what changed us, the date that changed the world and now. what interests us most is our victory, when we defeat the enemy, so predict the course of the war. conclusions, do you want to know how what is happening today will affect our tomorrow, watch the saturday political club, what saturdays , the nespresso program, the verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko, everyone, have a good day and good health today is the 120th day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people against the russian occupiers today in brussels the historic summit of the european union is taking place 27 member countries of the

european union must answer whether ukraine and moldova receive candidate status meanwhile the russians continue their offensive on severodonetsk and lysychansk the enemy is attacking also mykolaiv, odesa, sumy oblast, dnipropetrovsk oblast, in almost all southern and eastern regions shelling of populated areas of ukraine is underway, while the occupiers continue to lose forces and live equipment since february 24, the enemy has already lost almost 34,000 people in ukraine, 15 tanks, 3,632 armored combat vehicles, 756 artillery systems, 238 rocket salvo systems, 99 anti-aircraft defense systems, 216 aircraft, 183

helicopters, 2,548 units of automotive equipment, 14 ships, boats - 130 winged aircraft missiles - 620 drones, 61 units of special equipment today about ukraine in the european union, as well as the prospects of ukraine's integration into the north atlantic alliance and russia's conflict with let's talk about lithuania with our guest, a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr ogrizm mr. volodymyr good day good health and i congratulate you on this historic day for ukraine i hope it will become historic i congratulate you mr. serhiy good health and to you and all our dear viewers , i also think that today we are on the threshold of a historic event that should happen a little later this day or maybe tomorrow morning. although i think that the decision will be made today and that's it

indeed, what will be included in the textbooks, i think history , because right now the final final separation of ukraine from the post-soviet past is happening right now we are crossing the line that will forever cut us off from what is called the russian world so that there and how moscow didn't seem like they were spewing saliva but it's already forever, because today i think there will be a holiday behind the threshold, there will be grief well, but this is an objective fact and thank god that those who tried all 30 years to us prevent doing everything and a decisive step today in a historic defeat , they are in the dustbin of history, they are not those who look to the

future - they are those who look to the past well, i mean, in ukrainian, we have to find our sleeves despite the fact that this terrible war is going on and you know that you are now counting the losses of the enemy mr. serhiy, yes , for each of them, the heroism of our fighters is a mushroom of our military, it’s not just that 215 planes were destroyed there, these are the heroic actions of our military pilots, our gunners, and our rocket launchers, this is what really people help our army to she multiplied these numbers and in order to end this

enemy in the end. of the special assignments of the euro-atlantic integration management of the mfa of ukraine, if i am not mistaken, if i am wrong, correct me, and you took care of the issues of euro-atlantic integration in this process, in the process of ukraine's movement to the european union, there were different periods, now we well, on the threshold of the european union, let's explain to our viewers what ukraine's candidacy in the european union means and what period this candidacy can take in this process, and you're right, mr. serhiy, i was just on special errands, who took care of european integration issues, but this this topic is close to me from the inside, actually, in the 1990s, when i

worked in the administration of president kuchma, and we took care of foreign policy issues , it was then that we took the first but very important steps to advance to nato, although at that time, prytulu did not see too many of us among its members, but besides that, it was then that we started this process, so it is already 25 years old, thank god, and now we are getting closer to what will actually have historical significance and which will have not only political significance and the meaning is practical for us and for all ukrainians. what does this mean in real life? it means that we will be considered by the european union as its potential member as a country that after a certain period of time is on any membership, what needs to be done for this

you know that the european commission as a compromise between those who demanded among the europeans to grant ukraine status without appeal, that is, without any conditions, and those who said that well, you know, there is still a lot to be done, the european commission found, uh, it seems to me to be an absolutely optimal compromise and they said that we recommend granting the status. but the start of accession negotiations is postponed until ukraine fulfills these listed seven points. because these are the things we have been talking about for years, if not decades, isn't it in the interests of ukraine to finally deal with the ukrainian corruption? isn't it in the interests of ukraine

to deal with the ukrainian judicial system from which everyone is fleeing foreign investors, don't we need to finally return to the topic and the rule of law as such in our country. that is, these are the things that we must do for ourselves, it's not for the european commission, it's for us , so i think that those are tasks which are our own officials from the european commission have prescribed it. this is to our advantage, it will help us become better and start negotiations. well, the first, so to speak, revision of this process will take place at the end of the year. i am very glad that our vice-premier from there are questions on european integration, ms. olga stefanyshina clearly and rather ambiguously stated that by the end of the year we will fulfill all these points, i will tell you

frankly, i will stand and applaud if, er, mr. volodymyr, we will now listen to olga stefanyshina, who is talking about this. also let's listen to the layer for michela, who says that he is optimistic about the european perspective of ukraine, let's listen, my country is a candidate, we get access to the structural funds of the european union. this is absolutely immeasurable compared to what we had before. funds that will not be fully directed to the restoration of the reconstruction of ukraine and the construction of a sustainable of a competitive economy today we are talking about the actual hundreds of billions of euros that will become available to us after receiving this status, my intention is that we provide a candidate entry status for ukraine and moldova, of course, they still need to ensure the rule of law and fight corruption. ukrainians chose freedom

, democracy and the european future. they are fighting for it right now and we are on their side. well, seven demands , or simply put, seven blocs articulated by the european union. i will now remind our tv viewers because you , mr. volodymyr, have already partially voiced them and yet what do these seven blocks look like, this is the implementation of legislation regarding the procedure for selecting judges of the constitutional court, the completion of the selection of candidates to members of the high council of justice and the selection of candidates for the high qualification commission of judges of ukraine strengthening the fight against corruption appointing new heads of the special anti-corruption prosecutor's office and the special anti-corruption national anti-corruption bureau e-e ensuring compliance with the legislation on the fight against money laundering e-e to introduce an anti- oligarchic law to adopt a law about the snake that will bring ukraine closer to european legislation for your reform of the legislation on the protection of national minorities.

blocs, ukraine has long been able to fulfill, well , at least. over the past three years, they have been constantly talking about the need to appoint heads of the national anti-corruption bureau and about the rotation of judges and about judicial reform. why are ukrainians always waiting for this magic trick to do what, in principle, is in the interests of all ukrainians society and not in the interests of only the european union here. i think that it is necessary, this task must be directed to our authorities because the ukrainian i think sincerely uh, we would like that uh, they finally, they really deserve to live the way the countries of the european union live, but why do the authorities not want this to happen and why do they invent any reasons to bypass all these things, this is really a matter for the authorities, but you know i

i think that after this decision is passed today or tomorrow, the ball will be completely , truly completely on the side of ukraine, and if the government fails to do what is written in these seven points, to group all these points, then two things about e- e reform of judicial reforms about the reform of the anti-corruption judicial system well, plus there is also a small addition, the so-called legislation in the field of human rights. although i think that it is not enough, in which european country does the titular nation have fewer rights than national minorities? well, that's why we we are talking about the fact that it should have been implemented a long time ago and it is not implemented, not because the people do not want it, but because the authorities, knowing that the implementation of these reforms will

actually mean the end of corruption, the end of what is called well, the use of power is for selfish purposes. it is precisely because of this that she did not want to make appropriate decisions for years, although look at mr. serhiy. we also have an association agreement in the same place. gsaven is simple for us. well, as they say, the european commission will give it to us in the same way that they prescribe points for us, friends and colleagues. please, you have to do this. this. this. let's talk about what the question is now it will be about the government or she will really

demonstrate that she is european and that she wants real changes in ukraine or then well, this issue will be decided by the ukrainian civil society, but we know how it traditionally solves it well, especially against the background of the war and against the background of what price is being given to us, this movement towards european integration is meant starting from 2014. however, before the summit that is to be held in brussels today, the prime minister of albania, eddie rama , says that ukraine should have no illusions about er, the acquisition of membership in the european union north macedonia has been a candidate for 17 years, if i'm not mistaken albania 9 we welcome ukraine it's good to give a candidate, but i hope that the people of ukraine will not have big illusions about this well, we know that turkey finds a state er has been

in this status for 13 years, since 1999, we know that montenegro since 2010, serbia since 2012 , albania since 2014 . deputy head of the security council of the russian federation, dmytro medvedev, says, well, while there, ukraine will join the european union, the european union will cease to exist. can we as an expert pass this candidacy and be a much faster member of the european union than albania or north macedonia simply provides

opportunities for its candidates during a reasonable the period of time acquired membership really has such a concept, a reasonable period, that is, when, well, it cannot be measured by a centimeter, because each country is an individual case and here you need to take individual steps, but there is a positive logic, well , the admission process cannot last 30 years true well, then he loses his sense, but on the other hand, if we look at these candidates, then, apparently, not everything happens with them as it is written in these very copenhagen criteria, it is another thing that he himself the european union creates problems for entry because it still has the principle

of unanimity when accepting foreign policy and i am very happy because now practically a discussion has begun regarding the fact that some postulates that have been valid throughout the existence of the european union will have to be abandoned. and by the way, that topic quite frankly, the chancellor of germany, scholz, is not the last member of the european union, who said that we really should reform the ic before ukraine and other members join it, because what we watching now reminds me, to be honest, the people without the un or the osce when it is impossible to make a decision because there is at least one member who will always say no, and by the

way, the latest events around the sixth package of sanctions have shown that if we have a european trojan horse in the european union, so he will always say no, and in this way it will either be delayed or will not be adopted in principle. well , i think it is important to support those europeans who want to change the rules of the game in the eu otherwise, we will be hostages of one or another political ambitions and not the interests of the union in relation to ukraine, you know. well, with the enthusiasm with which we took on, let's say, such an important document . our government officials were able to successfully

fight him, so to speak, well, it inspires hope if we demonstrate in these six months that we really do not only talk but also act and these actions will be adequate and they will be such that you can simply measure and to say so, really ukraine - that's all, next year can be the year of the start of negotiations, this does not mean at all that it is an easy process, there are 30 before this one that must be closed, and each file is a very deep penetration, so to speak, of the city on european legislation in the first place turn and now you are showing the parliament, so it is on the parliament that the greatest load will be placed on it, because we need to really adapt ukrainian legislation to the european one, without this we cannot move forward. that is, we have to to create real cooperation mechanisms on the basis of this legislation, it is very good that we are not starting from

scratch because the association agreement gave us already gave us a very big positive in that we already have certain visa-free and it is very good because we are already part of the way we are de facto passing, but it really can stretch, well, at least for a few years. i don't think it's about decades, some er say er in western europe. i think it's years , but er, such limited years. certain numbers, everything depends on us as soon as we demonstrate that we want and can, well, the door will not be closed to us, and this is evidenced by today's decision of the european parliament, because the european parliament gave 459 votes for the adoption of a resolution calling on the heads of state and

government of the european union countries to grant ukraine the status of a candidate member of the european union . we are talking about our european integration aspirations and aspirations, we cannot but mention russia here, because we remember how in 2013 viktor yanukovych and the government of mykolayev azarov refused european integration in as a result of the emergence of euromaidan, then the revolution of dignity, as a result, we received associate membership, and in principle, what russia piskov is saying today suggests that we should pay more attention to the european union, because there is a discussion in europe about strengthening the defense component of the european union, military defense and security in the russian ministry of foreign affairs, they say that the latest events affecting

the candidacy of ukraine and moldova are machinations and combinations of a provocative and destructive nature at the same time, putin says that it is a sovereign decision of the country to join economic associations or not, it is the business of economic associations to receive new countries or not, he is redundant we were never against it well, putin is lying openly that they were never against and he understands that when ukraine and moldova also receive the status of candidates, it will mean the collapse of another mini-soviet union, which he wants to revive, which he declares , and i understand that by the centenary of the ussr, he would like to present this mini to his internal audience soviet union. what do you think about this situation ? is this our final farewell to russia and the legacy of the soviet union? well, it turns out that

we were in the soviet union for a long time, then we left the soviet union, but we were still in the orbit of the russian federation. which was and remains the heiress of the soviet union, do we put a cross on the, relatively speaking, the eastern direction, which constantly pulls us back to the last time, the historical day that this cross will finally be placed , and you know, mr. serhiy, i think that he has putting the cross is not as formal as it is in the cities of all our citizens, because unfortunately there are still quite a number of those who, until the 24th, were at least nostalgic for the soviet union, then remembered the sausage 2.20 are there

potatoes for 8 kopecks each and so on, that is, we must hold the last revolution in our cities and if it does not happen, there will always be those who will say that we are doing something wrong we are not going there, but the ussr was great and we had a good time in it, actually you know because of that to me it seems er well, although it is small, but still er, well, a noticeable fate of collaborators who are moving to the highest echelons of power. look at some of the former deputies and some of the current deputies. look at the spies who are sitting in the government apparatuses of other structures . this all indicates that these are people who, well, maybe

just bought, but some go to it's for ideological reasons, that's why i think that putin he can say everything now. he lied, he lies, and he has to lie for a certain period until he has the opportunity , but the situation will not change from that, piskov's statement that it is necessary to study that it can turn into some kind of military defense, not only the economic union, well, it’s just uh, that delusion that you don’t need to pay attention to, because in fact, all these statements have no position, they uh, understand that the train has left, and they already uh, have nothing to do with this train, that is, and how do they there they say behind the ledge, what is the problem with the beginning, that is, now we are with moldova but i still believe that at some point the pro-russian georgian government will go down in history and georgia will definitely return to the

european union and nato and this will mean that gradually from this russian neo- empire such pieces will be broken off, well, ukraine is the largest, moldova is small, georgia is small, but look at what happened at the st. petersburg economic council, when even an ally of putin, kazakhstan, in the person of the president, is like that, in fact, excuse me for the words, weaken it means that er, here is the prospect of this er, illusory reconstruction of the ussr, but it is not perceived by anyone, not even the opponents of all this, like in ukraine, there in moldova , georgia, er, not even by the allies . does not mean that, by the way, the belarusians are responsible for this, well, you

understand, mr. sergey, objectively, we are at the finish line , and now it will not be about how long this empire will last, after what the whole world said, second comrade putin, you recalculated recalculated in all parameters and now you will pay for those crimes and crimes committed by the russian federation, the judge in the world and ukraine - this is georgia - this is moldova, this is syria, and many, many other things that have happened in recent decades committed er, as one of your colleagues says, er, the russian fascist federation, that is, er, that is why i think that we are now really saying goodbye forever to this postovian past, it will no longer exist. as i think, there will also be no prospect of that world evil that today represents the russian federation

federation well, mr. volodymyr, when you talked about that the train has already left and russia will not stop it, er, i would say this, paraphrasing you, that russia is still pushing this train er, well, that's how it turns out. because starting from 2014, this process, or even from 2008 , from georgia, that russia was doing everything in order for the european union to move further to the east, for the countries that were once part of the orbit of interests of russia to want to join the european union, for the northern countries of finland, sweden to join nato, well, in short, they did everything so that the world moved and europe moved away from of the russian federation last week we also took another step away from moscow, as khvylovy wrote europe or russia, the choice was like that in

the 30s of the last century, but we made another one, we introduced visas for russians well, well, i'm interested in your opinion. at the current stage, could we act even more harshly towards the russians, that is, completely ban them from entering ukraine, because it seems to me that this is an opportunity to come here with visas, it is still also an opportunity for russians to enter the territory of the ukrainian state. maybe even through er belarus or even a belarusian passport er well, you know there are already examples of this, but now er today there was information that the ministry of foreign affairs in the czech republic announced that visas should be issued to er russians at least until er the middle of the 23rd year there will be er exceptions will take place only in the case when it comes to some kind of vacation, that is, this

can also happen although on the other side of the boarding house, our border guards are now saying that er, the practical number of russians who cross the border are calculated by some i didn't understand any units in principle , there is no current flow of people across the border and we cannot be. i think that this step is definitely late, it should have been introduced in the 14th year