goodbye to the empire, unwashed russia is happening. the era of relations between ukraine and the eu began after a full-scale attack by russia already on february 28. volodymyr zelenskyy , together with the prime minister and the chairman of the verkhovna rada, sent an application for joining the eu. the european parliament supported the majority of it, and the european commission sent ukraine a questionnaire. the external state of affairs in the state, which kyiv filled in record time, ukraine felt the support of four powerful european states at once, in particular the support of our year, the european union, italy romania, france, germany, with us, of course , all relevant procedures must be completed, all countries, all eu members must join, however, after acquiring the candidate status, many years of reforms in the sphere of the supremacy of the law of democracy, combating corruption must be passed. lithuania took four years to do this. turkey is a candidate since 1999 the ukrainian authorities, in the person of president zelensky

, right now, promised the leaders of the eu states that we will make reforms, the essence of european integration is to change the country and this reforms are being made, we are returning, actually , this kind of plot is good, but we really need journalists, espresso , actually, about how they are going for a long time well , they finally said that in the words of lermontov, goodbye no, russia is a country of slaves, putin's country, well, but russia does not want us let go and uh, they really don't want to let us go, uh, and that's why this is this war. well, we understand why russia so wants to release ani's video to ani moldova . i like this whole process in the kremlin now

we see that this morning the head of the russian foreign ministry, sergey lavrov, already complained that the authorities of moldova are trying to achieve the cancellation of everything russian . using the example of ukraine, he told the belarusian media about this and says that he himself signed the law that there will be no more news from russia in moldova. it is very sad to remind you that on wednesday, the law banning the broadcasting of russian news came into force. and lavrov sometimes says that moldova is actually turning into a second ukraine, that the west is contributing to this - it sounds threatening, to be honest we will talk about this in a moment with a journalist from moldova, well, now georgian journalist nina helladze is on the call, congratulations ms. nina a-a glory to ukraine good day glory to the heroes good day thank you for joining our broadcast tell us in what language will we communicate or can you

understand ukrainian or can you address it in ukrainian and first of all i'm sorry i will speak in russian unfortunately my ukrainian is not very good eh we will use why the enemy against the enemy and i want to start with congratulations, i congratulate ukraine and moldova on the status of a candidate for this church, which our country has strived for together for years. unfortunately , georgia, which was considered the leader in this trio , is one step behind us. i hope that this is one step and the mood is not quite festive . we receive the congratulations of the vice-president of the european commission of disgusting european writers, but there are also the words that it is necessary to continue the reforms, it is necessary to work on a huge polarization of the country and in this of course, the opposition must participate in the process, but the main word is for the right-wing party, which, according to experts,

does not fully understand the current situation according to all public opinion polls, so that it is clear to your audience that support for georgia's entry into the eu exceeds 80% of the country's citizens , the georgian people have lost european values ​​for centuries and promoted the ideas of the raivist of tolerance back in the 12th century with this i want to convey to your audience that european values ​​and for european values ​​people will go out into the streets of the country to the city active what are the social or economic problems of which we have more than enough ? eh, people living in the midst of dividing

people cannot go to the cemetery, visit the gray fields and so on. we remember historically and er, plus a huge wave of disinformation is added, which just populates every day she betrayed georgia, it's not true, you can't believe it, we know that we have problems in our country and we have to work with these problems, the european union helps us in this, it is these factors and many others that affect the people of georgia and they will act and defend the idea of ​​european

integration, and i will say right away that a huge action will take place today , and it has been announced in tbilisi, in different cities of georgia, and europe, and the action will begin at 20:00 otbilisko time, in support of the european invasion, the judge according to the experience of june 20 , which carried a very symbolic character, on the one hand, defending the european idea, and on the other hand, reminding us of what happened three years ago, the so -called nochkavrylova, when the people of the country went out on the street to oppose the arrival of the russian deputy gavrilov in the parliament of georgia and then reminded that during this protest the government of the country used rubber bullets, tear gas and so on, based on the experience of june 20, a few days ago. when it was displayed on the main avenue of the country, tens of thousands of people came out .

i can say that there was such a large-scale action . in order to achieve this goal, we must act. we have specific recommendations, and from the european union, there are 12 points that we must carry out reforms at a specific time, and we simply do not have time to waste now. well, in fact, there is no time, so it is exactly the same in ukraine ukrainians not only do we have little time to act, but we are still in the state of a large- scale war. i want to say that our political commentators here in ukraine often talk about what is real

reasons why georgia refused, because we see that georgia has achieved much more success in terms of economic reforms. well, for example, georgia's gap in the index of economic freedom from ukraine we understand that there is another factor, well, actually, we are burning about the fact that, well, not with it, not with it, not with this cabinet of ministers, not with this, eh, not with this government, ah, and but eh and that's why the first question is whether it's because in 14-13 true, in 2013, it all started because the ukrainian society was not ready for the collapse of the hope for rapprochement with europe. of course, it was not because georgia alone, on the contrary, took another step closer. but we understand this, but from the

other side . they can glue the protests to something bigger , and i will carefully ask the second thing . and can there still be a geographical factor ? geographical factor about it factore, we have been actively hearing it lately. this is true, and one of the main leaders of the stramir macron reminded the factor about this a few days ago, but based on the fact that georgia has already signed the e- this is a document on association with the european union, and we are actively carrying out reforms, if we follow the recommendations of this document, and the geographical factor may

not be entirely decisive, then what concerns the political factor and the cabinet minister is, of course, a more legitimate question, and we are following the answers k to the word of the conditions of fonderline, which writes actively that she called the prime minister of the country to meet with her, and unfortunately she was refused her request, as well as we see in the recommendations where the oligarchy is relatively new for our country because it is a problem in our country 10 years ago 12 years ago, it did not stand, that is, based on these specific examples, it is possible to say that the political factor is much stronger than geographically, but it is present

in our country and our people. it's easier than it's easier political unfortunately, ms. nino, it would be interesting to know how the saakashvili factor sounds in tbilisi today in connection with the events in brussels. and protests. and if i understood the question correctly, the saakashvili factor is also very important, and i would add to it the factor. this also released huge passions. as for the saakashvili factor, this is a very complicated factor, and

he could influence it, but in this situation, my opinion does not differ, including the fact that one part of the population supports the justice that they believe came from this decision the other side of the population says that it is impossible for a president who has carried out huge reforms in the country to be imprisoned, plus his murder in a hospital raises questions, where european parliaments are not allowed there were requests to extradite him to ukraine or to transfer his fiancee to european countries , for example, to poland. well, again, the same requests were constantly rejected by countries , that is, the saakashvili factor itself, that he was detained, it exists, but there are also factors that

during the government's detention showed and how she reacted to the international community and to the recommendations of international leaders it will be difficult, but uh, madam, it’s not about how uh , saakashvili feels, in conclusion, is there anything known about his uh-uh condition, because we have uh, together with the beginning of the war, these news somehow took a back seat. we are very active covered it ukrainian media now of course we are mainly busy covering attacks of the aggressor especially on our eastern borders but it is also important to remember that mr.

saakashvili is a citizen of ukraine and he himself regularly его вопрос печать по дрожей the ex-ombudsman of ukraine lyudmila denisova already covered what is saakashvili today what is known i absolutely share your priorities of course the war in the country is um-m this is uh-uh uh-uh i don't know uh- uh circumstances khto konofenno same vremeni probably he will leave very little for other m current news especially in other countries, but the saakashvili factor as you already said, we cannot consider it separately, because if we see the role of russia in the process, russia's interest is observed in the detention of saakashvili what as for his health, at the

moment, there is very little information, and there is very little information because, as i said, the clinic where he is being treated does not allow all of them. there were cases when representatives of the parliament were not allowed. they didn't let in his colleagues from poland and so on, that is, information from the clinic, and the people , the population reaches a very small number, but what we know is that he is still in critical condition, and again there is a recommendation to translate eh into european into каюя либо a european country, plus a special committee was created, a commission that monitors his health, but at the moment he is still

in the hospital. about the prospects of eh, eh, as if for the nearest georgian future, yesterday we included ex-eh, this is still the embassy of georgia, seeing loud noises, and he spoke on our air about the fact that in the near future, we should not wait for significant political developments in georgia трансформация и тем неменев what do people think about it ? separation from russian influence, the only thing that can be clearly said is that the georgian people are looking for and want to find new leaders, and in no case will the polarization decrease if we look for our leaders from

our past because the population of georgia refers very radically to the unified national movement and the georgian dream, therefore, based on the action on june 20, which i already talked about, we did not see politicians there, there were tens of thousands of people , young active leaders spoke, and there were no politicians. this fall corresponds to the desire of the georgian population find new years and uh, so that there were many, and we don't want to have one leader on whom we will put all our problems, we must carry out reforms, for that i will unite the civil society without an active civil society as a community, it will be very difficult for us to carry out reforms and join the european union. it will be very difficult to make forecasts . today's action will be very, very

important, because the mood will be corrected by the correcting party. today 's action can be expected to be problematic. and it may not be as peaceful as the action. june 20, we need to explore our ideas, we need to be active, we have about 6 months to implement our recommendations, but again, the readiness to implement these recommendations is not yet it is not present and it is very difficult to say what will be the reaction of the government of the right-wing party to these recommendations, since we are already observing active criticism against the leaders of european countries . and this is not to our advantage, is it? thank you, ms. nina, and despite all the difficulties, we remember that georgians and ukrainians are the closest friends and brothers from the arms of

russia today we are breaking away together nina khaladze, a georgian journalist was in touch with us on skype and we are going further we are going further to the track of moldova i will do so i hope it will be already roman rousseau, a journalist, the head of the national congress of ukrainians of moldova . conditions to your candidate; on the air, eh. that is, it seems that they gave us this candidacy, but they also let us understand what we have. even such a short homework has not been completed even for the application. and this is something that we will have to complete

literally in the first month despite the war, how is the situation in moldova and also whether it is so much? well, i don't know, because we have despite the war, again, well, very much. of course, every country that takes a certain path to european humanity must do some kind of homework, that is, the moldovan case is not an exception, because you also have many languages ​​that our officials talk about and that certain steps must be taken, that is it is necessary to carry out reforms in the area of ​​justice , internal affairs, the fight against oligarchs and corruption , people's rights, that is, there are certain steps that young people must take in order to bring something

to the european union regarding the second part a of course, there is a certain optimism modem society has a certain reconfirmation that we have, well, we have a way, we have some goal, eh, away. of course, the pro-russian forces are all, well, all kinds of conditions are required , eh, a stagnant moment, that is, spread. because the european union is there, maybe someday you will disappear. but i i am sure that most of the problems of moldova, which share european european desires, but they are still happy and happy. it was such a certain moment yesterday for moldova. membership in ukraine, there are seven steps, seven blocks of reforms, and in moldova, how many and you mentioned the main directions. now we will talk about how it can develop, at what speed

both countries will move, but for now there are at least the same number how much of ukraine are they not outlined by points, there are simply a number of recommendations listed separately by points, that is, there are certain categories, well, there are certain directions, the youth must do certain rabbits , which is to reduce the influence of oligarchs on politics, to reduce, that is, a more transparent system of stock market reforms in the region, well, -e state management reforms in the area, especially attention to corruption, the fight against corruption, e-e reforms in the area of ​​justice , that is, so far, certain areas have been outlined in which we must work out, although these are areas about which this was known. that is, we understood what we were going to talk about. before this candidate status, that is . let's say the painful points that we all knew about.

we actually have a lot in common. well, poland is of course first of all the same as in for moldova - this is obviously romania, but here there are nuances that are very important because we are not poles. well, more precisely, how did i say it incorrectly ? we have more distance from the poles than it seems to me. -and moldovans and romanians, and actually, that's why , you know, i remember a conversation in the early 2000s, where there were many people who were very good at journalists, senior journalists, some of them now, well, it was in particular, but lasers i will already name this name er, what about after that p- she lives in paris and and and she said such an opinion, which i still remember very well, about the fact that moldova will be part of the european union sooner than ukraine.

it is very difficult to plan, but it is now when we reached the finish line but what can it be, as the example of turkey shows, this finish line can also be the finish line with exags and in fact very long, what do you think, who now has it from our two countries, who will be easier to pass this section and what what are the pros and cons of each of the countries, in fact, it is now very difficult to predict, yes, at certain times, we were well thought of as a success story, er, well, the adverb was eastern, especially under er when the association was signed, that is, it was used as er, such a success story, although after that was for some time it became, well, optimism, paul, especially after that, how to go to power with their president, which, well, in the word of a sufficient european mood, it is now again very difficult to predict how

it will go along the first young man arrives enough for such a serious crisis, certain, as it were, full volumes its influence on the moldovan since when autumn autumn winter eh a lot appeared how the next integral cycle will pass in the young i.e. from next year the three-year period of these conditions in the next year will be uh, local elections uh, in a year there will be parliamentary elections in a year, that is, we can change a lot, like the political map of moldova - this can affect how we will be all the steps to europe , that is, a lot depends on uh. at the moment, i think that there is no electric railway between our two countries to step into europe, as we see that we are going with such a joint package of europe, rather because of this because of russian armed aggression against ukraine, because there is a lot in this that

was given to us yesterday, both countries gave bids and such a geopolitical answer to putin that ukraine was for them and europe, or what are the conditional lines of distribution of the spheres of influence that he talked about even before the aggression, they do not exist, that there is someone in the ninth year, europe will not be able to be divided, it is clear, roman, let 's talk about the following on the eve of the meeting of the european council, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, for the first time, at the beginning of the semi -full-scale invasion of russia, spoke by phone with the president of moldova, sanda, and here , hmm, actually, now a visit is planned, sanda to kyiv, however, as experts point out, kishenev's position after the russian invasion caused misunderstanding on the part of kyiv, because moldova immediately announced that it would not introduce economic sanctions against russia. and although it

introduced such basic prohibitions, it did so simply, as internationalists emphasize , it did so unofficially, avoiding inclusion in the russian list of unfriendly states, that is, such balancing is observed. and actually another such issue was the question of supplying weapons to ukraine, and the ukrainians asked for advice. mig-29 fighters that could have been received from the government of moldova, but were refused because chisinau did not want to annoy russia. well, we really hear about this joint track of moldova and ukraine on the way to the eu, that there will be competition between these there is actually a certain difference between the two countries in that there are no active hostilities on the territory of moldova, as it is currently happening in ukraine, but there are also common problems with russian influence and with

moldova in moldova. there is transnistria which is used by putin as a factor of pressure on the entire country, and there is a risk of invasion because military experts constantly say, in particular, that putin does not plan to limit himself to ukraine, that the next one on his list of states that he plans to attack may be moldova. what do citizens and politicians think about this? how acutely do moldovans feel the russian threat and what to do with all this, that is, is it justified now? this is the moderation and balancing that moldova is trying to demonstrate. are there still a number of politicians and activists? which speak of the need for more decisive actions in the conditions that putin has put all of europe in front of, so it is necessary first to understand that what sometimes seems from kyiv to be something moderate or indecisive in moldova

is different, that is, if you compare it with the previous leadership, or it has taken certain steps that for moldovan society still looks more determined and more anti-russian , that is, this fight against propaganda and certain official official levels declare that the recognition is secondary and that this is a war in ukraine and that on the state level was the head of state after it became known that he appeared in bucha, that is, from the moldovan point of view, the nonsense went to the citizen, eh, he has to be more decisive, because they are trying to use russian forces, this is manipulating what should be, trying to drag the moldovan war and so on , that is, the middle ground it looks completely different, uh, a lot of things like conversations, what state does the moldovan government have, how would you take priority about it , and so on, it's still not the first thing, it's uh, a response to the population's desire for moldovan

the population is very pacific, specifically here , they are very afraid of this war, they are very afraid that this war will spill over into moldova, secondly, it is still necessary to understand that among these neighbors, ukraine could be more vulnerable. the aggressor of its satellites and belarus moldovan is part of no nato no union that is, it is more orat, it has a weak economy itself, that is, the same invasion of russia into ukraine had a very strong effect on the buttons of the young , that is, because a lot of imports went from ukraine to the country is transiting e-e carriers from russia, this is again one of the by the way, one of the packages of support provided to the reversists, literally, the conclusion appears from the fact that this support is in the young , if in its independence from the russians, that is, there are certain steps that forced we are still very careful to go but