it is russia, and it would also be very good, in fact, that for this we have expanded the range of ammunition issued by our international partners, for example, for the same rocket launcher systems, because only the m31 is not enough. and it would be very good to also receive gms to significantly increase the effectiveness of our strikes on a to enemy objects, if you talk about a political decision, you know, i have the impression that a political decision is hampered by the fact that there is a myth that if you attack the russians on their territory, then they are all as one now there are mobilizing and will stand up for the defense of the motherland, but you know, recent events have personally shown me that this is just a myth, because, in fact, even rumors that they may shell the belgorod region there and kur region caused panic in these regions,

not mobilization, but cries about the fact that you can't protect us, what do you do, where is our air defense, no one there ran to the military commissar, in fact, the same story happened with donetsk, when the russians began shelling donetsk, the very center of the city in nadia, what is mobilizing something there, they received shouts about that the bomb shelters are still not working. and how is it that you said that you are conducting an operation to protect the donbass and that donetsk has not been bombed anywhere for 8 years, and as a result, on the contrary, more bombs are being bombed, that is, i think that this motive is greatly overestimated, because instead of mobilizing, it is the opposite if we hit some military bases on the territory of russia, it would cause demoralization. well, maybe i overestimate, viktor. i don't know what you think. you don't overestimate. it's very clear from the way they hide, actually, all the

guys really don't want to talk about it. it sounded like they are trying to do everything to explain that it is due to some natural causes as well as a stressor moscow or we again underestimate how vulnerable they are to any blows to their own, how expressive they are to a blow to the image of the power of the russian army to the russian federation itself and the situation when ukraine , which was supposed to fall there in two days, raises its paw , begins to fight back and not just fight back, but to strike directly at russian territory, it just shocks them, how are we? powerful russia and still others, where is our army, where is our future, where are our

powerful axes? point of view, it was necessary to identify it a little bit, because it is really good, beautiful and useful. and what is the matter, do we not have an agreement with our partners regarding the fact that the same chymarstins can be used on the territory of russia. if so, then it is bad, but it is then possible to use a different nomenclature on the territory of russia, starting with drones. it seems to me that it is already being used actively, and the same masses can be used for the same. i don’t know other than this country, except for ukraine, because let me. we still have about 10 minutes. let ’s go. let's try to predict the capabilities of our ukrainians and the course of hostilities in the future, because well, one way or another, now we are very dependent on supplies from western countries, well, that is, we are fighting with the weapons of western countries, depending on whether they

will want to continue to do it for how long they want to do it, but what can we do in turn , that is, how should we build, well, we have some opportunities of our own, how to develop them, where to develop them, and well, in general. well, what can be next , please, oleksandr e- in my opinion, the situation is as follows today, to talk about some possibilities of the ukrainian military-industrial complex, again, taking into account the fact that it has suffered quite seriously our factories, enterprises, they were primarily affected by the video of the strikes of the russian federation it is still too early to say what we are capable of in the future but i can say what our prospects were in the past before a full-scale invasion we have quite uh not bad little development specifically missile weapons missile directions i mean ballistic munitions i mean the project of the operational-tactical missile complex gron-2,

which could provide us with security. of course, we can see that we were able to achieve almost complete implementation against the ship-based missile complex e-e neptune e-e and r 360 missiles but - because we could not mass-produce all this and in sufficient quantity that we already had it at the beginning of an authorized invasion, sometimes there is even a year of analytics, if they were not treated like well, really touchy fools , but still they were in a hurry with the invasion of ukraine, precisely realizing that for another year, two more years there, it will not so much be in the pressure, but in ukraine there will be a sufficient number of precisely those weapons that will be able to sufficiently effectively destroy the russian troops at any distance, and therefore they and were in a hurry with this particular invasion. and if we don’t even talk

about missile weapons. if we turn to the other , then again, we have a fairly serious school of tank construction, modernization of tank weapons and the construction of bms and other things, that is, there are industries in which we were provided precisely with the production of our weapons of our equipment, but on the other hand, we had industries that we never used. that is, this is the strengthening of our entire entire armed forces. completely a-a we have never produced zero-cycle helicopters precisely in this zero cycle again i completely and therefore we would need this support and some other directions of high-tech and high-tech weapons and equipment and spare parts because i will remind you that exactly missiles such as the alder missile and p-360, for example, they

were quite effective and highly accurate, primarily due to the fact that they began to use western components in their composition, and that's why. this is such a combination of possibilities. was quite efficient and effective, but the war and only after the war can we say what we will be able to do, what we will be able to renew what kind of production. poland also has er. and for example, to do this in coordination with the same poland, how realistic is it, in the end, there is already an example when, not near the border with ukraine, another country is building a factory with uniforms specifically for the supply of the army of ukraine. also an option, by the way, now very much

a large amount of damaged equipment of the armed forces of ukraine is being repaired, namely at the enterprises of our neighbors, for example, in poland and bulgaria, and this is a fact - this is a known fact, therefore, in the future, i really do not rule out such symbioses of such a combined use of a- and the strength of our neighbors, and even more so, we have already seen to what extent which countries treat us as friendly partners, and which are really hostile, even within nato and the european union. i mean , first of all, hungary. i will not even it is somehow tolerant to keep silent about it. not at all. hungary is currently rather hostile to ukraine regarding the provision of aid. but regarding poland, romania, bulgaria, the czech republic and others. well, these are indeed countries that show support for ukraine, and

in the future, i am sure our company will be among we can cooperate quite seriously , and when the main thing is that there will be some kind of saturation of the front, well, with that technique, what is there rammstein 1 rammstein de arrest three and about all other stories because, for example, what is it about well, the american lend-lease will work, well, in fact, only in september. well, there are some nuances of financing , isn’t that right? has it already worked in full? well, viktor, what can you say about this, when should we expect some kind of saturation because, well, constantly these frames are somehow shifting, this is the impression of cutting off a dog’s tail piece by piece with nicholas, humanism, eh, we are currently being supplied with artificial specimens, firstly, to check how we

have it, and secondly, because in many cases, eh, this is the only thing they can not deliver now because in fact, in a number of directions, it is necessary to not uh, we are already opening a new production, it is not enough for us to just transfer something from what is in the remains, because there are no cases of the remains in the city, our war in general very uh clearly showed how much nato, especially european countries nada lags behind the russian federation precisely in the number of weapons, in terms of quality it is significantly superior and it is very cool to be proud of the fact that you also have useful players there, for example, but if the russians have very few of them, well, the 60s, but there are a lot of them a little bit to the ladies, and this is exactly what this conflict of ours exposed very vividly, that is why, uh, now we have been given uh, uh, cool things, but for a small amount, they are a sufficient amount, and also because, again, the rhetoric about not spoiling russia,

not hitting on the russian side was still relevant territories, etc., etc. well, it is still relevant, so in fact, in order for them not to be fully operational, it is necessary for production to be operational, so that we are no longer supplied with something left over , but what about something directly that has just been produced. and this requires major political decisions and the determination of which unfortunately, as of the beginning of this year, nato did not have or does it now is a very good question. i hope that it is clear . uh, the shells of western and all other countries somewhere disappeared in a little less than the first week of the war, but then we have a story about which, after all, we are transitioning to some very long story and uh, when it comes to what at least to at the end of the year, something

is going to break down or something it is becoming more and more, well, you know, it’s not even that, well, we hope that it will happen after all, but nevertheless, we must prepare for a long history, well, these were oleksandr kovalenko , a military-political observer of the information resistance, and viktor tregubov, a captain of the armed forces of ukraine our time is up for this. thank you, these were the chronicles of the war and we will meet in a week. and you are staying tv channels from the press, our many interesting things february 24, the date that changed us, the date that changed the world and now what interests us the most our victory, when we defeat the enemy, how to predict the course of the war, the saturday political club program returns to the espresso airwaves to help understand the events and predict the consequences that on saturdays vitaly portnikov and maria gurska will discuss the most relevant to draw appropriate

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the war on the espresso tv channel. today is thursday , june 30. if you watch us on the internet, please like comment like us more people will see the topic of today's issue is the conference in lugano on the restoration of ukraine after the war, but we will talk about it later , first three short news the ministry of infrastructure from july 1 increases tariffs for rail freight transportation by 70% immediately for all groups of cargo about it the minister of infrastructure oleksandr kubrakov said, the minister claims that even under the conditions of such an increase , ukrainian tariffs remain lower than in eu countries, and thanks to indexation, the financial situation ukrzaliznytsia will be stabilized, tariffs for passenger transportation during the war will not be increased, at the same time the ukrainian union of industrialists and entrepreneurs opposed a sharp increase in assembly rail transportation, the key consumers of services, exporters

, farmers and the mining and metallurgical complex have difficulties and suffer losses, this is what the message of this business organization says the metinvest group of companies has already announced the temporary suspension of production at the southern ingulets and northern mine enrichment plants the first two will suspend their work from july 1. and the northern one from mid-july, the founder of the virgin galactic company, billionaire richard branson, visited gostomel. he was interested in the antonov airfield and the possibilities of its restoration. record holder brynzan also spoke in the stolichny metro and called on foreign businessmen to invest in ukraine right now and ukrainian businessmen not to give up and abandon attempts to create a new business earlier

branson already expressed support for ukraine, in particular , he said that russia should feel the full force of economic and social isolation due to a full-scale invasion of ukraine well, yesterday ukraine signed a transport visa-free agreement with the countries of the european union. what does this mean? special permits for work in europe and this will speed up the export of ukrainian goods by road, also ukraine and the thais will recognize each other's driver's license for the term of the agreement is a year with the possibility of extension, the agreement itself has already entered into force since yesterday. this is important because, due to the sea blockade, the lion's share of ukrainian cargo is exported by rail and road transport, and now it will be easier to do .

i congratulate mr. igor on the political consultations. for some reason, i can't hear you, but i will ask a question. i hope that now we will fix this moment, a big program not only of reconstruction, but also of transformation the ukrainian economy will be presented by prime minister denys myhal at the ukraine recovery confession, forbes ukraine writes that this conference will be held on july 4-5 in the swiss city of luhansk, is it too early to talk about post-war recovery? said the scale, and this process will obviously involve a large number of our partners and the european union and the g7 and the g20 and international financial institutions , so the sooner we start working on it

the contours of this recovery process and the main thing is the coordination of our actions, the more effective we will start this process. and when it happens, i understand the benefits for ukraine, even if money begins to flow into ukraine during the war, it means that europe will be interested in preserving its investments or grant funds. but what about that in europe , why are they so bold that they are already considering investing money in ukraine, that is, they believe in our victory. i think that they definitely believe in our victory. i think that they demonstrate real sanitation with ukraine well, i think that there is also a third factor, er, it is that everyone perfectly understands, on the one hand, military aid is a tool for ensuring our heat, which will not eventually win the war, but on the other hand, everyone perfectly understands that without the restoration of the economy, without some such

initial, i would say, and aimed at e-e activation of economic activity, it is very difficult to count on victory in the war and on the future relationship of lugano, switzerland, why did they choose this one perhaps you know the country and this city. unfortunately , i have never been there. i would like to visit. but why not lviv, for example, or not warsaw, not brussels, not new york, namely switzerland, lugano? years, they are usually bought in different countries and it seems to me that it is also a symbolic honor that the return to these or other countries and dedicated in the country speaks of the swashbucklers of some international international and to mention an example of, let's say, this kind of competition, the truth of the non-conference related to the restoration, but the one-sided

conference of the donors of ukraine took place from the formant, the deaths took place in many other countries, so i think that the symbolism should be looked for right here in the demonstration of solidarity from ukraine. some representatives of various kinds of international organizations in luhansk lugan is more obvious than to buy it in ukraine and we also have to take into account that you insist on going to this conference without fail tell our viewers how everything happened er did your plans change and why er what role does your institute play in this process the plan changed i am very grateful to the organizers of the conference for inviting er to take part directly in this well i would say on average events, and as for

our participation, the experts of our institute actively participated in the preparation of the national recovery of the economic recovery of ukraine, which was launched and which mr. deny shmagal will present. what did you talk about? what did you talk about? previously, in addition to that, our steppe has taken part in various public initiatives related to the fact that we should really already discuss what we will do in the process of recovery and in general, what should be the economic policy today, taking into account the fact that uh, without an economy, without a strong rear it is very difficult to talk about military victories. who wrote this recovery program? which expert circles, ukrainian or state authorities, or is it possible that it was brought down from the mountain and simply written in a conditional washington regional committee like russian propaganda very often says about ukraine, this is not true if we remember such a very important document as the

communication of the european commission from may 18, it says that there is a reconstruction plan, and strategies in general, and in general what will be done directly, the context, the content, this is should be the exclusive property of ukraine, and there is already a reference to the fact that ukraine is developing a corresponding plan, and this plan must of course be in some way agreed with those who will finance it. nevertheless, it is one hundred percent property of ukraine with all relevant as a result , almost two dozen different groups worked in the framework of the preparation of this plan , representatives of business and various types of scientific institutions, state and non-state, were also involved. to say the architecture of the preparation of this plan and if what that document will consist of several thousand pages, there will be a lot of sections in

it well, i know that we have documents and programs they know how to write. everything can be implemented. this is precisely why the ukrainian force asks the question in its publication about this conference, and where will the decision-making center be, where will the center for the implementation of the plan be located at the bank and hrushevsky or, for example, in brussels, if we look at the agreements that have already been reached to date, in order to implement this plan, the so-called platform, e.e., the european-ukrainian platform, will be created, and in principle, within the framework of this platform, the relevant actions will be coordinated as it will be as it will be it is difficult to say whether this coordination will take place yet , but nevertheless the idea is that everything will be done together and in order to help ukraine, the european union will create a special financial instrument, which will be called the restoration of ukraine, which will be part of the budget of the european

union and if it is part of the budget of the european union, it is obvious that the rules and mobilization of funds for this instrument and its use will be set by the european union. this is the distribution of powers and functions known so far, just for today let's get down to the specifics, what kind of money are we talking about, after all, it's some, i don't know, billions of dollars, tens of billions, or maybe even hundreds of billions of dollars or euros, not rather euros, how much are we talking about europe in the first place and how long will this plan last to be implemented, it is clear that restoring the economy of ukraine after the war will not be possible in one year, the issue of amounts is not being discussed yet, and from the ukrainian side there are estimates that it should be hundreds of billions of dollars or euros, but once again i want to say so far there is no such figure that we can reach and i think that it is possible that after

the discussion in ukraine we will see certain prospects, again the war and the great level of uncertainty associated with russian aggression so far gives us the opportunity to assess our needs but at the same time let's also not forget the fact that obviously no matter what money they give us, that money will not be able to completely cover all our needs, that is, obviously we will have to do something ourselves and from our economic to add to one's economic activity, to contribute to the reconstruction well, moreover, moreover, i would like to add that i spoke with representatives of big business and asked if they would be at this conference. to which they told me that it was more about political decisions and not business, therefore, the issue of investments in ukraine, specifically for profit after the end of the war, it will be considered by the companies separately. i don't know if they will do it together or each company somehow differently, that is, this money is not the only money

indeed, there will also be private capitals that will enter ukraine, answering and continuing the answer to your previous question, if we carefully read the documents of the european union, there is such a cautious phrase that the reconstruction process will obviously last more than 10 years in ukraine, well, so far preliminary estimate regarding time well, i heard the minimum estimate from nataliya shapoval , vice-president of the kyiv school of economics, that at least it will last five years, if you simply count even the volumes that are necessary roads, for example, which will need to be restored , that is, only 5 years for this work. well, perhaps the last question for today is about the fact that this is a program not only of reconstruction, but also a program of the general transformation of ukraine, what does the transformation of the ukrainian economy mean, reconstruction, of

course, we destroyed the house built again and transformation e-e we are talking about issues related to the instrumentation of reforms we are talking about strengthening the state as an institution we are talking about what in the process of transformation we introduced corresponding technical standards and requirements in e-e in the process of our process of acquiring membership in the european union, i.e. to make the reconstruction and actual process of our material preparation for membership in the european union . economic research and political consultations, i advise everyone to look at the website forbes.ua today and read a large article called operation lugana, in a week the government will present the ukrainian marshall plan and there in particular it is noted that not only top officials and former top officials, in particular, former minister of finance

natalka yereska and former head of the center of the bank, valeriya gontareva, will also participate in the preparation of this plan for the restoration of ukraine. well, finally, the news is positive for ukraine, but not very happy for belarusians, belarus follows russia, may default on tuesday, official minsk made a payment for eurobonds belarus 2027 in belarusian rubles, according to the ministry of finance of this republic, the total amount was about 30 million us dollars in the equivalent of american citi bank has already announced that it has received payments, but did not clarify the details of their further distribution or whether they will not be returned. sanctions, but the payment of the foreign currency debt in the national currency will trigger

the default procedure after the end of the grace period, let me remind you that this union the international rating agency moody's has already confirmed the default russia due to the application of western sanctions on this today, this was all the news of the economy during the war. we work every weekday at eight in the morning with a repeat at 11 in the evening. presenter ostap yarysh ukrainian troops forced the russians to leave the snake island in the ministry of defense of russia called their retreat a

gesture of goodwill in the institute for the study of war in washington called it a significant gain for kyiv and a serious defeat for moscow, because russia needed the island to block one of the sea routes to odesa. meanwhile, nato ended in madrid, which many already called historic. on the last day of the meeting, the leaders of the united states and great britain announced the provision of new supplies of military aid to ukraine. the rest , let's talk with yuriy yarmolenko and bohdan tsyupin, who are joining us from the white house and are therefore in madrid, colleagues, welcome to you, bohdan, let's start with you first, let's figure out what is included in this a new aid package from britain and we also heard announcements about new trends from other european countries ostap i think that on the last day of the madrid nato summit it should be emphasized that it was not a summit of aid to ukraine, it was about the future of the organization itself, first of all it was about how