uh, on the one hand, it seems necessary, on the other hand, we will have very simple psychological and ethical problems, and i apologize to you personally in the 90s. were you as patriotic as you are now, or maybe it was more loyal? well, you say, you listened to russian rock. i i also listened. and in principle, when there was a war in his slavia, and a lot of ukrainians supported it, it is the same as we were told by the russian channels that were still shown in our country at the time. they supported the serbs. we are smart now, but they were in the 90s. were so smart, and i was not in the 90s were so patriotic, now everyone is really kicking their heels in december that they are the patriotism of grandfather and great-grandfather and in general, there have been 90 years in the upa, but in fact we are musya, our country was coming, this transformation was coming, self-awareness was necessary quite a long time ago to say that in the 90s you were quilters, and in the 1992s, people who are now absolutely normal were quilters, unfortunately, but then there was maidan, which

turned it into one layer. they are now turning the fourth website, that's why they look back at 80 from 90 and say that you were all quilters. well, yes, but in fact we were a little different then, because people can really change and can change for the better, so, well, there is a theoretical dobkin it can happen there, uh, i don't know freedom, maybe they won't accept him, well, nevertheless, it is somewhere near the right sector, well, theoretically, everything is possible, but in this case, in such heels , we have a christian normal approach, pumping up what, listen, okay, we repented, we repented, we start a new life if i didn't hear that i was very wrong excuse me i don't believe at least it's true mr.

viktor thank you for the conversation viktor tregubov is now in the armed forces of ukraine publicist public politician thank you for this conversation goodbye what's next let's talk a little about belarus for sure let's talk about belarus, because again, as we already mentioned, well, first of all, we are being shelled very massively now on the territory of belarus , and secondly, it is an interesting story that the belarusians are being moved accordingly, these projectiles are all different missiles on the territory of russia, on the other hand, which russia wants to transfer to belarus, and it is not even excluded that with a nuclear warhead, at least they are talking about such things. well, once again, the issue of the possible entry of the belarusians into this war on the side of russia, of course, was brought up again that is, of course, on the one hand, he tells us that it is little, little, little, probably, on the other hand, how seriously

does the president's office take it, at least president zelenskyi has already addressed this again, this is not the first time , at the beginning of the war, he again addressed the belarusians with the so that they don't get involved in this war, well, let's actually listen to the opinion of the belarusians themselves, pavlo usov, a belarusian political scientist, the head of the center for political analysis and forecasts in warsaw, mr. pavlyk is joining us. to come to the forum and such an interstate in a group or a city. i don't know how it would be correct in belarusian and a little city and so on. belarus, but lukashenko went to him almost every month, but in the end, something went wrong and lukashenko had

to go to st. petersburg, where he and putin actually met. let's start with this. why putin after all didn't fly and what do you think they agreed on, i'm in belarusian, well, these russian ones, of course, i understand. i think the audience is also attacking a psychological assessment from this . political, psychologically dependent on putin and russia, and therefore go to his vassal, who, according to the first phone call, is ready to fly to moscow to dry up and to the far east, this means giving lukashenko a nod well, psychological self-confidence, that he is a self-sufficient politician, because here, you can make fun only of

putin, putin exclusively only with those people who are better than him. said his position . maybe a month ago, uh, how uh, povodin and kadyrov are significantly more than that it

is a subject of the federation. an independent state and russia, we can see that lukashenko and belarus use whatever they want to say to it. they flew away in space on windy belarus. they fired at kyiv, chernihiv . sympathic er click your fingers and already in essence the situation will be different with everything that will be needed by putin, therefore, probably in the coming years there will be a regime of putin, this regime of lukashenko, putin will eat in belarus let's talk about it about the support of the e-e regime. that is, we all understand that

when we talk about war with russia, we are at war not with putin, not only with putin. with this broad name of the population , the citizens of the russian federation, one way or another, support this war in one way or another in the mass of their own, and that is what well, including some polls, how representative they are, that is another story well, but even well, just a poll on the street people show that there is support, and for me the main question here is how much support there can be for the belarusians and if it comes to the moment when belarus will somehow be well, i don't know, lukashenko will say that everything is a dump, there is no such thing as having to go fight for russia for ours is for the soviet union

, because there are some terrible bandera people there in ukraine. they eat people, uh, christian and communist babies. and so on and so forth. that is, it was not my question. well, for the second time during the war, in more than four months of the war, president zelensky appeals to belarusians, will belarusians in principle hear this, or will it reach belarusians and how do they perceive it, do they believe in zelenskyi , do they believe in lukashenko's propaganda, are they theoretically ready to fight, in your opinion, belarusians as a society are not ready to fight, they don't want it when we talk about a significant number of citizens, when we talk about the situation with those related to the war, the situation and configuration are definitely very painful.

objective er researches that carry simple internet iron phones because even on the street we are not silent and people will ask the person who will conduct er sociological nutrition well, go somewhere for at least 15 sidiona, the maximum can be kept twisted and quite severe, not a sentence for the dissemination of false information about belarus there, well, sociological issues are quite difficult, and we can only indirectly follow the public opinion of belarus. был провязанные качем частем часом with which 99% agree, they have 100% do not support this cause of the belarusian troops in the war eh well, in fact, in one language it sounds the same way it sounds

not everyday eh a share of the population can make putin tremble russia can consume money ready for a military operation, of course, there is quite a lot of it, and you can’t throw them away, it’s such a greedy share of the belarusian public, it can be from 25 to 35%, quite large. unfortunately, it is not under the influence of the belarusian people and the russian mass media and the russian media the narrative of the russian propaganda ideology dominates in belarus when we talk about how the picture of the war in ukraine is formed, related to the west and so on, but at the same time, a significant share of 70% are also supportive of ukraine, such as maxima about 40 percent of the maximum percentage can be raised to 50. supportive, slow

-moving ukraine is restrained . so that people are afraid to show the skill, just the phone, their thoughts, in terms of what is being fought, because any solidarity of belarusians is on the way to recovery with a symbolic one, there someone will hang a screed ukrainian synga, it will be returned blue-yellow. that can hold a fine for drugs, that is, the same practices that are carried out today and implement this in russia adopted and symbols of anti-military rhetoric anti- military nickel e-e demonstration people of such e-e such single e-e quite

harsh repression methods are used in belarus as well unfortunately, this is a reality, but for lukashenka, the necklace will be solved with military money from ukraine, open military money, it will be a disaster because, first of all, there is no contract army in belarus , there is no contract army. hours, so, from 18 to 27, the russian contract army has already suffered 35,000 rubles according to the official ones, alena , hours. 000, that's half of the belarusian army, and the increasing number of the belarusian army, it's not like they don't know how to fight, it's not like they don't know how to

fight, it's belarusian, that's an army, an army, an army of terminovschikov, there will be a death. and the first 10 km, they won't pass the track there yes, hello belarusian troops, this will be a 10 km worshiper, which i will not do, and certainly when the coffin is filled with people, i will go to belarus en masse to hide this information, it will not matter, it is not the same as it is done in russia, where in fact all food in belarus is controlled, it will create such a groin that on it doesn't fly what we are trying to do is trying lukashenko will create a totalitarian total e-e clearing of e-e information space it is not a machine that will do it and under these conditions viburnum here there are a hundred killed e-e information will appear there are those killed and there will be 1000 the reaction of the public to those

who support me. as long as lukashenko will be with the rest of russia, because in russia they are fighting over there with the bolshoi yakutia, that's it, that's it, it's not, it's not the elite, it's not the core of the russian slavic, and the atmosphere, yes, yes. say the state of the estonian people and they are failing what are the ethnic groups in russia? in russia itself, the problem is not eh. this is not eh in belarus - they will die from belarus and in such a small country, information about a lot of killed and maimed people will be like eh explosion of a nuclear bomb in the mountains. what is chornobyl, of course, a march of protests and very radical protests, just like a habit

at the beginning, at the beginning of the war, a lot, in essence, the ministry of defense of belarus was under siege . my where are my sons? i want to talk about how it was a shock for lukashenko himself and for the system itself. there were definitely fears and there was a risk that lukashenko would send belarusians. ice from kyiv, but up there, when possible, i calibrated a good tactical situation for minsk, how to enter, because i didn’t know yet, i was faced with something by the russian army, which would execute on, carried on, at that moment, which was more or less good for psychological good for lukashenka ion

argued with serious passive resistance and can you imagine what will happen when i am already visible to everyone, even those who are putin's supporters in belarus, that this will be a uh- uh campaign, a comedy along the way, only god is a campaign, only where they took him, how they died for lukashenko, this will be the end thank you very much for this conversation. pavlovusov, belarusian political scientist, head of the center for political analysis and forecasts joined us from warsaw. thank you , pavel, and we are moving on in the meantime. we are already in touch and e p ivan good day well, let's say we have 14 minutes, let's try to use them effectively, well, first of all, how did the

haimers prove themselves, how did they prove themselves? with the help of the highmos, they shot very accurately at the command post of the 20th army in izyum. now russian propaganda was heard in the steppes, god, what are we doing? what himersi began to work on ammunition and food depots they are cheerful, so they did a great job. as you know, it seems that our military was waiting for some such, you know, certain wonderful weapon, which will allow us to raise to a new level the free e against the grates, well, it seems that just this stage has come and it happened thanks to the highbs. well, this is great news, also cops already heard today when our fighters from the luhansk region were included, we are looking for it, it already works very well, they will prove themselves well, and there is also information that they can also give us

a fairly good air defense system on i can tell you in a few words what is going on. the complexes will be transferred to such , if it is confirmed, then we will be able to make our defense against ballistic missiles-6 even better in some ways, you know, including because such complexes are capable of knocking down the iskander complexes. well, let's say separately the pleasantness of this, where we come from, is that our air force laid in the vision of its own there. well, in the vision of its development, the fact that our anti-aircraft missile forces should move from the soviet complexes to these names. well, you know, there are even such a bright

fact that let's call it the governmental well, that's what we call the government quarter, yes, in the usa, the white house, my other powerful buildings, the food covers exactly these with a mirror, that is, how there is an air defense in the capital, just like that the complex of the americans, we provide that, if you know, also quite clearly demonstrates the level of reliability and high combat characteristics of this complex, ah, regarding the message that russia can transfer nuclear warheads that can carry nuclear warheads to belarus, you know, some kind of clarification, if you say well, it is not so structured, what is it let's put it this way, lukashenko states with reference to putin that the russian federation has promised to hand over to the armed forces of belarus iskander-m missile systems that can be used as a ballistic missile with a firing range of up to 500 km, a winged missile with a firing range of 2500 km

, both of these types of missiles, well, ballistics can be opened, theoretically, you can wind a nuclear warhead on them. you know, there are such interesting nuances, if you are lukashenko, it is worth distinguishing between what lukashenko would like to extract from putin thanks to public statements and what he can get in fact, because it seems that since may, this is already the third statement lukashenko about the fact that he will receive missile complexes of the kanderno type. somehow he still hasn't received them. last year, lukashenko had a slightly different fetish. he begged putin to release them for missile complexes of the s400 type. step, what is possible there, putin wants to convey something like that to lukashenko, he formally cannot be a switch there, but the other side

theoretically in belarus can carry a missile threat for us, at least because the belarusians have polonaise-type missile complexes that have a range firing up to 300 km well, the soviets point u from a long distance firing up to 120 km, the belarusians also have information that the russians hit kremenchuk with rockets, we will check now if it is possible to just pull it out quickly, then we will also join, mr. ivan, in fact, these massive rocket attacks you know what they are testifying about in recent days, if on the one hand, you can say such a banal opinion that probably all the speakers have already repeated in this studio. putin wants to intimidate the civilian population of ukraine in this way, but he doesn't you know, it looks like you can read here. this is a military-technical moment, even if you take the same missile strikes on kremenchug that currently took place in the poltava region, you know between

the moment when the air alarm was sounded and the repulse was fired. and the news about hitting kremenchug in the past only 20 minutes, which may hint at the fact that the russians tried to hit this city with sonic cruise missiles of the h-22 type from bombers here 22m3 similar to the ones they tried to hit at the weekend in zhytomyr oblast but let's say it will sound like this, maybe it's too specific, but even in these massive missile attacks, the real weakness of the russians is beginning to show, because, for example, let's take the russians at night with a similar bomber and a similar missile, they attacked odesa in general, according to previous simulations, what do you do with this launch? of the temporarily occupied crimea indicated that the russians will be able to finish off vinnytsia and even kyiv with such missiles. well, i think you also understand what kind of trouble a flying missile could cause at a speed of 3-4 thousand kilometers per hour with

a warhead of more than 1 ton, but the russians could not reach vinnytsia from this range, or until they could reach it, they were able to reach odeshchyna at most. in zhytomyr oblast where 24 rockets were used at once, what if you also knew why there was a shock at first, but if you look at it like this, it turns out that 12 rockets were from these houses, 22 bombers were launched, and the rest - 12 - are somehow distributed among themselves and from kandera and operational-tactical ones in general point u if you consider that er russia, the russians tried to hit our military facilities in order to achieve a certain strategic goal, well, to weaken our reserves, but to use tactical missiles for a strategic strike un point well, how about that from the rubric what more evidence is needed of the trend that the russians are starting to run out of missiles, or rather, you know, such an interesting

moment was that there was indeed a premium, public figures warned long before that there might be missile attacks, but they were the fact that in the black sea there were at once five ships carrying missiles-caliber, but these missile strikes happened and suddenly the ships turned back, which if hints that they could, in principle , stand in the sea without missiles and simply distract our attention because, well, these are such components on the caliber , on the pasture, that's why the situation in the russians turns out to be interesting. by the way, the british intelligence says about this, they also say this, and what are our ukrainian soldiers there, who are in the east in the donbas, that in principle , a-a, with more and more russian army now well, there in offensive operations, they rely on reservists who were just recently there thanks to the so-called bars there, the so-called so-called so-and-so, their combat active reserve is involved, and so

on . little is now used in offensive e actions, e what does this indicate, is russia really losing its e offensive momentum, that is, including in the donbass, where they are concentrated the most entry well, here you can even more accurately say that the armed forces of the russian federation are finally losing their personnel backbone, on which they learned to fight for years and the like. well, that's why they are forced to use those so-called reservists of british development, in general, they give us such an optimistic assessment that even if it is in a few weeks, the potential border offensive is offensive the potential of the russian army may finally be exhausted, but perhaps because of these same personnel problems. well, let's just shoot for this machine, because you know. well, you can try somewhere with some such certain linear criteria to evaluate the russian army, well, the case sometimes looks a little ungrateful, now i will explain why

because well, after our troops left severodonetsk in an organized manner, the russians came here , it would be logical to expect that money is worth taking at least a few days for a kind of operational pause to replenish the reserve there or kit well , even though their personnel had a proper rest, there was literally one day without any assault actions in the east of ukraine and the russians went on the attack again, that is, you know, it’s even difficult here to somehow try to predict yes, well, more or less exactly how absurd are these attempts to storm and the russians can quickly wear themselves out because it is possible that the russians will be enough for a long time , they will simply fill up with such reservists, the so-called, who signed a contract there for two months, and maybe literally and in a month, sorry, there will be no such attacks on the basis of fools. well, we also know that there are already german eyes. armored howitzers 2000 have already appeared on the

front, how do they work, there were also many reports that there were serious counter-battery duels in the last few days somewhere under the bachmouth well, most likely for these same counter-batteries panzergo promised 2000 simply let's say so, we can only assume here because only today visual materials have appeared that confirm the very fact of the arrival of those e -e self-propelled maps of installations in the east of ukraine for the disposal of the occupiers , but here is already an interesting point that here is how germany provided us with approximately 12 such units , but already promised to give at least a minimum of six indeed, to save prestige with german weapons. well , it is also interesting that the german newspaper bilt was the first to announce the use of pansergal-bitz 2000 in the east. you know

what ? for the armed forces of ukraine to immediately buy 100 such self-propelled howitzers. moreover, ukraine is directly interested in this. how about a howitzer that can shoot literally in automatic mode, what else is needed for complete happiness in smuggling we have literally a minute, i will ask at the very end. the ukrainian armed forces, the headquarters of the ministry of defense, urge us to speak less and keep quiet about what is happening in the south. here's the logic. the logic is simple. in the south, the russians have self-propelled guns, pawns that can shoot at long range. up to 47 km, unfortunately, this is like the distance that our troops can cover a day or two ago, but it is really better not to place under such large-caliber guns with a caliber of 203 mm, by the way, you know, you can also shoot tactical a nuclear charge, even yes, that is, in general, we should not use such artillery. i promise that it is better to be silent sometimes in social networks about kherson, because the

answer is absolutely clear. of this information hour, i would like to thank everyone who watched us. we will have another hour after the news release. and what was prepared for you by anna eva melnyk, i will pass on my own words. thank you, colleagues, russian nazis hit civilian object in poltava oblast and let's start with this, be with us to be the first to know about the most important thing: the russians shelled kremenchuk, that in poltava ova dmytro lunin, the head of the poltava ova, reported the arrivals later . kremenchuk

iryna skripachova iryna skripachova will be in touch with us a little later and will definitely tell you the details. meanwhile, i will tell you about the situation in the kherson region