now, how do you feel about such tests, because it seems to me that they have decreased, but they are still quite popular theses of people who do not really understand what is happening in the country, that is why we say a full-scale war, it is not only about the fact that russia uses tanks, guns, missile weapons, it is also on is waging a culture war at full steam, and literally, yesterday, an interview of the director of the hermitage went viral, who directly said that we are an imperial culture, that's how we use culture to capture everyone else including europe, even after these phrases. well, it even looks ridiculous, these are young-minded positions about the fact that it is not the right time. at the moment, you can't. if we slow down a lot with this issue, there may simply not be another time, so it's not possible. to underestimate the humanitarian challenges, of course i wanted to rename the kiev academy of music, it is not some front line of this war, and in principle its place, well, it has a certain place in the

cultural space of ukraine, experts determined it a long time ago, but it should be so what is written happened. on the leading edge of attention to this, that is, the biggest cultural battles, of course , take place in other cities, but it, er, became popular and this story with tchaikovsky. this is a very interesting case because, on the one hand, tchaikovsky is really nothing green in front of ukraine and with many, except for persian figures, he is, well, not the least, in general, he is so harmful, destructive , toxic for ukraine, therefore, there is absolutely nothing to prosecute him for, but it is obvious that the kyiv conservatory, which was named in the year 940, for of stalin's time, among other things, as well as the moscow conservatory in the same year in honor of tchaikovsky, well, it can't be worn by the kyiv conservatory, and even on the website of the kyiv conservatory, if you look at the list and

justification for why it is named, it is written there because it praised the students for a good performance. generally approved the development of the academy. well, if you call it in czech, and there are 40 people who donated money to create it, they opened up whole directions, it developed musical performing arts, and so on, and so on, and there it’s just dozens of surnames, but for some reason tchaikovsky well, of course, this is mulching. i understand that this question is not for you, i will ask it to ordinary people who work at the academy, but at least from your point of view, if we take the academy and many other people directly, here we see the situation when people are simply unbelievably interfering with these changes, they are affected because of this tchaikovsky. they have the impression that their apartments are being taken away from them, there are children, the last thing is that it is simply incredible, some kind of trauma for people who

affect tchaikovsky, how can they be for him intercede for why this is happening because i know a lot of conversations about the text, the stockholm syndrome, about some kind of little russianness, and so on. and so on. how do you define this phenomenon, of course, in different people in different ways? of the music academy itself, someone says that the representatives of the rectorate say that we need to preserve tchaikovsky, that chinese students used to come, or for them it is an emblem . someone says that they are used to it. distinguish between two questions so that you can love the composer and obey, please, but you can't, well , the country's main music academy is not named after a ukrainian composer, if there are n't many ukrainian ones, that is, people's motivation why are they so attached to it is different, of course there are people with such a scoop firmware who are actually themselves they don't believe

that lyatoshynskyi turned out, lutsenko or košice deserve to be immortalized in the name of the academy , it was for them why do they simply not know ukrainian culture, they can be talented performers, conductors, and singers are some kind of authorities, but they do not understand ukrainian culture, they are not specialists in sculptology, etc., so they do not understand and of course they do not understand cultural politics or all wars. but it seems to me that all these sentiments, not armed with good arguments, i.e. if this whole professor shouts at the students, he cannot listen to the reasoned position of the students and counter something with arguments, tells them about such nonsense that he is actually a russian composer, well, that is frank nonsense he says so and so, well, it’s just, well, it just doesn’t fit anywhere. they say, look, it’s also very popular, they in particular also say, well, some of the teachers say that they say so. tchaikovsky is a russian composer, but since he was

also related to ukraine, why should we give him to the russians they say we won't give back the czechs, we won't give back, we won't give back tchaikovsky, the russians don't know the russian language, but they are all arrogant, let's show the world that it 's the same, and some of our heritage is ukrainian. how are you ? treat such conversations as well, they were popular, they are also now, but here’s how or how does the world need to prove that any of the russian artists had something to do with ukraine , so we can position him as ukrainian clothing, well, in matters of tchikovsky, well, it’s just deep ignorance of the material the life, biography and works of tchaikovsky, uh, you can talk about tchaikovsky's connections with ukraine, you can talk about the ukrainian melos in tchaikovsky's work, but trying to take tchaikovsky away from russia, that's it it is a ridiculous and unreasonable enterprise, moreover, as a

rule, all these screamers, if you specifically start talking with them, more of them do not know english , in some decent universities they do not speak at conferences, they do not have english publicists from the corps, and therefore their stories about what needs to be proved to the world are tchaikovsky ends just right, maybe on the blue table on the building and ends, that is, if it’s all the proof in the world, it’s just to leave everything as it was on the sign of this conservatory, well, i’m sorry, is it musical the academy is more accurate, well, this is sorry, i don't even listen seriously, please allow me to enter, show how you tour all the universities, wait for hundreds of lectures. in oxford, cambridge, there around the world, in paris, in the sorbonne, show how you know how to prove, but if all the proof comes down to the fact that a person will kill a student and leave a blue sign on the building, well, i'm sorry, well, it's just not even serious, this is such a proof, what does this have to do with

renaming ? it won't take any big money and we have one last short question for you that worries me also because the bulgakov museum was opened not so long ago and also well, earlier there were also increased research into his anti-ukrainian positions and now it's even more so there is a question for the bulgakov museum. what do you think should be done with such institutions, how should we be with them, because i know for sure about the bulgakov museum there will be a terrible obstacle to any intervention, and there is even a hint that bulgakov had anti-ukrainian views talked with people who are there and who work there, tell me how, from your point of view, how to make the functioning of the bulgakov museum correct, for example, look, you need to avoid the mistake

you tried to make in the music academy, when pay attention. at first, they voted something there on the academic council, and when only got up a huge scandal, only then did they begin to simulate a dialogue within this, they need a normal social discussion by foot experts with citizens with places and so on with people who they make a decision on the allocation of budget funds well, these are already public funds that are not generated at the expense of the big bukhhalkovichs, as for tchaikovsky, for example, he is an obvious person, there are no problems with this, you cannot be heritage monuments, as for bulgakov, if it is really confirmed , everyone will confirm that he consistently took anti-ukrainian positions positions, then, accordingly, unlike tchaikovsky, there is still a certain displacement of the sculptural space, the museum may also be, if it remains, the museum must have a huge side content that shows that bolgakov really worked in kyiv. he has a certain value there in order to show kyiv landscapes in the world space,

but it should be clearly shown and told what kind of imperial thinking he had and then non- imperial ones. if we are talking about the soviet era without this exposition, it is there will be an incomplete story, some kind of clarification, sir, thank you very much, mr. antonovych, we had a direct call with the head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance, and now we will talk with professor yuriy chakin of the national music academy of ukraine with a musicologist who supports the students and now we will ask him about the situation in the academy in general, mr. yuriy. i congratulate you, do you hear us? discussion one of the students read your e-e letter so where

did you claim and explain why tchaikovsky's name should be removed? and all that other stuff, that's why i have a question for you. in general, a dialogue was once established in the music academy because it seems that the teachers don't want to hear the students and only want to hear themselves. i wouldn't generalize because there are different teachers. i want to hear the students. my colleagues eager to hear students of course there is a certain part of teachers who live in such a soviet authoritarian mental framework and they think that you know how i am the boss, you are a fool, that is, they do not want to listen to students. i think that dialogue is of course, he was not at this meeting, which, unfortunately, he could not attend for

absolutely objective reasons, because let me say yes, the academy is now working remotely , and i live in vorzeli vorzel is 800 m from buchi. my house is 4,800 m from buchi. on march 7, a grenade exploded near my house. i didn't know whether it was a mine or not. at that moment, i and my grandchildren managed to run away from there, really run away. so, the small summer house was destroyed. uh, the main house is damaged and i can't live there now i teach remotely. i give lectures. i supervise master's theses and bachelor's theses. all my protected theses to date are under my supervision. i conduct exams and so on.

of course, from yesterday to today, i could not come to kyiv or transcarpathia. this is how you explained that you you can't come if, if, uh, well, this uh, meeting was scheduled for some time, if i could actually get there, i would of course come, and so i wrote a letter to my colleagues, first of all, because i am also a person who was born in soviet union i was also formed in the soviet union and it seems to me that my voice and my arguments can be more accessible to people of my generation and to people there 3 a little older than i will say it like that yes between the voices of the students because i passed it on of course and there are your words and those of your

like-minded people. but of course it would be better if you articulated this. you can briefly explain why, from your point of view, tchaikovsky's name is inappropriate in the leading music academy of ukraine. i think it is absolutely obvious before after all, tchaikovsky is a kind of flag, a kind of label of russian culture and russian culture, and wherever tchaikovsky's music is heard, wherever tchaikovsky's name is heard, this is promotion, it is a connection with this russian culture, this is the first moment the second point is that we are trying very hard to spread the point of view that tchaikovsky is a ukrainian composer, who in our culture is broken by russia, it is absolutely

not true, they say that because tchaikovsky was not ethnically ukrainian, even though ethnic ethnicity doesn't define anything, but you know, they talk about the fact that his great-grandfather was a cossack, a seagull. yes, but his other great-grandfather was a frenchman. you have a frenchman. so why don't you consider tchaikovsky a french composer ? - it is that uchaikovsky has a large number of quotes from ukrainian songs of ukrainian folklore in his music, but he also has quotes from french music, and he also has quotes from italian music. this is also not me as an argument, the third argument which is cited supporters of considering tchaikovsky as a ukrainian composer of broken ukraine is the argument that he lived in ukraine for a long time and wrote his works here. indeed, he

lived in ukraine as in a country house, but he lived in italy, but living in ukraine is it was just elementary cheap for him, the hope of the philarets for phonetics, the widow of a millionaire, she provided him with a house of creativity, so to speak, in her estate in brail, his sister, who lived in kamianka , provided him with the conditions for work, and he he came here in the summer months, we have a good climate, we have good nature, we have a good ecology, and that's how he came to the dacha to work and worked here. he never identified himself with inna. he never said that he was in any way connected to ukraine. more moreover, tchaikovsky graduated from his first education - a legal education. he graduated from the law school in st. petersburg

. ukraine this is absolutely ridiculous, that's why i believe that the national music academy of ukraine during the war and in general, it can't bear the name of the representative of the culture of the aggressor country, especially since we've been here for literally a couple of days looked back and read the interview of the director of the hermitage, who said that our city is actually our exhibition in paris - it is the russian flag over the obolon forest, that's why tchaikovsky's name is on the board of the national music academy of ukraine, which is located on

maidan nezalezhnosti which is in the center kyiv is practically the flag of russia in the center of the ukrainian capital. if we say that tchaikovsky is ours. if we say that the national music academy should bear the name of tchaikovsky, then we thereby legitimize the encroachment of russia, not by putin, but by all of russia that he is supported there by a huge number of the population. and the cultural elite supports him. so we legitimize his encroachment on the fact that you bring here the russian emir. we are ready to. we say, you know, we are ready to be a younger brother. no, we not ready to be a younger brother. we have our own huge, deep musical culture, which has really been a parasite for a long time, on which the russian

musical culture has been a parasite in various respects. the uoc can be talked about separately, but we have our own culture, and so we must make the efforts that some want now throw on the world's conviction that tchaikovsky is a ukrainian composer throw on those resources through efforts throw on e propaganda and promotion of ukrainian musical culture mr. yury, i thank you hold on i'm sold almost for you in me and the situation with the apartment is almost the same, so i understand you very well, so we are all holding on. what should we do? thank you, we will talk about what to do next. communication a now we will talk with ms. andriana skoryk , she is a doctor of art studies and a professor, and she is also the vice-rector of the national music

academy of ukraine named after a-a-a-a tchaikovsky mrs. andriana greetings, how are you? hello, dear colleagues, i greet everyone . thank you for the opportunity to communicate. first of all, i note that for each of us who work in the academy, all opinions are important and it is the team that must make the final decision about us. we are from our educational institution, and also as a scientist i want to emphasize this question, you are already answering it, we are checking everything under my ear, i understand certain thoughts, i understand, let's ask you a question, you answer what you think is necessary, look here first, take note of what you said about that that there should be a normal dialogue, everyone should come to a fairly democratic, civilized

decision together, but i want to note that i watched two or even more than almost three hours of the meeting you had together with the students, and i and a lot of people noticed that when the speakers were mostly teachers who proved their arguments, called why there was no need to rename them, everyone listened politely and just started speaking. to the bazaar precisely thanks to part of the teachers, that's why i want to ask you to what extent this can be refuted, no, wait, i didn't ask the question. and why the bad one with the dialogue, tell me why this happened in general, because many people really paid attention to it. well, you know, i want to say that uh, the audience probably couldn't uh, accommodate everyone who wanted to, especially since some really work

remotely. but i believe that pluralism of opinions, that is, democracy, is the basis of our work. of the academy, she is its basis, was the basis, is and will be, that's why i believe that there are many opinions on this issue, but actually we were able to hear the opinion of many, which is why we praised them, we didn't want to hear them, and let's talk about it. this obviously shows the general culture of some people, but in general the meeting took place and they emphasized the most important point that the collective should make the final decision regarding the name of our educational institution, i emphasize that here it is very important scientific opinion, a discussion on this topic that will allow

to open a new scientific plane and i want to add that it seems to me that in essence such a discourse has already begun and it was initiated far before the moment when the question actually arose with all its acuteness, because we have 11 bright studies of ukrainian dimensions of tchaikovsky that, uh, fit into a wonderful publication tchaikovsky ukraine on the map of life and creativity by the way, the authors are our esteemed professors and yury ivanovich chekan and olena oleksandrivna korchova and valery borysivna zharkova and by the way, he also united pressure in general scientists of academic thought among them and lyubov oleksandrivna of kyivan, and indeed these are such important things, so to speak, that represent how mentally close he is to the ukrainian world.

tchaikovsky always emphasized that it was here in ukraine that he was completely happy, calm, and found that feeling of peace of his soul i searched in vain in moscow and st. petersburg, are you still in general because we only have eight minutes left, i want to hear my main point that i wanted to say. i will do it very quickly because i consider this issue very balanced and bright position of the rector of the academy of the rectorate, who rightly leaves the final decision to the team, so the importance of making a decision was directly discussed by the team and everyone's opinion was already heard, and therefore, for the initiative of the rector , a conference of the labor team will be organized together with the trade unions of the academy, and now we have started the procedure for organizing of this event to the academic council of the academy

regarding the approval of the procedure for electing delegates to the conference of the labor team and approval of the quota of conference representatives according to the law of ukraine on higher education, and therefore i would like to note that we take into account the positions of the recommendations in this matter as well from the ministry of culture , information policy of ukraine and the public here i have yet another meeting on this occasion, it gives an opportunity to get acquainted with everyone's point of view. and by the way, i want to add such a very interesting a fact that complements the life of tchaikovsky, his views on ukraine, the work of ukraine and his own work in the context of the ukrainian melus, a well-known historical fact is simply that in 1890, tchaikovsky was invited to visit the kyiv school of music is a music school where, after completing the concept he listened to, tchaikovsky declared that the school should be renamed

the conservatory, so today we cannot put a full stop . i also have a question for you. how do you see this scientific discussion in general, to which many of your colleagues are also calling, let's have a discus-discussion, given the fact that since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, it has generally disappeared any e well, let's say the position about whether a russian artist was good or not good, but still he is being used in russia now how is health and there is no wait ms. andriano and there is no sense in the historical discussion about what relation the russian artist had to ukraine or did he have night feelings for her or not, but if he

is being used as a weapon by russia, we cannot use him officially either, therefore, taking this into account , what arguments can there be for leaving tchaikovsky in the name of the music academy in the discussion, there is always a sense, this is based on scientific opinion there is always a sense and i should be about me how can uh what arguments can be the truth about these arguments, let the scientists and everyone who wants to declare in their discussion and the actual search for the truth, the affirmation of beliefs and we will find this truth that we are so looking for, please there is none here problems and we will hold these scientific conferences and we will be ready for such pressure that even more so today in any conditions we can do it because we have learned to work online and this gives efficiency mobility development of thought and gather a large and wide

the audience, this is us. our greatest interests, our greatest task, the search for the truth. well, what do we have left with you, literally three minutes, and i would like to ask you in general, where did some of your teachers, not all of them, part of your teachers, and the rector in particular, claimed that the renaming procedure can be long enough, very expensive, what will we say for that money in the armed forces, that the payment of salaries, scholarships will stop, that the academies can close this information, the ministry of culture, information policy and by many students - this information is already being accepted from teachers. how is this intimidation? therefore, tell me where this information came from about the complexity of the procedure and there is no such information at all, and we do not have such

information. in general, it cannot be considered. especially since today we received a clear the instruction of the ministry of culture and information policy, which helps us to find a healthy solution to this not a simple issue, but in general, it is the kind that can be solved, which can be argued, and i repeat once again that the main today - this is a discourse, this is a frank conversation - this is argumentation and the ability of the leadership of the academy to listen to it and find there, as they say, a healthy grain, because it once again confirms no oppression, no recommendations on this and other topics. information about the complexity of the procedure and about the fact that the academy may be closed because very often part of the teachers said that where

did they find it at all? i don't understand this information. yes, it was for a discussion that i had on facebook for three hours. no, there was no discussion on this issue . there was an opinion that the main final decision was for the team and therefore maksym tymoshenko as rector . and as a representative of our leader, he took an absolutely balanced, fair and statesmanlike position in solving this issue, mrs. andriano, thank you very much for your comment, for taking the time to communicate, so i hope that will take place as you say that there will be a discussion and the question of the name of the tchaikovsky academy of music will be decided collegially, everyone

will express themselves and somehow the lordship will come to a conclusion. i want to say once again that the thesis has been confirmed that public publicity works very well, various protests that are expressed in a civilized way because they can completely change the course of events, so don't be afraid to express yourself if you are there or anyone else with an opinion that you don't like seems unfair, so of course you will have the opportunity to turn some situation on your side , as the students and part of the teachers of the kyiv conservatory, which is located on maidan nezalezhnosti, did, on this i have all colleagues the broadcasts will continue, stay with the vita press