make this ban for everyone, that is, we have today, as far as i know, there is a ban for us to choose myself and buckwheat, but buckwheat, okay, but why , it’s still empty, such a problem, it’s not one of me, that is, it’s the 21st year of my life i will leave it in the warehouse because there is a ban on selection itself. okay, i think mr. metro hears you in particular, and you can raise the question at the autumn committee and pass it on to the cabinet of ministers. if this is all a good idea , then one more of the blade remains literally very short. let's try . react that with the domestic market, and how much are the prices here? okay, how in particular? well, i don’t know, i don’t know how supermarkets are now from the position. there have been stories about the fact that supermarkets simply haven’t been paid for supplies for months. let’s quickly talk about what to do with that. again, from mr. roman and then mr. dmytro sums up, i’m asking quickly . yes, you and i raised this topic a month ago

, absolutely nothing has changed in the supermarket. how they didn’t pay, that is, how they were engaged, that’s what they do, that is, they have fashion, you carry goods, they pay not you don't pay. that is, if you grow, let's say , one culture of zucchini, and you have another culture, then you don't have a culture, then it is assumed that you will spend this money for a very long time, so the situation has not changed, the prices of some products have risen because the borscht set was grown here in the kherson region, therefore the prices he says, logistics has grown many times, that is, now, if i transport a watermelon from izmail to kiev, eh, if it used to cost 60-70 kopecks per ton, then now it will be two and a half hryvnias per ton, only logistics will do, that is why prices are rising, not because this is фермеры жируют and because there are specific reasons for that , this is what i'm saying in a nutshell, so that if it's a detective question, well, it's a difficult question, i

understand that it's a difficult question, because here there must be a balance between the purchasing power and the fact that it's not going to collapse, or else not to collapse that balance. actually, this is due to the purchasing power of the exchange rate, the price, the price, these new policies, but nevertheless, not paying is not an option either, and it is important to support it. it seems to me that it is a business because we can to study because all the same, if people now receive cheaper products, now this also helps them, they must understand that they receive it not for free , cheaper, and not even at the expense of the state, again, the state also takes a lot of money somewhere. they receive it at the expense of farmers, isn't it ? okay , farmers are good, the state is good, everyone is good, but if next year we don’t have farmers, well, in principle, this is this, this is this, that’s how they say, it’s just a people’s bag, eh, dmitriev, that’s how to find a balance here, and how, what, what to do from the supermarket a-a-a

by supermarkets but nothing is needed, the law was bought by a domestic colleague, unfortunately, it is still not acceptable to this day, it does not exist at all in ukraine, we have no trade, we have a population, unfortunately, the draft law, in principle, the majority is ready to agree now on associations interested in ukraine about so far it is not in the session waist, it is not on file cabinets, it is not overbalanced, but it specifically related to the idea of ​​the opponent , which one do you have in general? for sure one country in which it is not available, unfortunately, eh well, or just your position to understand, that is, after all, and simply, i understand that now we have a problem with the fact that market mechanisms do not work, when market mechanisms do not work, we can either

try to put some state uh state crutches a-a bonfires or prostheses don’t know and so on, or we are still just trying to understand where the wheels are not grafted, where it is smeared for some reason by corruption and not not working normally, that is, it seems to me that this direction has be solved, you know, road accidents, we control the remote control of one side very well, but ukrainians are very sad people than entrepreneurs and very smart people, and no matter how much state regulation happens, there will still be a landlady so that we don’t add it here, we need it i would like to emphasize that the law has a certain internal and agile approach and to taimovets, full of rules and structures, and not speculation, it prioritizes ukrainian transmission and not iot, although it is clear that according to the will of

all those who urge the union to prioritize ukrainian products at the legislative level what do we have to do with those waters that will be signed in 2015 ? these products have a weekend, if at different levels the competition or polish or ukrainian or some other institute is clear that the best thing is to demand such bodies and to have more ukrainian products, and to demand this means to buy more of it and not foreigner, this is very important, can you give me a vopros, so please see what they said correctly, the second one is a supermarket that pays, what about the hours, it’s just that they burned out there on the

14th day, i don’t pay, and there are supermarkets that pay they don't pay for 120 days, that is, it turns out that uh, they're sending us to the war, i don't know what the wallpaper was used for, uh, that 's why i think it's probably all the same, and the company is forced to work . well, you have 100 tons there, you will bring something here, and it remains that 50 tons, you went to a normal supermarket, he gave those who pay 100, 120 hryvnias, at least according to the contract for 21 days, so you have to, you don’t like it , and you take it out it's like, well, the product will be thrown away, you know, i, i, it's clear, i, i understand what you can answer this about. well, it seems to me that the situation should be more competition, there should be more competition and the market will decide. in other

words, new players should just come, relatively speaking, if some simply do not cope, but it seems to me that this is this this this sounds harsh but this but this has the right answer and the state only has to ensure that this competition works and that someone cannot stay afloat at the expense of other people , in fact, at the expense of farmers, eh, i am actually thank you very much for this conversation i think it was useful and the informative dmytro solomchuk and roman derzhuk, the agrarians and the people's deputy of the metro actually were in touch with us. well, we'll continue. now we'll talk a little more about economic topics, more such broad framework things. of course, we'll talk . with er investment banker serhiy fursa from ilya ilya naysovsky, the director of the institute of socio-economic transformation will also join us, we are currently recruiting them, there is something to talk about, in fact, er, a lot of things are happening, in particular, for example, the latest news

president zelenskyi signed a decree on the implementation of the decision of the national security and defense council for some time last year to create a register of oligarchs, a rather unexpected decision. just the day before, people close to zelenskyi said that this is not very relevant , are all these registers to create, on the other hand, we received one of the items surprise surprise from the european union that we have for candidacy to continue our own e develop this legislation regarding e counter- counter oligarchs the anti-oligarchic legislation itself, ah, this does not mean that the law adopted by the verkhovna rada is actually suitable, moreover, it is currently under ahh expert evaluation, it is in the venice commission, and i predict that it will be rather

devastating in our country, but, well, there will be many demands to revise some the position is here. well, one way or another , that is, the need to fight oligarchs is there and recognized by europe. gentlemen, have a good day. i congratulate you. actually, let’s talk about this register of oligarchs and start with it. why do you think that president zelensky signed this decree? and what will it mean, who do you think will get there recently? the former ukrainian minister of justice said that you know that only akhmetova kolomoisky so far falls under the definition of oligarchs, not his opinion, the competent opinion of course of the minister of justice. mr. serhiy, let's give you the ball in your court, well

, look why right now, i don't know. maybe it's just procedurally, it goes like that, or are there any pitfalls ? i'm on about the registry itself, like us. i don't like this idea from the very beginning because it involves personalizing the struggle with oligarchs , oligarchs - this is a system problem. and when we fight with personalities, it is more like some personal showdowns, political showdowns, etc. and so on. oligarchs are a problem for ukraine, and the fight against oligarchs - these are the reforms that he tells us in the european series are the rule of law and the fight against corruption, when the oligarchs cannot take advantage of the lack of justice in the villages or cannot influence political decisions, then they turn into big business, big business is normal, yes , they will always have certain lobbying opportunities. well but that's how it works. let's go to the channel. and you know, i would pay attention if you allow it. well, that's what , even if you take these two people, whom the minister of maluska named akhmetov and kolomoisky, that's it.

the fact is that it is not only that these people are, er, this is a personification, but it is also about the fact that these people are actually or can always be placed next to them, well, that is, we understand that akhmetov, despite his complex biography and the presence of various cases that are there somewhere there were also investigated and so on, but now he is a completely legal businessman. but if we are talking about e.p. kolomoisky, then he has a lot of huge problems and, for example, we all understand that he most likely well, there is literally no way to leave the country without so as not to end up under by arrest because the international search and well and whether this is also a question well, i have such a question well, okay, and what about well, for example, there pinchuk, he is not then why does he not fall under the oligarch if to firtashe and so on, that is, this moment was also important and here the hagia of zagreb said such a good thing. i think that, in addition to all that, it is also important whether a specific person whom we call

an oligarch is, conditionally speaking, whether we are on the road with him, conditionally speaking, whether he is interested, for example, in the fact that ukraine joined the european union because it very an important point eh how much do these people who are influential eh support the general movement of the country ot p idea you have a number well, first of all, i would like to say that a-a when receiving a candidate in the eu a-a anti- lettering legislation is a mandatory condition that is necessary implement in order to a-and then acquire full membership of the eu and this is the first point the second point er-e is the adoption of such a register er the direction is to fight the oligarchs in no case, as far as i'm concerned, it is er-e selective a he has absolutely, let's say so, manual definition of who are oligarchs and who are not oligarch and therefore he will not fully fight the oligarchs, but i understand that the president's office

wants to sell this idea as an effective fight against the oligarch, i.e. instead of changing accordingly or improving or changing the leadership of the relevant anti-corruption bodies and anti -corruption bodies of the anti-monopoly legislation to improve the work of the relevant state commissions and work in law enforcement agencies and so on and accordingly such a register is proposed and then it will be insisted on in addition to this, one more aspect should also be understood, in my opinion, that the adoption of this law, after all, was aimed not so much at fighting oligarchs as at fighting political opponents, that is, in other words, we understand that absolutely all forces have one way or another the relevant influence is if you support the current government in this case you don't get on this list not because you break the law or anything else you just don't get

on this list because it's so beneficial to us at the same time if you're one of the people who have certain formal ones signs and they, accordingly, finance a party that can create competition to the current government, then in this case you will be on this list. and this means that your activity will be very significantly limited, for example, in the same fiala, based on this law, he can get there. so, in this way i believe that this law is harmful, it is not a fight against the oligarchs, that is why they want it, a reasoned conclusion about this law and that this law is discriminatory and is not the kind of fight against the oligarchs, that is, in other words, you have to act in completely different directions, it is necessary to create mechanisms and procedures and not to determine subjectively who are and who are not

oligarchs in our country. i understand that, in principle, motor vehicle traffic, in particular, will be free of obstacles to goods, and there was also a conversation about the fact that customs duties have actually been abolished, and i know that i also have such a very liberal view that ukraine could take a mirror step here, which would be simple showed that we are very serious. well, because this is already a part, in fact, relatively speaking , of what awaits us in the european union without a customs area. here is what you think about it . and also what this visa-free will mean for us, for our economy, let's start with p. sergius again, p. sergius, yes, look, it's technically very good, it's a thing that already has somewhere to really speed up certain processes, it's just for ukrainians to move there, that's why this is a plus, a definite plus, and it may not have any significant we can find a macroeconomic effect, but the fact

that this is a plus is definitely related to mirroring well, i don't really understand what you mean here, in fact, if you say that let's cancel all customs duties, then we need to cancel a little of the state budget of ukraine at this stage, because without customs duties we definitely won't be able to finance anything plus this will be a very strong blow to the ukrainian manufacturer there is already a war on him and if we still let's cancel the volume with additional larger imports plus the pressure on the hryvnia exchange rate is now considerable the pressure on the hryvnia exchange rate will be minus 4 billion dollars every month. the national bank is forced to spend from reserves to cover this difference. actually, it is restrained partially. and 1 hryvnia provokes very significant inflation, uh, that's why i don't think that mirroring is

timely, of course, when we video do you know who will be the biggest opponent of ukraine's entry into the european union? we are so polish, we are so polish, in fact, all this western washing through the western border will have to be abolished , and the smugglers and customs officers who live there now. well , this will be a tragedy for them. well, you see what the problem is. it seems to me, of course, i could be wrong here, but before the war, how much budget income did we have at the expense of the customs fees 40% well, look, i 'm just talking about that i'm just talking about what in general for us as for the state for our own way of existence of our state the european union or the european union is on the one hand huge if well irynka's prospects are opening up, and on the other hand, we need to understand that we all lived a little as smugglers, they were just legal, we lived on those duties , but the philosophy of the customs office is, well, i'm not sure that

it consists in filling the budget at the expense of the movement of goods. well, i can explain the duties - is the equalization of price competition within the country for the purpose of stimulating, including domestic production, to create correspondingly equal conditions for other countries, in particular the european union. if we take the test, it is rural they largely date their agriculture, for example, they simply allocate billions of euros so that their farmers have the opportunity to produce competitive products. are these products coming to the ukrainian market , or is ukraine able to provide the same support for our agricultural producers? no, at the same time what we do is the appropriate simplified taxation system which gives certain advantages there is the normal fertility of the land which gives the corresponding advantages there are other such objective factors which give certain advantages

but all the same, our products remain non-competitive and in order to equalize this competition accordingly. this is how the customs duty is not so much a tool for filling the state budget as it is an equalization of the corresponding competition within the country, as well as equalization of the competition in trade from abroad, in other words, for example, our development now we are proud that our oil industry has developed and we were, because our desks are currently blocked, one of the largest producers and traders of sunflower oil in the world precisely for the account of such regulation, i.e. reducing the regulation to sunflower seeds - this led to the fact that, accordingly, oil in ukraine began to be produced profitably and we received at least primary processing, as a result of which we are now competitive, yes, in this regard, and that's why it's not a matter of filling the budget, emphasis i agree with serhii , but still, this is not a question of filling the budget, it is about

how many equal conditions under which our producers can compete, respectively, and there is no need to say that this is some kind of wrong pragmatism i'm sorry, if our company can't compete, it simply closes when it closes, people get fired when they get fired and can't find a job, they go abroad, that's why we have millions of ukrainian citizens not now, but before that they went abroad and worked here without having the opportunity to work inside the country, gentlemen, i absolutely agree with you, the only thing i wanted to say is that if we are preparing well, relatively speaking, just imagine the situation there tomorrow the war is over tomorrow literally and the day after tomorrow they literally told us, ok, you are already in the european union. well, it’s just a question of whether we understand that this market includes fierce competition, and in this competition, a lot of ukrainian enterprises will not be ready to withstand this competition, and this is also part of that, relatively speaking, rehabilitation it seems to me that the economy, that is, the kind of

free competition that we want, well, that is, look, we actually heard everything already in 13 of 18, when they talked about closing the eu market and the association agreement, there is ukrainian industry, no, ukrainian industry has reoriented after gaining access to the market, there are changes, the ball is in the mayor's shoes , someone has developed today and she will no longer be there at the same time tomorrow, the war is over the day after tomorrow, we have a 5-10 year path ahead of us, uh, still an optimistic scenario, this path involves significant reforms that will change the situation in ukraine to increase the investment attractiveness of ukraine itself introduction the european union means significant subsidies from the same ukrainian union to equalize the situation, that is, investments in ukrainian architecture, investments and, in principle, the ukrainian budget, which will significantly increase our ability to help in other ways with the entry of the european union, yes, there are certain risks, but it is also an opportunity and the path we are taking in order to enter. well, it will change the cardinal

situation, the more we have investments here, the more labor productivity we have here, the more opportunities we have here for competition so that later when we were removed and the entry of the european union will remove customs duties in us there only seaports will remain where the facts are yes there will be a customs office but then there will be a completely different economy of ukraine with completely different opportunities well, i'm finally talking about this so that people are not afraid to look at all the countries that joined the eu in the last 20 years, even one country began to live worse, absolutely all countries, that is, certain industries. they stopped this objectively due to competition, but there are industries that, on the contrary, specialization on the basis of which received a significant advantage and therefore people will not be left without work on the contrary. for example, i see very promising cooperation in the field of rocket engineering. we have a very promising area of ​​aircraft construction.

with a high added cost of referral. for example , if a-a ukrainian e-e on antonov there will be a fc operation with european aerobass. this is absolutely real and accordingly negotiations must be conducted and such cooperation will be achieved just right and we will manufacture, including at the expense of combining our technological efforts only for the better, so there is no need to be afraid, yes, once again, some industries cannot withstand competition. but we have many natural and, suffice it to say, advantages that we cannot take away to use well, actually, we actually started here with the conditions, again before the application and talked about the anti-oligarchic laws, about the registry who announced the creation of president zelenskyi, there is one more point. this is very important the fight against corruption, we do n't care one way or another. we come back to this all the time because

this is what we are accused of the most. the fight against corruption is written. we understand that corruption is a big problem, especially for the economy. it is not the inefficiency of the state as such. and in us very much a large share of the state's gdp well, yes, and by the way, we talked about it yesterday with oleg lutsenko , the economic adviser to president zelensky, who is influential there. as far as i understand completely, and i was pleased to hear from him that he understands that the state's share in gdp should be reduced. i was it is less pleasant that he thinks that it should be done after the last war, because we do not know how long it will continue. my own question is that there is a very, very simple sub-point in this point of combating corruption to appoint the head of the sap and a little shbekralu we score all the time, i think that it is also useful for the audience to remind us all the time what is there, what is the story there, i will remind you once again that it has already been determined, this person, this person, he

is, this is this, this is this man, he is the investigator , he is actually already actually elected, his surname is klymenko, and actually there is such a moment that they can talk about it, shabunin writes that they can somehow try to undermine the results of this competition, for example, there is already some kind of implementation that you have this infamous and odious the court opened the proceedings, and the proceedings are conducted by such a judge, ogurtsov, who is also a participant in the nabu and sap investigation, moreover, he is actually one of the investigators of this case on the same individual ogurtsov. in a word, i'm just wondering. does the government not see this? what's going on when it's finally possible to discuss how important this point is, let's still exchange opinions on this matter, i know what it is

it is important for you too, serhii, well, look, we understand that the authorities see this. you are no longer aware of the authorities, without their political will. it would not be important. this sabotage of the formation of the anti-corruption procedure is frank and where is the violation of the promises made to president baide and the leader of the now free world who the promise to the european union helps us a lot. and really, because of the conflict of interests that exist inside the president's office and it's a shame, in fact, it's hard to say something here, it's a shame around you and also in fact, it's a shame that the oask court is used first of all there, by the way, everything is clear from the point of view of corruption, but there is one more question, it's not a secret, that putin had a plan to bring yanukovych here on the third day after victory and legalize his status due to the decision of the supreme court and the decision was actually ready for this and this court

is working well. although he is not only a corruption center, but he is actually a treasonous center, putin was preparing to take over ukraine through him, including the legitimate ones. your actions are military, so how is it possible for you to imagine , but in ukraine it is possible, yes, and we see it, you know , the more frank of all this is the fourth table of the whole and, unfortunately, it shows that the path we talked about, the path to the european union, will be very difficult somehow a lot of corrupt people will say well, we defeated russia, we deserved it, what does the same event tell us about corruption, we have un corruption, you have merkel, she is also a cronyist and nothing else merkel lives in a 4-room apartment, and ukrainian corrupt people even some shallow tailors live in a coma, this will be told because yes, this is a problem, it is a huge problem now, and it will remain for a long time, and in fact, i do not have such a good answer to our question, this is a

huge problem without a solution that can be solved in the near future, well, actually, there are only two versions here, the first version is weakness from the state and it is very, very sad, very, very sad . specifically for this situation, i would like to say that over the years we have really built a sufficiently effective vertical of anti-corruption bodies that can work effectively, we do not need special reforms regarding the construction of new institutions, who will lead the youth about this - this is the enemy of the state, i will count it differently, but there is a question the appointment of competitive people, we are not only talking about sap, we are also talking about the head of nabu and nazk .

it is not like someone is leading it. i believe that this is just an attempt to destroy it, but i have a positive scenario. i perfectly imagine what will happen to this government if it continues to act after our victory in this way. excuse me, i think that most likely this district court will be completely destroyed, and these people will be the same as, let's say, a taxi was 14 years old, because it will be a berry, the people will not accept the existence of any form of corruption at all after the horror that we experienced, so i agree that we do not have total corruption that is trying to us, it is the kremlin's. agents use these narratives so that they do not provide us with help. this is a lie. we do not have total corruption, this is clear, but we do have corruption and we must fight it because it hinders us, and in order to fight accordingly, we need to appoint people who will do it, and the support of the people, i am convinced and it will be ensured, so far people are not

protesting, but believe me, i am 100% convinced of this. i remember the 14th year, it will not be anyone's forgiveness, ilya, not shkadovsky serhiy fursa, thank you for this conversation, thank you also to our viewers who watch it. well, i will pass the word on to our new ones, and anzhelika sezonenko will continue and endure . together with the invaders, and the enemy is actively prowling donetsk region, luhansk region, kharkiv region, mykolaiv region and