so on and so on. in other words, this is the russian measure, which is simply a mold attacking the normal civilized world, mr. general. last week, the government of ukraine made a decision on the visa regime with the russian federation are you a supporter of the introduction of a visa regime from russia or are you still full of a ban on entry to

ukraine for citizens of the russian federation, taking into account that we do not have diplomatic relations, this is actually a ban on entry to ukraine, it is clear that such conditional e-mails can be allowed there of useful russians, i emphasize the bad ones, the bad ones, namely the useful ones, because there is a part of people who really bring benefit in a certain section of our time, the benefit of our time is actually in the fight against russia, putin and everything to be called the russian world, unfortunately that what should have been done back in the 14th year, by analogy with georgia, when they clearly just made a decision that there was no russia, closed the borders, er, stopped diplomatic relations well, they did not introduce a visa regime . it is true that there was a different situation, but all this was

in exactly the same direction as unfortunately, unfortunately, we did not do it and now we still have it in the sense that almost every day we discover some hidden subversive groups or hidden agents that have been implanted in our society over the years. i hope that the closure of borders and the impossibility of entering on the part of russia and on the part of other countries, the citizens of this state entity will still have a positive effect on our counterintelligence regime and the atmosphere in terms of security will improve, but i emphasize once again that this was done very, very late. by the way, you mentioned the counterintelligence activity e the security service of ukraine announced a few days ago that a russian

agent was kidnapped from the cabinet of ministers, in particular, it is about the head of the secretariat of the cabinet of ministers and the head of one of the directorates of the chamber of commerce and industry, they leaked information to the russians about the state of defense capability for the arrangement of the state border and personal data of ukrainian law enforcement officers, and the sbu says that they were paid from two to 15,000 dollars for the task . е if you compare the level of that agency or the number of this russian agency that was then in the government and now е are these comparable values ​​how much е after yanukovych when did you come to the sbu to manage the sbu how much the system was infiltrated by russian agents and is it

possible to compare the number of those people who are now caught with russian e-e passports or who went to russia and then it is a very difficult question that no one has kept such statistics and no one can imagine such things e-e what during yanukovych's time in the russian federation, there was no question of recruiting officials, even of the middle and lower ranks, there was simply no need for them, they controlled not just entire industries , they controlled the first persons of the state ministers and heads of law enforcement structures and they received information in a much larger volume and understanding than we can even imagine , therefore, having some experience at a lower

level, they understand that now they are actively used and activated after the beginning of active hostilities. did a certain self-purification process come in the 14th year for some of those people, or did they leave ukraine, or did they categorically refuse to contact the russian federation because they definitely did not subscribe to the military confrontation uh against his homeland, a part of uh came and well, i won’t say what i surrendered, well uh, she reported contacts without realizing that these contacts could be criminal, that is, part of uh, so they hid somewhere, and really we had some success then began to conduct, then they continued it in the future er-er until quite successful special operations and we we managed to identify er quite

serious er-er serious sources used by the russian federation now. at this stage , it is the cleansing of our society that continues and i in fact, with gratitude to our counterintelligence that it is not and we are actually checking those people who are really at the critical points of receiving and i hope that the self-cleaning will continue to be carried out, the society helps us a lot, by the way, an extremely huge thank you to society, which is, accordingly, the information of the security services, even at such a household level. and this allows you to avoid the problem. perhaps in the future, unfortunately , full investigations have not been carried out in relation to pro-russian structures that are prohibited by the court or

will be banned by the court, but it is necessary to simply sift through all the e-e arrays of those people who were activists in one or another organization, because it shows that in the occupied territories, as a rule, it is they who are transferred to the reserve of collaborators, one of the vip-agents or people who represented the interests russia in ukraine was the godfather of viktor volodymyr putin, forgive viktor medvedchuk , today the lychakiv court of lviv extended his arrest until august 9, this was the decision of the court and the petition that he will be under house arrest for another 60 days the judge satisfied the request from the general prosecutor's office for three months

. medvedchuk is in custody. there were many versions of what might happen to medvedchuk himself. viktor medvedchuk says that he is ready for a possible exchange. at least this exchange was proposed when the fighting for mariupol was going on and the azov people were at the plant and our border guards and the marines were surrounded. how do you see the future of viktor medvedchuk, does putin need him or not and the process that will be over medvedchuk of course, he should be because he is accused of treason, he is a traitor and is also

necessary for ukraine because evil must be punished. passed. i wasn't ready for these statements of piskov and some other such moments, that is, i still hoped that they needed him. i understand that the person was simply angry or pretended that they did not need him. option is well me indeed, in this whole process, the most interesting thing is not so much its economic component, which for some reason the investigators are now focusing on, but actually this political component, what they planned to do in the event of a seizure of power, who was supposed to lead these or other structures in ukraine, how was everything take place and how the process of transfer of power there or well , everything that is connected with the possible possible

defeat of ukraine and the victory of the russian federation in these so-called special operations, this is what is interesting, everything else is derivative because i am sincerely convinced that he was not just hiding in kyiv. he was waiting in kyiv. he was waiting for russian troops and only the understanding that the special operation went that way and that they lost and that it would not be possible to take control of kiev forced him to start er, the process is ongoing from ukraine, and actually these moments are very, very interesting, because then we will know the lists of all the collaborators who may be arriving now, including those in the authorities who were ready to go over to the side of the enemy. by the way, those are it is not known whether we ever talked about it or not, but i

i remember very well how in november-december the western press actively pumped up the topic that the new head of government in the event that russia seizes ukraine will be yevgeny muraev, the leader of the nash e party and the owner of the tv channel. that he is somewhere abroad, or in switzerland , or in austria, well, it is not known for sure, but the fate of all the other collaborators , including those who were close to medvedchuk, is absolutely known, they are sitting quietly in the hall the verkhovna rada of ukraine is pushing the buttons. i mean the former representatives of the opzzh faction. they have already started calling themselves something new and vote as they should now and are doing a lot

to convince society that they will always be against putin. well, the same i remember vilkul . also oleksandr vilkul, he also did a lot there to ensure that this russian peace in ukraine still lived. are deprived of deputy mandates because well, we have a fairly fresh memory and we remember very well who did what, how they said and we are watching what they are doing now. did not take place in full in the 14th year, and i do not see any prospects. unless, after the victory in this war , a certain category of society still raises questions about the qualitative conduct of lustration with a

ban on people who took an active part in the planting of the russian world in ukraine and invited by this war to our territory, who will not only be brought to justice, but also some of them will simply be deprived of the opportunity to hold any positions in the civil service in the future, to engage in political activities, and they will simply be deleted from our lives, as this is approximately the same thing that happened in the 1990s, it was actually supposed to take place in ukraine, in the 1990s , in the countries of eastern central europe, which got rid of the communist past, we have to sue so communist because those people have long since moved away from running the state, and actually from this er-e polish er-e

ru- of the russian world and er-e these or other er-e manifestations of their supporters, if we do it to him, then we have the prospect that such parties like there sharia there, ours, i don’t know, ukrainian choice, and others like that, i’m not talking about the opz or the party of regions, all this will simply be in the past, because if we don’t do it to some extent, we again we will get people who will start telling us about good russian good russian literature and about the fact that not everything is so unequivocally necessary to close this case, and if not, then we, with a periodicity of 25:50 for a hundred years, will once again have children with some modernized russian peace on our borders , one of the reasons why this russian peace lived here

. as you rightly said that there was no lustration in the 90s, in the 91st year, we were participants in the student revolution and demanded, including illustrations and slogans, we all remember, we all remember, what we demanded what we wanted didn't work out the way we wanted it or it shouldn't even after completion the russian-ukrainian war is still open archives of the kdb and tell me who was who in the politics of that time and in general in ukrainian politics because eastern europe has passed this way to me well er look unfortunately er i will say professionally unfortunately so what what what is called the kdb agency, we will not be able to reveal it so easily because there are simply no physical lists of these lists, if they existed, they were

destroyed, and some of the most valuable and interesting materials were then taken to moscow in advance stayed in moscow because those cards are were then filled by the state security committee, they stopped at several copies and one of them is actually in moscow, so moscow can occasionally pull the strings of those people who were once in this apparatus, but you have to understand that it has been 30 years, 30+ years of those people for the period of 1990-1991, these are already people for 50 years and have had a significant impact on our politics, because they have acquired during this time, although it is possible that there are certain characters who remain in politics or in business on the territory of ukraine, and really archives in us

we have to work with them openly. and no one forbids anyone to come and start working with these operational matters, and there is an opportunity and from time to time we have access to those people who were really in the agent operation of the state security committee in this there is no ban. that is, it is a far-fetched idea that these lists are hidden somewhere, they are simply not physically there, you have to work with other materials, and you have to go out there at the crossroads, what exactly, and who exactly worked for the state security committee? and that russia is actively uses these people in our society, we can see it and it is confirmed, including even by journalistic investigations, which were confirmed, including in the archives of the state security and the current archives of the security service of ukraine. thank you, mr. general, it was viktor

yagun, major general security services of ukraine in stock thank you for the conversation, i will remind you that it was a program, the verdict brought it serhiy rudenko, you and i. we will meet tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. i will have volodymyr hryshko as a guest, we will talk about the european ukraine's prospects about ukraine's possible candidacy to the eu and also about possible candidacy or membership in nato until tomorrow take care of yourself and your loved ones goodbye, watch espresso news and euro programs espresso for ukrainian refugees in europe joint broadcast with the atp channel radio svoboda programs time-time programs of the voice of america, the inclusion of journalists from public television, news programs of bbc news ukraine and franz 24, as well as the broadcast of the information

marathon, the only news, together we are the force, glory to ukraine to date, we have 1170 displaced people , someone fled from under shelling and thanked god that he just stayed alive, he, his family, someone left without a plan, that is, some things with him all that time, little sun, our room where we live here, we were allocated a room with a child. honestly tears come to my eyes because here people help uh i get help for a single mother 2000 hryvnias that's how we live five children 6 years old and then a very

old woman and nephews and sisters here and there because everything burns and is safe there there is no such thing moms wheelchair но ето дали нам на время ето было очень как бы хорошая вещи для мамы очень such a wheelchair from the kharkiv region 57 wards of a psycho-neurological profile who need special attention of course they need no we need permanent underwear they need underwear because it is girls , hygiene products, washing powders, chemistry, where are non- solvent products, if possible, there is such a problem. we have a broken boiler for heating, it needs to be repaired. it costs a lot of money, care

, all kinds of help, if possible. why does the issue of food become a problem? because the displaced people , unfortunately, are now without work, no one can find a job - they are units, they need to stay overnight, medical care is needed. the private sector is almost completely filled and now we have made a decision to create a center for the temporary accommodation of internally displaced persons, and we just have a question about the provision, yes , well, if the current repair we will of course do on our own, the filling, and the furniture is appropriate , and the filling of the food block is also a constant set of

questions about the provision of the worker, it is also a sharp point, where to stand, so that the victory is 100% for us, because the truth is on our side and our side is ours the earth is very important in this difficult time to be aware of what is happening, we tell the news and help to understand the events, but the war can make its own corrections in case the air is lost