say we should be in nato, because in reality there is no alternative today. if no one says it, we can ask nato a lot of questions. some may have less, some may have more. i am absolutely aware that nato is, in principle, the states that help us in nato there are no weapons actually, as a father, as an organization, as manifestations of nato states - it is most likely a coordination alliance, a military alliance, but less so. we must understand that there is no alternative to nato as of today. not only ukrainian citizens should understand this, including the government should understand this all all deputies - those who make decisions today in ukraine should understand this, of course if we are talking about the statements of mr. zhovkva before that, a few days ago there was a statement that we were there in particular, we will say that we do not aspire to nato. yesterday the statement was a little different and was corrected. finally, we are already

talking about the fact that we are not deviating from this course. by the way, let's remember what happened there in march-april, when in fact the putinists were there on all possible platforms and during the negotiations, they promoted that they promoted the fact that ukraine, in principle , even excluded from the constitution this norm that we aspire to the north atlantic alliance, that is, this is also a very important thing, and today, finally, we are no longer talking about the fact that at least to exclude it from the constitution, that is, after all, the future of ukraine should be in nato . no matter how difficult it would be to move towards it, as far as possible, there was a certain non-acceptance. from certain states , let's also be objective that certain states nato did not really want to see the country there. but one way or another, let's talk even about the fact that we received the candidate status of the european union, and in the end we are talking about the fact that today even turkey agreed to membership in nato for finland and

sweden, that is, one way or another, you know if at the door to knock, if you hit this stone, it will definitely, definitely, break up and they will definitely reveal to us how many years you have been gone. as for some specific signals, well, let's talk about the fact that they didn't mention us at all either it is worth mentioning, they said that our delegation is present there, ukraine is one way or another the priority right now, the support from nato means that it helps us and is a weapon, they help us - they help us in principle in coordination, they help us in any way, political information, this is absolutely necessary to say and not it is necessary to blame nato for the fact that they are not doing anything, i want to emphasize once again that nato is not an organization in which a huge pile of weapons lies somewhere. nato is different states that have weapons, that can supply these weapons, that can to coordinate this activity with each other, so let 's not forget that within the framework of the law of this

alliance, so within the framework of international law, nato is, after all, such a semi-regional organization where certain international legal norms also apply, and this should also not be forgotten. but one way or another , let's also talk about the fact that ukraine must definitely demand, must talk about it, and must today set itself the task of also applying for membership in nato, receiving perhaps a pdch, but in the end, as of today, on my again, my personal opinion, ukraine in principle already meets nato standards, and how the ukrainian army is fighting today, how are the ukrainian defenders showing themselves today, and how today, after all, we are using the same nato weapons ? to speak on bilateral relations and on international

platforms about the fact that we want to join nato we want to be there and not be there in 10-20 years, but to be there soon and believe me organizational component about a certain legal component , it is much easier for us from that point of view to join nato than the european union, because joining the european union means fulfilling a large number of requirements, it means unifying a large body of ukrainian legislation, it means fulfilling various anti-corruption challenges, e.e. the judicial system to the end to reform it is about freedom of speech nato is a little bit about the other nato - it is about security a lot of it is about the military-political alliance and in principle this military component political component we already practically fulfilled that. let's be objective in talking about the fact that today, in principle,

if we were to demand, if all the political circumstances were like this today, then we are in principle ready for nato to join, and i hope that sooner or later nato will also be ready to accept ukraine and will take all steps in order to ultimately secure the security of europe in the future. excuse the tautology, because without ukraine in nato, there will be no security in europe here unequivocally without us securing ourselves under the umbrella of nato, and russia is muscovy the occupiers can come tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, that is, i mean, in the future, we must include the fact that there may be certain stages of the war against ukraine, therefore, only nato, only collective security, and this must be achieved, and this must be set before ourselves as a goal for our state and for our society, the last thing

i will say is that today ukrainian society is ready for three quarters of our citizens, 76%. this is one of the maximum indicators that we are ready to join nato. we want to see ukraine over well, as always, i repeat what i said earlier with mr. rostislav, that we should always ask ourselves whether we are, for example, theoretically ready to die for a frenchman, and ask the question now in a mirror image, whether a frenchman should be ready to die for a ukrainian, as he is theoretically ready to die, for example, for litos or a pole, the question is that we are very similar in some ways, for example, with our poles, with our friends , with our neighbors. we still need to get rid of this, this, i'm talking about that, it's much faster, but it's also a very big challenge, the

homework for ukrainians, so what can we do, this is, that this military union also has this political affinity, this is definitely , definitely, what is politically i the military-political union is emphasized once again, that is, if we are ready militarily, we are ready politically, you must also be ready, it is definitely necessary to talk about it here . the political will of the nato member states and the political will of ukraine. these two components, the political will of ukraine is possible to a certain extent. this is a slightly easier question. turkey or someone else can block this decision and everything accordingly. we just stop, as they say, but one way or another, if we

talk there about whether we are ready or whether we are ready to help other states or whether we are ready in case of something to fight for other states is a rhetorical question , in fact, a rhetorical question, but i emphasize again, i am very skeptical at the moment that, for example, a conditional er muscovy can generally attack any state of the north atlantic alliance, but now very often , including me on on the air, we often talk about a possible corridor, so to the kaliningrad region to the former königsberg . well, i can't imagine how after those big failures, as planned by muscovy in ukraine, they can fight with nato, we understand very well that

as of today, when in fact the world has finally begun to wake up, with the exception of some countries, of course, when it comes to europe today including the redeployment of tens of thousands of e-e units and weapons and manpower of e-e nato states, in particular the united states of america, as muscovy is going to fight, so if ukraine is in nato and that conditionally there, let's assume some other state, then i think that collective security one way or another well, 95 percent will be ensured even since the creation of nato, no one has attacked nato states. let's talk even from this point of view. imperialist ideas, any

opinions are certainly not worth it. everything can be, but in any case, as a state, we must do everything possible to ensure our security, and today this security, if we are talking about an already established structure in an international legal structure, then it is the north atlantic alliance, nato, if we are talking about certain security guarantees that were talked about in april, that were talked about in may, that the ukrainian side is talking about, well, the question is that so far we do not have any stable understanding of what these security guarantees are, of course the state is putting these issues on the agenda, but no state has yet given us a 100% answer as to how those security guarantees will be implemented, of course. the united states of america, on the part of great britain, on the part of a number of other key players, of course these

guarantees can be a transitional stage to nato, but still not replace the north atlantic alliance . in fact, it ceases to exist, therefore, for nato, it is a matter of principle. thank you very much andriy smolii, political expert, jurisprudence, internationalist, was with us. thank you, andrii, thank you for the wonderful day . people's deputies oleg dunda and people 's deputy rostislav pavlenko a-a greetings, gentlemen . good morning. i would like to ask if there is information that can reduce the number of ministries from 20 to 12. let

's try to discuss it. in particular, i already see that there is one of the proposals, for example, to combine education , culture, family, prayer, sports into one ministry . well, how much is it? for example, it is justified whereas, for example, we still don't have a ministry. what kind of ministry is there? well, here's an interesting point: we have a ministry of economy, and it used to be called economic development. there, in my opinion, the story ended with development. and there is no ministry of trade, for example, for the most part, for example, uh, well, there in the countries of the european union , on the contrary, there is a ministry of trade, there is no ministry of economy. well, it's also simple information for thought . the unification of these three ministries, education, culture, youth, sports, everything is the same. i have a word for you. good day. look again, we still have

clear information about what i am. the sound of these points will depend on the personnel. you need to look at this if there are 12 ministries or 15 or 17 or 20 , the ability of this staff resource to perform this task well, let it be 12, but if he is capable of 20 , let it be from 20, it does not matter, it is necessary to solve the issue of the effectiveness of the tasks. and who gives this task? we give including two pavlenko gives i give as perry comments we have the right to legislate to embroider individual demands and demand fulfillment and well i just already have people who choose and choose with appropriate theses with appropriate programs including the servant of the people to be elected with the corresponding program, which we are trying to fully implement. that is, it is not a question, for example

, of powers, it is a question, well, you just did n’t have it here. well, for me, for example, it is, well, the efficiency of the ministry. this includes and to what extent it has sufficient authority to implement those tasks that were, respectively, in the program of the government, people still go to the government with some government program , usually in the parliamentary democracy, see the government in any form, the government, regardless of how many there are actions by the ministry in accordance with the constitution. the constitution is clearly about prescribed powers of the government of the cabinet of ministers, regardless of how many there are in the ministry and they act in accordance with the constitution, they cannot lower the amount of these funds, ask the question of the video on personnel of potential/h, there will be 12 ministries, 20 powers, the cabin will not change the return, ok, mr. rostislav, i will give you a word, well , first of all, really, when the correct one says, we are only dealing with certain preliminary

information so far. the number of ministries is only a derivative, and even on the first order of what it is done for, because it is a reduction by itself, it should be part of the whole program of the revival of ukraine. as far as i understand, the government should present this program in the near future in fact, there will be a discussion, because we have to understand why this is being done, what kind of functionality will this or that ministry have, which means who will be responsible for what, we also have experience, remember when in the 19th year they also united the ministry later separated the ministry, it is necessary to pay attention to the lessons of these specific cases and see what worked and what did not. well, of course, there is a question of common sense, but you are talking about the unification of the ministry of education, the ministry

of culture, and there he is a young sportsman, well, that's it a dubious phenomenon that you yourself hear the logic of those who propose it, and then it will be possible to draw conclusions , because so far we are really only dealing with such preliminary things that, well, it is quite possible that they are now exposed there for public discussion. yes, where is the expert discussion, but let's see what it is for it is done under what functions and then we will discuss and then you really won't be able to get out of the parliament, because it is precisely under the constitution that it approves the structure of the government well, as you can see, we have absolutely clear statements from putin to the director of russian arbitration, that this is a war about culture, this is a war about culture, and if we want to combine culture with sports, with all due respect to the fan site , well, you know, this is this, this is also what the church would say , what are we fighting for? it's not us, it's not about culture, it's war, it's more about education , perception, it's er, the realization of views on the

development of civilization, there is a western view to which ukraine belongs, and there are more asians, more so, hmm, the imperial fascist ideology of the russian federation, and this week it is already being used, well culture and sports and politics and the armed forces of the economy, that is, culture in the assistant is only a part of it, gentlemen, on the one hand , i agree with you, on the other hand, i want to say that culture is a very broad concept, and actually there is so much work in culture, so much work, that's actually it postponed such works are not completed to a certain extent from documents yes yes tasks of culture and that is why it seems to me that it is small eh i am this this is an interesting thought eh anyway let

's ask you about something else then let's not go in now darwin's theory of evolution we can go back to the issue of lithuania on the fifth article of nato there is a very interesting discussion. i'm sorry, i didn't hear well about the fifth article of nato, the agreement on nato and the baltic countries. yes, please, if you have a comment, i'll give it. i don't agree with us. if we admit that it is true that we have, in fact, a struggle between two civilizations and nato is in fact and is really the foundation of modern world construction, without this foundation the world will be completely different and the russian federation is one of their metals - destroy it this foundation and we must understand that it is a matter of time when russia will strike above in order to

show that the fifth article of nato does not work, accordingly, there is no sense in the existence of nato, respectively, all other states that are either a guy there is little desire to join nato or small states or there are already too many must solve for themselves the big question and why is there a presence in this way the world balance will be questioned accordingly it is a matter of time when the russian federation gifts to the countries of politics in order to raise the question and is it worth kauna chitalin of the third world war with nuclear weapons, is it not worth it, let us remind you the same question was asked years before the centenary of the tanks of the second world war, it was revealed that then world leaders and states are the ones that should not be checked. therefore, it is necessary to prepare for an attack on an urgent such broken news information is that russia

after another bombardment there was already destroyed some fourth pantsyr or what if there was any left but now there is information so far we are checking that they decided to leave the island of zmiiny island and so far they say that this is a gesture of goodwill, listen normally, but don't stop on the island of change, retreat further, it's ours, it's ok. and the only thing i 'd like to add before passing on some glory, glory, i'll react, you know, if it's possible, let's talk about it in such a worldly way. for example, i don't support this thesis that this is a war, er, a clash of two civilizations, because it is, well, let's just er, continuing the lithuanian theme, ginteras grialska - this is, er, a modern lithuanian writer who has been translated into many languages, said that this is not a war civilization is a war against civilization. it seems to me that there is a lot of reason in this and this should be kept in mind when we talk about why we should

choose nato because it is about the choice of civilization and not civilization, even mr. rostyslav, who is fighting against silization for sure another civilization. that is why this clash of civilizations has always been fought by barbarians in history. we now have examples of separate civilizations, see, see . civilization, first of all, involves certain values ​​that can be formulated and around which you can unite, and russian measures have never been formulated. this is what he rather formulates, or he is not, he opposes the liberal values ​​of the institution there , but uh, he didn’t offer anything that could attract him and around which you could unite, well, except for the imperial greatness of russia. but that’s the way it is so far, it unites only those nations that remained in the russian federation, but this is a really long worldview for discussion, if translated to those things with which we directly deal,

well, even if the federation plans to attack the baltic countries. by the way, i would not rule it out either, but we we hear very clear statements from the united states and other leading countries of nato that there will be a reaction and the reaction will be full-fledged, that is, the answer to whether our third world is worth it is actually dana and we see that after all those various statements and such gestures that allegedly russia is preparing to somehow respond to lithuania for what they call the blockade of the kaliningrad region. we have not seen and are unlikely to see any concrete actions in the near future after nato in its strategy has recognized that russia is actually a threat except you know, there are such strategic generalists. and there are quite specific points regarding the deployment of troops, regarding the doubling and the rapid response component,

the continuation of the supply of equipment to e-e to eastern europe, which in our turn will help strengthen the position of ukraine, that is, precisely with nato, it is preparing for what it can uh, what kind of blow is coming, can russia inflict it? well, that's in conclusion. but because many questions have been touched on, i tried briefly. well, the question is, what should we do, what security guarantees do we get? well, one way or another, all security guarantees are reduced such before this fifth article of nato, because as we have seen, any aid in one way or another comes down to military aid and, being a member of nato, the country is sure that those stronger partners of any any other guarantees well, they do not significantly change the situation of ukraine and we are now being helped with military equipment, they are helping you economically as well, but it is clear that this is never enough and all the time we are

asking the question that we need more, more and more. if ukraine were a member, it would be completely different. i think that the goal of joining the atlantic alliance should be on the agenda, ukraine should raise this issue and move towards joining us , gentlemen, we still have such a small gap. the second west in this military is turkey, which in fact, let's imagine the scenario of the russian federation, the russian empire entered the countries of basu, er, purely theoretically , according to article 5 of the nato agreement, turkey must protect the countries of the countries, accordingly, it must close all the gaps and hit the southern coast of the russian federation. i understand correctly, but i want to see how it will happen. it is not a very strong

growth, but most likely it may not do it. just the question of the effectiveness of the agreement about us , the answer will be very quick, if possible, because there is this is my answer, the moment of an attack on any member of nato, all these consensus procedures are forgotten, all these long discussions come into effect in the military, and there are already worked out standard procedures, and the part that will be assigned to turkey, turkey must perform and besides, other nato member countries are now deploying troops or educational europe in order to be able to provide a quick military response to that well, such persuasive things really take place until the guns start talking, after that everything is very quickly and clearly said there local representatives decide on the attack of turkey from the south on the countries on the republics along the borders of the russian federation in the south of the caucasus , er, er, rostovana donu exactly two there, and not príbal, it is not

clear what eh, turkey is unlikely to send troops to the countries will hit the cock of the russian federation. it will benefit us, but i find it very difficult to believe that . well, actually, i very much doubt that we will check it in reality, because i really do not believe that russia will dare to do something like this steps , understanding just that it won’t take long well, that’s also a big question, and in fact , we have literally 3 minutes left in the spanish language. i don’t know, i wanted to talk about this idea with the register of oligarchs, to which president zelensky returned quite suddenly, like me. well maybe let's try to comment on it for at least a minute, oleg. maybe you know more about why, because you said that it's not necessary anymore, and malyuvska said that it has already lost its relevance, and here i didn't say such a thing. there is a

law against shellfish, it must be carried out according to the law, this should be uh-uh, the issue seems to have been resolved in may, in accordance with the law, the us security council conducted the appropriate procedure, and when at its meeting, the decision regarding the creation of this register in accordance with the constitution , the president issued a decree on the implementation of the register of polyarchs in the legislative regiment of ukraine. connecting state, and all this would be no less effective implementation of the anti-oligarchic concept, mr. yaroslav, the structure could be good and would solve many issues regarding oligarchization and if e is the essence of this, then we still have to get the conclusion of the venice commission regarding the extent to which

the anti-geographical law complies with european law, then it will really be worth making changes to this law and putting it into effect, we have seen that this is exactly what the european commission of the european council, so we are waiting for the conclusions of the national commission and, accordingly, we will have to work with this law. rostyslava, oleg . thank you very much for the conversation. in fact, the time is also on the air, in fact, it has already been used up , andriy savchuk, i worked with you for 5 hours today, i don’t regret it, i’m more likely to brag, ah, and yes, now we’ll switch to the news, and from the very beginning, we won’t come to the news, eh actually, then i'm just saying goodbye, now the listener will tell me what i'm doing. i'm saying goodbye, i'm saying goodbye, i 'll actually have two days off. dear colleagues, but

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