the defenders and defenders were under pressure , pressing, and maybe even in the processing of the russian military and russian special services, and mr. viktor, we are waiting for them all and we want them to be released. but at the same time, we also understand certain risks as working with these people in order to understand how high the probability is that they may be, i don't know what you can say reflashed or re-recruited by the enemy, well, this is a sensitive topic, it is not very popular. but i think it is important to understand that our special services also work with they must work with everyone, we have a sad experience when an entire colonel came to the side of the enemy and we know this fact when he was even personally awarded an award by the president in the administration, but then it did not prevent him from being exposed and detained and put under that is, there

are such and such facts and facts are not isolated, unfortunately , that is why the military control service, in particular, works actively in this direction with all those who return, this is done with the help of psychologists and operational employees, there are special filtering -e questionnaires are in progress what kind of people are interviewed? many people, right in the process of the interview, confirm the enemy’s efforts to overthrow them . refuses those things , then this information comes to the surface and he is released from any criminal

liability, because according to our legislation , a person who openly told about it during investigative actions is not subject to criminal charges of responsibility are the so-called polygraphs, and that is, people pass people through them too. if necessary, that is, the entire complex of verification measures , and it is clear that even then such secret control takes place because it is possible that a person has simply become a little quieter somewhere, but at some point it may jump out that is, everything is foreseen, everything is controlled well, unfortunately, we work in such conditions when it is really impossible to evaluate the enemy of the enemy and some people uh break down and go to cooperate with them they are generals in the end well, already finalizing the story with the jerk and his tapes, in your opinion, will there be a chance to somehow bring the investigation to a conclusion, it is about that entrance that was extremely unpleasant

in terms of reputation for ukraine, in particular, it is about a publicized conversation or a pseudo conversation between the president and two presidents. that is, well, actually was extremely sensitively received in the united states until the end, because we have all the reasons. he will not be on the territory of ukraine , a decision will be made, and perhaps with the help of the united states, which will also be very interesting to talk with, we will in time be able to see him behind bars. just if derkach got so so to speak, that information or those so -called eavesdroppings, well, accordingly, someone brought them out, it's not

simple . yes, it's more than simple. viktor yagun, major general of the security service of ukraine, retired deputy head of the security service of ukraine in 14-15, briefly tell me the information yes, in reserve, major general of the security service of ukraine, in reserve, brief information that concerns the last nights, in particular, in the sumy region, amazing, but dmytro the head of the sumy regional military administration in zhyvit reports that the night of june 25 was quiet. well, that's the situation, that's the logic of the aggressor. but tonight turned out to be quiet and not at all quiet for other ukrainian regions

, we continue to talk about the most important things with us volodymyr dubovyk, director of the center for international studies of odesa national university and volodymyr volya , an international political scientist, congratulations, dear slava ukraine, and good health, yaroslav what about joseph , as far as we know, he is already slowly going to europe, in particular, she is now interested in the context of the great seven and the nato summit, what to expect from these large-scale i don't know sessions of events like this to name it correctly. after the first performances. yes, but we would still like to discuss the practical aspect. we had a pleasant experience at the end of june and the eu summit gave us a candidate. it is clear that it is hardly a question of the future for us. at the nato summit, but less so, whether there is any positive thing that we can sit out, vladimir , yes, yes. although, according to the alphabet by last name,

mr. volya was probably the first to say that to two vladimirovna, mr. volodymyr was not wrong. exactly , look, these meetings are important, although of course i'm one of those who usually says that we often pay too much attention there, because the most important decisions are all made outside of those. by the way, and only those themselves - this is such a public plane, a platform for discussions for rhetoric. for certain statements about the seven, it is clear that they will look for first of all, ways to preserve such a pro-ukrainian anti-russian coalition, on the other hand, there will probably be ways to improve it. well, why increase the level of pressure on russia, if it is still possible, let's say even the energy level, it's interesting that japan is demonstrating a very active position here, which offered, well, everyone spoke in such a way that

russia is directly behind the global food crisis, because there are attempts how do we know to blame ukraine for the fact that such a global food crisis is happening in relation to nato? yes, of course , there will be no submission. i think that at least there will be a conversation about ukraine. well, it will be there absolutely, yes, because they will talk about russia's aggression and support for ukraine, but from the point of view of the status of ukraine and our relations with nato is here. as you thought , there will not be any serious changes here, because there is an understanding that ukraine is already ready to announce that it will not join, and maybe there will not be such an announcement, but it is clear that i will not get closer to membership in the near future. therefore, it is necessary to do better do not touch this topic, because there is no consensus even among the member states, but the conversation about the ways of providing ukraine with more help and preparing for the conversation about the possible aggression of russia because of what is happening now around lithuania, in particular about this there will be a conversation because ukraine is not from rome. as they say

, there will be people there, although it will be about our change in the format of our relations with nato. i think there will be no conversation there, but let's demarcate the big seven, and we understand who are the participants of this event and the leaders of which countries will meet, if i'm not mistaken. by the way, hmm, the ukrainian president will be included in some of the formats in some of the panels or planes, whatever it's called, and to one event and another, that is, we will still be able to have our say mr. volya er, the big seven. and we know who is going there, in particular, we are interested in all of china, including china. how do you see it? well, here is the question of what macro-financial assistance is. 15 we would probably have already won the war with the russian federation if, of course, it had not

used nuclear weapons, so yes, in simple words, they will give us a lot of help, or just to support our pants, well, china does not have a big chemical, but the role played by the meetings of the big seven is precisely the most economic, the most powerful economic states, at least in the past, yes, they were the leaders, without others, there are eight or nine and a dozen, then they really discuss the issue , including the financial support of ukraine, and there have already been previous meetings in the format of the big seven, and it was just about the allocation of various financial aid in ukraine, but you er, in fact, in practice, this support occurs due to the fact that these er countries allocate some funds in order to provide loans to ukraine through international financial institutions institutions, what we will receive from we receive through the

lines of the imf, the world bank, the eu, and financial institutions, this is the money of the united states, germany, great britain, france and all the others further down the list, that's why political decisions are made in the sense that this is achieved by agreement and a certain coordination. now we have seen that the european union will provide us with assistance in the amount of 9 billion dollars. again, in order for this money to reach it, it is necessary to take this money from somewhere and direct it through a specific formal mechanism the provision of aid or the bilateral format of the provision of loans, grants, or through the mechanisms of international financial institutions. as

for the summits in general, this time in june they will rather play such a role as a format for approving decisions that have already been made. look at what exactly happened there, over there, the eu, where the candidate status was approved, the decision could actually be considered already adopted after the leaders of the three states of the european union, the largest sponsors, donors of the european of the union came here and said their word after such and such an announcement of unity and intentions, it would be strange in principle . from the side of the european union. by the way, denmark and the netherlands, who were skeptics, are also

donors of the budget of the european union, but they focus on the position of germany and france. by the way, they are all founders of the european union. as for the nato summit, this nato summit is... e has to approve the decisions that were reached at the ministerial meeting on the eve of the rammstein 3 format, and then tolton said that the summit would discuss the program of faster, large-scale transfer of ukraine to the weapons of the zanates for nato weapons, and in fact it can be said that all these decisions should get some kind of approval at this summit of the nation well, what is a more practical moment, we understand that next week the big istanbul negotiations should start, the grain so-called

compromise, we understand that for ukraine from one on the one hand, we need a story on the other hand, we understand what its disadvantage is. that is, we actually remove one cluster in a separate case that will be sorted out and everything will go to food and aid to those suffering from hunger in africa and in asia, although we understand that we are talking about a little fight about unlocking and the de-occupation of ukrainian ports in the black and azov seas, but we come to such a strange decision, taking into account the fact that there will be an outstanding figure of our time, erdogan, the president of the country that has the softest sanctions approach to russia out of all the nato members. well, there are certain not very pleasant suspicions, mr. mr. dubovik. well, i think that these negotiations should take place because

there is already such an initiative, and for ukraine, we do not need to say that we want to remain in the party because we have how can they take place there without us, at least we have to show that we want to solve this problem, but i do not think that this stage of negotiations will lead to a solution to the removal of this problem, or somehow from inventing a certain solution due to the fact that, after all, the russian position is too flexible, they offer many things for them that are unacceptable for us, for example, care by their warships of cargo on these ships that will go to our shores from our shores, and the united states of america, by the way, has already stated that they are categorically against such a format. i think that kyiv too will not agree, but our russians say that this is such a military condition for them to agree. well, you see the mining, again , the sea is mined, it takes time to

demine it. russia blames ukraine. we let's say that russia is naming it, by the way, once again, the americans confirmed yesterday that they have information that russia was beckoning to odessa to ochakov and so on, and so you see here, this is a problem, it also exists, it also exists, therefore, it is the only solution the russian fleet passed here and simply unblocked, unblocked the coasts, then it is possible with the strong efforts of various countries, including nato, including those who are here, bulgaria, romania, and then we would need turkish ships and, i think, american ships, we could start unblocking and making these convoys so that there will be no road, we understand that the black sea is not only pro-russian insolence, but also about the flow of nato, because it is one of the basic internal nato seas, and what is happening is the squeezing of this sea in our country. that this subtraction from a potential great partner of nato

is possible soon and a member of nato, well, it is so, but for too long it avoided the formation of a strategic concept of its black sea security, deliberately and absolutely in order not to displease russia, not to cause some kind of objection or anger of russia, and so on other and that's why now when they are just starting their new and formation of regional security strategy and here there are two countries that i have already named, which also differ a little from the point of view of their positioning approach in this region, romania, bulgaria, but there is turkey, which actually as the americans say it sits on that fence between ukraine and russia between nato and russia in its own although it is a member of nato and this blocks the possible expansion or increase of nato's presence or influence in the region, so the region remains the same for the time being

the russian-turkish lake and there is such a certain dom vira here, as the experts mostly believe , and nato plays a very cautious and limited role here, especially since it does not want to join the war with the russian troops vladimir and finally, mr. volodymyr volya would like you to predict how can the istanbul talks proceed as they have been proceeding so far, the turks are going to russia and the russians are coming to turkey. i think that there will also be no specific advances of any new points of this negotiating scheme, according to the content, we should not expect progress, but the promotion which, firstly , russia would be very good if it withdrew its troops, e.e. naval forces, from the northwestern part of the black sea; - this is at least

romania, bulgaria, turkey, the three nato states that are present in the black sea, photos of which are present, other states cannot enter due to the mont three convention , and russia cannot send additional military forces across the mediterranean sea there, except for certain according to the nato parameters, american ships cannot enter there either, but even in the format of using the naval forces of romania, bulgaria. it would be possible to organize some convoys to escort ukrainian ships. of course, the maintenance of ukrainian ships is not acceptable on the part of the russian federation and there is still no trust so far there is no trust and measures that ensure trust in the sense that russia will use the demining of ports and all these

negotiations they do not look like high with a high probability of success, thank you, gentlemen , volodymyr dubovik, director of the international center for international studies of odesa national university, and volodymyr volya , a political scientist-internationalist, worked live on the espresso tv channel together with khrestyna yatskiv, let's talk about the most important thing. gama khmelnytskyi regional military administration congratulates us and says about the 122nd day of the war today during the air alert our anti-aircraft forces shot down two rockets fell debris took place in the forest in the kamianets-podilskyi district, luckily there were no injured people and debris from another rocket fell in the village garden of one of the khmelnytskyi district tergromats, there were no dead or injured windows and

doors were damaged in several residential buildings glory to the air defense of our country now we are walking transport danylenko the head of the law office should be with us by now glory to ukraine ms. tetyana favorite topic christians yaskiv you know the good old days i would like a little about war topics at least sometimes to be distracted by no less difficult but still important topics that relate to our purely internal affairs, i.e. the judicial system and the changes in it that will need to be made in order for our entry into the european union to approach the status of a candidate. yes, with the judicial system, we have reformed it for years, but it is obviously not enough. when the european union tells us to continue, that is exactly what it means as of today. well, as always, the main problem is, after all, the criteria

compliance with regard to the corruption component still wants to comply with international norms and hmm there are significant requirements for the judicial system in this part, therefore, accordingly , all attention is now focused on the integrity and professional decency of judges of candidates of the vrp vkts and therefore e it is these recommendations that are essential and ukraine must adhere to them and implement them as soon as possible . but we have e-e adopted all the relevant key laws so she said e-e they were signed by the president e-e in particular in the akc already appoints judges for a longer time in we simply lacked personnel there are 2,000 employees in the judicial corps. and this is really a large number. well, it seems

that the process is going, we just need to speed it up somehow. are there still intermediate stages that need to be passed? well, of course, the supreme council of justice is currently blocked and, work is therefore necessary to complete this staff as soon as possible, of course, work is proceeding at an extremely fast pace, but still, russian aggression and other factors have a detrimental effect on the pace of judicial reform, which we desperately need now, therefore, we just need to speed up the pace , and in accordance with the changes that took place last year, we need to move with regard to the criteria for the selection of all members for the corresponding positions, again, if we are talking about the vrp, then the created auxiliary let's put it this way, a shark who is supposed to prevent unscrupulous and unscrupulous elements from entering, the ethics council

in particular, and just a few days ago, in closed mode, she recommended two obviously unscrupulous candidates to the vrp and at the same time rejected larisa golnik. has already become a symbol of judicial integrity and, of course, professionalism there. i am now referring to the mykhailo zhornykova foundation de jure, so even the ethics council is still not a safeguard for us that some unsavory elements will not seep into the vrp well, here let's put it this way, it 's not only the ukrainian side that decides, international organizations influence it, that is, it's their decision, it's the membership of the council, well, let's say it 's the international members who still have the most votes

. hmm looking from what position to evaluate it you understand, i can't give an assessment of who passed there virtuously or not virtuously. but still, there must be a positive component in the fact that this ethical council was created, mrs. tetiana, i wanted to clarify with you about the presence of these or other friendly controlling structures on the part of ours, i don't know there of western european partners. they can somehow influence the level of criteria, the level of holding certain or other interview competitions, and so on. well, sometimes i go to a representative of some international organization or western european states are sometimes trusted more than some of our figures. well, this is my subjective story . well, that is, there is some kind of international control that would allow us to make certain things more transparent, of course

. i already mentioned that the voices of international members are more important . compared to the masses, and they have a weighty opinion in solving issues regarding the recommendation of certain persons to positions. i think that this is very positive because, after all, it is necessary to remove the corrupt component as much as possible, the groin should be filled with the entire structure of the judicial system and the relevant bodies, it is necessary to restore the trust of citizens as soon as possible and to move in the european direction in this regard, therefore , i think that international organizations have a positive influence on the formation of the judicial branch of government and the bodies that accompany it alone the threat is so, and it will be extremely difficult to prove it, we understand if it gets to the bottom of this or that

terry pensioner with a biography. affairs. and there is a second danger, it is called a young potential corruptor. yes, but without a biography. but who is a certain monkey of this or that clan, we understand that all systems are not just single people who distribute cash, they are representatives of certain clans who have their own people very- in very different offices, how can such a thing be, well, for this reason, an ethical council was created to, as much as possible, prevent such candidates from getting into positions in a different way, not without international, let’s say, no control in our country, unfortunately, this cannot be changed in my opinion. well, the first thing that needs to be done in the country is to increase the level of financial support of this judicial branch

of government in order to avoid corruption. in my opinion, to the greatest extent, the entire corruption component at the moment if you go to any court of general jurisdiction, you will see that even the postal correspondence has not been sent, that is, to demand the courts from the employees of of the apparatus to comply with any procedural terms, it is er, well, let's say it is incorrect in the situation that the state does not provide them with normal material er a judge in a healthy state with a healthy memory, so to speak, will not

spend his money on the functioning of a court of a specific general jurisdiction, yes, i understand correctly , of course, see to it that the courts function normally, restored trust, first of all, it is necessary to create normal material support for both the judges themselves and the entire court apparatus there, in general, the salaries are constant uh, these personnel are changing, that is, there is no uh, such stepaniv tetyana, teachers and educators can voice similar things in our country. i think that ukrainians have the right to voice absolutely the same things doctors, is this the reason for them to become a mafia that is actually taking the whole country hostage, as we have been for decades, well, we draw conclusions ourselves, but the judges, if this system is properly financially supported, the judges will be literate people work there, it is undeniable that the judges

will deal with the restoration of people's rights, the trust of the pre-judicial system will increase accordingly, they should not think about their financial support, neither the secretary nor the assistant, nor any judge, it should be normal and to meet the same european standards and uh, believe me, everyone will value their position and conscientiously perform their duties. otherwise , it will be necessary to draw conclusions accordingly, and people who cannot hold these positions should then uh let's say that they should be released. but it is necessary to ensure first that something can be demanded. how can you demand it? it means adhering to the procedural terms . due to the fact that the

state does not provide funding for the same few postal envelopes, etc. what can be the procedural terms, how can you respond to the same complaint of citizens regarding the violation of the terms of consideration of the case? well, the state must provide this elimination of this corruption component as much as possible eh, let's say more, it is necessary to eh make so that the participants in the process have as little contact as possible with these in front of the employees of the court judges we understand that a really high salary in the court does not mean that the court as an institution in which it works many different people with small salaries will function well and this is actually a huge problem tetyana danylenko