in denisova and so on, this publication on ukrainian pravda well, maybe it’s not very high -quality, but in any case, they use it to destroy our argument that the russians committed war crimes against the civilian population, so on the other hand, we understand that the war is going on and there are certain limitations, as far as i'm concerned, denisova took on such a lightning rod function. that is, it was not the first time that she began to publish information in such detail, based on certain assumptions , not everything was justified, so to speak, and it caused some damage, but on the other hand, if she had remained silent, that is, she was not speaking for herself, not as such, she was speaking on behalf of the state, citing very specific crimes committed against women, against our children, she was on the air, so we remember this received with their own e-e, according to the publication in ukrainian pravda, they are not verified like that well, let's hope that this story ends here, let's now

listen to a small fragment of the conversation of our colleagues from the espresso tv channel, ms. denisova, well, it's simple a lie because i was simply uh, well, no, the kind that needs what is needed by the government in the position of the authorized representative, the authorized person is independent from other uh, state officials, well, you understand. if he is authorized to speak to do as uh, agree with the authorities, but then he is not authorized in we are now at war and we need to prove the crimes of the russian federation, which was the russian federation? in ukraine and as a journalist, i advised first of all no to do such commissioned articles and understand that you are journalists first of all, because you are citizens of ukraine. i will exercise my citizenship from now on

my colleagues, we are organizing a public organization that will protect ukraine and the ukrainians wherever they are, so i will continue the struggle and very, very, very timely, in fact, a message from the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine did not arrive about the fact that another exchange of prisoners was carried out, thanks to which it was necessary to e managed to bring home 144 ukrainian defenders - this is the largest exchange since the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion of 145 95 azov defenders among them - 43 servicemen of the azov regiment, as for me this is news days a-a in general in general even details 59 soldiers of the national guard 30 of the naval forces 28 of the armed forces of ukraine 17 of the state border service of ukraine 9 of the territorial defense one of the national police of ukraine 23 officers 69

servicemen of the sergeant and senior ranks the oldest of the dismissed was 65 the youngest 19 most of the dismissed ukrainians have severe injuries, gunshot shrapnel , explosive injuries, burns, fractures, amputations of limbs, all of them receive appropriate delayed medical and psychological assistance and the coordination headquarters continues its work on the return of all captured defenders well, we return to the analysis of the situation yes with ms. denisova yes because this topic is actually much more than just about the position of human rights commissioner this story is about the possibility of using the data of similar publications so in the game of the russians, the game against ukraine, with us now, oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, oleksandr glory to ukraine yes, this is really very cool

news especially since it concerns people around whom the russian federation has been creating this halo for a long time. very often resorts to bluff, especially when it comes to such sensitive moments as our people in their captivity, so oleksandr, the institute of a boatman in our country is not really normal for me, it does not seem normal to me that during the war already for a certain period we did not have a human rights commissioner, how does this correlate in general with the current ukrainian legislation and with the needs of people whose rights are constantly being violated now on the territory of our country, the legislation seems to be exactly the same

language and we are talking about the fact that since lyudmila's powers were terminated village and from may 31 , then there they start from july 1, the commissioner's office now works in fact at idle speed and does not take place those actions that should be related to the effective operation of this institute. what is the office of the commissioner, first of all, it is the visits of the national preventive mechanism, which is probably one of the strongest such tools of this office, and it is also the answers to everyone who applies for the protection of their rights, which must be signed accordingly by the commissioner there is nothing except to sign, that is, everything

has stopped, everything is standing and eh all work is on monitoring on monitoring human rights violations it is to date eh let's say that the question of the effectiveness of the past or i would not consider the current commissioner. i told you now that there is a question about the functioning of the human rights commissioner of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. the independence of this institute has not been restored to date, and this independence was demonstrated, or rather , its absence due to the procedure for releasing the film. what happened on may 12 of this

year, in the 22nd year, the verkhovna rada passes the law or rather, changes to the law, which are provided as grounds for the dismissal of persons appointed or dismissed by the verkhovna rada of ukraine during wartime, and such a ground is established as due to the discovery of distrust. and actually this norm was established solely for the purpose of dismissing from the position of authorized forest inspector because we do not see any other fact of application of this interesting norm, i can tell you that i have been working with legislation for quite a long time, the law was passed against one specific person, who is this person was it will it be yulia tymoshenko or will it be viktor yanukovych and it will be ludmila inisova in this case we have passed a law that actually concerns one case of one person,

this is the first responsibility of the authorities, the second absurdity - it is that if this norm remains, that is, you can fire because of a show of distrust of the next authorized representative , accordingly, this authorized representative is suspended because he will constantly look around and see if he will not be distrusted, and the question is whether this authorized representative will be an independent person or will it be an independent institute in such a case, no, that is, its key one, valery dymov , a political scientist, director of the center for social information technology, a forum, glory to ukraine, mr. valery, is joining us. we are now trying to analyze what the real reasons were behind casey’s resignation of denisova. yes, we understand that the cadres, as they say, decide after all, if she might have behaved

somewhat differently, she might not have met , so to speak, strong resistance from certain circles in our political community, on the other hand, we we understand that what she made public really changed the perception of many europeans and americans. i think in the case of the crimes of the russian federation against our civilians . solved the issue, by the way, not with regard to denisov, but through denisov, including their own issues, since we made changes to the law on the legal regime of martial law. practically all the representatives of the verkhovna rada of ukraine in other spheres and secondary public life, they also could and can be fired because the

verkhovna rada of ukraine, let's say, express distrust or some other emotional assessment, therefore , on may 31 , only lyudmila denisova was fired and released potentially released or focused on that a-a or listen to or be released and other authorized other e-e bodies e-e type of the verkhovna rada of ukraine it is regarding the state language regarding e-e rights of the child now to the authorized representative regarding the territory e-e temporary occupied, well, according to everyone, it is shown in what way it is necessary to respond to maybe even requests and maybe even requests or maybe even to a certain extent there is some internal orientation towards the verkhovna rada of ukraine rather to the majority of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, therefore the question is not denis’s the question is that in practice the institution is authorized for human affairs the verkhovna rada of ukraine to a certain extent, let's say it stopped its independent existence, and that's

why it's here and here and the question is. even now, it's not about what denisova did . it works there, it should work better, uh, the question is that, well, they can really torture me, they can detect in the past, record crimes, well, but to a certain extent, well, let's say further, it won't work, but here you are, denisova, i will remind our viewers, maybe they they forgot that the issue of ms. denisova's appointment is boomeranging here, i said about it then that if she is appointed politically, then she can be fired politically, that's how the management system in ukraine actually works, that's how she was appointed to be bound by the law on the efficient court of ukraine and not as it should have been appointed. therefore, it is obvious that denisova and er, well, use the limit

of possibilities. yes, the rest of the constitution. it is important, if there was someone else, i don’t know, more indifferent or more, from some vegetarian point of view, it would not create the effect of an information bomb and here. the main question i have for mr. oleksandr is whether it is possible to prove with the help of fantasy that this is all that was made public by the denisov couple, because it is now not about denisova’s reputation, but about the state’s reputation, because an authorized person, a representative of the state in a certain area, voiced certain facts, and we understand that a significant part of them, as far as i understand it, is confirmed by a specific fact regarding russian crimes uh, look, the situation does n't look quite like that, and when we talk about confirming

this information, which is said to have been taken from a telephone hotline that has been open since april, uh, uh, it requires first of all, legal confirmation, and as far as i know, law enforcement agencies worked with this, the same office of the prosecutor general was approached by the national police with questions about specific situations and facts that were reported by the authorities, well, first on the hotline , recorded, and then the very next question was made public what kind of information and in what form can it be made public in the case when it comes to sexual crimes about sexual crimes against vulnerable groups, which are children and when this information is made public and precisely in this form, it also raises the question

of analyzing names, surnames, places of residence and so on, that is, it is not specified if the russian military committed similar crimes, then why should we keep it quiet. and this is if we have a fact of confirmed and proven a crime that can be let's say this is a well-founded proof in the case when it appears as a message to the hotline, i will give you another example, we work with la strata - this is an organization that also has a hotline to which messages are received about e-e sexual crimes and e. this organization works together with us in the coalition of the tribunal for putin and e at the stage when it was about hundreds of crimes that were reported by the office of the commissioner or by the commissioner at that time

, 16 messages were recorded on this hotline, of which only four could be singled out that have grounds for documenting, i.e. we are not talking about tens we are not talking about hundreds of crimes and accordingly i will not say specifically what was documented by these coalitions of putin's tribunal now there is documentation of four facts of sexual crimes, but these children are just certain statistics , you understand, that is, we are not talking about dozens and hundreds of cases, this is the answer to the question of how many legal entities there are crimes against children, against women or against men, and there are different ones cases i will not specify now, mr. valery, one more question for you actually. well, the publication and if possible a short analysis of the journalistic material. how are you a person who, in principle, understands information

and understands how it is presented in particular reacted to this publication and that which is now used outside our country, well , first of all, once again, in the previous comment, i spoke about the institution of your human rights representative, and not about lyudmila denisova. lyudmila denisova ended up in that political field in a very unfortunate let's put it this way, the story is a competition between those who will tell more and who will present it more vividly . you understand. if you give information about the weather and you say what it is, then it will not sell if you say that the weather will be 45°. let's assume that such a weather will be sold because mrs. denisova was actually in the information field that was also laid by her. i will not name the speakers. i will not talk about what

their efforts to be on the air led to. trying to be in the center of attention for the sake of attention itself, i will not talk about how some of our operations were thwarted , tactically, or even of an operational nature . precisely because someone wanted to be in the center the attention of the mass media, therefore, i am not against nisov to denisov, i have no piety of any kind, in fact, there is no information of this kind, for example, information about the situation of the weight of the mountain that existed in the usa when they were waging a just war against terrorists on territory captured by terrorists may resemble the situation with assange himself, who uses freedom of speech to influence the agenda in the world. and then i am a free journalist on russian television i did an interview with hasbro and when we looked at the world, that's why we now have to talk about that. no, denisova actually also worked outside the office itself. i know the chief

of staff. and croup exist and curators from the very beginning already she also presented herself as a separate person who went beyond the limits of the powers of competence and accordingly tried to use it for the sake of life reflection on the ability of journalistic material briefly in relation to the journalistic material, the first material when the media wrote ms. trushchynska there after denisenko, they wrote that it is not possible, some things are not allowed to a certain extent to make up one's fakes or, er, use one's propaganda , that is why the journalistic material itself was also in this river because it was actually also directed already in the political direction, as i remind others, the materials were used as if they were really real things in order to kill someone politically. well, mrs. denisova also succeeded things are used, she is now running around unicef. she is running around other international

institutions and they say that he was unfairly dismissed, clearly referring to the things we talked about, she has legal gaps, so journalists should not write this article, if they are responsible experts, they could not, but it should have worked institutional institutional e-e immunity in your opinion this article meets certain criteria yes journalism the article itself meets certain criteria but in the management system we are now talking about the management system so that in reality there shouldn't be either parallel lines of this kind, or the designation of his daughter , or what happened inside before this article, they answer almost more than what to write to me. well, that 's right . appeared, we are adults, that is, if the article is not based on facts, it appears, so to speak, in a leading publication on the internet

. i worked as an editor i would never have published such an article, believe me , valery, what kind of articles with such an attack and without justification, they are not published at all in terah reflection. yes, i, i just wrote my comment. i absolutely agree with mr. anton, look, the article is one-sided and uh, she presents prejudices without an alternative opinion and without referring to alternative sources, uh, and there is no reference to the fact that they tried to communicate with, for example , kinisova and her daughter to find out all the circumstances, this is two references to anonymous sources in the same way, we can invent five more anonymous

sources that will er appeal and deny the information as to me. so, in general, i'm sorry, i'll use the word that was called jeans, it's a custom material, and it's not from any specific medicine or from them why is it so possible it was justified maybe there were some other cases maybe it is one-sided there is little professional there are errors in this article and there is no normal methodological basis in general there is how it looks like this is a certain order it appears exactly at this time accordingly when we have the process of nominating a candidate begins, which also appears in a somewhat strange way on our profile, where i am talking about mr. lubinets, yes, who

is actually the head of the committee that was nominated by the same committee. i am interested even in this procedure itself, that is, in fact we have such an interesting coincidence of circumstances when this article appears, so i would honestly say that i did not perceive it as such a certain independence and independent material and actually this is a certain characteristic today . explanation what exactly happened, but she did not explain it in general and did not answer the questions. these are the questions you are raising now and the law remains exactly the same vision, look, we have time for this conversation, but in my opinion, it was very fruitful valeriy dima, political scientist, director of the center for social -information technology forum and oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights in the oleksya part of our conversation, and we are now adding to the broadcast dmytro katsal, director and conductor of the national academic men's

of the dudaryk play chapel and this inclusion is not for nothing, it is very important to note that today is the anniversary of the tragic death of the world-famous ukrainian opera singer, soloist of the paris opera, participant in the hostilities in the east of ukraine, vasyl slipak , we congratulate you, mr. dmytro. and we would ask you to remember mr. slipak with a kind word of bright memory in order to understand the level of loss suffered by ukrainian music and ukrainian art - this it is possible to collect in one avoska or kravchuchka, well, all the work of nato, brother, in quotation marks, and multiply it by the entire work of the world, in fact, basa profunda. i

can’t call it anything else. compare so that help at a very young age and his first premieres in the world here he disappears and fades away and is once again killed by the muscovites of russia, in fact, one thing comes to my mind, you know. all day me haunts the phrasing of the back story, now you release

your master's slave in peace - this is what was expected of christ. you know there for almost 300 years. and here he is, seeing a fool in this situation and you will see the transition of such a number of warriors, heroes, his followers, in fact, it is possible that his brothers and maybe he will calm down in a fragmented way, and they will celebrate with the victory, here's the one i got. that 's the one i got, so this is a very important monologue. we understand that the war continues and we should honor our heroes. we must remember these losses in the end. they always remain in families, but here the question is how to bring this out synergistically, and you, i know , joined the marathon in memory of vasyl slipak and as far as i understand, it's not only about

him, it's generally about drawing attention to the memory of our heroes by singing, tell me a little more about this concept, how it will happen at the very beginning, uh, now in the shelter, the national philharmonic is doing this, our flower. networks of such memorable things. here i remember the beginnings of this marathon on vasylevo, and we talked a lot about vasyl, about the role, the mission, the value. well, it was such a very sincere conversation, and i asked her are you not

offended that this attention will now be focused on vasyl, at the same time, the citizens of vashkiv contributed no less, she said, the period of the settlement and put a blessing on his hands. i understood, that is, this marathon of memory. to you , mr. dmytro, for your tireless work, a bright memory to the heroes, dmytro katsal, director and director of the national academic men's chapel, dudaryk

, worked live on the espresso tv channel, and we remind you that one of the main yes, no, probably the most important event of today is a message from the main intelligence agency of ukraine, the ministry of defense of ukraine, that the largest exchange of prisoners took place in in this context, it was possible to free 144 ukrainian defenders. we remind you that even the defenders of azov were able to be freed. 95 e-e representatives of the mariupol garrison were among them 43 servicemen of the azov regiment, and it is clear that well, it is difficult to sort out the shelves somehow, to build some kind of hierarchy, who we expected more , who we expected less, there is no such thing in our country , we rejoice at every return, the return of a man, the return of a woman

. let's hope that they will not be blown due to the implementation or non- implementation of certain investment projects, thank you . with you mykolaiv, after the rocket attacks today , 10 guided missiles were sent to mykolaiv ukrainian cities with repeated missile attacks, who will stop russia? 5 million ukrainians lost their jobs because of the war. the war is dawning in us. the reduction is what the ukrainian offers.