christians, i think that no, you can imagine some terrorist acts in order to make the belarusian society more sympathetic to the war, it is possible with this, i do not argue with that, but maria, but on the other hand, on the other hand, i do not think that the belarusian society is a veteran, i will say right away so we have to go and beat these ukrainians because everyone will understand everything, but for now, let's talk about what, so as not to scare our viewers, that the representative of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine skibitsky for ukrainian media commented on this topic and spoke about the fact that there are such dangerous signs of joint training between belarusians and russians, but at the moment, if we talk about the creation of some strike groups . today, our main intelligence directorate does not

note this. to us from subversive intelligence units, there may be rocket attacks again, which is not news for us, we are facing this during all these, it is already the fifth month of the war . extremely important for us is the speed with which our allies provide anti-aircraft and, above all, anti-missile defense. well, we are also building our own system, which will be able to be effective and will probably be needed by us for many , many years with such neighbors. well, we are sometimes we talk about the possible scenarios of further events and the end of the war, because all this was also heard in the information space this week, as the secretary general of nato and general stuldenberg insists that russia's war against ukraine is extremely aggressive

ukrainians themselves have to decide what is acceptable for them and what is not in negotiations with the russian federation, however, in an interview with lps and 101, bereg said that this war will end at the negotiating table in italy, do you believe that it will be exactly this way and that this war will really end at the negotiating table what kind of negotiations will these be and under what conditions they can begin that this war should end at the negotiating table practically all politicians are talking about it ukrainian politicians are also talking about it as you know, president volodymyr zelenskyi and the participants negotiations in belarus in istanbul, only they say that the negotiations should begin in august, when the ukrainian side will be in a better position . the fact that the point of view of the other side is not taken into account all the time, because of course, if everything were to be decided by

volodymyr zelenskyi or instaunterberg or, er, i don’t know, boris johnson. of course, this war should end with some kind of agreement at the table victory ago that is how it ends he is the majority but there were wars that did not end at the table victory between the two sides and ended simply on the line on the line of demarcation of troops this is korean he she did not end at the negotiating table of any peace agreement between the two parts of korea does not exist they remain the last wars of about 70 - things and there is no way out of this process even after the leaders of south north korea

exchanged visits several times, the president of south korea visited pyongyang and met with the north korean leader of the president and it happened more than once, but the war did not end two sides of the moon and the conflict of civilizations in our country can still be like that, i imagine that on some lines this war can stop simply because the parties can run out of resources. i will say even more, i imagine that this line may be the state border of ukraine, but this may not mean the end of the war, let's imagine that we drove the russians out of the ukrainian territory, control the entire territory of ukraine, and at

this very moment from the territory, let's say belarus or from on the territory of russia or from this territory, poland will consider it to be russia, this is also a very important moment , a missile attack takes place, and immediately two weeks later, the russian side does not want to talk about anything with the ukrainian side, because it continues to say that the war ends. when ukraine fulfills the conditions , they are known, identification, demilitarization, russian the status of crimea, the russian status of donbass , we will talk, let's say they liberated donbass, or i don't understand it at all, what are you talking about, this is our territory, they are written in our constitution, no that we recognized the independence of the donetsk luhansk people's republic, you occupied them and hold their population hostage, you are the occupiers of donbas, you think a russian cannot say that, we assume that if russia leaves all these territories there, the government will change immediately, i don't

think so, well, we were hoping for a collapse regime for the quick death of putin, then for the fact that sanctions will strangle them, they will have an economic crisis due to the fact that the world blocks the sale of their energy carriers, but we see how it all works in practice, in practice everything works more difficult than we wanted because russia is really isolated from democratic education from the democratic world from china from india from the countries of africa from many countries it is not isolated absolutely spit on this war moreover they wanted russia to win in this war it must be understood because the victory for russia, this is the victory of authoritarianism and populism, and if russia wins , the world will be as we wanted to see calmly from many other capitals. now it is decided simply where the border will pass democratic education we we can end up on the other side of the border or on this side, there is nothing major, there is no big conflict here. if ukraine ends up on the other side, well, then we have not been able to protect ourselves from authoritarianism, we will be

part of the authoritarian system of authoritarian russia. and there will be, i hope to count some centuries, we are fighting for this choice to stay on the european side of this border well, at one time we made the choice to stay on the asian side during the pereyaslav council and all that what happened later with the ukrainians was the consequence of this er choice, then we made the choice to stay on the other side in 1994, 2010, we made the choice to er stay there several times in our memory and that is why the russians are sincerely sure that if they take over that territory well there's enough population here to help make that choice again i think they're wrong but i understand what they're relying on so i think first of all i don't see a platform to negotiate because i don't see

a platform to end it can be military actions this kind of conflict that will pass again is due to the exhaustion of military resources, perhaps such a sluggish herd, but it can drag on for a long time, not months, years. i keep reminding you that russia is trying to reduce this conflict to the syrian one. i wanted to continue for 10 years and the russians feel great in this conflict, they just know how to work with such conflicts. well, here we see that the war in ukraine has already hit them faster, they can’t it’s easy to fly to turkey for a vacation, they don’t get greek visas, so to turkey i think the turks fly, they even want to create some special airlines to get to egypt, they can fly, well, then again, what does it mean, hit maria well, 85% of russians have never crossed the borders of the russian federation the vast majority of them have never crossed the borders

of their region. people who live on the other side of the urals are few of them, of course, but you will understand that it is closer to them to fly to thailand than to some europe. in general, they may not notice anything about the underwear worn by ukrainian women, who are rich and who are not rich, they are completely equal, do they have airplanes or not, do they use other types of transport? to analyze the state of russian society because i remember - i don't want to repeat the mistakes of those who in 1917 believed that the bolsheviks would end in a year, i would, but it was absolutely obvious that the system that the soviet union is building is not viable, but then there was the second world war, which gave it a second lease of life because it was the country that won the second

world war and it lasted for 70 years, the system that putin is building, it does not heal, it is capable of developing much faster now than when the soviet union existed, of course putin 's russia will fall into the question of how many months, years or decades it will take. and what will ukraine do if this conflict continues for months, years and decades, and what part of the territory of ukraine will we control at this time? which part of the territory will be safe and then we have to make a huge number of difficult economic decisions, because we have to realize that a country that will continue military operations will not come. not even a dollar of investment will be humanitarian aid. well, it also cannot be eternal and endless, it is obvious that a large part of the population is unlikely to will want to exist within the framework of such a country, this must also be understood and the russians are working on it, you know why they deliberately want to change the demographic balance, this is also absolutely the right policy. if you want to capture

the territory, let's take siri. when the russians started the war in syria, there was an uprising against you. the uprising was a dubious population. at that time, it was about 60-65% of the population. your race , a representative of the levite community, together with the shiites , was less than a few percent of the levite population. in order for your father to be able to become president once he came here at all, the constitution had to be changed in the country, and there were not many shiites there, well now. after this war, at least in this territory, what your race controls two-thirds of the gray territory, there is almost no wheat, somewhere around 60-70% of the sulin population is shay and yalavian, the population is also christian. well, in these two-thirds, there are still some doubts about which species you are pushing out little by little. in principle, this is a completely different country. we are wondering why it is your turn. he retained power at all levels. you did not retain power in syria. he retained power

in the syrian territories. i do not know whether he will retain power in the world. he was introduced to expel the majority of the population. well, why can't we develop this with in ukraine, the more people are displaced from the east , you understand, the greater the chances that there will be a population that will be loyal enough to the occupiers . and in general, there will not be many of them, it will be easier to work with any letters, and all the others will either be killed or survive, well, rather, they survived and were and so you can go on and on, changing this demographic balance and everyone is asking well, how is it that surely a territory with a population is needed? no, russians were never needed on the territory, so they, and that is, what they are doing, they absolutely understood it it has been read many times in the past , it worked, it may not work now, simply because russia is essentially now alone against the democratic world and the world economy, it is tied to that world because a larger number of consumers of products it is there, if

more consumers of chinese products would not live in if the united states and the european union lived in russia, then china would of course start to attack russia with weapons . well, so far it has doubled its purchases of energy carriers in russia, but also by other methods supports those, however, experts emphasize that now a lot will depend on the upcoming negotiations between joe biden and esinping, in which biden is even ready to end this trade war with china in order to apparently move this situation from its place and actually interrupt this quiet support for china putin's regime, no matter what , and for us there is only one scenario - this is this scenario - you have an enemy from our land, give him chances to gain a foothold here, and this is actually the success of this depends, first of all, on help

world from how quickly we will be able to obtain effective weapons that will allow us to beat the enemy in greater numbers faster and more effectively. well, we understand that temporary peace is definitely not an option for us, because in any case it will only mean the regrouping of the forces of the russian federation new attacks and er biting off more and more of our territories er but we see that er there is actually a question of whether everything will happen in this way or whether we will not be pushed to a temporary peace with er russia because a cold winter is ahead and the whole world needs ukrainian grain, food, and europe needs heat, gas, energy carriers, and accordingly, as they say, some experts may be interested in ending the war

sooner. and this is logical. but let's go back to what we started with. i believe that experts may be interested so that the war ends faster , world leadership is so simple, why should putin be interested in this, gain more strength, invent new and new hybrid schemes and hit ukraine harder and not further only in ukraine, in moldova, and then in the baltic countries to destroy the hated europe. if putin signs some kind of peace agreement with ukraine, it means that ukraine is one way or another freed years for joining the european union, there for euro-atlantic integration. i believe that it is in putin's interests to continue and sign none is possible, it’s really macrono, it can be interesting, some agreements between ukraine and russia zelenskyi, it should be interesting to end this war, we are interesting that it went on longer than mine, any peaceful

the agreement is a defeat for putin, well, look here, the prime minister of great britain, boris johnson , expressed his fear that ukraine may face pressure to conclude such a peace agreement with russia that will not meet its interests, there is no need to force ukrainians into a bad world, says johnson, what can we say about this and what causes such fears of the british prime minister that he, postponing all matters after the visit of the three world leaders on june 16, urgently flies to kyiv and continues by the way to emphasize that not you are pushing ukraine into the arms of russia, there is no need to appease them, ukrainians need weapons, ukrainians need and need guarantees, guarantees of their e-e, including e-e, the unblocking of e-e ports, yes, and first of all, sanctions against russia, who first introduced sanctions against the russian patriarch kirill this

it was great britain great britain supports ukraine in every possible way, of course the united states also supports weapons, but from johnson more and more often we hear more sharp rhetoric and firstly there is johnson himself as a politician with sharp rhetoric and secondly johnson is really classic a politician who can also believe in negotiations, he simply believes that ukraine should be inclined to unprofitable renegotiations, i uh, unlike josen, they simply believe that russia will not negotiate with ukraine, that there are three in ukraine, there is no threat of any negotiations, ukraine is threatened for a long time by a long war on exhaustion, which should end from the point of view of russian interests with the disappearance of the ukrainian state from the political map of the world. i am sure that putin will work with this material as long as he has enough strength and resources and without any intervals on february 24 - this is just the beginning of a new era. it should end with the fact that the border should become the russian border, and the moldovan ones are also right, you said that they want to go to moldova to cross the border with romania and they will

do it. the plan is outwardly, the interest is actually proposed by the russians because this magazine is connected to a russian tv host site, which is actually an ordinary russian agent, he is an american citizen, an extremely interesting conversation was corrected on this topic from english, after that i learned that the russian ambassador antonov, the ambassador of the united states , met with famous diplomats of american caliber, the former representative of the united states of america in afghanistan, they had dinner in a restaurant, there are photos, they talked about the end of the ukrainian conflict, he threatened him with the kiev nazis, well, in in any case, the question is that what antonova said there is that the russians are probing, we heard, we see what they are offering for this.

holding referendums by the russians in the donetsk luhansk regions, if the residents of these regions vote for russia or for independence, then russian troops can come here at the request of their governments. and if they vote to stay in ukraine, donbas must be demilitarized, ukrainian troops must leave, the russian language must to be the official language of the country beyond what will be the result of this referendum in donbas that russia should stop has the right to continue such communication with donbass and ukraine should stop any cooperation with nato, terminate any agreement in the united states on strategic partnership, withdraw from partnership programs for the sake of peace, do not conduct any training exercises with nato member countries and teft, and this is not only about ukraine, nato must to guarantee that it will never accept the former soviet republics and

finland as its members, and in exchange for this it is written there that russia is ready to agree to the accession of ukraine to the european union, such ukraine, and the accession of sweden to nato do you think that this is an adequate plan? and one more important thing is that ukraine must undertake never to demand from russia any apparatus for the punishment of any war criminals. russia must not give anya a ruble for the restoration of ukraine, and the western countries have this agreement to oblige ukraine to restore it, and who has the permanent members of the un security council must guarantee the visas of ukraine here. that is, this is actually the security agreement that we have been hearing about since the very beginning and from those negotiations in istanbul. well, what do you think or anyone at all this is something that the russians are now ready to discuss, as you understand, and then

again. and what does the guarantee of permanent members of the un security council mean if russia and china are among them? well , the security councils of russia and russia met. did china impose a veto on aid to ukraine? what will happen next? everything will function well, that is, it is difficult to disagree with johnson that any similar implementation of any similar plans is a collapse - it actually works absolutely well, of course, and a collapse for europe, first of all, we hope that it will not will happen and what will actually happen as it was announced by john kirby, the coordinator of strategic communication of the joy of national security of the usa, as it is proposed by the minister of defense of the u.s., as it is actually proposed now by these a-a american hawks who are at the head of the processes of allocation of weapons in ukraine and more effective countermeasures against the kremlin

of the civilized world of a collective action so that the sovereignty of ukraine is respected so that the territorial integrity of ukraine is fully restored and as the head of the main intelligence directorate said the ministry of defense of ukraine, major general budanov, on the air of the british itvnews, ukraine must return to the borders in 1991, and we are not considering any other scenarios. this is logical because, again, the question is not even about ukrainian security, it is about public order as such, because absolutely it is obvious that the international order is connected with the fact that some countries must respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of others. ukrainian regions are trying to undermine this order. why should we take this into account? i don't understand why, vitaliy, we have so many of you and i, and

i don't even know what to do. well, let's do what is closest to us and probably has the most for us. now it is important that the status of a candidate in the eu together with ukraine was received by moldova and for a long time the presidents of ukraine and moldova did not call each other since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, although moldova is under the same risks and dangers what about ukraine today, and as we talked about in our program today, moldova may very well be next in putin's plans, and the politicians in chisinau and civil society can't help but understand that. well, now we see that the president of moldova, sandu, gathered in kyiv and told that her plans include such a visit, details will be announced later, a number of publications wrote about this at the end of this week, and the

details of such a thing are currently being agreed on on june 22, on the eve of the meeting of the european council of historical until 23 in june, at which our countries received the status of candidates for the presidents of moldova and ukraine, and zelensky himself spoke on the phone. this is extremely important, and actually what do you think in italy about how our relations with moldova will develop further, there are many factors that we can talk about but we should also note the rather restrained position of the moldovan pro-european government in relation to russia during this war. radical in its actions and decisions, however, we see in fact that the supply of

weapons was and remains a controversial issue. the status of the candidate will affect both moldova and the development of our relations, they are now saying that they will introduce sanctions because they must obey the discipline of the european union, and this is logically the second very important point, which is connected with the fact that in the republic of moldova so or else they were aware of the complexity of their own positions and the gas agreement that will be signed between moscow and chisinau actually made the country a hostage to all this russian blackmail, and moldova could not sign it either because it did not have any and does not have any alternative sources of supply and now this problem will also need to be solved, this is also an important point, in addition, it must be remembered that in moldova itself , pro-russian forces have much stronger positions than in ukraine, and in ukraine they do not have such strong positions only thanks to the war and there was no war, so we remember very well how many

people voted for pro-russian forces before the war , viktor yanukovych, who never hid his pro-russian course, voted in 2010. well, about half of ukrainian voters are true . and won. and all subsequent elections were already after the attack of russia, and in my youth, the attack of russia was in the 90s, then the russians worked with moldovan public opinion for quite a long time. by the way, they are with our public opinion will work long after the war, there is no need to even doubt if you live as a regime, of course. although, on the other hand, why will the regime survive in moldova, one regime worked and reaped the fruits of another with moldovan public opinion , the regime of the time of boris yeltsin worked, and not vladimir putin. so what it could be a completely different story . we don't know what the regime will be like after putin and

what he will work with here, but it will be democratic, they hope in me. emmanuel macron is constantly talking about what needs to be helped putin will save the face of ukrainian public opinion with the russian democratic regime , so many of our compatriots will want to work that we can enter the european union by russian will and then wonder what we are doing there and why we were under the authoritarian russian regime , this is also absolutely real for ukraine, one of the moldovan deputies my colleague of nitrogen, when he commented on receiving the status of a candidate, he quite rightly noted that we will become members of the european union if before that time will not capture us, russia ukraine - this also applies and by the way i reminded that in 2001, when the moldovans voted for the communists for the communist party for the communist president, well, they did it themselves, as no one forced them to do so, it was a free democratic election don't forget that they pretended to be free democratic elections, they elected a communist parliament several times, they elected ihor dodoma as their president, who was this absolutely specific

pro-russian politician, by the way, they elected dodon in uh, to put an order, uh, some uh, some problem for the oligarchic administration, that's the same, that's the way it was. well, when he won, he won, i have it myself, but uh, the main beneficiary of these elections was oligarch plahotniuk, who fought with allegedly two candidates, there were a lot of different such stories, which we will not talk about now, but i have one obvious thesis that ukraine and moldova must together solve these challenges facing our countries. moreover, moldova has a very an important strategic partner is romania, which is undoubtedly interested in moldovan stability. we have our strategic partners in central europe. this is primarily poland's joining forces with moldova

. only to fulfill these conditions that have been set before kyiv chisinau. today they are talking about the fact that this competition between ukraine and moldova will be extremely constructive for both sides, because everyone will really compete to do the homework of the european union as best as possible and get their own star of readiness for membership as soon as possible. we alone or together will get there or together no, here we are here, we are not exactly the same, the same water , if the possibilities are yes, that is, while active hostilities continue in ukraine, it is difficult to talk about the fact that we can be competitors here. well, actually, on

what is your opinion, why does sandu so rarely talk about the fact that a young woman needs to solve the problem of transnistria, which is used by putin as a factor of pressure on the whole country, i think that they are afraid to activate this problem because it can become a young woman, and it is absolutely obvious that the young woman needs this situation now the war in ukraine to pass peacefully, that is why the desire to create a new center of danger there is very important and we see it in russian statements and we must stop the russians wherever they want to destabilize this will be the situation. by the way, for the future and the future stability in ukraine. well, thank you for your attention . watch us next week, and right now, our colleague iryna koval will present the evening news broadcast, so watch everything important for today, as of this hour, right now in the latest issue