российской федерации если проили какие это, again , all the chambers of the parliament of российской федерации were headed by those times when there was no putin , because belarus was a training ground for the former special services of the union for construction. that's how the iberg structure writes that they are the belarusian people and he wanted to enslave her for now. live and i would like the grace of the word, your slogan 20.18 to be hammered across ukraine today, and it is enough simply a-a slogans with totalitarianisms that were in the 20th to become what were more truly terrible, this is the will of the people will to the people why is it that no one in belarus will be left for the people now because of what kind of activity the belarusian company,

which is called the people, is to blame for everything, uh, to lukashenka periodically, i still appeal to alexander grigorevich and i to ferrynovate the belarusian people, i can even see that because imperial moscow must two peoples must not quarrel, because uh, in belarus, in this situation, which you could see in the language, by itself, today on this cable, the hybrid war of the russian federation is super belarusian, the belarusian people are shooting about we wrote the rules of not svobodov a long time ago. and it was already caroled , or wasn’t it the last election farce of 2020? there, lukashirskaya panda, she really was a pawn because there was one of the law for everything. that’s how they were in blood until the 20th year i didn't

sing and this is an indicator of poroshenko's acceptance by others . publicly boasted so that the lukashenka gang, i wrote a horse to putin 's bank, absolutely illegal, matches on different of your tv channels, back there, why is she lukashenka, because the power structures were already controlled on a simple basis from moscow, er, er, supradin, the belarusian people to more lukashenka troops , silence, primacy, the matter is in the russian, ukrainian movement of missile strikes from the territory of belarus

, er, that is what is sought after the terrible tragedy of the belarusian people, this is what and what is not, we did not have maksym it is necessary to form the belarusian army and, uh, guys, i am here to engage in demagoguery because the protest in belarus was peaceful and because there was someone there who asked how he was peaceful, this is something else, and because there is growth in belarus, for example, in other countries, i am not, but people have practical access to weapons in the conditions of a dictatorship , which i have never been guided by the law, and therefore, for example, how do belarusians probably stop the same russian plane that flies in from the airspace of belorussia novosti here in ukraine ? for example well, i understood and i guess i, i

, i, i, yes, belarusian national interests, i don’t just need a parasite of the russian federation , dynamo, where ukraine is, because i didn’t say that because the belarusian people are enslaved. personally, living natural, he needs to survive and when to say again, in a real situation, it is absolutely true that the absolute majority of belarusians and she does not want it, there was a war with ukraine, everything else is a return because of the political terror that has been in belarus for two years, despite the wholesale stupidity, well actually yesterday, we spoke with mr. pavlo musov, and he said that according to his estimates, up to 50% of belarusians are now uh well, so to speak, not out loud but silently, but they support ukraine in this war, do you agree with this assessment

is called a logical question for a long time there in belarus like this. but i am inventing in detail that the absolute majority of belarusians are superfamily, and in other words, there is no mite in any situation today, and not on russian propaganda, and not with everything. detailed steps on the part of ukraine in terms of game propaganda that is, even more from the belarusian natural side of ukraine, eh, this is china again, the reason why lukashenko from the kiosks, from which a long time ago , to perform the punitive functions of the super-belarusian people, i also do not run, why in ukraine, i do not know that in this force of a special operation there are three familiar brigades that you are talking about, and they will tell you about them on ukrainian tv channels, this is vitebsk polynogorsk impresskaya, they shot, killed and attacked belarus

in the summer of 2020, this is karpyuk. the army is afraid to chase me even because the belarusian will gather, even if it is not scary, more with an owl today, tragic money for all belarusian us today exactly 80 years ago the curled-up velikyenko bathed in moscow and worse than all of it, they killed the stickiests, this health, eh, the hotels, eh, a lot of money was taken for everything, eh, he died, and this is such a sad date, because this would be a great prophet, eh, and everything from the beginning xx century and which passed in the same way, the dpshnyk

peresledovanie shone through completely by accident, vyzhal eh during the 37th 33rd 37th year yes and here he was killed exactly in the 85th back in the 42nd year of his life we actually also have to remember on this date i really hope that in ukraine the process of purification and russification is now underway in particular, the wider ukrainian school curriculum and culture in particular will also mean that the accents will shift and ukrainian schoolchildren in particular will, for example, study the same yank kupalo in ukrainian textbooks and we will know more about the literature and culture of our closest neighbors and, in fact, really very related peoples, but i would like to remind you that ukrainian and belarusian are the most closely related of all languages ​​in the world. well, actually, when we talk about the ukrainian language or belarusian, one to the other and belarusian language is terribly confused in belarus and to update

the regime of the cat, and they simultaneously said in different ethers in ukraine actions in defense of belarusian interests in the pryluky shevchenko regime, normally we have two state languages. the belarusian language, which appears as one of the two state languages, was refused here. pure , as the occupiers refuse us two state languages, emotion, we will stand. the sail is here and everything is the same. year outside 2020, everything was terrible because there was no boat day. how are belarusians not arrested all the time? the police are torturing you. do you understand this belarus? they are alive today. yes, they are not in slavic times - this is absolutely new, for example, not in the soviet 1968 year, when there was

theft. -е советских восковых slovakia е - е it's getting to the point that here i am in belarusian. he's used to terror. what do you do? the angle is so fast and unfortunately, we ourselves have little skill for a year of political repression. belarus, of course, what we know on the sign is exactly the same, and it will come back . political, this is the so- called case of nikolaevskaya, the nikolaev key was revealed, on which 60 years and love tried, which 57 years, they keep such separate test

metal cages, this is the same frame byvanie byly etot yes yes in terrarism and maxime keep вырывать офицыны застрела unfortunately we don't have anymore unfortunately we don't have anymore unfortunately there is more time for the conversation but thank you for this conversation and we will definitely continue it because we have many topics to discuss i really hope that ukraine will win may it also affect the situation in belarus, and i think we are all interested in this, and ukraine, i believe that it can actually become a good partner for belarusians in belarus, and well, there is the russian federation, so hold on. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. thank you, vyacheslav sivchuk to us the head of the solidarity movement, together with the head of the council of the belarusian national congress and a former political prisoner, joined us. well, we are moving on. serhii djerzhu, head of the public league ukraine nato,

candidate of political sciences. by the occupiers death to the enemies i let's still start with such a topic that the big seven actually ended today in the bavarian alps well, the us secretary of state anthony blinken concluded that it is prohibited to introduce on the import of russian gold will deprive the russian federation of the opportunity to receive 19 billion dollars a year , the agreement on limiting the price of russian oil, the spread of sanctions against the defense sector of the russian federation was also discussed, in a word they talked about some economic consequences, and whether they look convincing enough or whether they were fulfilled in your own way, for example, your expectations from this well, the expectations are always higher, you will be satisfied with the numbers and actions of nato only

when the enemy will be forced to leave the territory of ukraine, we will liberate crimea, donbass, then we really all support the joint work of ukraine and the ukrainian army and nato assistance, and we will be satisfied with this cooperation. for now, russia still has the resources for the war , and it also receives huge funds due to the fact that , after all, oil and the slogan is sold, although in smaller volumes already, unfortunately, the prices have become higher, if the revenues also flow to russia, but obviously, the europeans, the western world, the democratic world are looking for ways to reduce these revenues for russia, one of the directions is the very termination purchases of gold in the russian federation and because russia has large reserves of monocar gold and the

extraction process is going exactly where it is going in the buryat, they deceive the local population and instead of income, they do not give anything, they only offer to die on the territory of ukraine, in a word, if russia does not will be able to sell gold, this will also have a significant impact on its economy. called, in particular, to stop the aggression of russia by the end of the year. well, there are also, of course, additional sanctions and aid. weapons to stop the aggression by the end of the year. do you have your own understanding of all this? what do you think is the level of support for supporting ukraine so that this is the extent to which the task has been carried out, so that there is a

nato summit taking place, we are interested in having more such summits and gathering more often, because the issue of the russian-ukrainian war is being considered there. we hope that an adequate assessment of russia will be given today in its to the strategic concept of russia is an enemy russia that destabilizes democracy violates security in europe fire from the other side if there is an assessment of russia then due to the fact that there is a russian-ukrainian war something needs to be said about ukraine about ukraine we know that a lot is being prepared things to support our state - this is one of the directions - this is the continuation of the strengthening of the provision of weapons in ukraine , the next is the continuation of the reform of what was done in the armed forces of ukraine, and the actual weapons of a new caliber, this is also the achievement of standards compatibility criteria zlata, and finally

political support in that we are sure we will hear the filling in the future membership and it will sound so affirmative because here we need to give one more political assessment in ukraine that ukraine has proven its great geopolitical significance, on the one hand, for security in europe, on the other hand, we can see how the export of grain from ukraine was blocked, and there will be famine in africa and asia immediately, that is, if another country in europe was blocked, it is possible that there was no such influence on geopolitics globally ukraine has such an influence, obviously, in this regard, the geopolitical role of ukraine was underestimated, and that is why it is necessary to give a proper assessment. i think it will be normal at the summit, it is nato. well, if you also look at the comedians, what was the result? by the way, jason, the

meeting is also about finding after all, the mechanisms of how to deprive russia of profits from the sale of oil, that is, the increase in prices actually became, well, if it was a reverse boomerang , relatively speaking, from the policy of oil embargo sanctions , it also led to such a situation the reverse of the fact that russia earns even more now from the export of auto oil and gas, and to what extent are the proposed solutions in particular there, for example, state regulation of prices there or between the state e can work, well, the task of political leaders is to find mechanisms to minimize the use of russian oil and gas and everything will be done and i am sure that experts are experts, they are professionals in this matter, they can always offer several options. i

think that it will be found first by increasing middle eastern oil production, first of all, in norway, and other processes, but it would be important if there was such a global assessment of russian aggression as a whole, and because we see that china and india are buying monkeys from russia, it is obvious to them it doesn't matter what happens in ukraine, explosions are going off and civilians are being killed, shopping centers are being shelled, where dozens of people are dying, eh, surely these countries don't care about kenya in africa, eh, they increased the supply of russian oil, of course, russia makes a huge discount and eh, they can all refrain from this and from this temptation to buy somewhere with someone under aviation for very cheap e-e products

. in this case, oil. but it would still be good if there was some kind of international solidarity, first of all, of democratic countries and those that consider themselves democratic or direct democracy yes, it is mentioned in particular, and china was mentioned with calls to pressure russia to end the war in ukraine, but this topic remains difficult, in fact, i will ask you then, you know. what if look at the people who were present at the meeting with jaysovan, and they all became the leaders of their countries or there at the derlein forest fund with representatives of the european union, and already after the stops, the war began, if we count from the spring of 2014 and

this all reminds us for sure that the trust and support of ukraine now depends, in particular, on those elites who are in power right now, but in democracies, these cadences are not long. they come to an end, there is always a danger that that populists are coming to power, people who say why do we have to suffer, why do we pay more for bread and groceries? and what is this ukraine for, and so on and so on? is this understanding supposed to stimulate us not to postpone changes for later? in your opinion, what in what should it should be implemented simply percent i agree with you everything that can be done today should be done if there is any possibility er to make reforms and move in the direction of european and euro-atlantic integration should be done well it had to be done with at the very beginning of the creation of the ukrainian state, in the

end, and the exchange of nuclear weapons with the budapest memorandum does not look so successful from the point of view that at that time it was necessary to fight for such a positive thing for ukraine as a member of nato and the european union under this, under this, not only guarantees. well, the real implementation of giving nuclear weapons was such an exchange, the real one was about that, there were times of peace . on the oligarchs for their happiness life here in ukraine and at the end of the day ukraine as a republic did not turn into a country of such a people's national economy the property of

a large number of people and the property passed into the hands of only individuals who people did not express the opinion of the ukrainian people, they did not represent ukrainians if it was global and for some reason it became a separate topic for conversation, and today ukrainians need to sacrifice themselves. to die at the front, to be killed in stores and shopping centers because russia is shelling everything chaotically and our children are dying because of the mistakes of politicians. i would say so because the actual state in which we find ourselves today is also a partial situation that was created in ukraine because at one time we also see the

baltic countries and eastern european countries, they managed to acquire nato membership and today, hmm, they are in a much better place than we were. we always came under the influence of the russian federation and were subject to this influence. i remember how such bridges of friendship were created there . delegations with russia went to each regional center with some of their regional cities, and here everyone was told about brotherhood, which means friendship, and about some shady schemes and about a happy life in a common colony. so, someone rusted everything. did not assert their europeanness, but succumbed to these influences of asian muscovites in this

sense. it seems to me that war is, among other things, a chance. it is good to always consider war as a chance. when can it be overcome in where when a year what are they going for what are they going for for example a century i am for example i believe that the oligarchic period it was impossible to avoid for ukraine with the fact that it entered the year 89-90 and for ukraine it became faster hmm because they were possible avoid he rather passed well because he at least allowed us to establish a competitive democracy and this and this and this already this this already to a certain extent we owe it to the competition between oligarchs this what what this is a short period that went the other way in russia and they have them actually moved to where they have moved now, well, this is my personal opinion. i have also been studying this question for a long time. thank you very much for the conversation. serhiy dzher

, head of the public league of ukraine, nato, candidate of political sciences, was with us, and let's talk a little about the russian default. also, actually, this default means, first of all, that economic sanctions are in effect and they are in effect so that russia was unable to pay its debts. do you remember how there is a doe on the coat of arms of the old wars of thrones that the lannisters pay chose everyone can't always pay their debts, uh, well, in many countries, they generally claim that in fact they do not have a default. if they were allowed to pay in gold, or even better, in rubles, they would pay everything calmly. is this what is really true ruslan osypenko is a diplomat, an economist, an

internationalist . they didn't really fight they could pay the money they have, but what they are fighting is that they need to ask themselves why such conditions have been created that they have 100 million they can pay this is a sign that russia has turned into just an outcast on the sidelines on the sidelines of history, now she is doing it with her own hands ah, he creates this image for himself, if the war ends conventionally speaking, god willing, by the end of the year, what will happen next with this default and with the russian economy and sanctions, in your opinion, well, the west applies, from my point of view, such an anaponda algorithm gradually shrinking the economy of the economy of russia, it will no longer be able to reach the volumes at which it was before the war, well, at least closer to 10 there 15-15-20 years. well, because it is cut off technologically and

financially from international markets, it has received the statuses well is already receiving the status of a sponsor of terrorism in many countries, it is receiving the status of a country that does not pay its debt obligations of this type, this means in fact, as i said, it falls to the sidelines of history and its economy will be narrowed by the russian dictator lenin, who actually, as a result of the aggressors of the aggressive policy of the war that he started against the ukrainian people's republic, the first attempt of the ukrainians to create their own ukrainian republic , she suffered a fairy tale, and it was already a little more than 100 years ago, so it seems that he had a phrase that russia plus china and plus india together are invincible now when we look at what is happening in particular with the future with the future summit of the group of 20 which will be in

november a state and when indonesia invites on the rights of accepting the countries of putin and zelensky at the same time, how to react here, is there a danger that these lines of division, let's say, they will deepen, or could this eventually lead the world to a real big world war in which the autocratic world will fight with an open world, open economies with a democratic world, here are the points of view. i don't want to scare anyone, but i want to say that we are in the forerunner of such a big war because the security system is broken, and in particular, putin broke it, which well, i have i mean yalta patzemsk, which was created as a result of the second world war , uh, it was broken, where was the sovereignty, the inviolability of the borders, that you can't change it by force, putin actually, he threw it all into the

basket. that's why now we have regional conflicts ah and in the middle east, a war in ukraine in our region is possible, a potential war in the asian pacific archiving is practical between china and india, they can all get angry, eh, a small confrontation and, in fact, the base is already a watering can distribution is, if you say, democratic countries on the one hand in the camp and automatic on the other side here well, actually uh-uh in-uh how how what how in ukraine conventionally speaking uh-uh in this world to survive ukraine must strengthen first of all the military plan, as practice has shown, only a reliable and strong army provides a guarantor of security now. and if you have a guarantor of security, it means that in the long term you can develop everything else, the economy, and

political relations within the state in your own action to develop. if you are in danger or are recognized your sovereignty well, then there is nothing to talk about, so the first task today is to build a new army, it is already being built, but in fact it is moving to the norms of the tension standard well, it seems to me that we also need to think about the future it was also so that we would be self-sufficient in this construction, well, in my opinion , this means that we still need a powerful economy, we will not receive weapons systems from western partners forever, and we need also, accordingly, education, because we need innovations to create our samples of good weapons, that we basically show what we have for this potential, i completely agree with you, this is a relationship, interconnected processes, uh, why didn't i mention the economy, energy, education and science are basic things that must be developed on a

permanent basis, this is forever, in fact, it is the basis of the army, why do we talk about the army, because we got into such a situation when we did not take care of our army, we thought that it was not necessary, you know such a tool of the state distributed property and did not respect their military for a certain time there was a state and when the time came to the war we understood that the state is a tick that protects the entire society and politicians and ordinary citizens who lives in this country , i absolutely absolutely agree with you mr. ruslan, thank you ruslan osypenko, diplomats , economist-internationalist, at the end of our year