gratitude and respect heal their souls, remind them of what they gave their lives for, so join the all-ukrainian flash mob of thanks to the defenders, shake their hands, say kind words, give a standing ovation, honor the heroes, it was already the third rotation of border guard ihor dashko to the east, the contract was due to end soon, his wife and daughter were waiting at home but ukraine was attacked by an aggressor. on april 9, during the battle in mariupol, the seriously wounded ihor dashko blew himself up with a grenade in order not to be captured himself, and to prevent the enemy from capturing his radio station the last words on the air were glory to ukraine ihor dashko was posthumously awarded the title of hero of ukraine heroes do not die february 24 the date that

changed us the date that changed the world and now what interests us the most is our victory when we defeat the enemy how to predict the course of the war the saturday political club program returns to the air espresso to help understand the events and predict the consequences that on saturdays vitaly portnikov and maria gurska will discuss the most relevant to draw appropriate conclusions, you want to know what what is happening today will affect our tomorrow see the saturday political club that saturdays are not espresso glory to ukraine is a verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today is the 124th day of ukrainian resistance to the russian occupation during the last three days the russian occupiers launched a series of powerful missile strikes on kyiv cherkasy, kharkiv, odesa, zhytomyr, and sarny,

more than 60 missiles were fired from the strategic aircraft of the russian federation from the waters of the caspian sea and from the territory of of the air space of belarus, meanwhile, the occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 35,000 people in the last day, 150-1,552 tanks, 3,687 armored fighting vehicles, 771 artillery systems, 243 rocket launcher systems, 101 means of air defense, 217 aircraft 184 helicopters in 2548 units of automotive equipment 14 ships and boats 139 cruise missiles 663 drones 61 units of special equipment about the role of belarus in the russian-ukrainian war putin's plans for

nato, the summit of the great seven, and also about the anti-putin front, today we will talk with a politician, diplomat, former extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus, an immortal novel, mr. roman, and good day and good health to you. thank you for participating in our program. good day, mr. sergey. the russians fired dozens of rockets at the kyiv, chernihiv, zhytomyr, lviv , rivne, mykolaiv regions, some of the missiles were launched from the territory or the park from the airspace of belarus belarus is dragging the kremlin into the war everything has already been decided by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi addressed the citizens of belarus, let's listen to what volodymyr zelenskyi said in yesterday's address to the belarusians

. you have already decided everything, your lives are not worth anything to them but you are not slaves or cannon fodder, you should not die and you cannot let anyone decide for you what awaits you next, i know that the people of belarus supports ukraine, they support us , of course, not the war, that is why the russian leadership wants to draw all of you belarusians into the war and wants to sow hatred between us ordinary people of belarus, a lot depends on it now, and i know that you can not participate in this war, your life belongs only to you and only to no one in the

kremlin. so, these are the words volodymyr zelensky said to the belarusians. roman. do you think the belarusians are drawn into the war, or has belarus been in the war for a long time? i actually wanted to say what about the position of the president, there are small but very important additions from the point of view of the norms of international law in this situation ukraine is already in a state of war with the republic of belarus and the reason for this is several facts available and which everyone knows and which are recorded, the first is the use of the territory of the republic of belarus for air and ground attacks against ukraine, remember the territory of which state the offensive began on february 24 and almost every day and

every night shelling, which is carried out by various types of fire from the territory of the republic of belarus, and it is not a fact that these are only missiles that belong to the russian military units based on the territory of the republic of belarus. this is the first fact. the second is the participation of the armed forces of the republic of belarus in the operations carried out by the armed forces of the russian federation against ukraine, namely the maneuvering of the armed forces of the republic of belarus along the border with ukraine, which is a kind of execution a certain function in the operation of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, namely the maintenance of a certain resource and a certain personnel support in this direction of the armed forces of ukraine, which is a component of the unconditional operation against ukraine of the military operation against

ukraine, which is carried out by the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, it is obvious that the same fact is the supply to the armed forces of the russian federation of component weapons and equipment intended for the army units of the russian federation from the territory of the republic of belarus and a you have probably already heard about the deconservation of these intact stocks that were provided, are being provided, and er, their provision will be to grow the armed forces of the russian federation is another thing that cannot help but draw attention to the conduct of an information war by the involvement of lukashenka himself, the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus and state leaders when they

make various statements that are part of the information operation carried out by the russian federation against of ukraine what forces to allocate resources allocate armed forces use equipment necessary equipment technologies in countering these operations carried out from the territory of the republic of belarus both in the military and military and in terms of information, in fact, even the negotiated process that we have been following in recent days shows that it is exactly such a component of the operation, namely the conversation about the supply of iskander missiles to the republic of belarus and the possibility of placing them on their base as nuclear missile carriers now we will listen to what lukashenko told putin and putin lukashenko about

the placement of these iskanders - this conversation took place in russia lukashenko flew to putin and had such a conversation let's hear from putin and lukashenka, at least he will adapt the planes to ours, which i think are super-famous, and which, in my opinion, can carry nuclear warheads. i'm not talking about what we will transport tomorrow. and h. when many of us will be fine, everything will be quiet, no one will attack, and then we turned out not to be ready for it, so for us it is a serious situation, they are the first time i am putting this question before you. i am not hiding the events here, i am asking the question so that we can be ready for everything, they even use the most serious weapons in order to protect our fatherland, brest proves vostok, i propose the following for the belarusian army, there is a large enough group of aircraft, 125 of them, it would be possible to

match in a very similar way to equip 25 series, it would be possible to equip them, yes, this modernization should be carried out at the aviation plant in russia, the candidate and, accordingly, start training 15 composition is the first and second as it calls the questions , so the solution is with us. we accepted the flight of the next technical months in front of him in belarus missile-practical complexes inspector m which how to deploy can be used as ballistic missiles and cruise missiles at the same time as in usually so as that is mr. romany belarus is turning into a military base of the russian federation on the border with nato and on the border with ukraine, true , definitely, and in fact, we have organized more than one, we talked with you that today it exists as at least two sites that pose a colossal threat not only to ukraine but also to the european

community, actually - this is the territory of the autonomous republic of crimea, which has been transformed into such a military base with the location of the missile and space forces of the russian federation, the territory of belarus , moreover, i want to say that all that is said about this is only a fixation of things that were done some time ago and in the territory of the republic of belarus, in the territory of the autonomous republic of crimea, the complexes in question were located a long time ago and in this in this case, we are only looking for an explanation of why this is being done . here, we need to pay attention to only one fact that was heard for the first time, this is the possibility of placing nuclear weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus, because it is a trap, although it was said as if it were a draft about the fact that such missiles can be placed nuclear warheads, but that

lukashenko and putin know very well that similar complexes and from the point of view of their flight range and the placement of nuclear warheads on such complexes is a violation of international agreements and the first the agreement concerning the non-proliferation of weapons of this type and the agreements concerning the proliferation of conventional weapons, and i emphasize that despite the paranoidness of both actors, they understand this very well, and this is one of the so-called information wars from my point of view and actually in this meeting, the main goal was for this to be heard, for it to be heard, and as a reaction to the decision of the lithuanian government regarding the transit ban, who attacked the kaliningrad region and the actions of ukraine, which received himers complexes

began a very precise shelling of bases for the preservation of military equipment, weapons and ammunition. and this escalation, which we see with the shelling of regional centers and the city of kyiv, is the answer, and this answer was accompanied by exactly these messengers who were in the public during the meeting with lukashenka and putin, from the point of view of the dynamics of the actions of putin and the general staff of the russian federation, is no different from those scenarios that have been operating for 9 years since 2014, when the aggression of the russian federation began federation against ukraine, as soon as some internal concerted action takes place in ukraine or at the european or international level, immediately

things like this happen either in a presentational way or as a reaction to such things if we add to the fact that the decisions that were made inside ukraine are the decisions of the lithuanian government the meeting of the big seven, separate statements of the european union and separate statements of the representatives of european governments, in fact, you have a response from the kremlin about this day or a day and a half during which we we see the frenzied shelling of the territory of ukraine by missiles from the territory of belarus, from the territory of the autonomous republic of crimea and the caspian sea, but mr. roman, if lukashenko officially announces his entry into the war, they can provoke some kind of shelling, as the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense of ukraine says, i.e. to accuse the ukrainian side that they, as we

say, shelled moser or some other population center in belarus, if lukashenko says that we are entering the war, he repeatedly spoke about the fact that we will fight there for western ukraine to save something else well, some kind of magic brewed up does this mean for belarus, what does it mean for ukraine, well , from the point of view of the norms of international law - this will not actually change the situation, in fact the situation already indicates that we are in the state of war and what will this actually change in terms of information, we need to talk about it now because, from the point of view of the actual state, we are in a state of war, from the point of view of the norms of international law, we are in a state of war, and what and when are done statements by lukashenko or putin from the point of view of the accession to belarus are only an informational design or a reaction to one or another situation that is developing either

in donbas a or on the front line in the battles between the armed forces of ukraine and the russian federation or in europe, that is, it must be understood here that lukashenko belarus is a self-proclaimed in this situation, lukashenka allows the use of information weapons depending on the situation that is developing, now we need to give an answer to the question and how is this reflected, in principle, on belarusian society, on ukrainian society, and so on here it is necessary to make it clear that the situation in ukraine's relations with the russians has in fact formally and emotionally reached a state of full a-a conduct of hostilities in the informational and emotional psychological military military plan, the situation is somewhat different with belarus, first of all, in the main

mass 3/4 belarusians oppose such a war, moreover, i want to remind you of the statements of even the military leaders, the deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of the republic of belarus, the deputy minister of defense, who have already orders were repeatedly given to mobilize additional forces to allocate resources and so on, firstly, this is being boycotted by the belarusian population itself , secondly, officials are resigning, this is confirmation that there is a completely different setting in belarusian society, which is not enough to show the true position of belarusian society and to bring her to the understanding that society takes a different position, this is the identification of leadership in this process. in belarus, outside the borders of belarus, they make statements, form

a democratic government, and work with kostos kalinovsky's regiment on the formation of the armed forces of the republic of belarus, and so on. then the belarusian society will see the future, and you will see the prospects of understanding where to move, because at this stage, all these protest actions are of a chaotic nature. it is no coincidence that i have already said several times that belarus should have its own engine, who will be sannikov, zenon, poznyak, mitser bondarenko, radina, and so on, it is not so much it is important that this collective in the opposition can unite to make several correct statements aimed at the consolidation of belarusian society, exactly what the ukrainian president spoke about in the night statement, it also speaks about it

here. it is important that these initiators turn for help to kyiv, warsaw, vilnius, riga, tallinn european capitals about the need to provide assistance. in fact, this is this course of action, it has been repeated in many cases in similar situations, and if the opposition itself does not conform to such actions of belarus it must be organized. in this regard, help to understand it, because in this way it is possible to save the moral principles of the belarusian worldview, the integrity of the belarusian society, and so on, its real relation to the russian aggression against ukraine and so on, that is, in fact, in fact this is the old recipe, and it lies on the surface, and it is important here. only now speak and act

, act and speak in order to show exactly this position . a serious blow to the kremlin because to separate belarus from the kremlin is to make a very colossal huge contribution to the security of europe and the security of ukraine because you were right in the statement that belarus is a platform that is used for shelling ukraine now, what will happen next, well, it will only be decided by the kremlin now there is one more thing, you emphasized the possibility that lukashenko can make a statement, you understand what a spicy situation i use this word from the point of view of bilateral agreements, agreements within the framework of the common state of the republic of belarus of the russian federation, such doctrinal documents, interdepartmental documents, at

the moment there is no need to make such statements, because all these documents testify that the management of the armed forces of the republic of belarus is carried out not only and not so much by the general staff of the republic of belarus, it is carried out by the general staff of the armed forces of russia, and these troops of the republic of belarus are in a status in which there are two so-called army corps, one of which is formed in donetsk, the second luhansk, they are no different. in this regard, they are actually currently performing a certain military task, a military task, barraging across ukraine, the belarusian border, among other things, the ocean asked itself such a question, and does the self-proclaimed president of belarus, oleksandr lukashenko, control the situation in belarus at all, because we see who is trying to

demonstrate omnipotence or in this control over belarus. he talks about the fact that putin and i are in touch every day, but what do they talk about every day it is also not clear. and it is not clear what the reaction of the security forces under the control of russia will be in a critical situation, because we had a similar situation in 2013, when in fact the ministry of defense and the security service of ukraine were controlled by the russians. and only the maidan saved the situation in the fall of 2013, because if there was no maidan and people didn't come out to protest, obviously the situation would have been completely different from this how to consider belarus. the fact is that you and i somehow talked about the suspended status of lukashenka's self-proclaimed status he is not only a plus for the whole world, he gives a colossal chance, including the leadership and

political and military leadership of the russian federation, to have sole control of the armed forces of the republic of belarus and to ignore lukashenka , everyone perfectly understands that lukashenka remained a self-proclaimed president only thanks to putin and russia, only thanks to putin of russia and in fact there is no need to appeal to lukashenka in the decision-making by putin or the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation in relation to the armed forces of the republic there is no belarus, lukashenko has absolutely no influence on the situation regarding the management of the armed forces of the belarusian republic, except to give instructions to release wooden tanks that are placed along the ukrainian-belarusian border, and his authority to play the role of such a collective farm fuhrer in this war, and i am convinced that even such statements what

do we hear during the meeting with putin or the governments in the time between these meetings, these are just the proven messages of lukashenko, the necessary messages from the kremlin, so i can unequivocally state that lukashenko is not controls the situation neither with its own troops nor with the use of the territory of the republic of belarus by the troops of the russian federation. pay attention to the fragment of the dialogue that refers to airplanes for lukashenka, and the category of the name of the airplane 25 sounded like the number of these airplanes, he absolutely did not understand what was being said when he spoke about the need for re-equipment of these planes, this is just an unnecessary confirmation that lukashenka is being held on to some of his life problems, ensuring his status, and so on, and as for management

the armed forces, the management of the national guard troops, it has long ago passed into the hands of the russian federation. moreover, i asked everyone who is interested and i am asking everyone who is interested in this issue to please pay attention to the interdepartmental agreements within the framework of the joint state between the ministries of defense of the republic of belarus and of the russian federation, the ministry of internal affairs, the state committee , the border with the state border troops, and so on. all of this is located in one control center, even the control of the customs office, so what? well, we perfectly understand that money requires strict centralization when the customs in the territory of the republic of belarus and the russian federation work in the same mode, even the lists of citizens of ukraine regarding admission or non-admission to the territory of the republic of belarus are determined by the kremlin, well, that is, in fact, there is no need to

appeal to lukashenka today, and the kremlin will independently make decisions on all issues related to the waging of war by belarus or from the territory of belarus in relation to ukraine, mr. roman, when we are talking about the common space of russia and belarus, then it is obviously logical to ask the question about the introduction of visas for belarusians, because even more than a week ago, the ukrainian state made a decision to introduce visas for russia. but we did not introduce visas for belarusians, although in this situation such a decision was absolutely it is logical why kyiv did not go for it, well, not only in relation to russia, in relation to kazakhstan, it is also one customs space - it is a common border, moreover, and a formal decision on russia from the point of view bilateral relations, it automatically leads

to such a decision in relation to the republic of belarus and the citizens of kazakhstan. i understand that it was not beneficial for the ukrainian political leadership to put one and the other on the same list, but you just have to look at the norms of international law and i understand that rather the ukrainian side in in the current situation, he uses it as the same information e and donate information weapons, if distancing himself against the background of what happened there at the st. petersburg economic forum with e-e speech of president tokaev now in the situation with the belarusians and so on. in fact, a very important component is the same regiment of kostya kalinovsky, when it is necessary to separate these things and somewhere to make a distance between one and the other, but once again i say one wish - it is to carry out certain informational things, to do political statements, but there is still a formally legal side of the case,

which clearly states that there cannot be another state border regime and well, of course, today and yesterday, the attention of society and the world of our society and the world is focused on the meeting of the big seven in in munich, in bavaria, the leaders of the seven largest countries of influential countries meet. we remember in our time that the formula was 7 + 1 and it was specially made for putin. now putin is not there, and of course the leaders of the seven countries remember putin and talk about it. british prime minister boris johnson and french president manuel macro during a meeting on the sidelines of the g7 themselves discussed, among other things, the issue of aid to ukraine , let's listen and see. we must support ukraine to lend a helping hand to

in the war as well as in any future negotiations , president macron and i have agreed to intensify our military support for ukraine at this critical moment, as well as to strengthen anglo-french cooperation in the fields of defense and security, mr. roman, is it possible, taking into account all the past that was, including between the french leader and the russian leader during the last three months when he spoke, i mean macron, that he spoke with putin for 100 hours , can we now say that this summit of the big seven is already the final arrangement of the anti-putin coalition in the world, because the whole world already understands that the russians, led by putin, are leading to disaster not only russia, but also the whole world. it will be possible to talk about the final formation of such a coalition only when the leaders of these countries

give an answer to the question of what is the fate of the post-war russia is still constructively working on the formation of such a coalition, i would like to draw attention to two facts that speak of the same order of things, these are the latest scholz-biden dialogues and the latest macron johnson dialogues, these are very important things because well it is impossible to solve everything at once, all the more so you need to understand the history of relations between paris and london, washington and berlin. but even within the framework of the big seven and at the bilateral level , formal and actual steps have now taken place that testify to what happened in the past. the diplomatic term of labizan and berlin and paris with