how did they plan it, that's why they are methodically now shelling the entire territory of ukraine and even those cities that they thought we had returned to a peaceful life, they will remember that the war is going on, it is undoubtedly the agony of putin's state, but we must always remember that 90% russians support putin and we must understand that the russian problem will not disappear as long as there is a russian state and all our efforts must be focused on the destruction of russia as a country and as an empire, and with regard to missile attacks i am just i would like to remind you that there is a lot of defamation of the experts who said that russia is running out of missiles , so they are not running out, they are there as long as there is a russian state, why is the destruction of the infrastructure now, uh, it looks like uh, well , the number one goal is because it is simple uh, scorched earth tactics, they all emphasize the alternatives

, in fact, they cannot defeat the army, and thanks to the hard work, the ukrainian army maintains its fighting capacity and, on the contrary, increases, not decreases, uh, look at our history . russia always won at the expense of what, what, the first for weeks, and the war, they destroyed the ukrainian army, and then they took city after city, village after village, destroyed ukrainian patriots and drove all the people into captivity . they simply take destroyed territories where life is impossible, in principle, this does not strengthen the russian state in any way, and the remote pressure is only from the majority and their losses are growing . before the challenges created by russia's war against ukraine, noting that president putin hopes for the opposite. he said this before the meeting with

german chancellor olaf scholz, we need to stick together. the us president noted that putin hopes that sooner or later there will be a split between nato allies and josephine, but this won't happen, didn't happen and won't happen, he emphasized , noted germany as a very close ally and its important role in europe, tired of ukraine, mr. volodymyr, is it close now please, i think that there is absolutely no question from ukraine at the political level. citizens of individual states of the european union or even individual states of the united states of america are concerned about inflation, which putin tried to increase the prices of basic energy products due to russian aggression. but nevertheless, she is on the side of ukraine and here it is very important that we have a strategic vision or with the same persistence that how you worked european and the agenda we must promote the same euro-atlantic and i still

i really hope that next week the ukrainian authorities will submit ukraine's application for membership in nato, because the russians are being bombed by the nato member states, they are bombing ukraine, and in order for these attacks to stop, we must submit an application and after victory there will be no full membership in nato , there is no alternative to this, and it won't be, but in ukrainian society, about society, even society. i understand that there is agreement there regarding nato, at least according to a poll in the ukrainian government now, well, at least i already mentioned it yarmak's interview for lb and ours for our colleagues and it seems to me that certain transformations are taking place in the attitude of the ukrainian ruling elite to the issue of possible membership in nato, at first they said that we could remain a neutral country with the status of a neutral non-aligned country under some guarantees of certain guarantors after all, then they began to look for guarantors, and they searched for a long time, but they did not find it. another

question. and now, when certain stabilization on the fronts began, and certain successes of the armed forces of ukraine began, yermak began to talk about that ukraine itself should be necessary for nato and is necessary for nato, it will strengthen nato, and when nato understands everything, then we will gladly join this bloc . well, what is my interpretation of this interview? four months, please, you took out the bank account, i welcome it in every way , because the previous actions of the ukrainian authorities reminded of the old ukrainian example that you want to spend the night and save your virginity, it doesn’t happen like that, and if zelenskyi wants to remain in the memory of ukrainians, how a person who needs to become thank you, he should also work with the utmost perseverance on the issue of nato and

the acquisition of membership of this organization, by the way, he was absolutely right and proudly said that we were not given membership in the eu . the only guarantor of our security, all other alternatives can try their stories, they led to the great war and to huge fines , so i hope that zelenskyi will still go down in history as a person who supported ukraine in nato and is not like kuchma was waiting chub, who is still cursed thank you, mr. volodymyr volodymyr omelyan , a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, well, it is now volodymyr for his participation, well, and at the end of the lithuanian topic, i wanted one more statement from the president of lithuania, a guitar player, read and quote. he believes that russia can from to connect his country to the regional energy system. he said that he was ready for anything to take revenge for the partial blockade of the kaliningrad region of the russian federation within the limits of sanctions, and at the same time the threat of military confrontation in

they do not see vilnius, the president said that ukraine is ready to take revenge on russia for the partial blockade of the kaliningrad region, quote, we are ready for unfriendly actions on the part of russia, such as disconnection from the power grid system or others, let me remind you, both in terms of gas and oil, lithuania has long been independent from the russian federation only the energy system remained semi-united, but i do not believe that russia will challenge us militarily, because we are nato , the gta declared us to be in a siege. here is the entire fifth point of the nato charter, we are members of nato, that's why we are not we are afraid of a military intervention, although i will remind you that the free house is located literally 60 km or even less from the border with the allied republic of russia, belarus, where russian troops are already concentrated there, the latest intelligence reports of the process, but the russians already think that they are fighting with nato, so the question here is how much can be taken glory to russia when logic cannot explain any

of their actions. and we are going further today, june 26, is defined as the international day of support for victims of torture, and this day is held with the aim eradicating torture and ensuring the effective functioning of the convention against precisely torture and other harsh inhuman or degrading acts of treatment and punishment. since 1984 , one has been in force in our country. i understand this convention in 1987 . associate professor of the federated states of political science and state administration, uh yes, vasyl stus university, lawyer, human rights defender, we congratulate you dmytro good day, i congratulate you, boris zakharov tarzami, human rights activist and director of the charitable foundation and the rights of boris, good health. thank you, now we probably have a different attitude to this day and

probably more. in that year, there were victims of torture. what is it? and now we see absolutely clearly how it is, boris zakharov. this means, well, for us, this means that we must a-a fight against torture. do everything to prevent torture and other types of inhumane treatment or punishment, as well as humiliation of the honor and dignity of a person, and unfortunately, in the conditions of war, this right is violated and violated constantly, especially ours by enemies who constantly resort to torture and ill-treatment a-a they remain participants in the convention of the european convention for the prevention of torture despite the fact that they were taken by the treachery of europe, they must fulfill the agreements

they signed, but we see a complete undermining of international law in general, complete non-fulfillment of all agreements and complete contempt in general right as such then how to fight that how to fight there some conventions are important and significant and that they must be carried out until implementation how then fight there with that fight how and we are fighting, first of all, on the fronts, this country needs this state, more precisely, we need to win and we need to win, this is the fight against evil, in fact, there are friends there, the second and third fronts, the diplomatic front, and the legal front, the international legal front, we need to document such crimes, we need to effectively investigate them and accordingly bring to justice in

international affairs a-a suspects of these crimes a-a dmytro please tell me how this term is qualified and what it means. victims of torture, torture - this is a specific definition in the legal field, yes, actually, i would like to draw attention to the fact that in the understanding of many of our fellow citizens, torture is associated with the most brutal and forms of such actions, which, accordingly, in our country, article 127 of the criminal code defines where responsibility, but in general, answering your question, i wanted to emphasize the following that torture is not only in the same actions that cause a resonance in society, which are committed by the police and by employees of penitentiary institutions there, and so on , and so on, similar testing, unfortunately, is something that

constantly accompanies the activities of police officers and police systems, in particular, as well as the bodies of e-e of the ministry of health, institutions of the ministry of health. with mental illnesses. and actually this is a phenomenon that we constantly encounter, unfortunately, and to overcome it. well, i told you that it is impossible. but it is almost impossible because it is a permanent phenomenon, but to make an effort, as mr. boris actually said, this is an absolutely correct opinion. you should constantly emphasize this and, in my opinion, what is being said is the trouble that the soldiers of the occupying forces are really committing actions that fall under the signs of torture. this is obvious, but on the other hand, it should not be removed from the fields of our attention are the same actions that, unfortunately, continue to be committed between our police officers and our employees of penitentiary institutions in ukraine, and this is very dangerous, sometimes through the

prism of war, sometimes through the prism of ideological national rise, we are killing and weakening the muscles of our, so to speak, trained mechanisms for combating torture in ukraine, this is a problem. well, i would just like to go to the garden. yes, but if you compare ukraine there with the same russia and belarus, it is as if in we are in a better situation here , first of all, i cannot do this for many reasons , and as a scientist and as a lawyer, and not only about that, well , if you want a specific example, as lawyers, i have a client who just sat there for three weeks in a lukyanivka with two bullets in the head and did not get treatment despite this, numerous letters and this is during the war, this is just an illustrative example when the state refused and then released him on bail, but the operation was done later, this is also coding, this is not beating, this is not something like that, but a person was brought almost to death by not providing medical

care and everyone, so to speak. well, let's also remember the pre-war episodes of andrii antonenko, yulia kuzmenko and yana dugar. antonenko sat for one and a half years without any teeth at all and came out of the same lukyaniv prison because he was also not given help and then people collected donations so that he could insert his teeth . even economic, because when any conditional head of some conditional regional or other police body makes a call to reduce the level of, for example, hmm, crime on the streets, we must understand what this reduction in the level is

crime, which takes place through artificial measures , has as a consequence, once again, the application of torture to suspects and accused persons with all the subsequent consequences, this is actually a very complex problem, which is far unlimited with legal frameworks, legal mechanisms and bringing people to justice. what kind of boris a do you see now in the due to the war, the number of such cases has even increased, where it is possible to cover up something with the war, hide it or write it off, that's what happens and that's what happens in the system execution of punishments and, unfortunately, we can say that first of all, this is a very common phenomenon in our country, according to research conducted by the kharkiv human rights group with the kharkiv institute of social research, we have more than 60,000 cases per year torture and ill

-treatment, ill-treatment in particular, reaches more than half a million cases a year, and we must first of all look at ourselves and eradicate it in our country, because we want to join the eu. we want to live in a normal european society in there is no place for torture in a normal european society, it should be flunktuation, of course , such cases also happen in european countries, but it is, well, if the scandal is big, i don't know if it is the personnel of the lukyaniv pre-trial detention center. well, maybe lukyanivska. i think that the others are there. they are not much different, it is possible to simply bring the members of the european commission into the chamber. for example, let’s take a look. these are people who have not been convicted. these are people who are only under suspicion. the court’s decision has

them. well, they may not be guilty and under what conditions they are simply staying and what after that then obsula von der lagin can tell us interestingly after such an excursion, the conditions of detention in our country are equated to bad origin, according to the practice of the european court of human rights, mr. dmytrenko is how to change this system in us 30 years of independence of ukraine but i think our pre-trial detention centers are not much different from the state in which they will be for 30 years. there is an idea of ​​denys moluska, the minister of justice, to pay for pre-trial detention centers, do you want to pay from the european union, there is no penitentiary service there bringing order to all systems under the european union is included in the concept of justice in the broadest sense of the word, first of all, secondly, i would like to once again emphasize the correctness of mr. boris's opinion in this regard, very simple statistics so that each of our fellow citizens can understand 500,000 cases per year in

various forms and for more or less qualified inappropriate behavior of half a million of these milps, millions, we have somewhere around a hundred reports of suspicion, out of these hundreds of reports of suspicion, we have a few sentences, so compare 500,000 and there, relatively speaking, 10-20, even this gap between practice and the reaction of the state is not important. therefore, it is necessary to start first of all with oneself. the reaction to any case of torture depends on intolerance on the part of victims, on the part of relatives, on the part of lawyers and all interested parties regarding such cases, because not even the european court constantly emphasizes that any statute of limitations cannot be applied to cases of torture, and this is very, very important, and especially in the conditions of the war that is currently taking place, that no one should escape from from responsibility for the use of torture, no one

in a month was interestingly researched somehow, well, that is, after all, it is a personal level, yes, a person who works there in the police must be, well, personally prone to violence, she must have such a desire. it is not necessarily a system created that way is it still a system that starts with the upbringing of children , before it was absolutely normal to beat your child for some misdemeanors, conditionally speaking, but now it is a completely different approach to beat children. it starts with upbringing absolutely for the majority for most ukrainians in the 90s, it was absolutely normal that some criminals were tortured. well, they are being tortured, they did something bad, they committed a crime, so they should be beaten on the head, relatively speaking, and

now there are completely different approaches, our society is changing and does not tolerate torture, this is the most important thing, but practices old soviet practices, they are kept in the bodies of the internal affairs bodies, for example, in the penitentiary system, and all the talk about the alleged red zones and the black zones and so on ah-ah-ah, these practices. what, yes, if you don’t beat, if it’s not bad to disagree, then it means that there is a criminal criminal authorities will prevail there in this peno-tential institution eh and so on, that is, this criminal world is integrated into our life and how we are carrying out de-russification and decommunization now, but first of all, we must not

fight with symbols, although this is also important. and we must eradicate soviet practices. peace against which we are fighting and this chemist movement must be overcome, mr. dmytro, please. yes, i would like to continue mr. boris's thesis with a very recent example that actually characterizes why there is a phenomenon of torture in ukrainian society and not only because of law enforcement officers. looters or alleged looters were tied to poles in public places in ukrainian cities and in public, so to speak, they covered their mouths with some object and tied them to the point of heart attacks to of people's deaths, and actually this one was, well, i was personally and

professionally surprised by the reaction of the ukrainian people, which was aimed at the workers, and they were exactly like that. and actually, from the very beginning, it seemed to me personally, and unfortunately this was confirmed , that europe will look at us as savages when we are tying up our fellow citizens who stole there, it doesn't matter if there is a bag of potatoes or something like that. and in fact, these same photos got on the front pages of western newspapers to characterize what ukrainian society represents after the last war - this if i'm not mistaken, or the economist of the place also published these bright brutal photos and this is a business card that should go down in history, not always mine, we had a discussion with the police about this very matter, because i'm from irpen, which was, well, 70% occupied in which there was simply no official authority,

so there were no police or judges, but there were a lot of looters and a lot of facts of looting , why by civilians? and how then does society react in these situations in other ways if there is no police or court nearby, but it is real a looter who steals his neighbor's property, what should citizens do? i emphasize a very unpopular criminological thesis, but this is science - this is practice, this is a study that such cases of tying people to poles, they absolutely do not deter other looters from committing similar crimes in the future in similar conditions there may be another reaction , i.e. to simply be indifferent let him steal well let him steal he is a looter let him take property what to do ah again i emphasize that my thesis is unpopular and i met a lot of criticism from this question, but let's see. well, if the

conditions in which, unfortunately, irpin was during the military aggression, a person was injured, was injured by a thief from a driver, and then it is certainly possible. well, why waste your time, your energy, your strength in order to bind someone to torture in order to, well, this is nonsense, this is not confirmed by history, this is, well, just like in the middle ages , thieves were tied and left hanging on trees in the city near the town hall and in the squares so that nothing else would be stolen, this has never worked well, this is 10 centuries of european practical topics , you can continue. dmytro yagunov. thank you , doctor of political sciences and boris zakharov , human rights defender, man and law, boris zakharov charitable foundation. with you, we are also sometimes inclined to tie a person to a tour to see. well, we also ate this culture in the

european way, but europe just for the last 70 years, thank god, did not feel what war is and lack of full power, lack of the police, because then we will descend to their level and then what are we better than them and what kind of europe is it for us sandra katevych crime and all the same i answered so and did not understand about the owners but for now sandra krutevych is waiting and we are them invite to a conversation, i welcome you sandro from good afternoon, sister of the chief of staff and first deputy commander of the azov regiment, major bohdan krutevich e oleksandr. please tell me about your brother, where is he? do you have any information and contact with him now, where is he is located i don't know somewhere either in the uncontrolled territory of ukraine or in the mainland territory of ukraine in russia more precisely a-a sorry a-a is still waiting for any information either from our

authorities or from lawyers who deal with this issue, you have no contact with him no, i have not been in touch since may 20, and for more than a month i do not know anything about the whereabouts of my brothers and other signs. and why do you say that you are waiting for information from our authorities? do you not have communication with the responsible persons , we have communication, but where specifically him i am waiting for this information, and who are you communicating with now, who is managing this issue from the authorities, well, put it off, well, of course, the main intelligence of ukraine is doing this, maybe someone from the president's office, i don't know, well, we are talking, we are waiting for oleksandr, the connection was here after the boys were actually captured. although they are not called prisoners there, what is happening to them now, what is their

moral and psychological state, are they fed there, in what conditions do they live or do they live together it's all connected, who, er, surrendered to her as a prisoner, or has she already been divided into groups and kept in different places and possibly in different cities, here is the last information, if there is communication with the boys, then what, please, where are they , how do they live, no one will tell the truth. you well, you understand, they are constantly under supervision, they can say one thing and on the uh-uh and it can be completely as if that's why uh-uh, what kind of food is there, it's also unknown, the red cross should deal with this, which uh, still doesn't deal with it as it should to do this, to check in what conditions they are where are they located, are they eating normally, are they receiving medical care, are they normal, ah-a-a, they have to deal with it, there are currently big actions that we are holding all over the

world, and i really hope that this will somehow affect the red cross, the international partners of ukraine, they will finally take care these issues will also begin to affect russia and the red cross so that they finally get to the territory not under the control of ukraine. finally, they asked russia and got to our guys and checked where they are. during the surrender process, the international red cross was present. we talked a lot positively that there is a ukrainian red cross and an international red cross. and these are two completely different structures with the international red cross. do the relatives of our soldiers have any contact or not, because the international red cross itself was engaged in exactly well , i'm sorry, the record of those people who were captured is a bad word for the record of people, but you started to fill out personal cards there in several versions so that later well, then you would have documentary confirmation of the number and of the personal

of that unit of those units of that garrison that surrendered as a prisoner with a red cross. we are talking directly with the international e-e as an association of the families of the defenders of azov steel and we already have plus or minus more or less normal communication and we hope that they will be able to influence to come and see, but again, more is needed here, even so that our state should first of all turn to the red cross and ask international partners, etc., who should influence and check for now, well, personally my opinion is that i don't see it yet, the first actions around the world came yesterday, i didn't really see in our e-media e-e mass information that they are taking place in support of the defenders of

azov steel and from our state. for some reason, i don't see it the same there are some reposts or information about what is going on, that is why such actions are taking place. well, here the question is even more to our state than to international partners or international organizations, why are we silent, why are we not doing anything from the center, but you are still doing these actions abroad, that is, you appeal to the governments of other countries, you don't, well, don't do actions there, we have foreign media, they are demonstrated actions, after all, these are appeals to the authorities and society of foreign countries, and not to ukraine, that's why foreign media demonstrate it here. we plan and in ukraine, but a little bit we have a different situation here , after all, you can see that military operations are underway, every day some missiles fly into kyiv, today it suffered a lot, and kharkiv and other cities are constantly suffering, therefore, friends, the main method we have is half a minute, the main message

of your shares, in general, your address, send it to whom and that the main message is to the international community about what they should remember, thanks to whom they now live peacefully, as well as the main message to ukrainians, who recently lived more or less peacefully and ah can have the opportunity to live because a large number of military personnel and equipment were concentrated in mariupol and azovstal, and we need to return these boys home. they were promised that they would be returned home, so let 's do it already. we join in all your actions and appeals sandra krutevich, sister of the chief of staff and first deputy commander of the azov regiment, major bohdan krekevych, we hope that sandra will soon be able

to talk to her brother.