glory to ukraine is a verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. today is the 127th day of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people against the russian invaders. they say we left because we wanted to, so the day before the largest exchange of prisoners took place 144 ukrainian defenders returned home 95 of them are the defenders of azov, meanwhile they stayed in madrid the nato summit continues and the north atlantic alliance has decided to accept sweden and finland into the alliance, and russia has recognized russia as the number one enemy, but the russians are not backing down, they continue to attack ukrainian positions in the east and south

of ukraine, they continue to shell the border regions of sumy on the outskirts of kharkiv and launch airstrikes on lysychansk at the same time the occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 35,600 people in ukraine 1,573 tanks 3,726 armored fighting vehicles 790 of artillery systems 246 rocket salvo systems 104 anti-air defense means 217 aircraft 185 helicopters 2602 units of automotive equipment 14 ships of boats 143 cruise missiles 641 drones 61 units of special equipment about the world that is starting to fight putin ukraine's prospects in nato about

snake island and also about do the leaders of the g20 want to see putin on the big stage? those in indonesia are talking today with the diplomat and expert of the center for defense strategies, oleksandr khara. oleksandr. good day. glory to ukraine. it's nice to see you on our air, let's start today's news, the island of change, the ukrainian military reported that they pushed out the russians from snake island, the russians say that this is a gesture of goodwill, they say they left with the change because they are following the recommendations of the un regarding the unblocking of the path for the transportation of ukrainian grain to the world well, we know what the island of change is, the history of how it was this part from the first e-e part of the great country of romania in 1948, he this island was handed over

to the soviet union, to the soviet union. well, it was very important for the russians to place an anti-aircraft defense system on the island, and it was also a very important strategic point for the russian invaders in order to control the southwestern borders of ukraine and the southwestern part of ukraine. how do you what do you think is more in the russian in the russian retreat a gesture of goodwill or, after all, the weapons that the ukrainian military began to receive and which began to simply destroy and burn this island from of the russian occupiers well, you know, i'm sorry that they left and got out of there, because it was such a black sea chornobayivka, because it is clear that this

rock is what it is. -e naval forces and actually i, well here we will know only after the war, because uh, i am not talking about manpower. but the most important thing is the equipment. it was already given to simply have him under control, especially after we informed him, we sent their cruiser moscow in the direction, because if they placed, and they placed a large number of ppu systems there, then they could actually control the part that you correctly said, eh, of these lines sea ​​communications from our black sea ports to the actual bosphorus and dardanelles, the most important thing is actually to become such a part of the necessary means in order to carry

out a landing operation on our black sea coast. i also want to remind you that not only the island zmeiny was important, but the so-called boyka towers were also attacked by our armed forces, since there from the very beginning in the 14th year they not only stole ukrainian gas up to 3 billion cubic meters every year, but also immediately deployed the russian special forces and the means of radio- electronic surveillance of the situation by air and surface submarine definitely what is it? well, we don't like it very much because it limits the capabilities of our naval forces, so it's definitely a big important event that happened a big important event happened when we received harpoons, and it was visible from the distance that the ships of the black sea fleet of the russian federation moved, because they were definitely afraid to come closer, of course, this is a

positive thing, but to hope for the good will of the katsaps. well, i think it's just useless. mocking common sense, and they showed good will in the same way when i received it, i don't really want it, near kiev, sums and chernivtsi gathered from the ukrainian land definitely. they get it in the teeth and actually here they got it. this is absolutely n- is a clear thing, but it definitely does not open up opportunities for our export of grain . it will remain until the key security issues for us are resolved. to mine the approaches to our black sea cities and ports, first of all. that is why it is completely impossible to believe in russia's weekend. you know this famine. i am saying that it is symbolic that up to 10 million

ukrainians starved genocide the famine of 32-33 years and in 22-20 23-years, the needle will definitely increase, er, it will be in putin's year for very simple reasons, if he unblocks, he will simply be thanked and that's all. and if he doesn't unblocks, this means destabilization in the countries of the middle east, north africa. well, for example, for the same france, egypt and algeria are extremely important, and they are definitely vulnerable to famine, and regimes there will be destabilized, the growth of terrorism is possible, conflicts are possible, and a wave is definitely possible there are much more refugees from syria than after the 15th year, and we remember all this as destabilizing the political, economic and social situation in europe. that is, it is definitely a positive gain for mr. putin, i am not talking about what is unfortunately for the countries of

africa and the middle east russian narratives are very often supported that the western ones in relation to russia are the cause of the food shortage and famine that is constantly looming over their countries. unfortunately, we are losing this information battle, and not only in africa, but in the same india and that's why, actually, i think we won't be able to open our ports until this war is over. yes, mr. alexander, actually putin is using the situation to start another hybrid informational informational and arrange a real famine and then blackmail the whole world for that the world should give in and remove sanctions from it, the world understands this. over the past few days, we have seen two large gatherings - this is the meeting of the big seven and the nato summit in madrid, and the final press conference should take place here

secretary general of nato and if this happens, we will definitely include it in our broadcast, and yet literally in a week, the world and its attitude towards putin changed, and i am wrong. well, you know how the world as a whole or even the g7 or nato did not unite because there are different interests. for example, lithuania introduced restrictions on sanctioned goods that are supplied to königsberg with russian territory. and what we see now is that germany actually wants to soften this regime in order to annoy putin and actually allow support for this russian enclave in the baltic sea to support it. that is, it shows a certain very strange position of germany. what is it? well, if, for example, we are talking about a strategic concept, i think we

can talk about it in detail. this is an interesting document, for example . the role of russia is very clear and correct, no matter how the ukrainians wrote it. but in china , french and german influence was visible in order not to call even such a strategic competitor, not to say that it is a threat or the enemy or in some other way, in fact, the french and germans made the same mistake that they do in relation to russia at one time. they considered it a partner until february 24, 22, in fact, they tried to somehow talk about how we are changing with the russians. unfortunately, now they are actually the same the same approach is being introduced to china, so i wouldn't say that i am the only one with such a holistic perception. and there are countries that understand what modern russia is, it's the baltics, it's poland , unconditionally . own

to change the finlalization a little, yes, and to use this window of opportunities that ukraine has opened for them by and large. and for you to join nato . by the way, this is an extremely important point, and it will be very interesting. first, we remember that the same lavrov proposed finlization of ukraine, but if he had this finlalization, then we have to agree , they have everything in mind, the power of the armed forces, a ready and flexible society that can not resist russian aggression, of course, they are preparing first of all for the organization, and then it is readiness and political, economic, defense-industrial and certainly the armed forces of finland to be a member of nato . that is, they actually need to change the chevrons and they will already be fully compatible signs and this is our way. it seems to me that the most important thing is that the president of finland explained why he believed and made the decision that this means joining nato that

he understands and thinks that russia is going to attack finland. no, he said that the option of hnat membership was always open to us from the very beginning, one of these strategic calculations, and when russia said that it wants to have the right of veto on the expansion of nato, then this actually destroyed the calculations of how finland ensures its security, and therefore they simply saw in this a potential threat, an unrealistic threat of an attack by russia, because you know that finland is a small country, but it is the most powerful in terms of artillery in europe the power of 55 f-16 which are there and in the near future they will buy 64 will be f-35 these are modern stealth aircraft in fact multi-purpose it is a great power i am not talking about the ability of 14,000 armed forces there to 250 they seem to be reservists and the ability of

society to withstand the first few days in order for the state to deploy the protection system and other other things. that is, this is the path that ukraine should follow by and large until we are ready to become a member of the coin and until, above all , france and germany change their position and they will understand that security in europe is. do you know this concept that was formulated by the americans during the cold war? moldova and georgia will not become members of nato, and the european union, until this realization of the old europe occurs, then we will have these swings and this soft, softened tone of possession to preserve bridges with russia or call putin for 100 hours to talk, even if you

have a negative result, but regarding nato, you have already mentioned the strategic concept that was adopted for the next 10 years. before this strategic concept that was adopted yesterday, russia was defined as a strategic partner of the atlantic alliance. now the russians are the biggest threat to nato - it is clearly stated in this strategic concept what it means for us, for ukraine and for the russians, you understood what it means for nato because it is clearly recorded in the document well, you know this holiday in mandrida was definitely a holiday first of all e-e finland and sweden and also the baltic states because the united states, well, in fact, as the largest country, which is by and large nato, and everything else - this is a plus, and they promised not only conceptually , but from the point of view of the forces and means that the united states the states are going to add to those already

located on the territory of europe, and a very important positive point is that the permanent presence of the american contingent in poland will be increased. and then the russia nato council was created, which, by the way, had more, let’s say, a range of cooperation tools than the corresponding council, which is more precisely the ukraine commission on the e-e, that is, in principle, the russians those wishing to become members had more of a small attack on this fundamental act, which, however, nato is not yet going to suspend certain provisions of its operation or cancel it altogether, although by and large it is clear that it no longer works. the second important moment happened, uh, literally the day before that. there was an article in altayms finance

where the prime minister of estonia expressed, let's say, her concern that the existing military plans in case of an invasion of russia, and they do not suit them because estonia will not be left in 180 days as provided for with these plans, i want to remind you that in 2016, the ren corporechs made such a simulation of the situation, and they actually gave 48 hours for the capitals of lithuania and estonia to be captured by the armed forces of the russian federation. should have liberated these territories well, looking at what the katsaps are doing in our territory, with what atrocities and what level of destruction, it is definitely a small story, it simply did not last, it disappeared without it, so it is very good that now the estonians are satisfied with the fact that these plans

military, they are revised and that the concept is somewhat different, not this so-called barbed wire, which is supposed to deter russia, but the real and powerful presence of other more powerful nato member countries on the territory of the baltic states, they are a guarantee that from the very beginning there will be resistance, not only symbolic, let's say yes, the flag is there, but the real resistance is an extremely important moment, well, definitely the strengthening of the black sea, it is primarily romania, there, on a rotational basis, they are going to increase the number of troops, that is, by two destroyers uh, the presence is up to six in italy, they are important both for the mediterranean sea and actually for our black sea, you know that even when the cruiser moscow was still floating on the surface of the black sea, uh, one american destroyer was able to destroy not only

the naval cruiser, in fact, all the weapons are modern, there are no analogues, as the russians say on the crimean peninsula, six destroyers are here. this is a quite powerful answer. the number of air defense systems and other modern electronic systems in italy and germany, that is, all this shows that not only on paper and open paper that we can read, but also in military plans and later in the forces and means that are placed on the territory of nato member countries, especially over the eastern a radical change has taken place in the flanks and they are a positive intermediary for us nato has chosen a cautious approach from the very beginning and it does not help us with air weapons it does not want to be so that in russia it is perceived as part of this conflict well and then they scaled, but they provide other types of

assistance, such as non-lethal communication, against drones, weapons there and others. well, unconditional help in reforming our armed forces, bringing them up to nato standards, and so on. actually, this announced extended package is all a side package of assistance. important. but the most important thing is that we receive it not within the framework of nato, but from the members of nato, that is, according to the ramstein process, or on a bilateral basis. providing us with serious assistance although, on the other hand , and again, the speech of the president of ukraine was quite clear and uh, i would say such well, he was animated, on the other hand, he was very correct that we should not calm down and plan aid to ukraine for years to come. very well, russia will not go anywhere, but the most important thing for us right now is to give them the opportunity to gain a foothold in the occupied

territories, and that is why the constant flow of his increase in the weapons of ukraine is the key, and he made such a call. it is very nice that the secretary general said that ukraine will be supported as much as it is necessary and it is meant in time. by the way, during the meeting of the seven, others said the same thing about it, as if the leaders of this group, above all, definitely the british, how long will this conflict be, and these countries are ready to invest to the safety of ukraine, the protection of ukraine, well, understanding that this is their own safety. by the way, oleksandr, when we talk about the summit in madrid, i remember how in april or march in kyiv, they very often repeated that we should articulate our position, we have to present our position in a certain way. volodymyr zelenskyy spoke online at the nato summit, and yet, did ukraine need to take more confident steps and

talk about the fact that we want to receive a peace treaty from nato, that we are ready to be nato members, or whatever ? after all, the absence of this clearly articulated position, well at least i didn’t hear it, means that kyiv is still ready for this finnishization that you mention and the gradual transition to nato, well, by the way of finland, the truth is that finland has been going for this for almost 80 years years a-a well, i think our path should be much shorter. well, you will understand me correctly. i am not saying the first finnishization. yes, when there was the very limitation of the foreign security policy and the internal policy of finland for a long time and still scandals surface because there are documents that show that even the prime minister was in fact a person who carried out the will of the kremlin and not his own people and

despite the fact that finland has always been a democratic country, i mean the finnish final 2:0 when finland is ready to open it was a window of opportunity and she immediately became a member. well , not yet, because the parliaments have to vote unconditionally, but in fact, in fact, it happened. that's why it's so unconditional. i would like there to be a clear, uh, clear signal about the fact that ukraine does not abandon its uh goals to become a member of nato, this sounded because it was more diplomatic and beautiful, and i thought that ukraine should find this place in the security space, ah, but on the other hand, well, to decorate the country. it seems to me that now it makes no sense for the simple reason that no one will surely demand from finland sweden of this document, since it is actually such a formal technical document that is actually there. well, the checklist is like this, and

if it turns out that the pdc is not needed to become a member of natalka, how will we see how this fact will happen someday, then why do we need it ? ask him why i am talking about this because, for example, the same france and germany were considering a joint venture. well, if the americans and eastern europeans pressed them, they considered it as such a possible option. of the process well, again, in order not to annoy putin and therefore, well, he would not be instrumental, this is what you and i have going on, who want ukraine to become a member of the minato, and we criticized the previous president there at one time for some steps that were not quite in the direction is it possible to criticize nato? and that's why it would be nice if the check was once like this and we said yes, we fulfilled 80-90% of it there. so let's think about how ukraine is responding and go this way, and therefore for internal use it is for sure

it would be good, but for external purposes, for efficiency, in order for us to withdraw from nato. it seems to me that this document, well, it is simply not needed, but actually the case with finland, sweden , it shows that, uh, we know that these applications submitted by finland and sweden still has to undergo ratification in the 30 parliaments of countries that are part of nato, we know that turkey also had certain issues with finland and sweden until the last, on the eve of the madrid summit, they said that these problems do not exist, or can some countries that join nato to make some other decision, taking into account the influence of the russian federation on western europe, well, you know, it is difficult for me to say for sure , some small percentage remains because, well, of

course, there are influences, and we are only monetary influences, but also useful idiots, they did not go anywhere, but on the other hand, let's look at what europe received, well, in the nato member countries, from the point of view of these two countries, first of all, if we look from the north, it is the protection of the interests of the russians, they are simply dreaming about this northern sea they want to control it by militarizing the arctic, and this is a problem for a large number of northern european countries, canada and the united states, and that is why strengthening nato is extremely important, so it is the polish peninsula , near murmansk, where the baltic fleet has a base. i apologize to the northern fleet, where the most important nuclear the fist of the russian federation

is located. that is, this is an important point, the second point is the actual security of the baltic sea, it actually becomes a nato lake, and much more it will be more difficult for russia to provoke or do some things in relation to the baltic states , since such a land bridge has appeared to support estonia and lithuania in the event of a conflict. it is certain that the russians will feel more restrained. the vision of one's enclave in e-e means assemblies. now we see the limitation of the possibility of maintaining this enclave due to this railway connection, but i want to remind you that in fact the european union closed the airspace exclusively because of this the baltic sea can be flown by russian and civilian planes up to this eclaw. that is, this is also

an important point in reducing the probability of a conflict with the baltic states by the russian federation, and this is the contribution of finland in finland, which is extremely powerful in the military sense. i have already said about 64 in 35, which they are planning to buy, but even now they are powerful further if we look from the point of view of turkey and i really did not like that yordagan was guilty of this variety from izba e public e and in fact , you know, he behaved in a very oriental way it should have been done through a more specified door and by the way, you can even say that there are some psychotypes from different northern countries who are extremely restrained. yes, she is such a southern guy, jugit, who actually is a bit uh-uh, well, i understand his interests, but in principle he could have achieved it in another way so here is a very important thing: germany not only got the opportunity

, let's say, to buy weapons from finland. because they also planned to buy a certain number of f16s , and i also hope that they will return to the contract for the purchase of f-35 planes and in this way this improvement or the approach of ankara to washington will actually take place. from the fact that these were misunderstandings and, let's say, incomprehensible, claims against each other, despite the fact that during trump's tenure, herbert mcmaster tried to somehow reconcile these relations, because everyone will understand the strategic importance turkey, actually, i am very impressed that it will most likely get better with the americans. this dialogue

is extremely positive and then let's say that when turkey signs up to the strategic concept where russia is defined as a threat to the transatlantic space, this somewhat limits, let's say, the degree to which it can surrender turkey in cooperation with the russian federation. i am not saying that it will refuse economic cooperation there or will behave differently in the black sea, but it will mean more dependence on the rest of nato members. i think that there they also discussed the issue of syria. i mean, when this affects the overall package, it is certainly necessary to support the west in this issue, because it is an impudent and safe question. if the kurds are an internal issue, yes, yes, then syria is such a problem, where there are not only the masses, yes. and you you know very well that at the very beginning the turks did not like him very much. well, i mean, after the beginning of the civil war, they

did not support him, on the contrary, and then there is the presence of the russians, which annoys the turks. well, of course, the iranian and all these proxy groups that they are already annoying israel, with whom turkey would definitely like to have better relations, therefore, in principle, the entry of these countries into nato and the establishment, well, let's say so, or you can say the improvement of relations with turkey, this is a general plus for everyone. thank you, mr. oleksandr, i will remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live , please like this video so that it is trending on youtube and facebook. also