all my friends will strengthen this connection even more, because they love ukraine both in terms of personalities and in these speakers who address them. therefore, you know, it is very important to keep this connection despite the fact that we already have good political and diplomatic connections. thank you, mrs. evgenia , an extremely important and inspiring interview. and of course, your investigations are powerful, and we appreciate and are glad that, despite the fact that this is such a terrible topic, the world knows about it and sees it. evgenia klochko, a journalist, is important to convey to the world the investigator and producer of documentary films itvnews was in touch with us and right now we are moving on and we are talking with our guests, i will introduce them for now while we are introducing these guests yevgen makh de director of the institute of world politics oleg saakya co-founder of the national platform dialogue about

peace and safe reintegration, contact us. if there are speakers, i ask them to show our dear directors, if we can already start communication that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy intends to dismiss ivan bakanov from the post of the head of the security service of ukraine due to a series of unsuccessful operations of losses in kherson, this is the own information of politico, which refers to its own sources, according to the publication, due to failures and losses in kherson, bakanov fell out of favor with zelenskyi and the political publication writes that now the president of ukraine seeks to replace baka with someone more suitable, well, let's remind you that baka actually came under a flurry of criticism from those close to him

to zelensky's people after the invasion of ukraine on february 24, since, according to the ukranian pravda publication, in particular, the head of the security service of ukraine was unable to adequately cope with new challenges, so let's hmm listen to our guests and maybe we'll start with yevhen magde p yevhen, what can we say about this announcement of an epic separation and what exactly became the actual cause of the probable regime, what tendencies does it show ? entrance, if the servant of the people in the office of the president and in the party believe that everyone has complete amnesia and people simply do not remember where mr. bakanov came from, then you can very quickly recall the story of how he

was given the rank of junior lieutenant in order to be appointed head of the sbu and the case of the wagnerites and mr. naumov, who is currently sitting in a serbian prison and i don't know, i think that he is being persuaded there to at least testify about a lot of interesting things. and you know, it's very complicated, i don't know how european euro-atlantic integration it must be difficult when the former head of security of the special service finds himself in a foreign car with several hundreds of thousands of dollars or euros , i don't remember. but the precious stones of the desire to turn bakanov into a shooter well, it is completely in the spirit of volodymyr zelenskyi's team, there is nothing surprising in this, but if the policy was written about it well, i think that this is true. i would say the realities that will be in the near future, well, you know how in the

soviet era, in the soviet union, they said , really, really, in ratna, there will be otaki in the newspaper, well prominent politicians who rely on sources in zelenskyi's entourage well, let's not forget about volodymyr zelenskyi's supporters, that's why there are problems and they are not only in bakanov, i will say yes although he deserves the people, this is also a fact unfortunately here in this story there is nothing good for ukraine, but i would like to hope that a specialist will come to his place in the conditions of war in 4 months after the start of the war, but this specialist is again, according to the laws of the series, the servant of the people must like the president, what else can i say, that is let's continue oleg saakyan p. olezhe, the ukrainian media these weeks wrote about the fact that the

situation in the banking industry has changed a lot since the beginning of the war. that actually volodymyr zelenskyi no longer tries to surround himself with former friends, on the contrary, they go into the shadows and no longer influence anything, except by approval er, by the actors themselves, this happened to the long-time friend and assistant of the president, serhiy shefir, and instead of ex-friends, the president’s entourage includes real negotiators with the west and the military. do you observe such a trend and who is now the main one in zelenskyi's entourage, well, of course, probakanov's politician is your opinion, please, who is the main one? i think it's clear that yarmak didn't go anywhere, but about friends and a certain rotation. yes , it is being observed. whether it is systemic in nature is difficult to say so far, but the situation with bakanov is like on me ot mr. yevhen said that there is nothing good for me, there is one good point in

that if zelenskyi really makes this decision in this case, he is departing from the principle of sticking to his issues to the last nuba within the team, there are questions about the first days of the beginning of the war, and there are questions about the general state of the security service of ukraine was and is at the beginning of the war, how did it react, in particular, this question is not only kherson, kharkiv oblast, if it was said where the liberation took place, it is also azov these are many other points throughout ukraine and in the way the security service responded and how ready it was for those challenges that interest us, although it was clear for several months which specialized services should be prepared, the sbu knew for sure and accordingly, in these circumstances, to get rid of bakanov is to move away from this principle of sticking to one's own, and this is positively another matter of who will come to the place if someone from one's own also comes, because then, uh, my optimism is premature if someone really comes from the system people who will be able to clean these

archival stables, then in this case we will be able to say that the line, for example, by the appointment of zuluzhny and others, it has been extended and we really see a new quality, in any case, the war ends at a certain moment for zelensky, the test will be that zelensky commander-in-chief zelensky post -war should be, let’s say, this transformation has the right to happen like butterflies and zelensky after the war, he will not be able to afford what he did as a pre-war zelensky, and if all these steps lead us there to a more professionally oriented purpose for positions, then there will be an evolution in this, if not, well, then we will see that this is just another really appointment of a flail , and the rotation of er-e myasolagaemyh from which the sums will not change in particular er-e also then let's let's also comment. recently, there have been a lot of, let's say, discussions of different

information. what are the specifics of the ukrainian media sphere, especially now in the conditions of the military censorship that has not been officially announced. this is because we have a million different telegram channels, a million different youtube channels e which on which these or other advisers speak millions of different departments which have a million fragments of different information or not we don’t know so in the light of flowers in the information field advisers of the bank the advisers of the head of the president's office actually exchanged such dives with each other, mr. danilov, the secretary of the national security council, and mr. podolyak, who is the voice of the president's office. they give some different arachamia, again, we have epoch-making ones from time to time make statements about

what or whether this is a well-thought-out policy or whether it will be harmful or whether it is actually useful for the government why does it take so long let's say that by the way of the day, we wrote about this to radio svoboda, and right away it tried to figure out what is the role of the bank in general for the arrestee leshchenko, what is wrong with their statements, what roles do they perform, for whom are these statements intended, for whom do they work, and what is important for ukrainian society, because they coordinate them among themselves, because well, the story with danylov and er, it allows us to assume that not everything is very amicable between them and they do not coordinate anything among themselves, and even in public are carrying out some scandals of their own, which happen behind closed doors at a much higher speed, probably more successful, so seriously , we have to devote at least 5 minutes of our airtime to this, so mr. yevgeny, you have a word, what do you

think about this, what is the role of bank advisors and their statements, the first in us in the country, instead of the power of the councils, which was built in the soviet union for 70 years, now the power of the councilors is an imitation of violent activity . therefore, it is at least incorrect, danilov was appointed by a presidential decree, his official duties are somehow defined. and where are the powers of his adviser determined, apart from the order of the head of the president's office, which competition did he take? he is simply his fate at the end of the ink or ballpoint pen of the person who signs the order and such advisers you can click, you know, like on a conveyor belt , a class, a class, a class, who will tell about everything and seem to be responsible for everything, they create the illusion that the government can react to everything, the government to

but since we have a government of advisers, we will try to oppose criticism with questions. the first question is the main thing. why are we on the air together? military events are practically not commented on. professional military personnel do not talk about active ex-combatants during the 8 years of war. we have a cohort of people who can talk about it is to speak professionally, to speak in an understandable language and to inspire confidence in yourself, why is colonel arestovych of the armed forces of ukraine never a lieutenant colonel, please, never appears in uniform and i can answer you here, it is not difficult to guess that he may appear in uniform only when it will be necessary to criticize the military more actively from a political point of view. i hope that it will not come to this, but it is quite likely that further , with russian money, the official liaison

officer of the president's office can conditionally hold a briefing at 8 p.m. and on the 21st feditas on the full program for me well, this is nonsense, i have always consistently advocated the creation of a single voice where in our government we have a single voice even when even our numerous advisers are there well, they are on their telegram channels these are waterproof in order to put his own something or the same gerashchenko who was in such a hurry to inform about the consequences of the russian air raids that he actually framed people and this is called the state information policy, i can remember only very old jokes, these people forbid me to compensate in the nose seriously one of the most recent statements actually, the adviser to the head of the president's office

, he postponed an interview with the babel publication, hey, i read last night that podolyak says that in the near future, in the near future, there will be a war with russia against ukraine may end due to internal instability in the russian federation. well, this is extremely interesting because just a few days ago, the prime minister of great britain, boris johnson, announced that a long, exhausting war awaits us, that the war has entered a protracted phase, putin's press secretary piskov even admitted that the war will be long. and the prime minister of the netherlands called on his citizens to tighten their belts because the world must prepare and the pockets of europeans are also under attack. he is talking about the fact that we all have, we will all feel the consequences of this war and we all have to prepare to donate, here's how to evaluate these comments, who

are they intended for, how professional are they, what is the purpose of the statements . i did not put it now with the great johnson and other international speakers, after all, the weight is different, absolutely all the statements are in dissonance, and danilov himself has to comment on the delica, it’s not us, if we create this and this comparison, it is very dissonant many statements and we can even take the statement of our western special services, we can take it at the beginning when we have to surrender there in three days, and ours , on the contrary, gave information, we can take where ours were given in the barbell and the westerners are preparing, western politicians work for their own societies or relay in this case simply reinforces the propagandist generative which is one of the narratives that advances all that russia will sprinkle and there is absolutely nothing new here

ideas here and there, let's say agreed upon, but mostly how many criminal ideas are not so many, we can look at the editorial policy because of the single marathon, we can look at the statements of various speakers from the bank as a whole, we will see that there are not so many agreed theses. and when they are not agreed, then who cares he will lose his head and he will say that's why the policy of one voice is completely absent here as a phenomenon, i don't think that it would exist at all in this case. maybe in our country from the point of view of the institutional base, i'm not sure that we are ready for the policy of a single voice, they failed to agree on this criticism during the eight years of the war, and if in the 14th year it is like this 22 every year, it is zelenskyi's team that emerges from the other side, it is not set up to play systemic politics, they play more in information technology, and if to play a purely informational game. well, in today's day of such postmodern politics, he does not foresee that anton gerashchenko will really be the first to run in order to inform the victim of information, or anything to win his 30 seconds of attention

society, and therefore here, let's say, any subject who wants to simply pass on today's information flow and he will do it . it is important for them to jump off as soon as possible at a certain moment when they are drinking, otherwise they will be used, because it is all, well, talking years of one-time use, in fact, each of them at the moment becomes completely spent material mr. yevhen is right, because these are advisers. and who is an adviser, well, rank-and-file traitors, in general, one letter , the only difference is that he took it, then added it with the same ballpoint pen, and everything was intended. from podolyak, you can always say well, listen, it wasn't the press secretary of the president who said it, it wasn't the secretary, he was the one who said it, it wasn't the president who said it, but who is the advisor, and the advisor of the head of the president's office, who is the

head of the president's office, what are the international powers politics safety of work by the special services no, yes, i 'm sorry, it's the third person, or rather the second person in the vertical of people irresponsible for anything, informally, responsibly, well, all bribes are smooth, as they say. advisers to the ministers at each of the stages we have advisers well, in addition, there are other elements that are more systemic. and this is a lack of professional people in the system. started the war and volunteer foundations, they are also not ready to go inside the system, that is why we often see professional people as a result, all advisers and unofficially appointed persons. thank you zelenskyi for the alkaline reznikov danilov, we trust the official e-e balanced and responsible comments above all and orient ourselves in

information field thank you to our guests evgeny mag de director of the institute of world politics oleg sahakyan political scientist co-founder of the national platform dialogue on peace and safe reintegration we actually had guests on the air and commented on the latest news, so right now we are adding to our air kira rudyk, a people's deputy and the leader of the voice party, who is currently in brussels, congratulations to mrs. kira, congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, if i may, i will start with such and such a question, what about such a thing? i like how valery pekar used such a metaphor from an epochal event. we were given the status of a candidate. 27 countries of the european union or the union voted and said yes, this is superova. there are some prerequisites for this. for example conditions, we will talk about it in more detail, but i like what the baker said, he said

imagine that you are from a bad neighborhood, you are a hooligan, you did not study well at school, your parents are alcoholics, you had a difficult childhood and, in principle, you have problems with manners education and with everything in the world, but this happened to you. what did you do in the district? you even saved a child there and did something else . and just like that, i want to take you in from a rich district and give you the opportunity to study at a prestigious university. in oxford, in oxford they took it, but still, we prepared a little there were some textbooks at home, we kept something there, we read it no , somehow, but the question is simply that what the baker says, what is the question what is the beginning, we were only given a chance, but we still need to learn to finish and become a competitive member later you know this area. we are now in such a very

emotional time, a time of analogies. yesterday, a meeting of the leaders of the liberal parties was drunk, at which we did not assure mr. markon and mr. ryute of our support. the other armichel is all people. which contributed to the fact that we got the start of the candidate and we sat completely who says god you will have so many problems from tomorrow and how many problems that need to be solved and i say to him handwriting uh parry you are now talking to me like brides what are you you say, o married women, it will be difficult for you, there will be so many problems, and i tell you that i am in a white dress, i am beautiful, everyone is looking at me, and i have only happiness ahead of me, and he and i laughed and everyone was waiting for us and said, leave it to me, macrono, to make his speech that's why you know analogies very well

a lot is true. i really feel like this woman in a white dress in which everything is ahead, only beautiful things await us, only happiness, only love . they say, oh friends, you are so good. and where they give us a detailed list of what needs to be done and how, where will be the practical things that we will need to take, but i can’t help but be happy, you understand, and for the first time, when i feel the war unconditionally, no, not such a priceless joy for the fact that we now have an understanding that it's not all in vain, yura, if you could see what happened in our editorial office yesterday, every editor felt like a bride, and every journalist editor felt like a

groom you understand, our girls wrote in the editorial chat oh god i congratulate me personally, this is a greeting for me, you understand yes, i am sure, you know i talked to my dad yesterday, he says i am not art, but i want to say i understand that now we have a future and this is for sure even more important and the best thing we can say to each other. we now have not only a struggle against the russian world and for our own survival. and now we have a clear, clear point, the north star to which we are going and we know that it is achievable and we know exactly what to do to achieve it. today i am in brussels for two more days. it will be a lot of fun. from the point of view of digitization

but this is a photo and we will make it eh you know we are not afraid of work yet this is absolutely true but the main thing is that it happened this is a historical event and we are so happy that we are at this point in our history where we are a part of what our country has done eh this step and i am grateful to everyone who participated in it . indeed, yesterday i called the people who started this path. yesterday i spoke with peter oleksiiovych, by the way, and with ivana klymburshtynzad, but what are they, uh, they started this path and they should be like this happy as well as those people who are now in to the authorities before you can even more interesting things , namely about how yesterday you talked with the president of france, the past macron, what the president of the european council charles michel told you

and what happened in general yesterday in the field of making a historic decision in brussels let's listen to what the speaker actually said at the meeting of the european council, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, this is a short direct speech, after that we will return to the studio, i am grateful for the sincere help for the faith in ukraine, in ukrainians, in all of us. i have always said that we ukrainians believe in the european union, although we remained formally in the european union . our country probably had the most flags of the united europe. they were in the hands of our people during the revolution. they were in the hands of our people. in the trenches with in 2014, i believe that the flag of the european union will be in every ukrainian city. which one do we still have to free from the occupation of the russian federation ? well, yesterday i saw your photos with the president of

france, but macron, on your facebook, so what can you tell us about what actually happened yesterday communication in the fields e-e meeting of the council of europe what did european leaders say about ukraine and who in general should we thank for this historic decision e if we talk about europeans then about leaders because well, we see that today dmytro kuleba minister of foreign affairs of ukraine said that we need to thank precisely macron, what is your opinion here , ms. kira, eh, you know, eh, we need to thank the skeptics who at first, eh, denied that ukraine could join and then change their opinion, because our friends have always been our friends and we have always we will also thank you, you know, poland did not have a reservation, and our other allies did not have reservations, and they had such countries as france, the netherlands, denmark, and of course

their conviction. this was a huge diplomatic the task that you see, we all coped with hurray yesterday there was this meeting of the leaders of the liberal parties where mr. macron talked about what challenges europe is currently facing and why he personally believes that it is impossible to find solutions to these challenges within the existing system he spoke very objective things about the fact that it is impossible to solve the energy issue of the energy crisis in europe , despite the fact that there is a war in ukraine, it is impossible to solve the issue of preparing for the heating season, it is impossible to solve the question of where i am going, it is not important to solve the issue of ecology, it is impossible to solve that no refugees, the energy crisis, the food crisis, the infrastructural changes that are currently taking place in europe, and therefore ukraine has a home and should have a say when solutions for

all these challenges are planned, offered and it was resolved and it was. it was a very strong speech . i'm not sure if i recorded it because it was a closed meeting, but he spoke from the heart about the fact that he sincerely believes that ukraine and moldova should be part of solving those problems that are common to everyone . european countries and he talked about how it will be, how he will work to fight for these solutions, we talked about the crisis of populism, about the fact that people believe everything, that there are some simple ways to solve complex problems like uh, stop shooting at putin and that he will stop his aggression, er, many european politicians use these slogans, but it is, uh, but we all understand very well that there are no simple solutions to complex problems, and that is why, of course, my gratitude to mr. macron is huge, i have told him personally, and he once again assured me that with

all the problems we face, we will work with them together and ukraine will be part of the team ukraine has been a part of the team for a year, part of the partnership, what else is important because we have literally two minutes left yesterday, during the actual historic decision, the map of ukraine reddened during the day from air attacks from er alarms, and a number of experts say that the status of a candidate for ukraine is like raising an anchor that has already signaled to russia that it is time to say goodbye to ukraine and whether it will let go aggressor, absolutely no, did you hear that putin said that he doesn't care whether ukraine is in the european union or not? when an aggressor says that he doesn't care, it means only one thing that he feels helpless, that he can't do anything about it. do you know how he will try to enter from the other

side, again from the side where he is comfortable with the power, this means that we must now pay attention to the air signals of air alarms and this means that putin will look for a way to show , first of all, to his internal audience that e despite the fact that ukraine received the status of a candidate, russia still has power over us, this is not true, but he will but he will try to show it, and we should expect that such attempts will be well, what about 45 seconds, then about seven steps for ukraine's seven blocs of reforms will there be enough political will to implement changes? two weeks ago, i would not have believed that we would vote for the istanbul convention . now i am sure that we can do everything, and we can now. it is important not to lose this momentum, not to lose this progress, not to lose this energy. we will talk about this motivation, which everyone has now, only 40 years separate us from the european union, that is

not much . a few moments, but only for more hot information, more relevant, more important, our colleague iryna koval is ready to present a fresh news release from the espresso editorial office, colleagues, thank you for your word, maria, so i will tell you in more detail about the situation in the east of the country, because it is very hot there right now in ukraine, ten o'clock in the morning in st