er activists and representatives of civil society and honest media in principle , she even announced her possible visit to kyiv , but she still hasn’t reached it yet. is it possible in principle, and has the relationship between official kyiv and tsikhanovskaya actually changed? dependent eh or oppositional if you want such indecisiveness of the ukrainian authorities during the events eh in minsk during the eh mass mass protest actions there was no clear recognition of these khanovs. it seems to me that it happened now and as a legitimate eh of the legitimately elected president of

belarus. is this or a clear visit possible in principle? what can we expect from the cooperation of the belarusian opposition with the couple? we ask ms. natalya to formulate only this matter for her. were not recognized as legitimate. that is, you understand that , yes, indeed, the majority of belarusians voted for svetlana chekhonostskaya in those elections and asked alexander lukashenko. namely, the belarusian protests of the humiliation of the process of belarus against lukashenko a-a as for the relationship with the ukrainian regions, that is, of course, we were fascinated several times that eh in belarus in the 20th year, when belarus was

crushed by these protest actions, and ukraine did not join the sanctions that were requested, that is, it would actually help a lot to change the situation, because there is a huge flow of goods through ukraine first of all, the student is a product and his knees are fertilized. and if ukraine were to put a block on these goods , then this is very serious. they are a serious blow to the putin regime and would help us diversify these critical supplies before the war, so i will add. yes, that is, it would have hit the lukashenko regime , including me, the putin regime, and would not have allowed us to use the territory of our country for an attack on ukraine if the situation changed, so it is important, at least now, to draw conclusions from the mistakes made and the fundamental ones in relation to the dictatorship in belarus, you understand that a dictatorship is the same enemy as putin's regime in russia . thank you, ms. natalya rada, for

joining us. thank you. with the council of europe here we can only quote the words of the secretary general of the council of europe maria peychenovych buryach who said that they will find the best, the best way to communicate with the belarusian opposition and listen to their voices. well, we hope that this will also contribute to the greatest pressure on lukashenka and his regime in particular, it is important that tykhanovskaya is now in the summer session in a pair conveying information about the participation of belarusians in the war on the side of ukraine in the support of belarusian citizens of ukraine itself in repelling russian aggression. strasbourg - 2,000 citizens were detained in belarus for protests against the war in ukraine. these are not the ones that are in the elections, they are pseudo-fake

lukashenko elections, but for protests already against putin's war in ukraine, and in 80 acts of himself too from the belarusian partisans against the russian army, one and a half thousand belarusian volunteers on the side of the armed forces, and they all watched very carefully for china's reaction, there were some optimistic forecasts that china could definitely end this war, do you remember they even said that the war would not start until the winter olympics will end, and to be honest, at least i don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not, but it came true, that is, the war almost started immediately after the olympics ended, nevertheless, china’s position turned out to be quite cautious, as for the most part, and china is doing what it can now let's say today we are just celebrating 120 days read four equal months how is the war of invasion of russia going on how did it evolve if china's position evolved during this war and

at what point is it now really 4 months it was a certain evolution you can say that it started with the fact that china, already at the beginning of the invasion, he clearly stated that he was against the war as such, he did not condemn the russians and russia, but he said that he was against the war as a means of resolving inter-state or international disputes, and he also immediately spoke at the same time ict calls to us by putin. where did he call to start negotiations and this, in principle, this position remains unchanged, that is, china constantly calls on the parties to the conflict to win, instead , its position is really so cautious in the sense that that he is not. he does not say constantly that he takes a neutral position in this conflict, that he

does not support any side of the conflict on the one hand, and on the other hand, if he says that he can or has the opportunity to enter into a dialogue with both sides, although here we also see such an imbalance because with russia this dialogue continues at a low level with ukraine this dialogue continues at the level of the ministers of foreign affairs, there were two conversations between kuliba and wang and the minister of foreign affairs of china during all this time, but it is also necessary to clearly to understand that, for example, these conversations were very different in their content because, in principle , china is discussing global issues with russia, that is, for him, the conflict between russia and ukraine is the owner of the ongoing war , it is not global for him so to speak, it is an event, but instead he sees this conflict as a conflict between russia and the west. and

here china is more like that in these comments. it is more necessary. as for the direct reconciliation of some kind between ukraine and russia or there initiatives to end the conflict, china only calls for victory, but for example he did not give any positive reaction to ukraine's calls to become a guarantor of security during the negotiations that ukraine conducted with russia in istanbul when she said that she wanted to form a group of these guarantor countries and that too such a reaction, on the other hand, and the last thing that can be said, even if the measure encourages china to take a more active part , let's say positive participation in this conflict, a positive role in this conflict, when china is the one who is being prompted to take a decision on this in the conflict to a certain extent, it is more clear to

declare its position. china is also going backwards, he is playing backwards because he says that no, i have nothing to do with this conflict, the conflict must be resolved by those who started it, and in principle, he blames the west is to the extent that he provoked russia into such a conflict, and that is why this position looks like this in principle now, i will ask this even then . which messages presented by the government for the population what is the general tone in the media, how is ukraine presented, the russian russian-ukrainian war in the chinese media , what conclusions can be drawn from this discussion or narrative given to the late official, well, more generally, we conduct an analysis the ukrainian association of chinese studies

conducts an analysis of chinese media narratives, they are actually official media otaki, in principle, as i said . madi's opinion or the bloggers are not on our side , they are anti-ukrainian, that is, not in favor of ukraine, about ukrainian bloggers , probably 10-15%, but there is a very interesting observation that this is precisely the thinking audience, and here you can in principle compare it with russia that the majority who do not think consumes propaganda, but we live in propaganda, especially propaganda in the sense that it is a conflict between the west and russia. yes , ukraine does not figure much here at all, but thinking people who can analyze information who can to use and access to alternative sources

they still write that this war is unfair to ukraine, that russia is an aggressor, she writes that she is an imperialist, that she attacked ukraine without any reason or solution, but there are actually very few such people. moreover, we observe also that the ukrainian pro-ukrainian position is blocked in chinese social networks, that is, it is most likely present there, but the fact is that access to it is probably limited in some way , we do not see that it spreads very much actively, that is, it is most likely blocked at some stage. well, what is interesting about the chinese media environment is that, in addition to the fact that it sometimes relays the russian vision of the situation, it also spreads outright misinformation about the activities of the so-called 20 us

biolaboratories in ukraine. to start such a topic that the european union and the usa clearly say that china, despite its demonstrative detachment from russia's war in ukraine, actually openly supports russia, although it does not show this openly and let's to understand what exactly russia's support for china is and how large-scale it is. so, the first , as we mentioned, is propaganda, in any case, it is mainly on the side of the russians . of the entire civilized world, however , there were still important guests at it, and this was the chinese leader xi jinping, who spoke via video in connection with this forum and joined the discussions. well, most importantly, china

the absolute leader in the purchase of energy carriers in russia during the war, out of 93 billion earned by russia in the first 100 days, he and against ukraine, the lion's share of almost 13 billion is chinese imports, which was doubled in the last period, what can you say to mr. oles about the increase in imports of russian energy carriers by china? this is purely pragmatic, after all, cooperation or real support for russia in the form of intensification of trade relations well , here you have already said a lot of questions, let's be honest, if you prove about the economy, i think that after all, for example, china buys less chinese russian oil than, for example, europe as a whole. yes, but it has become the largest consumer, buyer of chinese oil, oh russian oil , now it is precisely because it is cheap and china simply increases its reserves in this way, but it really supports russia in this way. it's the same, but here i

think it's very important to understand that china has very clearly said that it will not help russia in such a way as to circumvent sanctions, and this is basically the united states. this is what china emphasized he did not do this because he himself would face sanctions if, uh, also against which would touch the chinese company that helps russia against the sanctions, that's why china is acting very carefully here, he buys cheap uh, russian oil, but does everything so that his companies that were even involved in certain sectors of the chinese economy, for example, in oil constructions, for example, and the construction of these ore development, they come out, for example, from russian projects, because they can also find themselves under western sanctions, and china itself this is what he is trying to avoid now. and eh, one way or

another, but analysts, i see that eh, fresh material came out on ukrinform where eh, various experts eh draw attention to the fact that the main thing for ukraine is that china does not send units of the people's liberation army to the european theater of military operations to help russia well, he also did not supply the russians with weapons, military equipment , technology that can be used in the war against ukraine well, at the moment there is no confirmation that such help is provided, experts say, but in the near future an extremely important event will take place, namely the meeting of the us president joe biden and the chinese leader xi jinping, which may concern the abolition of tariffs on chinese goods introduced during the trump era in the amount of 25%, which were introduced by biden's predecessor to reduce the deficit of the us trade balance and force china to a fairer practice quote in fact this is the beginning of a trade war. and

now biden says that he is at the stage of making a decision on the abolition of tariffs. in your opinion , will this cause a powerful transit reversal china in the direction of embracing the russian federation in the direction of a collective action and, in particular, to influence the events in ukraine, we understand that, in particular, this is due to such and such such and such policies and such and such and such plans of president sajju biden well, i do not think that this will be a reversal see trade trade between china and western china, europe , the united states, exaggerates the volume of trade with russia ten times, therefore the choice here is obvious and vice versa, this step is the united states makes it clear to china who is its biggest a partner, despite all these ideological or propaganda statements, china understands very well

that it does not want to lose the western market in particular, or did it cause some kind of reversal, i don’t think it is for a reason . this can be said ideologically , because it is very beneficial for china to show that you have some kind of global struggle with the west, but in this struggle, it remains, as it were, the rearguard, yes, that is, russia has gone into the introduction, yes, china is like sitting in a trench yes, and he is watching how this battle will end. although he really does not interfere in it practically, yes , that is, he has exposed russia to this confrontation with the west, the war is going on, and the chinese are sitting and saying, ok, we are, as if for but we will not help and well, but there is such a hawks in chinese opinion that while the war is still going on, let's say the war is only between russia and ukraine,

as they think, well, practically, they will not interfere. if nato declares war on russia there, some kind of european war will start, then china should be determined more significantly, but for now that such conversations are taking place instead of any practical steps on the part of the chinese leadership . well, i don’t see it, and on the contrary, it still remains in this trench of its own. solutions and even sometimes there by hand. there, the forcing of rivers is managed by the russian with certain results, and these calls are made by the chinese communist party. of collective decisions, that is, to what extent is this party of hawks and one hundred percent dominant, no

, it is not dominant, it is very vocal, but look in china, after all, the main event of this year is the 20th congress of the communist party of the communist party of china, which will be held sometime in october or november, and there there will be a lot of interesting decisions, and most likely there will be collective decisions. although all of them, as we know , remain the core of the communist party of china, and in principle, they think that they will strengthen their positions there. and a lot will depend on this events, and i think by this time we will not learn any new, let's say, new big turns in chinese policy, mr. oles, you ca n't ask me for 30 seconds, china is constantly threatening taiwan, in particular, the day before, 29 chinese planes violated taiwan's airspace so does the minister of foreign affairs and ivaniv

says that the military threat is more serious than ever expected, whether or not china will attack or whether the collective action and policy of the united states in relation to china will be able to act as peacemakers are aggressive appetites for such an attack possibility immediately starting hostilities because both sides are actively ready for them, they are ready, and i think that china will put pressure on the authorities and which is in taiwan so that they do not take such steps, namely the declaration of independence, in order to provoke such a conflict and taiwan is also actively studying the experience of the war in ukraine, where a large army stands against a small army. taiwan and china are studying the experience of the russian-ukrainian war very carefully. oles koval, member the board of the ukrainian association of chinese studies was a guest on our airwaves, ivan wants a small one, but the army

is one of the largest in the world there, well, the army is over a million, if i’m not mistaken, there is a powerful army . in the whispers of georgia in ukraine in the 5-10th years, e.p. on the public and just right uh, when putin makes a speech, makes this decision that the russian troops can, and the russian think that the russian troops can enter the territory of neighboring countries if they want, and we are sitting and mr. korchylava says listen , and we have to go to kyiv in tanks for a few hours, and we saw that yes, it really took a few hours to go to kyiv, the truth was that i did not reach kyiv, but the residents of buchi saw russian tanks, so it was actually a day and that the first day of the invasion

of russia began, because the tanks drove to kyiv after 8 years. in fact, you know that in the moment of the 14th year when you and i were discussing and now there are slightly different situations. unfortunately, i remember this situation when i worked at the public sector at that time, and i often said that in ukraine, many people do not expect putin to do what he is ready to do, and we worked at espresso was also constantly turned on and i could see the cramping of the bench. they invited us to the studio. back then, it was still such a luxury to invite guests to the studio to meet them in person. now we meet more often online. today, a member of the people's deputy of ukraine and a member of the delegation at the negotiations with russia to suppress the arkhamia contributed to the fact that georgia did not receive the status of a candidate for the eu, the prime minister of georgia irakli

garibashvili unexpectedly announced this in the georgian parliament , the publication of the agenda writes about this and notes hryboshvili that arahamiya e persuaded european and american partners not to grant georgia the status of a candidate for membership in the european union accused the georgian government of circumventing the sanctions imposed against russia for the invasion it is worth saying what do you think about this discussion, what does the head of the servant of the people faction in the parliament of ukraine really have to do with not granting the status of a candidate to georgia which is expected to happen in these days according to the conclusion of the european commission, although it is possible that the scenario may still develop otherwise, let's talk about it now , and who is to blame for the fact that the european commission did not gave a positive conclusion to georgia, please do not give a

positive assessment, of course, the georgian authorities and the demand for the example of kharybashvili will declare in everything mr. arahami, this is just a request to justify his wrong actions, because there is a problem with the supremacy of law, there are problems with certain things, but mr. arahami ’s entry into the discussion is a big one a mistake because a--in fact, the mistress confirmed that he had some kind of relationship, he began to react to it, and this is also a big mistake, he knows there how many strong georgian medical devices have traveled around georgia? i think that the next step is to make the diskobinarchs a technical matter, and you know that. this is not the first such media mistake by mr. arkhamia . своего избирателя, well, in fact, er, er, well, there are things that should not be done, here he did

things, once again he spoke after the fact, he admitted that for the georgian elector, not for the ukrainian, after all, he admitted that he has in this regard, it is not a very good thing , because at the moment, what will happen now as a result of the fact that georgia will not be allowed to apply, and there will be another regional player because, well, we only consider black and white. whether to europe or to russia. and there, in the region of the south caucasus and central asia, things are a little different. very strong, and we know that there was once a will to join the united states and turkey , large projects began to transport caspian resources and from azerbaijan through the territory of georgia to the whole of europe, then

europe . the economy is not considered a part of politics, and therefore it misses these blows once, they definitely also missed a blow on the northern stream, on the northern stream-2, and a section once they missed a blow on these pipelines, and the sofa now. when will it be? otkazano to georgia and well, the summary of the second year is a candidate there, the members will actually step up their game and make themselves a lousy economic regional leader, and further there, from the south caucasus region , food is opened. this is the best key to opening the energy-rich regions of the central in asia, there is still kazakhstan, and their projects have been discussed for many years. and now this will probably be the most favorable situation for turkey in order to become the largest an energy hub in europe. and i want to

ask a little bit about others, about what we actually started . it's very interesting what you're talking about, but there are other points that i wanted to discuss. days in the squares of georgia, actually, actions are taking place all over the country in connection with the definition of the now actually european georgia , such a large-scale action took place in the center of tbilisi on the eve of the decision to grant the status of candidates for the european union in ukraine to moldova and georgia and such shares eh the day before, tens of thousands of people went out to various cities, in particular near the parliament building. in the center of the georgian capital, they also gathered, and for tomorrow, the following actions were announced for june 24, when the final decision regarding the granting of candidate status to three countries is directly expected. the annihilated and the annihilated

were called the main problem on the way to the eu and in the european union itself, i would like to hear your opinion, mr. korchelava, how does the internal political situation actually look? there is a problem of the european union in all the last reports of the last years you will change as the informal ruler of georgia and this problem has been known for a long time, but do you understand what it is, the second problem of georgia is that today there is no political system that is a political party that could would replace this so- called georgian dream, the beneficiary of which is the housewives, and many people who understand georgian politics well do not clearly see that people vote for a dream, people they vote against saakashvili's party and the second is some player who can, well , the pro-russian forces in georgia are not there, there is a pro-russian force in the parliament. another one

passes there, not literally 5%. rovenkynov and change the political system at the moment it is almost impossible, what do you hope for, i live in ukraine, i hope that ukraine will receive the status of a member of the eu candidate tomorrow. here's the deal further there they will change the political mood inside the country that we will better become a major drug hub, we will be a rich and civilized country, especially azerbaijan, i say once again that the azerbaijan of the history of karabakh showed all its capabilities after that when most of it was there the territory of karabakh was returned to azerbaijan for transportation, this is a very important example for georgians, they also have a painful history with territorial integrity, and europe is now playing a game about it already

georgians directly say that when we fought with the russians, no one wandered around the sanctions, no one helped us with anything, and everyone told us that we were to blame, well, for that, we insulted the georgian society . if europe loses this european fordpost in the region of the south caucasus and central asia, then europe will be very painful from its decisions. decisions about the strengthening of the role in the region then , no one paid attention to it, now they do not pay attention to turkey, the temporary authorities , which are starting to strengthen in this region and become a key player, and we will not forget. well, who has seen the map? you know that this is another plus to everything the caspian region is very rich sometimes with resources that

are unique and can be an alternative to russia you talk or talk, and these plans existed there a long time ago, when they were supported by the americans and the americans don’t care who to play with. gaza is beginning to be overcompensated through these pipelines and canapes a-a how many years ago a railway was opened from er-er turkey and azerbaijan through the other turkey, which somehow er-er accelerated