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ties help we will integrate into the european community in the future. we will talk with a french french cultural expert and also with a ukrainian historian about the significance for ukraine of this step towards full membership in the eu about the support of ukraine about what can be the victory in the war that russia unleashed against ukraine. i spoke with mrs. ambassador of great britain melinta simmons. we will show our conversation in this hour with a marathon. well, before starting this conversation with historians about what historical and cultural ties we have with europe, i wanted to i would like to say that in the history of ukraine, there are enough facts about our historical and cultural ties with europe, there are a lot of such facts that are known to everyone. for example, anna of kyiv, who became the queen of france. what facts little known. for example, the other daughters of yaroslav the wise, who also married not the last

kings in europe, is also a little known fact - this is the uncrowned king of russia, konstantin ostroh , a figure we should have known about. and when you ask historians, why did it happen? we don't know. they usually answer that we didn't have this history of our common ties with europe on the agenda. and why wasn't this agenda because it was dictated to us for many years by russia now it is becoming urgent that we ourselves will already shape this agenda, but with regard to europe, now we are integrating there in order to er acquire and return those european values, and in the old days it was er, in some eras, even on the contrary, it was ukrainians who were like that cultural and intellectual drivers for europe, and i collected some of these facts in the plot let's look at it, so many

years have passed and everything is the same in kyiv as the old french delegation again came to st. sophia cathedral a thousand years ago, the french wooed my daughter here anna and now their prince emmanuel macron came here for a tour, i wonder if prince macron liked our cathedral, so it would most likely speak. here is this hologram of yaroslav the wise, if during the last visit of emmanuel macron to kyiv, this hologram was endowed with a voice, consciousness, and the ability to analyze what it saw for history for france and for all of europe, saint sophia cathedral is such a special place. it was here that the future queen of france, anna of kyiv, studied at the school near the cathedral, and the first thing anna did when she learned to write it, she scratched her name on one of the walls of the

cathedral. it's hard to see here, but 3 letters are read, and in one word, she left behind a memory and went to france. since then, ukrainian blood flows in most of the monastic families of europe. it has been proven that even queen elizabeth ii of britain is the great-great-great-granddaughter of our anna yaroslavna in the 30th generation, but that's not all. apart from anna, yaroslav the wise had other daughters whom he married to european monarchs. elizabeth became the queen of norway and denmark . anastasia was the queen of hungary. agatha married substitute for the english king, and if all this is translated into the language of modern times, it can be said that yaroslav the wise arranged his daughters quite well, but for our history, these marriages mean something much more, our recognition and acceptance into the great european family with the achievement of independence in the 91st year there were continuous

conversations about the return to our history of the figure of another ukrainian who integrated us into the european space, this is our prince konstantin ostrovsky, who lived 500 years ago and bequeathed to bury him here in the dormition cathedral of the kiev-pechersk lavra, this is the burial and tombstone of the prince, just look at the beauty of the marble for this tombstone, they brought it from italy itself. i would say the scale is royal. and a rich man of his time, so what did he do so important for our history, one of the main merits of konstantin ostrozky is the protection of ukrainian lands from the moscow invaders in 1514, he commanded the united ukrainian-polish-lithuanian army in the battle of orsha, this is the territory of modern belarus and the army of the muscovite

king, which was also three times larger than the cities, the success in the battle of ostroh was ensured by the artillery and the skillful tactics of its use, the muscovites could not do anything because rushed to the battlefield with wooden spears and arrows. so we took part in joint military campaigns with europeans, traded with them, went to europe for training, but there was one minus: our lands were part of the grand duchy lithuania was part of the kingdom of poland until hetman bohdan khmelnytskyi dared to take the very bold step of creating an independent cossack state. how often bohdan khmelnytskyi would not have been accused of treason for some pereyaslav agreements or receiving moscow ambassadors , scientists have long ago proved that this is the reunification of ukraine and russia under khmelnitsky is a historical fake and fiction. khmelnytsky himself always kept a secret correspondence with

europeans, either with the swedes or with the poles, and who knows, if it were not for the hetman's sudden death, it is possible that he would have concluded the next alliance with them . khmelnytskyi's contacts with the swedes were already taken advantage of by the next hetman ivan mazepa, he concluded a military alliance with the swedish king against the russian tsar peter i, who was only cutting the window to europe, despite the fact that on that time we have been in europe for 700 years ruslan sharyipov oleksandr rybachuk denis yaroshenko nazar kinash tsn 1+1 marathon single news well, now we will talk about ukrainian cultural and historical ties with europe with the guests of our studies with us in direct contact with a culturologist and a religious scholar who has roots in ukraine because his ancestors lived in odessa anton norzhakovskyi he speaks russian and lives in france now and it will be anyway we will communicate with him in

ukrainian because he understands and ukrainian, too. also, the well-known historian oleksandr alfyorov is in direct contact with us. he was the head of the commission that worked on renaming streets in kyiv, and for a long time he was the secretary of the azov regiment . friends, we welcome you directly. aired by tv channel 1+1 gentlemen, good evening, let's start his conversation, this is a little unusual, we very often ask politicians and cultural figures to each other, what can we gain from joining the european union ? we will quickly teach them how to use the action and tell them what it is like to have electronic documents for themselves. let's start. let's start. oleksandr. thank you for your questions, which you raised. now you

know that the plot immediately evoked emotions which was filmed by ruslan for the pros, because these walls of st. sophia of kyiv immediately remind you of the fact that today we are talking about the proof that we were in europe, but we are part of the european cultural and civilizational heritage and only today europeans understand this when we stood up for the protection of human values ​​of european values ​​of family traditions of our culture and today europeans are not us who discover europe in ourselves, but they understand how much they lost with the fact that they did not understand that we were not soviets that we did not have russia that we not russia. and what about us, the european country that was always close to them and incredible contacts are connected with us, so here, first of all, we are talking about

europeans, they are opening up, they are remembering what was actually closed from them by the moscow russian rule, the imperial soviet rule, we are ukrainians, the people which in fact has always understood itself in the context of a european nation, and in addition, we ukrainians are aware of ourselves as that european nation that that european civilization that extended not only on the european continent in the northern in america, in australia, in new zealand, we are talking about the fact that we are actually the shield of europe, we are the shield of europe, which is at the crossroads, as our hetman ivan mazepa wrote. oh, woe, those seagulls are not gods, the nest is full of friends. we are on a beaten path on the way to the east. from us, the eurasian civilization is under us, the islamic civilization, and the ukrainians were in this incredibly

important geographical position, and that is why we always understood what private property is, what the law is, what a contract is, what they do not understand, for example, east of us and today we say to the europeans look at us because we protect your values ​​we protect people's freedom we protect what is called european civilization today look at us because we ourselves as europeans have never lost this understanding and it is obvious that this is indeed the situation today that we, through our queens, through our diplomats, prove to them, but this is not proof for ourselves, and in the end, i want to make a provocation like this, which i will talk about later, adding a word to my colleague, the ukrainian authors to the european union about antoine. what do you say about this? well, i will say first of all that of course the europeans can

get a lot from the entry of ukraine into the european union . there is greater solidarity of all europeans towards ukraine . we all understand that ukraine now protects the freedoms of all europeans and we admire the courage of the ukrainian people against the new totalitarian new state like russia. yes what already now there is a full realization that now indeed ukraine is a european country, it is part of the family, this is the official

name of the family of european nations, and we now have to go through a new stage. er, remember the past, i completely agree with what was said in the report, er, we forgot about ukraine , er, we in france, er, knew in the 17th century what is ukraine, a hymn to spring, one of the first who wrote a book about ukraine for discs for discs pisyun dyukania - this is the first time e 648 e-e when the ukrainian nation was represented in the 18th century, voltaire in his book about charles the 12th said that ukrainians are

free people, so we knew what that was. ukraine well, then, when the russian empire became a colonizer, we gradually lost contact with ukraine, and already in the 19th century, balzac, who, as you know, lived for a long time, lived the opera berdychev, he only knew about the russian empire about poland and little did he know about ukraine so that's why it's time to go back to the past and to understand that it is really our common interest to unite to renew the european civilization that is based on jewish christianity, that is what jerusalem gave europe the right, that is what grimm gave to european

civilization and wisdom what did athens give to european civilization? and now, that's all that is shaking a lot because you talked only about values, but values ​​can be shaken and everything depends on interpretation. and that's why i want to say that this should be a dialogue between europeans and ukrainians because there are different days in europe. how do you understand the right to ask alexander about this provocation of yours? we will also talk about the fact that ukraine is the architect of the creation of the european union. i would like mr. antoine to clarify. ukraine was discovered by ukraine, but then this connection was lost and the new country was put in place by the russian empire, which with its influence

overshadowed ukraine in essence. isn't there a risk that this will happen again, because history has the ability to repeat itself, which europeans know about again ukraine is respected ukraine, and then this connection is lost, is there no risk of repeating this story? well, i don't think so, because now we live in the 21st century. and they talk more about ukraine, i can tell you that now in france, everyone knows where kyiv is located, where severodonetsk is located, where magyupol is located, and everyone understands the problem of what is the history of ukraine, which gradually became a colony of the russian empire, so that i think that of course, we need to work on mutual understanding

. first of all, we need to learn the ukrainian language. the problem is that in france, there is only one university in paris where the ukrainian language is taught. then all the universities teach russian language. this is definitely a problem, it is necessary to prepare the future, and therefore it is necessary to work from both sides in france so that they really understand the ukrainian spirit and the ukrainian language and ukrainian culture better, and also ukrainians must present themselves more and more like this, which is not based on over the imperial e-e spirit, as the slavs usually understand it is the one that is based on what we have ernest called moral consciousness,

this is a big difference e-e if you talk only about values, it will not be enough because values ​​are like prices it depends on the market, it can change the minister very much, and when you talk about moral consciousness, for example, during the revolution of dignity, the revolution of dignity, everyone saw ukraine, what does it mean for ukraine, the same thing. like the french, how can we now promote these values, the agenda that your colleague antoine is talking about now, and in france, could it be, for example, a cultural landing of people who were forced to emigrate there because of the war, how should we promote this agenda so that europe never forgets us in any way again well, first of all, we need to start with the terms. i know that in french museums there are a lot

of objects that belong to the history of kyivan rus and which are written and signed by russia. signed things of our periods and today we are not talking about what they will learn that ukraine exists in europe, we are talking about the fact that one country located to the east of us in 1721 called itself rus, the greek term russia, and we are talking about what we knew europeans talk about us and you, but under the term russia, and accordingly, if we talk about it, we must also understand that in fact it is about what they know about us, but they, including them, yes, there is a huge problem here, that in fact, terminologically, we

now we are losing because our history is signed by a foreign state and it is clear that we are talking about france, we must understand that france is not only connected to us and anna yaroslavna, we had absolutely connections today we are talking about the fact that we find french coins on the territory of russia this speaks of economic ties, we are talking about the fact that the french saw our ancestors in the 14th and 15th centuries called khrus, in the 13th and 14th centuries they were called russians, but today the state to the east of us, which was our colony, actually took this name and therefore understandable that in the context of european history, we are talking about the fact that we were called russians in the same way that we called ourselves russians until the end of the 17th century. and in western ukraine, the term rusyn remained as the proper designation of ukrainians, then we are definitely talking about the fact that they actually know about us, only

please understand the terminology that this name of ours was stolen from us and when we say that, for example, these names exist and this is a story about us, about kyiv, about ukraine, not about the territory that we colonized, that were then taken in the 18th century under peter the first or this term was accepted only under the german dynasties of russia in the 18th century. therefore, we simply have to say, look carefully here, there is a terminological trap that was set in the 19th century by russian historiography, and in the end, it was completely substantiated by soviet historians who, by the way, had the exclusive right in moscow to study the topic of russia and the topic of byzantium, two main topics related to the europeanization of our country, because the whole of europe is actually doing this insurgents , on the basis of which the roman empire lives, we

are talking about this civilization and the french actually know about us and do you remember this is even a term that when we talk about anna of kyiv, we always said andeusta anna of ruska and changed it to anna of kyivska and here we need to change the opposite that rus is kyiv, this is ukraine they know about you oleksandr task number one it is clear to explain to the europeans that russia is ukraine, let's do it now, taking advantage of the fact that we also have antoine gorzhakovsky on the live air, religion from the nav wanted to talk about how russia, well, it exerts influence through our urban er, this influence is church as well i would like to talk to you. i think today you saw a video from novorossiysk where patriarch kirill was consecrating a church in novorossiysk and fell right in the middle of this consecration ceremony.

now this video is on our screens and now now it will happen today everyone is discussing it on social networks here is this fall er they are talking about er patriarchate er this is how it was described by the priest of the moscow patriarchate andriy pinchuk who at one time rebelled against the moscow patriarchate against er patriarch kirill and wrote in i will quote myself on facebook about the fall of the patriarch, which took place when the moscow devil and patriarch gundyaev consecrated the new russian temple with prayer hope, we are waiting for him to fall from the patriarchal throne in the same way as he fell into the new russian , well, this is a direct quote from the clergyman and here is a question for pzhakov to what extent did new ties and joining the european union help such

orthodox countries as bulgaria and romania to get rid of this influence of the russian orthodox church, you can look at it retrospectively and to analyze or at least downplay this influence of the russian orthodox church and now the orthodox church is mostly in a bad situation, she is sick, she is still not understanding what kind of impeski the roots are, just like that. about the romanian or bolgansk church, that they freed themselves from the soviet past, although not all the truth was told about the collaboration with the communist party during the cold war, but these churches have not

freed themselves until now from the imperial past, and here it must be the work of all orthodox churches, first of all, understanding the importance of the separation between the church and the state is a secular understanding of what philip orlik had when he wrote the constitution of the 18th century, but which was lost later, and it seems to me that it should be bigger the work is not only on the condemnation of patriarch kirill, but also on the condemnation of the political understanding on the part of the church. the church must be much more spiritual and democracy must be protected so that the nation can be alive, and this is the work of the 21st century. - this

работа на будущеся to your first answer to the first question and the provocations regarding how ukraine created the european union. you see, the provocation has not yet spread beyond your phrase, so let's listen. and how did ukraine create the european union? he knows for sure that in 1849 there was a conference in paris related to international law, but at that time the thesis was expressed that one day european nations will become fraternal, it will be a certain united states of america but in the context of the european great-grandmother, but here i will be much much more modest and will depart from the 20th and 19th centuries in the 17th century. in 1658, hetman ivan

vyhovsky and his chancellor yuriy nemyrych, who himself graduated from the sorbonne in paris and studied at the sorbonne in amsterdam, they created the hadiatsky project, according to which a new state and it has almost been formed, namely the commonwealth of three nations, the new european december, the kingdom of poland, the principality of lithuania, and we ukrainians, the grand duchy of russia, headed by a hetman with his the right charter in the ukrainian language the academy its coin court and actually the king of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth accepted it, that is, the year 1658 our ukrainian intellectuals created a union of three countries into one into a single union and this is actually the hadiac union the

hadiac treaty can be called in principle well, the first european union when three independent states unite into one military-political union where each of these states has its own army, our hetman exists as the head of the grand duke of russia and actually each of these countries mints a coin, they have their own judiciary, their own language the chancellery of its rulers, and this is a very interesting phenomenon that we actually forget about, but we can say and affirm that ukrainian intellectuals in 1658 were able to do that the king of the polish-lithuanian commonwealth accepted this proposal, but then, of course, political clashes began. and this is how i want to emphasize that on my youtube channel oleksandr ofirov, i explain this topic because it is very important to know that we are ukrainians