yesterday, in principle, the sensational moment was that finland and sweden are invited to nato, they did not expect this, there were difficult negotiations at the highest level of the tripartite turkish, swedish, finnish and they agreed and signed the numbers that sweden and finland receive invitations to become the 31st and 32nd nato members and it can already happen very quickly, waiting for a few months, it will take the parliaments of 30 member countries of the alliance to ratify these agreements on the accession of sweden to ukraine, this is the first moment - this is a historic moment because less increases greatly in the first place the security in europe in the north of europe in the baltic region it also e-e extends the e-e border between russia and the nagrono countries by 1300 km this is the finnish russian border and so this is a comparison now the borders of russia from the attack with 1200 km this the baltics, that is, grapes a little with norway, and now even more than half a thousand borders are added, because it diverts

russia's attention there on the border with nato and from ukraine. that is, this is the first moment that increases security, i will tell you in the north, as i said, it is also important for ukraine is what has become bohemianism, which emphasizes the fact that the doors of nato remain open for the acceptance of new members. this is the first point. the second point is that putin wanted, so to speak, less nato . the countries will not be the last, maybe we will meet next, maybe i said one more thing about the presidency of europe, but we need the anatomy of nato, the organization of europe, that is, i wanted europe to squint before flirting, looking at the gate, what is there only my kremlin is talking about not expanding nato, but instead there will be more, a little more security and more power, also uh, more widely, in this context, the

decision to strengthen the eastern flank of nato will be important here at the summit. that is what is expected to be done by nato from the rapid reaction force, which will be to be based in the baltic countries of poland in slovakia, romania and beyond these new members of cooperation, the central court of europe 40,000 to 300 thousand and together, taking into account those who will cymbals us , so to speak, their rapid response in addition to knowing are ready to defend in general, understanding is taking place , i.e. not like before when russia provokes or attacks and then liberates the territory of its members for six months, and now there will already be a significant infrastructure of multiple weapons, many forces of the caspian, which will be ready to immediately repel any attack as well as attacks there will be provocations , and one more point is very important - this is a strategic concept that will be accepted at

the nato summit at the next one by the president. and there it is said that, in principle, ukraine wanted to was a very firm, harsh language of the phrase about russia will be recognized as the most significant direct threat to peace and stability in the euro-atlantic shelling and that russia wants to create a sphere of influence to control aggression and annexation through intimidation, that is, the example of ukraine right here is clearly what russia is doing in the region that russia is modernizing, there is also concern that russia is modernizing its nuclear forces and using nuclear intimidation, i.e. all these chernobyls and southern ukrainian aerotherapy and the occupation of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant energodari and this is nuclear blackmail, intimidation, reminders that russia has nuclear weapons, this is all nato notices and keeps on the radar, so to speak, and also aligns with the fact that russia is building up fishing forces in the black sea and the mediterranean sea, and also wants the

military integration of russia and belarus, a threat to the security of nato countries in general nato emphasizes that it does not seek consultations with russia. but russia can not be a partner now. russia cannot be called a partner, but the lines of communication with moscow. nato wants to keep the lines of communication of the rural we are open for one more moment, i will briefly talk about china, too, and its strategic budget and will say that china has great ambitions to intimidate the driver, hidden ambiguously, somehow, so it is for the chinese to lead the security interests and values ​​of the north atlantic alliance, as well as what china is building up a very strong presence and does not play according to international rules in space and on the seas, that is, in cyberspace, so china is also on the radar, and i will remind you that here for the first time as a result of the participation of japan, the southern weapon of australia is small zeeland it is precisely because of the chinese factor that i just wanted to clarify about the chinese issue, er, that

is, it means that there are countries that are not members of the alliance, but which were also present at the summit today. this is an important sign . things, mr. erdogan, to ask how significant they are for nato countries, what are they for sweden, in particular, these are the things that at the last moment erdoğan and erdoğan managed to negotiate co- kursk labor party activists i do i understand that many of them are as emigrants in the territory of these countries, in particular sweden, that is, what this will practically mean is whether they have gone too far, let's say, from their own system of values, this country is a mask in order to eh in order to still eh get this

permission to pass this block of turkey i mean the concept of sweden, of course, that sweden and finland will take seriously the eh threat to the security of turkey and the tourist threat in turkey also that it assumes that m- m e-e intelligence the information that turkey will provide to these new future members of nato will be taken seriously by them regarding the possible presence of some people there who are involved in terrorism, it is also obvious that sweden , finland, after this memorandum will cancel the embargo on supplies and weapons to turkey. and i will remind you what a bar is implementation after turkey entered invaded four syria labor there will be kurds there self-defense units conducting this is one point regarding extradition so to speak there are aspects here there are aspects there are fears what or not will there be violations of human rights or will there be any

political orders from turkey, send us this person, extradite this person to us, anu, give us lists, we still have such moments, but we are obliged as such to respond to every request, request about an expedition and sweden did not take the trouble, well, the problem is serious , because in these countries people do not want the swedish citizens of finland to be sent somewhere at the request of turkey. i will remind you that , for example, in sweden this is also an issue the internal kurds are up to 100,000 - this is almost 1%, almost 10%. almost 1%, for the population of sweden 10 million hryvnias. so this is a very, very serious topic and there is such a setting that these numbers do not provide that any calls for expeditions take place in accordance with the european convention on expeditions, that is, so that

human rights are not violated, so that there is no some such political orders from turkey's law enforcement and claims about sweden and all sorts of things, especially sweden, because there is politics, money, the khrushchev community, thank you very much mr. rostislav, rostislav hotel, a journalist from radio svoboda from madrid, spain, joined us and told us about the latest, actually, the latest information, the latest news . today, oleksy nyutka, people's deputy, mr. what are ukrainian expectations from this? you know what you were hoping for. simplified what is happening now sweden and finland are de facto members of nato and you know the turning point for me this was a message that came from the

kremlin, we do not object and we accept that sweden and finland are members of nato we have no problems why they are in the kremlin they talked because they understood that they could not do any harm in this , by the way, they also talked about ukraine's candidacy for the european union. well, is it cream and does putin want to see ukraine in the european union? to do that europe is very clearly on the side of ukraine they said no no we accept let ukraine join the european union this is the weakness of the kremlin, this is the inability of the kremlin to defend their geopolitical interests and in this context unfortunately for me , what is happening today with ukraine was a very serious blow since sweden and finland de facto receive open doors and membership in nato at this summit, ukraine should also

have received an action plan regarding nato membership at this summit because we had more opportunities to receive nato support, even a candidacy in the european union for a candidate in the european union, we rallied absolutely all of us, there is no power, there is no opposition, there are no civilians, there are no soldiers. all of ukraine, 90%, said that we want to be in the european union, but all of ukraine, for 80%, said that we want to be in nato, and here it is just such a dissonance sounded the statement of the authorities, which was voiced by the deputy head of the president's office, mr. zhovkva, who, in an interview with a respected western newspaper, said that the ukrainian authorities are not going to integrate with nato . for me personally, this was not just a downward blow. trains i think this is treason and panzhovko should resign because he probably did not read the constitution of ukraine, where it is clearly written that

ukraine is joining nato, ukraine is realizing its euro-atlantic aspirations. he must not have seen sociology, where a percentage of ukrainians say that they want to be in nato if such an official a high- ranking person says such things, it means either he is a traitor or he is simply announcing what he was instructed to announce in other offices because i have not heard a rebuttal from the head of the ukrainian state no from the head of the government, not from the secretary of the national security and defense council, i expect more than that. i am convinced that during the speech of president zelensky at the meeting of the heads of nato countries, a thesis will definitely be heard, a very clear message from president zelensky that ukraine must receive a plan will definitely be heard actions regarding membership in nato without it, i do not understand then, we had an even smaller window of opportunity to

enter to obtain the status of a candidate for the european union, we used it, we have a much greater opportunity for childhood in nato, why today's government does not want to do it because moscow does not want to do it, it will never want to do it. on the contrary, it will do everything to prevent us from becoming a collective member of the collective security system, and this is absolutely obvious. this year, when poroshenko was not allowed to attend the nato parliamentary assembly, he was given the opportunity to go to the meeting of the european people's party, and actually after his speech after the meeting with the summit of the european people's party, he decided to support of ukraine in the 14th european union he was given the opportunity to go to berlin now, where he speaks at an international forum and where he actually promotes european values, and at the same time,

poroshenko was not given the opportunity to participate in the parliamentary assembly of nato countries. don't you think that these are all links to one chain and i am very, very sorry for this, because what is our victory, our victory is not just to liberate the territories of crimea, donbas, luhansk oblast, our victory is to become a member of the collective security system so that no one and has never encroached on territorial integrity. we understand that if we stop the war now and kharkiv zaporizhzhia mykolaiv odesa dnipro will remain under attack, then the muscovites will go further sooner or later, they will go further, therefore our question is not just to stop, reject, liberate the occupied territories , our task today is to become a member of nato yes just as today we are demonstrating the possibilities for our membership in the european union and the fact that the ukrainian authorities are torpedoing these things, having such a moment, having already

de facto transitions of the military industry to standards nato is very, very surprising to me, in fact, the idea that ukraine can join the european union faster than joining its disruptive union. well, in the automatic alliance, more precisely, this union, actually, it exists, it exists, this is one of the arguments in particular, or three months ago, let's recall when the russian army had certain successes , when everyone was seriously talking about a possible storming of kyiv and , as far as i understand, it was actually being considered, as far as i understand it, as a condition of negotiations. that is, it was possible, it was some kind of starting position for a compromise, but it seems to me that today it is necessary to understand that it is unlikely that the ukrainian path will be different, because all the countries of the european de facto union, without exception, in

one way or another initially joined nato, if it is at least about the expansion of the expansion after the 90s, after the 89th year after the fall of the berlin wall that's why uh yes we will of course uh talk about it now we will still add to us zhegimantas pavli pavlionis this is the head of the committee on international affairs of his prayer deputy litovsky uh we will be there now we will contact him for now and let's talk a little bit about lithuanian affairs here and about uh-uh also uh-uh s- ukraine's accession to nato and still , in your opinion, is ukraine, well, well? they were attacked by the russian federation at the same time, in fact, at the same time, they came here, on this land, where we are sitting now, and the question is that, in 1949, nato was already created

10 years after the events, but we understand that in the 49th year, finland's chances of joining nato were absolutely illusory. well, impossible for sure. or is it means that it is possible that our path to nato will still be very long, well, on the street it is not the year 49, but the year 2022, that is, during this time, a lot has changed during this time in the countries that were essentially satellites of the russian empire in the countries of eastern europe after the second world war. today they became members of the european union, they became members of nato, that is, the geopolitical situation has changed extremely seriously and we have to use the opportunities we have in the 22nd year. i remember very well the conversations with the poles when they were preparing to join nato and access the european union, did they have obstacles then? of course there were. was there pressure from moscow on the eastern countries on the

western countries not to accept poland, the czech republic, slovakia, other nato countries into the european union ? ukrainians today are fighting with weapons in their hands . what is the european union what are the standards of the european union de facto - these are the standards of the north atlantic defense alliance, only one more important component is added to these standards - this is the security component of the security component. today our brigades are interacting, this is

essentially nato standards, on which planes we will learn tomorrow, there is already a decision of the congress, we are talking about the f15, about others. that is, you are the security component we have certainly gone much further than in the civilian component, therefore there is nothing to postpone for tomorrow, we have a unique chance today, no one in the western world will dare not to support ukraine in the security context, it depends on only one thing, it depends on the ukrainian authorities, and therefore if such officials as the deputy head of the president's office with of his own free will against someone else's will violates the constitution of ukraine, he must resign. and the top leadership of the ukrainian state must make a clear statement that already today and without appealingly, ukraine should be a member of nato, as 80% of ukrainians want it. i say once again, i would really like

more of this. i am convinced that during his speech, president zelenskyy should address the countries of the western alliance with exactly this appeal. i will allow myself a question. do we want to be nato members before we win back crimea or after? i think that if we have such an opportunity to do it, we should do it already because the first step is an action plan regarding membership, we will not follow the procedure by which sweden or finland is going today. they have advanced too far in their living standards to make the decision to accept it much easier, so finland has also lost. ukraine is now

occupied by more than 20% of the population of its country. well, we are in a bit of a situation. i do not allow any negotiations regarding the territorial integrity of ukraine. i do not i do not allow any compromises regarding the territorial integrity of ukraine and a person who will not go to sign any agreements that at least hint that part of our state belongs to the aggressor countries, the occupying country is a traitor, i do not know if the court will judge directly, but what is the court of history he will be condemned unequivocally, i am more than convinced that no one in the ukrainian political community will dare to come forward today and sign an agreement on the legitimization of the loss of ukrainian territories , especially since today we have a chance to return these the more so since we have de facto stopped the russian offensive, and under threat lysychansk

will succeed, the threat today is very, very serious, but i am convinced that the enemy will definitely not be able to cross the kharkiv-slovyansk-kramatorsk-zaporizhia line, and we must prepare today to take back the territory we can do it well, it's just theoretical, i'll continue my then simple opinion well, if you imagine that ukraine was able to return the territory, but, for example, could not return the crimea, it dragged on for a longer time and for this time, for example, ukraine was accepted into nato, we were able to convince the allies. i'm just now modeling the situation with us. in general, it doesn't look very convincing to me, and it's more fantastic, but in this case, ah, and ukraine at some point decides that it already has enough strength and opportunities in order to return the military method the military method crimea in such a case and if russia responds, for example, with the use of nuclear weapons , then we find ourselves in a very difficult situation. the same

as the alliance. that is, we are not in a situation frighten yourself with conventions crimea is ukraine, and today we have a precedent in the world when, after the second world war, japan never recognized the territory occupied by russia, which they call their own, and taking into account the fact that there is no peace treaty between japan and russia, but there is a cessation of hostilities, there are international there are economic ties, i am convinced that we have no reason or right to recognize crimea at any time as the territory of the russian federation, crimea is ukraine, and the circumstances can be said in different ways , and it is possible that the circumstances will turn out so that the military but sooner or later crimea will return and i am convinced that as soon as we liberate today's occupied mainland parts of the kherson region from zaporizhzhia. believe that the geopolitical

situation will change very, very seriously. that ukrainian politician who recognizes crimea as russian or who recognizes at least a square centimeter of the occupied territory as russian will not doubt it - this is an fsb agent and this is a traitor who sooner or later will be held accountable and not only by the court of history well, i also wanted to discuss this, it concerns the topic too much tangentially, ms. tikhonovskaya asked zelenskyi to promote the unity of belarusians and ukrainians from me here personally as an observer. she is from tsykhanov is she from tsykhanov or is she from tsykhanov svitlana that is, i have a problem with identification , that is, this is actually a problem that also affects

all belarusians, it seems, i am saying this frankly by our belarusian speakers, expert, many of them are included from exile, that is, they do not have the opportunity to be in belarus, and i ask them how we should treat belarusians, whether belarusians are already a certain e-e p- a certain subject or whether we are dealing with belarusian subjectivity to understand what kind of relationship we have this same issue is extremely important, that is , the unity of belarus and ukrainians. and on what basis are we, well, well, sometimes i look and think well, it is possible, mrs. tikhanovska, well, that is, if we are two or two peoples, then it is one thing, if belarusians are a certain version of russians and we, for example, can be certain according to the version of the russians, i do not want such unity, there is no doubt that belarusians are our fraternal people. there is no doubt that today the tentacles of the russian empire have penetrated very deeply into

belarusian society. there is no doubt that putin and the cream are pushing belarusians to open aggression against ukraine and all those blows which today are carried out from the territory of belarus by the strategic bombers of the russian federation, including in order for ukraine to retaliate and force the belarusians to directly engage in military action, the unrecognized head of the belarusian state, lukashenko , seems to have already sat down on a tightrope so deep that it is very difficult for him to get out of it and most likely this tightrope will lead to his downfall, but this has nothing to do with the belarusian people. i am more than convinced that if an objective survey were to be conducted today in belarus and do you want to fight with ukraine, 99% of belarusians would say no and

never, because as far as i remember the historical facts, there have never been any military conflicts between there were no ukrainians and belarusians, we fought, we fought on different sides, we fought in different coalitions, but the belarusians were never against us and we were never against the belarusians, so if lukashenko takes such a step, he will receive a response not only from ukraine, he will receive a response from the belarusian people themselves, and this probably deters him even more than the answer he can get from the armed forces of ukraine. actually, i recently read a very interesting opinion by an iconoclastic journalist about the fact that it is actually time to think about how to change from the inside, that is to return again to those concepts when you have to work with, well, relatively speaking, with your agents, with dissidents, with people who want changes in russia, but

now i am not talking about russia and not the problems, you said a very dangerous phrase, uh, russian dissidents have never been and are not are agents of the west, they are the bearers of democratic values, once in the soviet union ukrainian dissidents of the 1960s were called agents of false influence or whatever. in fact, these people were bearers of valuable things, and the same is true today in russia very little, this discussion about good russians, you know , it’s the same as the discussion about matchmakers, where it turns out that the main actor, matchmakers, went to samara to the liberators and began, as it were, to sympathize and justify those who killed and are killing ukrainian people, so it seems to me that we have a war here, not only weapons only states, we have a war of values, we are for a free world, we are for democracy, we are for freedom, these hordes and their descendants

, they grew up in another and they are not carriers of others , what do i think about, for example, that is, for the west, the west has enough resources and he had resources, supporting his own dissidents to a certain extent, supporting as much as possible freedom of speech and so on, that is, they are actually called agents, so the russians themselves now know now that there are agents there, somehow there. agents of foreign countries there influence. somehow it is official it is even called in our country, by the way, that is what yanukovych wanted to do in the last months of his reign, and he is about to run away from anemia. also, i just want to say briefly that we understand belarus better than anyone else, totally russification for example, the banned greek-catholic church, which they did not even rise from their knees, we managed to revive it completely, mostly on those historical ones . well, once upon a time, it was actually supposed to be the whole church. to be honest, because the union concerned the whole of

ukraine. because we understand them better than ever and why do n't we think the same way right now about the fact that we, and not the poles , should become the mentors of the language, not that the older brother does not like this rhetoric, but the friend of the belarusians, actually, the belarusians are not russified non-pro-russian non-russians who have already chosen such an identity there, and belarusians in belarus, you know when we will win. and we will one hundred percent win in this war, the situation will change very quickly and very coordinately, and ukraine will become an example for belarusians that it can be done, because what is the biggest problem today in our neighbors they have already mentally come to terms with the russian occupation by aggression and the ukrainians who have demonstrated that you can fight, you can win, you can have your values, they are a much bigger and stronger example for belarusians

than even our neighbors are poles. that's why it will happen and we are definitely those peoples who will carry together and be the bearers of european values. i hope that there are belarusians who can also hear this conversation now. they are rooting for ukraine in this particular war and this is one of the main reasons why it is so. thank you very much for this conversation. thank you to oleg . thank you to all the viewers who watched us. see you tomorrow too. i will host the morning show. continues anna eva melnyk and news release thank you colleague for your work , i will continue to work together with the news editor, so in a few moments about the most important things, stay with us russia