well, it didn’t happen like that. you made such a prediction in one of the leading publications the other day that russia is implementing such a far-reaching multi-level plan to destabilize europe and that in addition to the food crisis in africa , russia is trying to stir up a scenario of such a famine for countries in europe, what are the signs of such a plan and how should it be visualized from the point of view of the brain and how should we act in anticipation of this ? drew attention to the fact that there was information that the supply of gas through the nord

stream gas pipeline has been reduced. so, there was a reduction in the northern flow of the first a and with a rather strange explanation that they say that it is not possible to return the turbine of the gas pumping unit , which went to canada for repair. the company's turbine is known to the siemens company from the isostation mode, canada cannot return its atom, the volume of supply is correspondingly reduced because the gas pipeline cannot operate in normal mode at full design capacity, it turned out that according to the information from the promo, there are still three turbines that are not functioning. and this is absolutely absurd, it cannot be so to be, that is, four turbines came out at the same time, and out of the available e-e, six plus two reserve systems, and as the

internal documents of gazprom e, in addition, there should always be a spare turbine in case of something and here, if several turbines fail at once, one is being repaired somewhere and cannot be delivered, and there is no spare one, although satellite images show that everything is in place at the portula compressor station on the baltic coast. to stand by this especially since the reduction of supplies took place if such a significant reduction of almost two-thirds of almost er, well, actually, it is logical to predict that er, there may be an intention behind this, using the opportunity of the annual plan of preventive repairs er works on the gas pipeline that are carried out every year and this

happens around the month of july, and there may be some more problematic things, some uh, shortcomings, defects that are subject to elimination, well, they say , one way or another, the gas pipeline has already been in operation for 10 years. this is indeed the case under this pretext e.e. the first nord stream can be stopped. or rather, its work has not been resumed after the completion of a complex of planned and preventive works. instead, the russian side of gazprom will offer that, look, here next to it, it is absolutely the same nord stream-2, you sanctioned it there in the euro . well, but if there is a need to revise the approach and at least temporarily launch it, well, here the bet is made on this if the weakness of the european union is there, the vulnerability and sensitivity of the political elites so, so

to speak, such a pragmatic decision will be made that let's launch the second northern stream. what's the difference? the first or the second are the same , and so on. as soon as the second northern stream is suddenly launched, it will be right there, so to speak. the defects of the northern flow have been eliminated, the first one will also be put into operation, and yes, the transit flow through the territory of ukraine will be stopped, that is actually such a plan, it is traced to this, such an algorithm of actions, and we see that already, literally there yesterday , today in germany and the netherlands, various degrees of prejudice have been announced about the energy crisis, so to speak, so we are just seeing signs that the russians are starting

to promote this algorithm and, well, they won't like it to advance in order to first of all prevent european companies from increasing the amount of gas stored in underground gas storage facilities. now, many people will be forced to remove something from the gas storage facility, and on the other hand , we may have to wait for such an autumn-winter period, so that again after all, using non-commercial and military logic, stop the supply of gas in general, including to the european union, forcing it or minimizing it, forcing uh, what to backtrack on the sanctions regime, that is, demand the withdrawal sanctions, well, that's exactly how they do it, on the example of the black sea, where by blocking our black sea ports, they also blocked the export

of grain from ukraine, and actually speaking, this provokes a food crisis, and a possible consequence is a migration crisis from africa to europe, well actually this is what is needed in the russian scenario of the chaoticization of western europe, first of all, as the most vulnerable link of the west, and so that the attention is diverted from ukraine and more miro is focused on other crises that arose, so to speak, russia will then demonstrate its will to come to the aid of solving these crisis issues, which are actually being artificially created now by the russian side. can we expect that the plan for such an autumn gas attack on europe will be coordinated with the situation at the front when we expect that after the summer heat there will be a certain a pause

at the front, conditional exhaustion, and just then russia will begin to include this er gas component of hostilities, seeking to enter into some er format of negotiations, the cessation of hostilities, and then after the winter, press directly on ukraine at the expense of its weak europe there, yes, you are right , such logic can be traced and even it can be put into effect, let's say much earlier, not without waiting, let's say next year. well, not here, there are other factors that caused this it depends on the one hand, if you don't overestimate the enemy, but you can actually say that the last winter season, according to the kremlin's plans, was supposed to be apocalyptic for

europe, because if we remember then everything is july began to develop precisely according to the scenario of this new escalation due to the reduction of supplies from russia, this is something that was not noticed at first in the european union, and when they noticed it was already too late , then, too, the holodomor scenario was actively promoted by russia from the point of view intimidation of europe well, actually, nothing like that happened and not only because the winter in europe was, well, it was not so average, it was not there, cooling over the warm eh, on the other hand, the united states came to the rescue with supplies volumes of natural gas droplets. yes, these supplies were insufficient, but they turned out to be sufficient for the demonstration of such energy solidarity on both sides of the atlantic. and

actually, although gas prices remained and remain at a high level, nevertheless, so to speak, no apocalyptic phenomena happened, the situation is normal this year and on the eve of the new season there, it looks more difficult. there is no doubt that because now there is no shortage of forecasts from the russian side about what if prices are now they are holding somewhere there at the level of 1,300-1,500 dollars for 1,000 m³, they went up. just after these manipulations with the northern stream, it is predicted that in the winter it will be 2,000 there, 3.5 thousand. and so on. and of course, that would it is in the pockets of ordinary consumers and large corporations because the price of gas is absolutely abnormal, as

is the price of oil. actually speaking, in the format of opec plus fans, well, that's a slightly different topic and of course, there is always a correlation between russia's energy and military strategy, and that's why they are just now engaged in the kind of energy preparation of europe that showed russia its teeth because, one way or another, 6 sanctions packages have been introduced, and the issue of the gas embargo is next . now they are trying to show in the manner characteristic of the kremlin that we do not know what will happen to you with the gas bank. but before you make a decision and you will make it in the same algorithm as usual, there was a whole month of discussion there

before that, let's show them. well, in a typical manner, they are scurrying about. of course, in uh, but now the situation in the european union is no longer the same as it was there even a year ago. well, after february 24, it is clear that it has undergone a serious evolution. how can europe today protect itself from such e.e. russian dependence on gas, given that the situation in the same united states with liquefied gas has now become more complicated. and this is just possibly the second factor that affected the price of gas. they have such opportunities well, maybe there are such. despite the accident of the lg freeper in the gulf of mexico, and for three months, as they say, the company was forced to reduce its export opportunities, to be more precise. on the supply of gas to the european union, the accident

is quite strange, but if there are no other reasons, then in principle the united states will not be able to cover all the needs of the european union in liquefied gas and gases in general, but in one way or another, european countries will be able to contribute the union has now actively taken up the issue of revising some decisions, particularly at the national level , regarding, for example, the closing of a number of coal-fired power plants. now, precisely at the national level, in countries and not only in germany, but primarily in germany, a decision has been made to slow down, on the contrary, to start even those coal-fired power units that were already turned off and were not used. the netherlands, for example , which wanted to practically end

gas production at the groningen field this year. the famous and legendary field, thanks to which europe received you for 60 years, it is exhausted, of course, but it still has certain resources. and right now, the question of what to delay for a couple of years in order to reduce the volume of gas imports is currently being discussed in germany. the question is whether it is necessary to turn off three nuclear power units this year, which, according to the schedule , nuclear energy will be rejected even during merkel's time, this schedule was adopted. so far, chancellor scholz is resisting the revision of this schedule, but it is not excluded that exactly this will happen. in the end, as a result of the discussions

, a whole set of possible measures is being discussed, in particular, the recommendations of the international energy agency on how to drastically reduce to reduce the amount of energy consumption and precisely that which is produced precisely from the gas imported from russia, that is, i think that such actions of russia as these manipulations are definitely the first in the reverse effect of accelerating the process of de-russification of gas imports of the european union, the reduction of gas use in general is not accidental, even the head of the international energy agency for those pyrroles stated the other day that the european union should be ready for the winter without russian gas, that is, if the statement is already at

such a level the head of the international energy agency, in principle, this is as if an additional signal e for e-e european commission for the governments of the eu countries that it is necessary to resort to extraordinary measures because actually speaking when the international artic agency was created, it was created precisely with the purpose of, among other things, to be a kind of mechanism of early warning about a possible energy crisis in one or another, in one or another sphere, that is, we can say that these are extraordinary measures predict that within the next four to five months europe will find options for complete disconnection from russian gas and a way to exist in such

conditions . of gas, although commercial logic dictates the opposite, now the revenues received by gazprom are obvious that this year they will be the maximum, that is, roughly speaking , if you sell less, you will get no less . on the 13th, when there was also a peak in oil and gas prices, and this level was somewhere close to it. even now , prices have risen a little higher than 10 years ago , and so if the situation looks like this, then one way or another, the european union of countries of the european union should be ready for an extreme option because the behavior of the kremlin is becoming more and more rational and of course

where there is a commercial benefit and the fact that europeans have always believed that russia will not take any mountain steps because what makes it profitable to receive money from our market, we will see that this logic does not work, the fact that gazprom cut off the supply of gas, well, based on the formal pretext there, they refused to extend the contract in poland and bulgaria and from the transition to paying for gas in rubles, this example shows that for the kremlin, it doesn’t matter who is a russian flob. like poland, which qualifies as a cross-country state, or who is a russophile, like bulgaria, which has traditionally always been loyal to russia. no looking at nothing, and that's why it's because it's called the kremlin, er, obukh drinks

all the time in a row, not distinguishing er, who is sympathetic, and who is the opposite, that is, and this says exactly that and this is an extra signal, an additional signal e for the european union, what should be prepared for worst case scenario, how can you put an end to this paradox? russia sells less gas, just supplies less oil, and profits grow. i don't know the data on gas, but in three months directly from oil, in three months the russians earned 100 billion, in fact, every day brought them 1 billion for exports oil, and we are talking, on the other hand, about the introduction of sanctions in the energy segment on the gas component and on the naphthum component, how to ensure that these sanctions really hit russia so that such excess profits are not were there any options, well, in this connection

, first of all, if the official sanction regimes were a partial oil barge, well, this is a decision at the end of may. before that, what was done was certain voluntary actions at the level of governments and companies who refused the russian us and oil products, so russia did not waste time either, they came up with various bypass schemes, gray schemes , black schemes and so on. uh, the sanctions regimes worked, that is, because what is actually being observed now is that the increase in prices and uh, the actual increase in revenue is a temporary phenomenon. i think in the fourth quarter, this may all change, uh, but of course, the

sanction packages of the european union have been adopted, and in particular the latest sixth - this does not mean that comprehensive measures have been adopted, the following measures are needed that complement what is already known about the dynamics of the decrease in physical volumes of exports, we can just see that it is working. year that by reducing the volume of gas supplies, there will be a price escalation, so if you sell less, you will get more . institutions are connected with the fact that first of all it is necessary to develop a special mechanism that makes it impossible to transfer to russia all the

revenue in full for exported energy resources, that is, we are talking about what, for example, in russia can receive it as a payment. well, only what corresponds to the cost of production, that is, roughly speaking, one tenth of the current price of oil there, which is $120 per bar. in 2018, poland proposed to the european union to create a mechanism for consolidated centralized gas procurement in order to make impossible these manipulations of gazprom , that we give gas to the germans at the biggest discount, and to the baltic countries, on the contrary, or to poland, then it was rejected as a non-market, anti-competitive

approach, but now they are returning to it in order to create such a response to this russian dominance, to create a cartel, a cartel of buyers who will determine that the price of gas cannot be higher there, let's say $500 per cubic meters, it will be bought at this price and not at 1,500 or 2,500 e-e, as it is e-e dictated by the russian gas market deformed by manipulations. well, there is a third position, if the most rigid, which may not be accepted now, but which may be the most effective in relation to exactly er already er impossibility er not that expansion but in general impossibility er oil trade from russian parties anyway , all oil is shipped mainly from

russian parties of the black and baltic seas so for asia there is there are still far eastern ports, uh, a little bit in the arctic, but the main oil flows come from the baltic black sea, so in principle, maybe it could be, and should be, when in time this will be understood in europe, a blockade on the entry of oil tankers into the baltic and the black sea is loaded with oil, the russian docks are simply empty and should not go through the dardanelles there or through the kagerak. and actually speaking, if there are no tankers, no one will be able to send oil there, neither from novorossiysk nor from primorsk, nor from the service, nor from that i don't have a report, so it seems to me that this is the most effective option. well, if it is related to the fact that not only

the european union should be active in this regard, but also nato, there are interesting proposals, interesting solutions, but we we are talking now directly about the problems of europe , about the strategy of the russian federation, and directly about what is happening in our country, the risks of winter, gas, the prospects of strategies, what is the most important here. well, if we look at the current state, then of course what we understand in our country every e-e during the last seven days for almost eight years now, every next winter season we have always expected some post-clitic things eh, but still thanks to the efforts eh of our energy companies, companies of the energy sector naftogaz, energy atom eh ukrenergo, if one way or another, all scenarios were

avoided in this case, it is about the fact that, of course, when a part of an important energy infrastructure is brought to a non-functional state or damaged and can not work at capacity, there are definitely problems will have a serious nature. at the same time, it should be noted that what happened was, well, this is not something you can be proud of, but there was a rather serious drop in the consumption of energy resources, well, due to the fact that a large part of the industry is not working and in in this case, as it were, when will he talk about the need to create reserves again, and the creation of such reserves now has serious

logistical problems, because, for example, it is impossible to import coal in the eu, since the black sea ports are blocked, and obviously we will have to use the capabilities of the e railway connection with the countries of the european union by the possibilities of their port infrastructure, which is not limitless, that's why if at the government level, i think the appropriate solutions are being worked out. well, we have essentially the beginning of summer. about the creation of the necessary reserves, so they will be needed less. from the point of view of individuals, due to the fact that, as i said, consumption has decreased, almost industrial consumption has gone, and as a result of the destruction of industrial assets there and as a result of excessively high gas prices, you can estimate how much

the products will cost. the gas involved in the production of which is imported there, let's say at the price from the sports market, at the price there of $1,500 for uah 1,000, if a number of chemical enterprises were not already functioning in europe itself, because there is nothing to manufacture from such gas, with all the energy efficiency of european enterprises , it will not be competitive with chinese or american gas, so there are serious challenges. there is no doubt about it, but the main challenges here the threat that must be neutralized is an actual threat, we see that the practice of russian attacks on our critical infrastructure means that in this context

we need additional efforts of our e-e and the armed forces and our partners in order to to provide the appropriate countermeasures from january and to reduce these damage to our critical infrastructure, which is important for the winter season, but also in general for the functioning of the economy, especially in such a war period. well, first of all, you are talking about the strengthening of the air defense system over critical infrastructure objects, which also understand the enhancement of anti -ship capabilities in the black sea area in order to unlock our countermeasures. these two components are extremely critical for the current stage, understanding these challenges and knowing your experience in communicating with the american side, is it enlightened that the american side clearly understands

these vulnerable places of ukraine and is really effectively helping in solving these problems, because speaking conventionally about air defense, we are saying that the prospects are uncertain regarding anti-ship opportunities we want more we get what we get what are your assessments of interaction with the usa in this direction well, you see the situation here this is what it looks like what if there was uh but uh well about this it is in such active development and beyond any doubt that here the understanding of the depth and seriousness of the challenges takes place on several levels both in the united states and in europe and that , strictly speaking, the problems that have arisen in ukraine well, they if it were not there are not only ukrainian problems because one single example eh hmm our underground

warehouses are very active especially in the 20th year eh less eh in the 21st year at high prices they were used the period is precisely our european ones partners, if, let's say, the force of these or other reasons, it will be difficult to use what is impossible on these underground storages, then it will be possible for the countries of central europe, which companies used our gas storages, so in this case it is about e-e, in the complex, the problems of e-e protection of e-e infrastructure were considered both based on the interests of ukraine and the interests of the countries of the east