we know because the russian mass media in particular write there that putin should come to the so-called forum of the regions , as if this is some kind of economic story, although we have read it, we understand that it is not necessary to fix the economy, what kind of economy should be fixed in belarus, and everything boils down to the fact that putin will come to break lukashenka's knee or for him to invade ukraine, or as an alternative to this scenario regarding the a-a beam. so, you know, if we continue this kind of love story between e. putin and lukoshenko that we have been observing lately, the first thing is that both understand that the war against ukraine is dragging on and the sanctions on the occupiers are increasing and they are really running around their countries , that is why putin is trying to use lukashenko to bargain for the relaxation of western sanctions, the kremlin’s idea is that the next european formula will lift sanctions from belarus if belarus creates a transport complex for the export of ukrainian products to the baltic ports, as a matter of fact if there will be a relaxation for lukashenka for similarly, relaxation for

putin as well. what do you think? first, there was such a statement from lukashenko, he says, okay, we are close we agree to provide a corridor for the export of ukrainian grain by the railway track to the baltic seafarer on the condition that this will be a permit for the transportation of belarusian and russian goods, that is, he, excuse me for the jargon, pulls ointment for his there, uh, they are working very hard, we see that the railway track in them already asked for a lot. it was such a big transit hub, here we are about the economy of belarusians. let's talk a little further. i want to have serhii bulba on the phone. let 's add him to our conversation. good day, sir. sergey, well, i congratulate you, we congratulate you, we congratulate you, but please tell me how you imagine i interrupted your question. sergey, uh, let's just remember the last time putin came to belarus. it

happened three years ago at the closing of the european games. so we are not wrong, well, i am no, no, i’m a fan of putin, that’s why i’m a new donor, sincere. i agree with your version. this is his first visit since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of the territory of russia, and he doesn’t often travel outside his own borders. he likes it when people come to see him. well, danylko somehow he even joked at the concert, tried to call putin, so he told him, led him with a gesture, and putin told him no, you are not to me. well, this is such an easy analogy, and tell me what made putin go to belarus, so what does this visit to belarus by mr. president of russia mean ? putin 's travel is a matter of concern. so it was submitted there through balls, it's not a fact that he will come once

in a while. do you think that lukashenko wanted how to make a missile in belorussian territory on the ukrainian territory, he probably didn't want hotels why putin now you have to drink, can you hear us yes yes i can hear you, i kind of forgot everything about lukashenko, is he good already, please explain i am asking you a question, is poroshenko his hotel will forbid putin missiles did not fly from belarusian territory did not treat no no no no death to ukraine probably did not want if and as for lukashenko's speeches, the impression is that he will get a star from the sky, he only has to want, well, that's what we we see how he builds a picture of himself in the imagination for the

whole world, you understand what you could want lukashenko 's objectivity lukashenko that you don't have a judge is asked yes, look, i will answer, i will answer your question in one of lukashenko's speeches before the start of the war sometime in a month yes he said that if russia leads its troops to donbas, the army of belarus will stand between the army of russia and the army of ukraine in order to prevent this clash. and if european or nato troops start fighting on the territory of ukraine, then he will stand on the side of russia, but we see that russia invaded ukraine from its territory from the territory of belarus. that is, i don't know how to even ask questions about lukashenka's choice. that is, de facto, we all understand that it is the game eh, well, with no more words, we all perfectly

understand that belarus is not just some bridgehead - it is in fact ukraine that participates in the attack on ukraine simply not with its own forces, not with its manpower of soldiers, but simply gives territory so that russia can attack us from there shoot us but now talk about the scenario that the belarusian army can come from the territory of the brest region and go to western ukraine. do you believe in such a scenario, mr. serhii? oh, i am once again addressing the first question . or not many belarusian soldiers are accepted by lukashenko on mayo do you understand that you accept putin and we, even when putin left, that there is no point in bringing in belarusian troops who are not ready, not psychologically, as if in a clear spirit, not ready, a statement from ukraine do you understand me ? clarify

if this is really so and we imagine that putin does arrive in minsk, then on june 30, ah, well, we don’t know why, but he arrives and here he decides without any legitimacy from lukashenka to say, well, then, the belarusian army, you are now attacking ukraine, oh how what do you think about the belarusian army? well , first of all, i have a little bit of operational information, so i'll tell you. so, right now, on the border with ukraine, on the border with ukraine, the fifth brigade is standing . e motorized infantry though they were forced it will be replaced if the coulters are ready to give a rest for 7-10 john, but anyway, after

the statement in february about the fact that i am now on hand, they don’t allow er, in general, russian sanctioned goods are not allowed to go to kaliningrad. putin became more nastoyler after the first all we had information and a month itself two months ago, there is that putin is considering options for creating a local conflict , interfering with belarus and poland or lithuania in the event of a conflict. we are not even a conflict, not russia, nato, and not on viton belarus, poland, how to be talkative there game you understand and now you will talk about this 120 we are the infantry that i am just the same or the extermination i will throw there come closer to the fat they are to the polish they are to the belorusskaya not to the ukrainian they are given and not to this for the etogovskoy what are the protocols that will be included what algorithms are we it's wrong, but that's

what russia is threatening, you see now and on youtube , it's also threatening that i won't cut down, i tested how many corridors to kalingrad, well, here they can support belarusians, turn them on, forgive me, i'm still clarifying. when did it start ? a full-scale offensive of russia on ukraine, and then the captured er-e rantingly said oh and we thought we were here for training and we were thrown into ukraine we didn't even know, but it turned out we were in ukraine somewhere near kyiv, and will the belarusians say the same somewhere later soldiers that suddenly there will be an invasion from the side of russia from the side of belarus with the use of belarusian soldiers also what i will tell you changed the territory if so and everyone at times the rhetoric of russian and still orphans of belarusian military servicemen and they told that for two years if everything is according to the plan of the special operation for according to the plan

if the help is not necessary, but about this second piece of information that i mentioned, that only russia plans to shake belarus, here is a local conflict , whether with poland or with lithuania, i have smaller questions , you can see i want to return to the first part there are talks about the subjectivity of lukashenka and you say that lukashenko is not completely independent, he is not doing what he was told, but look at the beginning of march, if i'm not mistaken, there was already such a story that belarus had to enter the second wave, and there were already provocations on the territory of ukraine with these planes that shelled a village in belarus, that is, everything is already there, literally 99.9%, that the whole of belarus is entering the war, well , belarus did not enter that in the first three weeks, they were so decisive that we are all these stories, these adventures of putin, and it was thought that putin is already winning, that he is everywhere near kyiv and near

chernihiv and there in the south, but lukashenko did not come in. although he could have come in to check, this is precisely the reaction of lukashenko himself, here we are if we remember the first of the week so that lukashenko makes such a face and says and what is this zelensky doesn't want to capitulate this what is this necessary ? words will be picked up by mr. lukashenko himself, now i will ask the directors to turn on his reaction, how lukashenko reacts to the armed forces of ukraine, now the military will blow off anyone's head incomprehensible statements yes, when lukashenko is asked what will happen next, yes, you know for sure, he is a little lost, and now listen to what lukashenko

, well, even to the workers, tells people about that and what will happen next, let's listen, it concerns the forecast no one knows underline no one knows how will it end even if i venture to say? no one knows how the situation will develop. yes, you can ask me . well, how do you communicate with putin there? every day, we will meet in the near future. i won't say that you know such lostness in rhetoric. yes, but where is this confident lukashenko, who, even tomorrow, will go somewhere on a tractor for two or three weeks, and that's it. well, you all remember this interview with solovyov, and by the way, i think that and lukashenko himself stated, and we were preparing for such a cut of the economic situation in belarus today, what is happening there is closely related to the law of ukraine,

and they said that one of the main arguments that stops lukashenko there is to show his teeth to putin and here is the belarusian economy oles alekhnovich did research and brought out the following figures and he said that the export of belarus to britain and ukraine fell to zero percent, it simply does not exist, but exports to the usa, please show the graph, decreased by 74%, exports to the eu by almost 40%, and at the same time they even tried lukashenka and putin's words that it is necessary to deliver russian goods to belarus and sell them in belarusian goods to russia did not save there, well, the most important competitor is china. yes, there is an expert, the growth has only increased by 16% since the beginning of the war on the territory of russia, the main argument the fact that belarusian goods simply do not stand up to china and here we see the graph. where , please, show me again where it is clearly visible, the red line is a drop in the world export of goods to the foreign markets of belarus, and the blue line

is an increase in the cost of these goods that is, the volume of supplies of belarusian goods to any place has fallen several times. for example, if you take fuel, it is a separate, separate, such element, the supply of money to the budget of belarus, currency, and the production of fuel is carried out by only two naftan enterprises in novopolotsk and moselsky the refinery in moser, of 100% of the fuel produced in belarus, only 15% goes to the domestic market, 35% was taken by ukraine, and 35% was taken by the european union, and the rest was distributed somewhere. and to date, ukraine and the european union have completely refused belarusian fuel. overcrowded enterprises are being repaired , that is, they can neither produce nor store it, and russia and belarus do not need fuel at all, and the situation is critical, did we already

say that lukashenka owes putin direct debts it seems to be approximately, not even approximately, but more than uah 10 billion was allowed there for another five or six years, it does not pay like this. from year to year, do not pay, do not pay you then, but as for direct financial injections, there is an infusion in the form of e-e discounts for gas for oil and the bbc calculated that approximately 52 million billion dollars is the debt of belarus to russia for indirect investments, yes, that is, in fact, this is the money that russia invested in belarus. 52 billion, you imagine this money - this is when belarus it's already on the russian market correctly stated that oil is there oil well, it is not processed, this is russian oil , it was given to belarus, it was processed ukraine does not consume it now, you can at least

water vegetables there with this gasoline, and belarus, what do you want to do above it, belarus will now make microcircuits, microprocessors, they their electronic corinimating their production for what to satisfy the military needs of the russian federation, that is, that you are located because it reminds me of where one of the most recent information from tinyyard times or your tampost where it was indicated or one of such world media where it was indicated that such a terrible story in russia ends with the actual chips and the body and not only it turns out that when the russian equipment was broken in ukraine, they began to disassemble it in order to understand what is there and what it is stuffed with. it turns out that there are a lot of chips, for example, from washing machines. there in the back, not from vacuum cleaners and irons , what is the reason for the theft near the machine for the use of chips for military equipment, orientate its production on meeting military needs of the russian federation and this is the second such argument to - that is, an indirect indirect factor. look, this means

that russia was not able to establish the supply, as they say, parallel import, that is, they cannot transport these microchips in industrial volumes there from the countries of south asia. i know, i understand that the special services of the russian federation set the task of ensuring the production of missiles there, ensuring the transportation of microcircuits, even if in a suitcase, in a bag, but you can get wrapped up there, but bring them and they can’t handle it, and they included belarus let's see what i already wanted to show us these sockets because well, let's look directly at the production well, the assembly is so conditional there lego yes, there is also belarus - it is possible yes but if we are talking about the environment of the microcircuit, in particular the chips for which it is made well, to be honest, it is hard to believe that belarus is under the power of this, there are a lot of objective forces that can provide missiles of the old soviet model, which are now in the russian federation, the microcircuits there are out of order or they were

stolen, they were already sold there for vodka, and can belarus provide these old missiles with these old microcircuits. maybe some new developments. i am sure that well, let's ask our expert serhiy bulba about the economic dependence of belarus. of course, the belarusians feel the sanctions and it's just that at the beginning of the full-scale war in ukraine, something has changed with ordinary belarusians have felt the price increase in their stores, what is happening to them there, the exchange rate of the natural belarusian ruble is released, it is already in time 3:39 that it used to be started with the ears of rubles, so you understand how it will be it feels as if there is an oil plant with maserage. now they complain about the auto-refining plant, the refinery there, the cycle of besperapin doesn’t hurt to be a-but not having

anywhere to ship, that is, the product is public. in people it is clear that many people leave from belarus, it is a large stream, and those who are waiting will be poisoned by polish humanitarian visas, as if leaving a natural wound. and many people went to ukraine before the war. well, now. to make quotes that if so you took me where lukashenko talks about the strength of the ukrainian army, so torn poroshenko said exactly that he would hang ukrainian men and the zelenskyi and he would play the zelenskyi if he obeyed then i am not i you have to understand your rights if you were so sensible and quotes the second

is the first days, the first three days, i promised to putin . will react to this and it has passed, how do we expect from the russians that they are outraged by the sanctions and the deterioration of their standard of living, etc. well, first of all, we probably have to do this by the belarusians in order to believe that the sale of belarus from the moment of conclusion this is the union. the government of the treaty must be appointed to russia.

national culture, a national school , belarusian-speaking kindergartens are now being laminated , now you are on belarusian television without hearing belarusian because it is not needed there, moreover, if we were here for 20 hours, uh, belarusian television had a stronger uniqueness, because the ukrainian russian relations well, now i have not chosen for myself the hatred the russian people are still not cleanly repeating everything that drives russia, you understand . thank you. thank you very much. thank you very much serhiy bulba was in touch with us, the founder of the belarusian white legion and our friends, but now we didn't have time to get to the topic a-a the head of the lithuanian national security committee laurina download us a-a we announced him at the beginning of the program uh, as our exclusive guest

, he now has the opportunity to join our broadcast. i think we have something to discuss with this person and hear what is happening in lithuania. good day, mr. laurynets. hello. good day. thank you for joining our broadcast. the first question is what is happening in lithuania right now on the basis of these mutual accusations and such rather sharp statements from both the side of russia and the side of i, in general, in these actions regarding the blocking of transit to kaliningrad не всегда если что-нибудь explain in the process, yes, our situation is like that, well, we are simply implementing european sanctions. that’s how we are like the states that have always been behind sanctions against russian aggression

. we do everything as it is written . just before your broadcast, we had a committee, we gathered as three ministers, looked at this process, how here and everything, we do everything, we do everything, everything carefully, how, uh, and the european union made a decision back in march, if there are uh, step-by-step such processes, you сейчас задать 17 июня it was necessary to uh-uh will cut off their opportunity to transfer uh-huh hundred and black metal on july 10 it will already be cement and alcohol even that the feeling is the biggest, the biggest, and it will be when we will have alcohol, er, from me, from me, i will carry alcohol here they sobered up. because we don't know what will happen then, it

's hard not to predict. there are still a lot of houses left in kaliningrad, let's call them from the prussian era, and people there heat them in the winter if they can. in other words, there can't be any gas there. and in particular, from august, the sanctions package provides restriction of coal supplies as well, which will not be able to be transported in the same way and then what to do with these people, then that is also a question then it will not even be about vodka, not about vodka, it will be so official russia seems to be the governor of the kaliningrad region said called all these actions are frankly unfriendly, when russia refers to another state as frankly unfriendly , then the consequences are expected, what do you think, and how should you really consider the words of official russia as confirmed and hard to understand, how seriously do

you take these actions of russia they are sharp. how many statements about the fact that the answer will not be diplomatic and ah-ah from our answer the life of lithuanians is significantly reduced. well, you consider a direct threat as a direct threat. this is what we traditionally do. we know who we are with in the neighbor who is our neighbor and what does he want and how is he doing and what will he do now in ukraine eh well of course we we understand that they are now they have the potential and some kind of real levers, if we were talking about the military sterele, eh, you can give me some provocations, maybe they don’t say something there, we can already hear it, and our klybedskom ports or there are some connections there, and there are such in order to block

some vessels there and so on not the blockade, but such a me- meg still has a softer version and so on, there can be all sorts of things, but military internment, and they are not, no, no, i can’t do it now, and because we are still a nato country, this is a collective guarantee - this 5th 5th page on that i don't understand everything, it can be, uh, levers, other economic , political, some, uh, we are always here, of course, when i think about it, about energy, but here , the state has already made very good steps in this, in this, in this dart, we, - for example, in our balance sheet gas from russia 0 eh and if we are talking about oil zero and yes we are connected eh by the system even in the svoysky volskyi cascades and the electric power system we are still connected with them we must synchronize with the west in the 25th year here there may be such a nuance and no i want to be able to make it so that we have some kind of

isolation there, yes, somehow, eh, this is your system, it is ready nationally, too, it will be ready . well , we rewatched such, er, such, er, let's say the most nuances maybe they will click someone somewhere, yes, somehow, somehow, there may be such a master of them, well , let 's see. in order to somehow surrender to the sanctions, we make some kind of national such reservations. this is our position. as he says . and why did we make the reservation nationally? and we say yes. well, yes. you understand, if everything will make reservations, yes , this is not possible. it is not possible for the second. these sanctions don't work, that's them

the goal is to make sanctions, the mechanism of sanctions do not work and they are now pushing to raise the temperature, uh, there is an escalation that you can do here, we don’t do this, for example, well, these are their plans, and of course, we will not work according to this plan, we will work with the plan of the european union the russians are now saying that they will load the train with armor and let it go with cement, metals, building materials and everything so that it goes, and then we will see what will happen if they do that. what step will lithuania take? well , let's see the talks about the seventh package of sanctions i beg your pardon, the language is so interesting for conversations about the seventh package of sanctions, there is information from different sources about whether or not there will be restrictions on russian gas, and here is how you can comment on the information that kaliningrad receives

russian gas through lithuania, there is information about what exactly they thanked since the age of leningrad can be cut off from the russian gaza here we see this scheme of obtaining you can see from the russian gaza that in these 10 years, er, russia has done a lot for moscow to do a-and kaliningrad er, well, more or less, i can’t say that they have achieved this or 100%, but more or less independent in terms of energy , and they have a life station there. new, but they are also dependent. you said very well about this infrastructure, when it goes through lithuania, and they have not achieved 100% independence. there is an option , but not like that. everything is simple because they have to count too, too count even not if you make some kind of move towards lithuania now, which is just playing european

sanctions, there are some places where you don't have it, everything is just like that, that's how it is. they should think about it. alternatives, too, but according to the gaza sanctions. yes, this is a nuance, because now in the european union, something like this is already going on, as it were, once in a while, unless it is the fatigue of the sanctions. on gas sanctions yes no the gas escaped, it's oh, it's a strong lever, it would be like that, but it's not like that, it's not like that, it's not like that, it's not like that, it's not like that, it 's just that, we have to understand all of this, all of this, well, yes, yes, it's like, there are nuances, they, they, they it is also vulnerable here. and they need to understand this . and what does the russian military group represent today

in koleningrad, and the number of troops there is increasing? we know that they have a sufficiently powerful, powerful fleet formed there . - that's the teaching because that's why principe eh in the rear in the rear of europe, you can call it such a pimple of the russian army, yes, you know , if 10 years ago, eh, i will tell you such a little, a little short story, in russia, they understood that colleagues eh enclave is like cheese yes, in a sandwich. well, lithuania, on the one hand , poland, on the other, and so on, and not everything was done to create it, as it were, more or less like a military outpost and some kind of independence and anal . so that it does not depend on one another and so on yes, i don't know if they achieved those goals of the catery they had