in fact, they continue to intimidate ukrainians, to destroy ukrainian infrastructure, to convince them that they must agree to their conditions, which, by the way , change every day, and this is of course a rather serious problem, which, one way or another, is an important part of our current political situation archil tsimtsadze, a georgian military diplomat former verified case of georgia, ukraine, adviser to the prime minister of ukraine and the minister of defense of ukraine on defense reform. greetings, panchyv. good afternoon, you know me i wanted to start from the position of this week when the three states of the european union that received their applications received different results. ukraine and the republic of

moldova received different results. that the european union may have claims against the current georgian government. we remember that in general, all destabilization processes in the post-soviet space of putin's time it started precisely with the attack on georgia in 2008, then this attack was not adequately assessed by the international community, this is a fact and it was not adequately assessed by ukraine. i am not ready to become even a conditional candidate for the members of the european union, because we understand that this is a conditional status, that otherwise the republic of moldova will have to perform difficult tasks in order to receive this status, at least vladimir putin himself can to say that his hands are untied in the caucasus, but then the question is always about georgia and bosnia. and that it is necessary to wait for a new war in order to give candidate status, who on good day every time

look at me, er, i commented in this way that eh is in georgians great nubida aliga video well, now they are talking about ukrainian high-ranking officials and european politicians. well, i think that in volodymyr, what they consume so much, the candidate, i don't even do anything else, and i don't even miss, er, paying attention to those requirements which are the european union correctly, all the time they believed that this is within the political struggle, it will not really affect the external political force, and the fact that there are desires of the people the most important thing is that there are huge desires and you are part of the ego and i think that they are somehow time this is all he is trying to do, not on his

own mistakes and not on how to say, uh, not on the improvements that were made by the government in ukraine, and he told them about the work of some of them in politics and in different countries, in that including in ukraine, and here are these politicians and they are ours they arranged such a situation at a sortaliya takoy hello, i am pasharu, according to which we should say and this is both of them. i think she is left. well, how would we honestly talk to each other? being in the embassy, ​​like, er, in the 10th year, when there were elections, er, yanukovych and tymoshenko, they participated in these elections, a catalog of necessarily ukrainians, they wanted to be proud of these elections,

and this did not bring anything good, not in this state relations, nothing good such a plan that then we had to include two years through the embassy, ​​it makes the relationship work, well, i go t year, the same thing. i think the same mistakes are allowed when there is a--a confusion of internal concepts. i think that the meaning of the ukrainian concept is dumb. time to europe, i will not go there. in any case, the fact is that he took a closer look now , and i still wanted to push the button . they are in such an intense phase as their current phase uranova, they usually have us aleksey what is happening there and this is still even before the movement of the border movement a-and there well south ossetia conditionally in fact and this is the war she

starts we correctly said it starts since the eighth year, when the whole world closed its eyes, and now i don't remember exactly , in that peace agreement, there was only paper left, and the russian side did practically nothing infracra to the fact that the leaders were completely alone, they tried on their part to fulfill these peace agreements, but analysis since 1991, if the intensity in the eighth of the preparers is pretty high, and before that, the intensity is gone, that is, the sinkhole, and i think that even the thought of daring with the russian federation, as long as there is a simulated territory, it does not exist and again, they said correctly, i will put a hundred cloves with you that yes, this is also very dangerous from the european side and from european politicians.

может быть еще и разведенная карта in yes 1.3 in the next elections, and in principle, in principle, in principle, how do you think, uh, georgia will still get this candidate status, and if so, when will you understand ? here are the main group of party representatives of georgia from sodeniya and others, and i have the impression that they absolutely do not differ in their thoughts and words . there may be some moments that do not interfere. and gives way to them a friend, a friend, and here are these concessions, they pour out a-a at what moments when democracy suffers, and here are the conditions that are set, and here are the democratic principles on which the state concerns and on the

restructuring of our partners. i think that sooner or later, georgians will not mature, and i i know that the second party needs something. it is better to accept the fact that reality is not necessary. there is no need for a full-fledged struggle, but the state conditions are on it - the number fully allows georgians. and today there will be a lot of reforms in europe. yes, i agree with those things. some reforms have been suspended. well, i think that for some part of georgians, that uh-uh topic uh-uh uh-uh will be the catalyst that will give me the opportunity to continue and re-form, and then you will try to integrate european series what do you think, in principle , how serious is the danger for the caucasus , for georgia, for azerbaijan? i even said for armenia, taking into account the entire geopolitical situation , how ready is moscow to incite a

conflict there? a clear understanding of the fact that the european union stands as the ruler of georgia, azerbaijan is the patron of turkey and armenia, according to the russian federation, everyone has their own interests, now we have clearly begun to understand in georgia what is happening in the european union not quite such as how to tell all the interests and we stay in the middle of the election, well, if the decision is made to think there, they choose some foreign police force, then who chose the winning army or in which azerbaijan chose well, to be honest, we are passing here is such an eccentric opinion, where there are two different civilizations, they are stakes, this is russian and turkish, that is, influence, economic and political, this is the real one. i think that now they will connect the georgian foreign

police. how would it remain true to the extra policy that was this shooting in the european union with the appearance of a game-like kind, and how will the region itself exist, let's say when armenia is a member of the eurasian union, georgia can become a member of the european azerbaijan oriented towards turkey. how can it actually work? i wonder which ones can be simply turned off, read and you will remember that once upon a time, georgia, azerbaijan, and armenia were one state like uh , a federal state, which, well, united there and so on. i think that this is how much their interests are. well, these hands prevail, here, in armenia, it

is realistic to revive it. well, i don't even know what kind of plan the georgian government has at the expense of that. we we pretended to have a good relationship, we were some kind of peaceful partner, we were the only second and tried to make peace in the direction that was taking place, but without making a move, they told us that they would fight more there, better because there would be less attention on us, and there would be the russian federation, and we, like us we can be. well, i still know what i hope for. i hope for the last 20 years . go to the 9th. georgia has grown up completely. new generation. a generation of people who do not speak russian. they do not understand it for them. another foreign language, but later i watched you for a week for the fact that in georgia there is still a generation that has grown up now, and

they will probably have a new politician, even though it is a european one. orientate on a-a on the modern on on the progressive i think that uh well, georgia has always been a leader in the region and in terms of foreign policy and we have been economized. breaks better сейчас, but i hope that this is all the same, you have western development. and we will manage somehow, the police with azerbaijan, in the end, to achieve that i will be them, too, uh, desktop, more european. and tell me, do you allow that, after all, still in all european games , automatic integration will take place without solving the issue of occupied territories. all three countries have them in ukraine - this is crimea now from donbas and

the south to the east. well, i hope that all territories will be liberated, but if anything, no, moldova transnistria in georgia is abkhazia south session how can you integrate somewhere without solving or without solving such problems well, you know what i think to do then in the political changes that are happening they will happen all the time and they will happen sacred there 30 years every 35 every 50 years and focused on what we have today this is how things have not turned out politically. we have occupied territories for the future . российский федерации well, it can always be, but it will be bigger or smaller at some point. and we will succeed because, well, if we look again, historically, we will definitely see that our territory grew and returned to its borders, which were originally on the georgian border. then she intervened.

i think that this should not be the case. today we must understand that here we are. yes, we are integrating. and tomorrow it will be. well, it is much more convenient to have some kind of political situation and we will be able to find a ---------------------------------------------------------------- what is occupied territories should not mentally be for us. this is an obstacle and he says that well, while they are occupied with us, we will not be able to move anywhere and we have to wait like this, fall down, when they will be her compartment, they will be occupied, we agreed that we will not be these the occupied territories will be returned by military means, but they will be returned to the peaceful way, it means playing, it means developing, it means mathematics, it means rising knowledge , people, and this is the european future. that's right, she didn't lose something, on the contrary, i consider it a help so that we could

return our lost territories, thank you, thank you, sir, and they taught me, let me remind you that artil sensadze, diplomats, military, former chargé d'affaires of georgia in ukraine and adviser to the prime minister of ukraine and the minister of defense of ukraine on defense reform was in touch with us on the espresso tv channel, see you soon, and this seems to me to be a very important moment that we are talking about, how all kinds of integration will take place. i think it is important that you and i they talked by car because i said the last thing , sometimes they forget about the role played by georgia in its time in resisting russian aggression in order to demonstrate to the international community that in the post-soviet space there may be different options for development, this was when ukraine itself had multi-vector foreign policy when the ukrainians were just preparing to make the choice that russia did not like so much,

it is obvious that the former soviet republic, if they do not want to become part of the russian federations they must all win together, it will not work alone, only this joint anti-imperialist solidarity can allow us to return to the civilized world of the race as a convicted member of the european parliament from the republic of lithuania the minister of defense of lithuania is not far from us i greet you smuckers tell me, madam , what's for dinner i still want to understand what is happening now with transit from the main territory of the russian federation to kaliningrad, lithuania has banned this transit the logical solution absolutely corresponds to the norms introduced by the european union, by the way , the decisions, as far as i understood beforehand, were brought to the average russian government, that is, there is no sensation. now, when this solution has already begun to work, we suddenly hear from your collections - this is what they say in the painting

parliament . the european commission can offer the lithuanian republic to allow the passage of goods from russia to russia, and as if everything now depends on lithuania itself. that is, you can not allow it. but it's yours then to say your own problems and you can solve them because europe will not take any action against you if these goods with promotions will go through your territory from the main territory of russia in the kaliningrad region, this is how it looks in general, this is how people are passengers in reality now they drove like that and they will drive and will drive. only two cargoes were sanctioned back in march , the fourth sectional package. only two categories of cargo are steel and ferrous metals.

one percent of all traffic through lithuania was told that it will come into effect on june 17, and that's why your question is what is happening and why does russia act like that, of course , and the main one russia is important. explain a little because russia was just five days ago last friday, eh, she managed to eh, make such an informational attack against lithuania, eh, and many people in the world understood that lithuania did something on its own , how- that provokes russia, and, er, a war against lithuania and russia has begun the parties started to mention the dog corridor and the threat, and i look at it

more broadly, yes, in such a broader context, when, in the context, it started again with belarus, and the bombings they started even in kiev er putin is threatened ergeraet the west is threatened er-er before the summits and ge-7 is happening now and er-er the nato summit will be next week er-er and such the blackest character er-er whose plan about er- it's been a long time since everyone said that there will probably come a moment when putin will be in the corner and they will eat lulu through him that's a long time, it's even more difficult, it 's even difficult to take those regions that are in the east of ukraine, which already

speaks of the whole of ukraine. summary, but i do not rule out that they may have in mind and the so-called de-escalation is already a threat to the so-called west and to some nato state or even more, only this scenario is also being considered. the day after tomorrow what will the commission say yes there are such svedenie i certainly don't have exact and this line that what decisions will be made, but it's also under discussion in lithuania. as far as i know, it was published that it will be and all the main political departments are meeting tomorrow to decide what to do because of the pressure. i'm not going to hide it. i know this pressure on the european commission from some large

states, uh, in the military sense, uh, and they're only from the european union, by the way, uh, that 's what we need to do, something needs to be decided in a different way, uh, what does that mean ? it will be i don't know of course it is the most important thing if it wasn't for this, it wouldn't be due to our sovereignty. well, because if today is one step back, then tomorrow it will be necessary to take a second and a third , fourth step back, but probably. i'm not including the fact that these states probably have some information. i know that what they have and what is in the mind of this uh-uh madness or these lunatics who threaten this disintegration and here is iskander there you know that yesterday there were uh new iskanders in

belarus and so on and so on just about what they want to give you the opportunity to say on your own, er, decide if you allow it, you will say, we will observe the action regime, and russia will stop some kind of provocation against lithuania, they will tell you. well, you don’t see . there is a solution, so i don't want these speculations , what will the european woman say to her, what will she say? i don't think that there will be a cure somehow, and we 'll see, i don't want these speculations, which i don't know. well, as i wanted in general, he will ask, in principle, do you think that this is the reason for him? it seems that russia was just looking for some reason to threaten lithuania. of course, this is what i am

talking about . it was not there, allegedly, you were provoked by the press, something was provoked by the press in 1939, when they started a war against poland, eh, i apologize to the sports in finland. i show that ukraine is a country of nazism and so on. what will happen. they will already attack russia, but they always do it, of course. but only this time it was given to him because, uh, last friday from kansas, the canadian one, how much i uh, it was interesting to me. this is the etiology how, how, for two days, the whole world wrote,

uh, they wrote on everything that lithuania stopped the transit of this, there was no dissolution, the transit was stopped, this is only a trifle, what kind of a thing is being discussed compared to the volume of this transit, so they invented this situation and gut now the question is what kind of level will this be from the pooh and this in general. you are ready for the fact that you are probably allowing provocations from the russian side with provocations from the russian side since the 90s from the 40s, especially when we see what what happened? what is he ready to go to the kremlin for? of course, well, i think it is a serious situation that everyone is discussing, and our government and the president will

seriously discuss the situation together with our allies . maybe she can use ideal principles for this, too. because if there is an infringement of our sovereignty, some narrowing of our sovereignty will go, or she will say to us, let’s do it as you say, well, it won’t be easy, it might even be difficult, not easy weeks for our politicians within the state, to what extent, in principle, public opinion is now set on what is needed. this is how they resist. to what extent is public opinion now set on what is needed to resist this situation, people know

of course they are afraid because it meant when there was one who voted for the government that is now in power, of course they support those who vote for other political parties . but i won't say pro-russian but if the pro-russian er-er opposition immediately started there their er-er their statements er-er and so on what is that the lithuanian government of vynogradna of course there is a discussion and i think that russia also participates in this discussion inside , because they have it, as in every

state . they play on the fact that of course normal people are afraid of the military that i, as you can see, with such a provocation that did not exist, lithuania itself can purchase er lithuania lithuania already has a military action such as it is now going on in ukraine, a minority, a minority, of course, several tens of percent would have said well, it's mine, of course er, i think so, about 20% will find such well , in principle, it leaves according to what will be very difficult for russia, it acts against a nato member country, yes, of course, but still, now there is a discussion about the fact that, uh, nato is also eh - well, how should i say that,

this is all going to the summit in madrid, where it will be eh, eh, eh, eh, it will be. i worked as a minister on december 8, 2012. that's how the problem would have been большая if russia was there, it could be tested for that through us , then everything would be as simple as butter, we would have nothing, we would have nothing there, just nothing . from such a brilliant cry against the baltic states, the ukrainians saved the euromaidan revolution from what happened

afterwards eh cht to take ukraine through yanukovych ukraine ukraine to take through this soft power, eh, remember everything that then in ukraine were defense ministers, people of the ussr with russian passports, seven lived in moscow, that’s all, all that went to that and yanukovych’s refusal to join nato, eh, this was the time when putin had the second plan, and after that, after the onyx of crimea, it was necessary to wake up , thank god, it was necessary to wake up for this, it returned to its own, to its neighbors, it returned to its territorial defense, we now have the disla-north, the displacation of our allies is increasing, and the plans are activated

eh, on account of eh, our defense, eh, of course , now nato, because nato is monitoring the situation every minute and every second around eh and eh information of our military, who now there is no direct threat, so that tomorrow a war would start like this it started on february 24, because it is necessary for this. after all, in the twenty- first century, everything is visible. everyone understands that every movement of the military and belarus in the kaliningrad region of pskov is visible. every movement is visible. so, of course, nato is ready for this but кто знает какие там е-э мысли есть у у у у у у у у него есть 30 czech weapons so what should be, everyone should be ready for this. thank

you . in this important conversation, we will hope that the situation in lithuania will not escalate, because it would be very dangerous for ukraine , as we understand it. colleague anna eva melnyk is already waiting in the news studio in order to tell you the most important events of these hours, please anna thank you, i will pick up the broadcast relay together with the editor of his news about the most important things, stay with us in the kherson region , hostilities are ongoing, enemy units do not shy away from hunting for their own or escape from the act zone faster