i would also like to remind you that it was the gut-wrenching visit that i mentioned to kaliningrad of the secretary of the russian national security and defense council . why did it happen? in my opinion, it did not even happen because they are preparing some plan of aggressive war against lithuania there, for the simple reason that i think that such the plans have been prepared for a long time, so there is no need to indulge in illusions. but why did he go there ? i thought that he went there because they are not sure of the socio-economic situation, because i want to remind you that the governor of the leningrad region is the only person who in an online meeting with putin, she reproached him with the fact that the economy of russia and kaliningrad is deteriorating due to the war against ukraine and the sanctions imposed as a result, and then putin corrected him aggressively, so he answered that it is not a war, a special operation, and so on, but against the background of how people started run to hardware stores everywhere and

ah, these discussions began that you mentioned about the possibility that kaliningrad will move somewhere. i think they were unsure of the internal political economic situation there, social economic, etc. then they seconded patrushev as a well-known chekist with experience, who is obviously far from a commander, and who, after all, works at the internal level, he understands this repressive and so on, that's why he went there, and regarding lithuania and the situation, you see , nothing they did could scare russia began training with the use of jet artillery , why exactly with this if, for example, the baltic fleet is located there in kaliningrad, there, well, in the ukraine-grad region, and so on, and why reactive because they wanted to intimidate direct parallels with what is happening in the east and south of ukraine, where ukrainian cities are being destroyed by russian-made rocket artillery. it was not possible to intimidate in this way. now they are starting to think. and

what can we do next, and in what way? this is the real trend. when did we stop being so afraid of russia? as it was feared a few months ago, it is precisely because of the fact that ukraine, the ukrainian people, the armed forces demonstrated that how can you kill russia, how can you fight against them despite their power , the number of armies, and so on, and this includes me i think that it helped the eu and nato and our neighbors in a different way to see and start to feel confident that in this situation, thank you oleksandr musienko, the director of the center for military and legal research was visiting us. thank you, mr. oleksandr. kudos to the ukrainian armed forces. this is how i understood the people in the end. and this one is directed and because now the lithuanians sit like that and say so, listen. if ukrainians hit the face like that, they

ca n't do that either. diplomatic ones, we will go now with er yes, with ihor kharchenko, the extraordinary plenipotentiary for ukraine. good health, we congratulate you, mr. ihor, it is nice to see you, we have not seen each other for many dozens of years. i congratulate you. good health. glory to ukraine. yes, i asked for our hardware to make sure that we can hear our guests oleksandr melechuly and igor, we can't hear well either, i would ask that we hear better because we need to have a conversation so that we can already hear it's great, we can already hear it thank you a-a p kharchenko see i welcome you to the program in our it's nice to see you and let's talk about, look , irresponsible politicians and journalists say that we need to put pressure on the europeans to accept us into

nato, there will already be a nato summit - jaysoven, let's do something, let's persuade them, and such more responsible people say, well it's not nonsense, it won't happen, anyway, there's no point in writing there, calling, saying , calling, then a biblical question arises, because in the bible it is written, if you knock, it will be opened to you, then knock and it can be opened, or is it without a promising story and this is years, well, at least up to 5 years. when ukraine will be overthrown by the russian government and then only then will ukraine be able to somehow write closer to nato on a step 2:3 . the road, what does it consist of , the road to nato and to the european union, let's

briefly talk about the european union, because it is now uh, it was relevant. a couple of days ago, uh, it was in the headlines from the point of view of philosophy, uh, the issue of joining the european union is much deeper in terms of of ukraine not only because, uh, we have been banging on for a very long time and finally, uh, we have achieved this. a couple of days ago, because even six months ago, the europeans did not even think like this. years were very afraid . i think the content of this radical change in the policy of the european union in relation to the possible membership of ukraine in the future and, moreover, the granting of official candidate status to the members in the roll, they

reflect exactly what i captured. the end of your discussion with previous guest, precisely this change in the paradigm of european thinking and something else global about russia, which happened thanks to this great ukrainian war that we are waging for the liberation of putin, they are no longer afraid and the main conclusion, as far as i am concerned, is the official status of ukraine's candidacy, members of the european union, this is precisely the conclusion of the one about which not everyone thinks about often, but it seems to me to be the main soviet union. two more is impossible, simply impossible, even now officially regarding nato, the question is much simpler. er, how much personal experience do i have, er, with this nato organization, i have very little, since 1997, 25 years, as the charter will be, which

i made with these hands, then i will simply remind you that the decision is political , too, for ukraine, it has already been made, it is recorded in the results nato in 2008 in bucharest, ukraine will be a member, that is, a political decision has been made, now the question when is our favorite question , you know, it is not so important to me, right now, right today, of course, the 25th anniversary , there is a charter, too much, you say gsaven there, gsaven, the main thing now is how effectively nato, the european union, and the g7 countries will help ukraine logistically, the political budget helped the euroday candidate status - this is the main political e-e. let's say the result of

support in recent days, but how effectively logistically these all respectable institutions will help ukraine to do the work that she is good at doing in the 5th month destroys this putin machine because this issue is the main one today how from the point of view of us here in ukraine from the point of view of our survival of our er normal life and from the point of view of normality er in the broad sense of normality in the sense of international relations, because today what putin is doing in ukraine is neglecting all the international legal and institutional developments that were compiled after the second world war, just recently the deputy head of the president's office ihor zhovkva said that the ukrainian authorities will not yet take steps to join nato

due to the position of individual member states. we want nato to understand and recognize that ukraine is the cornerstone of the security system on the european continent, if nato members do not recognize the real situation with what is happening in europe and ukraine, then this document will become just another piece of paper that is absolutely not important . we would like to refrain from taking any steps in this direction for the time being. do you think it is necessary to make such statements, they say. if you simply do not take us now, then we will not pursue it so much from the point of view of the bureaucratic point of view what does it all look like, nato membership, european membership, the corner members of the club, those who are there now, that the union, that they should officially invite ukraine, then we should receive an invitation, so we should receive an invitation, because

the political decision and once again on the european destruction, we only candidates for nato, it already exists, we will be a member. so, when the members of nato agree among themselves that today or tomorrow or the day after tomorrow , we will send such an invitation to ukraine, then ukraine will already become a member normally. but in essence, in essence, where fact i don't know today any other non-nato member except ukraine who would have already sat in this nato , including logistics, why do i say that because everything that we see today is within the framework of this let's say ramstein aid english - american aid to nato, you know that. well, an umbrella is such a power, it is a beautiful umbrella, a beautiful sign there, the headquarters is like

any international institution, but all the decisions of any international institution are made in the capitals, so here are the main decisions that are made and then they are recorded already in the nato headquarters and put the nato seal, they are mostly approved , we will not do it like this, it is a big secret to do this in several leading capitals of the member countries in order to achieve a concert and consensus of these several leading member countries regarding the ticket it probably takes some time for ukraine to become a member, but you mentioned that there is a quote from this document that until nato understands that there ukraine is a keystone of security and nato perfectly understands all this in 1997.

a ukrainian diplomat whose nato magazine interview printed just this phrase that ukraine is a cornerstone of european security is there in this article of the year 1997, it is about the signing of the charter on a special partnership because then it was already in the 90s for those who understand in the problem it was clear that ukraine is really a keystone of european security. today, unfortunately, because of putin's phantasmagoria about the soviet union-2, we experience all this every day on our land, and we are better at killing those who came to kill us than others. to do with the gnat logistics assistance, the sooner they will issue us this ticket, such a simple body, thank you, one more question, again, more philosophical, look, there is a discussion going on in ukrainian society, uh, it is quite serious, java is just for you

, i am asking how serious this discussion is, there are rumors, many experts say that the big western countries don't want to help ukraine so much because the set of weapons is not the same. before long, these weapons get to ukraine, they don't have time to get there. when it is necessary, this means that america is not even britain not to mention the other members of nato, they slow down a little in order to prevent the victory of ukraine or such a devastating victory of ukraine. did not help and what would you say if you were involved in such a wonderful discussion that they say in ukraine they are not

in a hurry to help even such versions and i even supported one of them for a certain time what for zelenskyi and putin appear at the negotiating table at the end, and if ukrainian weapons show themselves, then zelenskyi has a strong position. and where do we ask the french? and where do we ask the germans? and where do we ask the americans? then it turns out that ukraine independently defeated russia and it puts into the world his new picture of the same world, please , mr. games well, i'm not a fan of history eh, so there is such a direction, you know what would happen if it was like that eh, somehow it's there alternative history or something but we didn't do it they did not make it so that it was so. i am a historian of such a classic. let's put it this way, and these discussions

, including the ones you mentioned, they remind me of the discussions in britain in the years 1940-1941. were not yet in the war, so that he would put 50 old destroyers that were in service with the united states but were not used due to the fact that naval approaches were already outdated for britain - that’s a lifeline, that’s what they call it, they can’t do it without the fleet, because everything is imported germany at that time, they made these submarines and they actually wanted to take them to the blockade. that is, you know , roughly. the americans don’t want to have the same discussions. that’s when the british, these americans, you know, you said correctly, mykola. this discussion can be answered in one very short

phrase, as much as they help ukraine today, they haven't helped a country since the second world war as quickly as we all would like, well, it's not done, but it's not done on any decision. all the more important decision more a decision that concerns weapons in a very sensitive area requires time, requires effort, requires people, requires logistics to bring it all to a logical end, how much do you know again from the history of the second world war for two years, the soviet union, represented by stalin, criticized its allies for not opening the second front unfortunately, two years this was one of the most favorite topics of soviet historiography, so where is that second front, the anglo-americans who are helping us today as it should be?

back then, we just talked about it in our history course , we didn't teach it, we talked like that until we were 100% sure. that all the logistics of this opening of the second front have been worked out to the smallest detail. the second front will not be opened because we do not throw away the lives of our soldiers in vain, that's just how it happened, in the end , there will be no discussions, mykhailo, but the help that ukraine receives today eh in terms of weapons, including from those countries that are leading today eh in english i apologize to the north atlantic alliance, she is an extraordinary support in ukraine in these conditions. well, and you - great britain separately is also a small diplomat, i would even say a good diplomat is necessary and we have known each other

for a long time and i can afford to evaluate a very good diploma thank you, sir. all the best. thank you for taking the time to girls, so far our officials are calling on the gs7 countries to give more armed forces in view of the missile defenses that are increasing on the part of the russian federation, so we expect more specific decisions regarding supplies weapons, we need anti-aircraft defense in the first place to shoot down all the missiles, and by the way, the missiles are flying very low over the mykolaiv oblast, over the south buz nuclear power plant, which is very dangerous not only for us but for the whole of europe. i don't really understand why they react to this somehow too gently well, well, it’s hard for me to imagine what can be done with a psychopath who’s throwing up grades, we’ll handle it ourselves, it’s not a fact, there’s no such thing as

100% anti-aircraft forces, the jews came up with a fantastic idea, yes, the israeli ones, but still, he misses something under all conditions, even more so the arabs who are shooting at the jews have unguided rockets. they are simply made by hand and can be shot down more easily. if it is so high-tech, it can be more difficult. it is a big question, but still, we are without an expert on energy issues, because july is no longer on our nose . then august, then the wonderful month of september, and then the best, and then already october, it's already cold then, and we can't do without heaters . energy expert gennadiy ryabtsev is on the phone, we already see him, in fact, good health, thank you which is always for us time, i always wonder at people, i'm not surprised and angelica, we work on sundays, but when someone

works on sundays, i'm surprised with him, that's why i especially thank you, so there is an option. yes, the europeans will be able to get by with heating their homes this winter, because i somehow think that if the europeans find a way out of the situation with the russian gas actually being cut off, then something will happen to the ukrainians, so this is a question, europe will find countermeasures, so they will find of course they will find it, because for some reason it is considered that europe is heated exclusively by gas , exclusively by uh, the temperature in winter in households, houses, homes is plus 22, as they are

used to, most ukrainians there are 15 and they are lucky to have 15 when they have what am i talking about ? well, of course, i would not like to break the ukrainian traditions, when we open the windows wide during frost, because the temperature is +24 and higher there, but unfortunately, most likely, this will have to be done in normative this heating season the temperature will be reduced, well, this is almost an established fact , er, and an expected fact from 18 to 16°, but europeans will live in europe exactly as they did in the 70s, when they were experiencing the embargo and further, when they were experiencing a significant increase in the cost of energy carriers with for various reasons, including due to

russian blackmail. yes, this will lead to certain protests, probably because not everyone agrees to bear any losses or receive such gifts from putin in the form of a three -fold increase in the cost of clothing or something otherwise, i do not think that there will be any difficulties with europe, just as i do not think that there will be any difficulties with the right bank of the country in the next heating season in relation to the plume bank, especially those areas that suffered from e-e russian aggression, this is sumy oblast, chernihiv , dnipropetrovsk, all in the south regions of ukraine , speaking of donetsk well, serious problems may arise there, first of all, due to damage from the

destruction of the infrastructure of the main pipelines, so what the government is doing now, and he says that the most important thing is to buy gas and accumulate it in underground gas storages, in my opinion, is not what most ukrainians on the left bank need. and what can the government do ? to restore the entire infrastructure with the energy infrastructure, and it will fly in again and spoil the whole thing, not restoration, because it is quite clear that the tests of the chp that were destroyed in the next two months, even with the available finances , will be restored there is no possibility and therefore it is necessary to provide

citizens with resources in order for them to be able to independently or collectively within the framework of an apartment building or a street or a district or a populated point of a town of a village provide themselves first of all using local energy resources, unfortunately we currently do not even have a permit for that the residents of an apartment building install individual heating points, individual heating points , this requires the consent of all residents of this apartment building, so to say all possible bans, to remove all possible regulatory acts that limit the ability of citizens to independently do things so that they normally experience the same

heating season, the cold weather that is just around the corner and do so so that money from the state budget is not directed to the purchase of billions of cubic meters of gas that nobody needs and the accumulation of millions of tons of coal that nobody needs all local government bodies, all territorial communities know better what they need to do and how, nadia has two more questions, the first one is directly related to ukraine, is it correct that we have our gas transportation system ? to fulfill certain obligations or is it more for europe, let's say because the nord stream-2 is not working,

they do not have enough resources to receive in addition to our e pipe, this is the first question and the second immediately, but the european union is afraid of the executioner consumption of coal because many countries say well, if we are going to get the necessary resources, then we need to return to coal energy, and ursula fondolyan directly, the president of the european commission says that she is not surprised by this, and in order to return to fossil fuels, it is necessary to adhere to those of the previous agreements regarding renewable energy, as well as transit the federation, which receives money from this, and ukraine, which receives money from this, which goes by the way , including for financing the defense forces of ukraine, which

is also very interesting, and europe, which, unfortunately, is unable to refuse the supply of russian energy carriers in the short term. of course, there are some hot the heads are saying, er, that we should abandon this and suddenly cut off supplies however, this would be a direct breach of our obligations under the association agreement with the eu before we do that we need to explain why we don't able to transport this fuel and prove it to such eu member states. only then will we be able to do it, but we see that it is not profitable for anyone with regard to thermal coal. so now europe has increased the volume of coal supplies, for example, to the same south african republic several times and it has already purchased more than it did in the past for the

whole of last year, and this is also a consequence of the gradual abandonment of russian energy carriers , i.e. now there is a choice or a temporary return for a short-term perspective to use of fossil fuels or the waiver of sanctions imposed on the russian federation and the sale of barva oil may even er- some measures within the framework of the gas embargo, which will not be implemented in full, but some countries are already implementing good, that is, er-e rejection of russian natural gas and we see that the north of europe has already completely given up on it, but even one more two questions, we just have two minutes, literally a little short if possible. thank you for the previous answers. look, you reassured us.

on the 22nd for the winter of 22-23 well, it will be 16-18, okay, we will survive, but we are receiving information that it is not a problem yet, but the problem is 23-24, because now there are some gas residues in the storages, now there is something and in europe and in ukraine, but what to do in 23-24 this winter, because then there will be nothing left, and even then it is not known what to do. this is the first question, and i will ask the second later before the very end of the program. please, if you can think, it is necessary i.e. now, and moreover, to make decisions already today, the relevant recommendations are also contained in the energy strategy of ukraine for the period until 2035 and in the energy security strategy that was adopted last year, that is, now the so-called energy transition is taking place all over the world, and this energy

transition is accompanied by a phenomenon called energy democracy. if previously the supply of energy resources from the provision of services was carried out by large monopolies, which pocketed a very large share of the trade in all this. now everything is going to the point that every settlement, every territorial community, every house, every the home must independently think about what resources to use and what technologies to apply in order to provide itself with fuel and energy, and the state must take care that such initiatives are welcomed and stimulated, including financially, materially and in various ways, and this is already being implemented in the european union. god bless you in european language